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(The Eagle Tribune)   HS volleyball captain and honor student demoted and suspended for five games, because she drove to a party to pick up a friend who was too drunk to drive   (eagletribune.com) divider line 112
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2013-10-15 12:08:45 AM
Yay for zero tolerance!
 
2013-10-15 12:12:55 AM
Best to learn how to deal with petty bureaucrats early.
 
2013-10-15 12:52:51 AM
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2013-10-15 01:04:01 AM
Due to their choice of attorney, which may or may not be their fault, I find it difficult to believe anything they are saying.

I am not saying they are lying. I am not saying the girl did anything wrong. I am very glad they have an attorney - I think more parents should sue zero tolerance policies, I am saying Wendy Murphy is a media whore and a known liar and her association with the family makes me more skeptical than I might otherwise be.

She makes Gloria Allred seem balanced.
 
2013-10-15 01:59:58 AM

RoyBatty: She makes Gloria Allred seem balanced.


So she's about 1/2 of a Jane Velez Mitchel and only 1/4 of a Nancy Grace?
 
2013-10-15 05:05:57 AM
So you're saying that women play volleyball?  I've never heard of such a concept, and am having difficulty visualizing it, so I think some photos would be helpful.
 
2013-10-15 05:07:38 AM

RoyBatty: Due to their choice of attorney, which may or may not be their fault, I find it difficult to believe anything they are saying.

I am not saying they are lying. I am not saying the girl did anything wrong. I am very glad they have an attorney - I think more parents should sue zero tolerance policies, I am saying Wendy Murphy is a media whore and a known liar and her association with the family makes me more skeptical than I might otherwise be.

She makes Gloria Allred seem balanced.


I'd agree, but (at least according to the article):
Police arrested several students for underage possession of alcohol, however, Cox was cleared by police for not drinking or in the possession of alcohol

That's good enough for me.
 
2013-10-15 05:15:14 AM
I have zero tolerance for these asinine policies that school administrators use to evade the need to take responsibility for their shiatty judgement.

And it's ridiculous that they'd have anything to say about it even if she *were* drinking, unless she were doing it on school grounds.

And I remember high school well enough to think "I was totally just here to pick someone up" sounds like bullshiat.
 
2013-10-15 05:15:26 AM
Back in my day, we had Safe Rides" where student volunteers would pick up students who had been drinking or whose designated driver had been drinking, and give them a ride home. Police weren't called, and no one got in trouble for using it.

This is total fail on the school. What a terrible lesson for the kids.
 
2013-10-15 05:22:00 AM
Two weeks ago, Cox received a call from a friend at a party who was too drink to drive.

better then being driven to drunk.
 
2013-10-15 05:27:14 AM
I enjoy being reminded of all the injustices I could have been spared  (or at least avenged), had the internet been around when I was a kid.
 
2013-10-15 05:29:54 AM
Was she raped?
 
GBB
2013-10-15 05:34:14 AM
Easy fix: have the entire volleyball team quit in protest.
Who wants to be on a team that's managed by idiots anyway?
 
2013-10-15 05:34:26 AM
she knew what she was getting into


maryville, missouri has a lovely courthouse, incidentally
 
2013-10-15 05:38:18 AM
Eh, volleyball's not a big recruiting thing for colleges, so in all fairness this only hurts the school in the long run -- they lose the cooperation and participation of one of their better students, her college applications look essentially completely identical.

She might as well just let it go, when you're dealing with primary and secondary-school administrators, you're not really dealing with the cream of the crop of civil servants and stupid sometimes happens, principals and superintendents are the people that didn't have the brains to make it in construction or the people skills to swing it at the DMV.
 
2013-10-15 05:43:06 AM
Sounds innocent enough from that slant but it could easily have been...

Arrive fashionably late at party right as the cops show up?
"I was just here to pick up a friend!"

Meh, 1rst world problems.
 
2013-10-15 05:46:49 AM
So when did schools become the new stupid?
 
2013-10-15 05:53:41 AM
True Leaders don't have liquored up friends.

What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
 
2013-10-15 05:57:48 AM

Betep: True Leaders don't have liquored up friends.

What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?


The perfect ending to a carnival cruise?
 
2013-10-15 06:00:06 AM
FTA: "the judge ruled the court did not have jurisdiction". See, schools are above the law just like they say they are.

/This is definitely going on her permanent record
 
2013-10-15 06:04:24 AM

BumpInTheNight: Sounds innocent enough from that slant but it could easily have been...

Arrive fashionably late at party right as the cops show up?
"I was just here to pick up a friend!"

Meh, 1rst world problems.


Pretty easy to disprove if you got asked for a ride by text message or something.

Though... that would involve getting her friend in trouble, so nuts to that, I'd still go with just living with the penalty and just refusing to help the school in the future.  Passive resistance is surprisingly effective if you're one of a school's top academic performers like they're claiming, they really want it to be seen that you love school 'n shiat.
 
2013-10-15 06:12:50 AM

bighairyguy: FTA: "the judge ruled the court did not have jurisdiction". See, schools are above the law just like they say they are.

/This is definitely going on her permanent record


Did she happen to mention that she's impressed?
 
