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(The Eagle Tribune)   HS volleyball captain and honor student demoted and suspended for five games, because she drove to a party to pick up a friend who was too drunk to drive   (eagletribune.com) divider line 112
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2013-10-15 01:39:30 PM

BumpInTheNight: Sounds innocent enough from that slant but it could easily have been...

Arrive fashionably late at party right as the cops show up?
"I was just here to pick up a friend!"

Meh, 1rst world problems.


Problem with that is she has a cop saying she wasn't there to party and was not in possession of any alcohol. She was there before the cops and wasn't drinking.
 
2013-10-15 02:48:24 PM

ucfknightryan: MycroftHolmes: There is the principle behind zero tolerance rules, and the application.  I will challenge you to do this, though.  Try to come up with an enforceable rule that has clearly defined boundaries that 1) punishes those that do wrong, but 2) does not punish those that did not do wrong.  It is hard to come up with a rule (or a law) that concurrently has no loopholes that is also not overly strict.

The way it worked when I was in school (back when dinosaurs walked the earth) was that the local principles had little discretion, but that a hearing with a senior administrator at the main office could reverse a zero tolerance rule.  But even then, I can see how that much discretion could easily be used to abuse.

Oh I agree it's hard, I just feel that erring on the side of punishing the innocent to make sure you get all of the guilty is not the correct way to construct rules.


That is also very debateable, in an educational context.  I think if you create a system of rules that is easily circumventable, kids will completely destroy any attempt to maintain order or discipline.  It is bad enough currently, even with zero tolerance.  You start softening the rules, chaos will ensue.
 
2013-10-15 02:59:07 PM

durbnpoisn: lack of warmth: durbnpoisn: This sucks for her.  That's obvious.  But there was an easy way around this, assuming that she was aware of the strict, zero tollerance policy.

All she had to do was have her friend walk down the street.  Away from the party.  Pick her up there.  The friend was coherant enough to call for a ride.  I'm sure she could walk a couple of hundred yards.

I am sure the alternative she is being told is to call an adult to pick up the friend, and let her friend face the consequences on her own.  This is the wiser choice, since no one could punish her anymore than just losing a friend who makes poor choices.  No, I don't think the punishment matches the crime, however she isn't clean in this.  As she did try to help her friend cover up a legal wrong.

/I know I don't sound fun, but I have managed to not get arrested.

Okay.  So clearly the friend didn't want her parents to find out.  And look at where that got her.
But you're correct on one thing...  The wisest choice of all would have been for the girl to go to her mother and say, "Can you please help me go pick up my friend?"

I know if the situation were to occur in my family, and it was my daughter who's friend needed help, my wife or I would pick up the friend without a 2nd thought.  And if the friend's parents got pissed about it, I would personally tell them to go fark themselves.


Did this a couple of times when mine were in High School.

Better a live kid in trouble with the parental units than going to a funeral.
 
2013-10-15 03:21:50 PM
No good deed goes unpunished.
 
2013-10-15 04:05:05 PM
When I was in high school oh so many years ago, MADD was just starting up. They had a chapter in our city. The thing I found odd was, you could call MADD for a ride home if you were at a party, but only if you weren't drinking.

Well, shiat, if I wasn't drinking, I wouldn't need a ride home, would I? And they seemed perfectly fine with letting the people who were drunk drive on home, thereby negating everything the purported to stand for.

I was too young and innocent to understand the concept of "we-just-want-to-fleece-the-sheep-and-get-money" advocacy.
 
2013-10-15 04:05:23 PM
There is a critical detail being left out here.  Was she at the party when it got busted, or did she pull up after the cops were already there.

Also, what is the exact wording of the schools policy?  I am having trouble with the idea that the police decided she was not drinking, but the school is punishing her for drinking (or being around drinking).
 
2013-10-15 04:37:43 PM
Jesus do we really need to waste space with these snowflake stories?  She had some stupid punishment for an extracurricular activity that will have zero affect on her life aside from "shucks ma that's not fair".

Whoever submitted this should be slightly less ashamed than thew person who greened it.
 
2013-10-15 05:55:18 PM

IRQ12: Jesus do we really need to waste space with these snowflake stories?  She had some stupid punishment for an extracurricular activity that will have zero affect on her life aside from "shucks ma that's not fair".

Whoever submitted this should be slightly less ashamed than thew person who greened isense


Do you have no sense of justice at all? It isn't about whether there would be lasting consequences for this girl, it's a matter of attempting to engender some respect for authority. Now, I personally have a healthy disrespect for authority, but you can't expect people to go through their formative years getting farked by the machine with nothing more than a "tough shiat, life ain't fair" attitude and not expect those people to grow up to hate those institutions for which they should have some modicum of respect.

It's like nobody cares whether laws and policies make sense and are about balance and order (arguably the definition of justice). It's more about mental midgets in power protecting their pocketbooks by hiding behind the shield of law or zero tolerance and yelling at others to get farked lest they decide to make things worse for the plebs.
 
2013-10-15 06:44:53 PM

GBB: Easy fix: have the entire volleyball team quit in protest.
Who wants to be on a team that's managed by idiots anyway?


This!
 
2013-10-15 07:18:41 PM

QueenMamaBee: Is that where Matthew Barnett, rapist, should be?


That was this girl's big mistake. She's on a sports team, instead of helping out a classmate, she should have raped them instead - then the whole farking town would have rallied round to cover up for her.

Just like they did for Matthew Barnett, rapist.
 
2013-10-15 10:03:05 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I have zero tolerance for these asinine policies that school administrators use to evade the need to take responsibility for their shiatty judgement.


I forget where I read it, but there was a story a while back about the Oregon school district that was the source of zero tolerance policies for school athletes. They fought, successfully, all the way to the Supreme Court for the right to test athletes and punish them harshly for the slightest hint of a violation.

Some time later, an elementary school teacher in that district was caught with drugs and the superintendent's response was "he's a good guy and he doesn't deserve to have his career ruined over a small mistake."

Farking hypocrites.
 
2013-10-16 07:24:37 AM

Texian: Okay, fine. I'll do it:

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Fark makes me sad.  A perfectly good Volleyball thread ruined with discussion of educational policy.
 
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