2013-10-15 06:14:13 AM
Schools should not have rules that apply outside their property lines.  If something happens outside of school let the law deal with it.  There should be a collective of lawyers that do nothing but sue schools for retarded overreaching like this.  Unless its a private school that makes you sign a huge bs contract.  Public schools should be forced back into their box by running out of funds through lawsuits.
 
2013-10-15 06:27:41 AM
So is this the high school newspaper, or do they just have really, really bad writers (and editors)?
 
2013-10-15 06:30:40 AM
GBB:
Easy fix: have the entire volleyball team quit in protest.
Who wants to be on a team that's managed by idiots anyway?


Yeah, like their parents would let them.  "They demoted that little biatch from Captain?  It's finally your turn sweetie!  Let mommy make a few phone calls while you go practice your spike."
 
2013-10-15 06:34:53 AM

Betep: True Leaders don't have liquored up friends.

What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?


A good start....
 
2013-10-15 06:37:36 AM
"She might as well just let it go, when you're dealing with primary and secondary-school administrators, you're not really dealing with the cream of the crop of civil servants and stupid sometimes happens,  "

As opposed to the genius in the Whitehouse
 
2013-10-15 06:45:23 AM

jaayjones: "She might as well just let it go, when you're dealing with primary and secondary-school administrators, you're not really dealing with the cream of the crop of civil servants and stupid sometimes happens,  "

As opposed to the genius in the Whitehouse


The choads come out in the morning hours, I suppose...
 
2013-10-15 06:49:26 AM

cc_rider: Back in my day, we had Safe Rides" where student volunteers would pick up students who had been drinking or whose designated driver had been drinking, and give them a ride home. Police weren't called, and no one got in trouble for using it.

This is total fail on the school. What a terrible lesson for the kids.


I have never seen zero tolerance policies show any wholesome life lessons. Pretty much every case ends with the school board saying fark you to everyone.
 
2013-10-15 06:51:07 AM

Malky: Schools should not have rules that apply outside their property lines.  If something happens outside of school let the law deal with it.  There should be a collective of lawyers that do nothing but sue schools for retarded overreaching like this.  Unless its a private school that makes you sign a huge bs contract.  Public schools should be forced back into their box by running out of funds through lawsuits.


Yeah lets ruin the finances of thousands of districts and their staff and destroy the education of hundreds of thousands or even millions of students.  Even better are the property owners who now pay property taxes to support thousands of lawyers instead of their local community.

The solution is obviously laws that limit the schools jurisdiction (and legal liability) to things directly on the school property or events which are school sanctioned/sponsored events.   Of course, good luck getting THAT set of laws passed.

Barring those laws the schools respond this way because time and time again they HAVE been sued when a student gets injured or killed outside of school control and the argument is made that they  shouldhave known a huge party was going on that weekend because the kids were talking about it and  shouldhave taken steps to prevent the injury/event.

I have no doubt that there are busybodies who think they should get to control every single minute of their students lives, but the school administrators I have known have actually been VERY reasonable people who (always on legal advice) have to make these contracts/rules/enforcement guidelines to limit the legal exposure of the school in the event of a lawsuit.  Being dragged in to court and having the opposing lawyer ask what policies you have in effect to limit student risk and saying "They're outside of our control in situation blah blah blah" will get the school found at least partially liable - and in a multi-million dollar lawsuit being found even 10% liable borks the finances of those schools real good - there's no magic pot of money, or reduced profit forecast they can turn to - it comes right out of salaries and programs.
 
2013-10-15 06:57:18 AM
I wonder if any of the parents of the kids that were caught drinking are going to sue the school for allowing minors to drink?

If the school is saying they have to punish someone for something done after hours, off of school property, are they not admitting culpability?
 
2013-10-15 07:00:18 AM
FTA: "She's very fragile and I'm worried about her. Very worried about her. She didn't do anything wrong," Erin's mother, Eleanor Cox, told WBZ-TV on Sunday. "She did what she thought was right, and I'm very proud of her."

If she's that fragile as a HS Senior, maybe it's time to teach her that you don't always get rewarded for doing the right thing. Suing the school isn't going to help her toughen up.
 
2013-10-15 07:15:39 AM
fark being responsible and looking out for your friend, preventing a fatality. You selfish asshole.

Really? Really? Really?

/really.

//pacefalm
 
2013-10-15 07:18:11 AM
Reminds me of the fark story where some kids had a party and posted pics online and the school suspended the kids that had solo cups in their hands because they could have held alcohol. As long as she had no alcohol in her system I have zero problem with her being at a party. My brother and his friends used to use me as DD all the time. Jerks.
 
2013-10-15 07:21:01 AM

Fizpez: Malky: Schools should not have rules that apply outside their property lines.  If something happens outside of school let the law deal with it.  There should be a collective of lawyers that do nothing but sue schools for retarded overreaching like this.  Unless its a private school that makes you sign a huge bs contract.  Public schools should be forced back into their box by running out of funds through lawsuits.

Yeah lets ruin the finances of thousands of districts and their staff and destroy the education of hundreds of thousands or even millions of students.  Even better are the property owners who now pay property taxes to support thousands of lawyers instead of their local community.


So your theory is that as between declining to overreach in this way, and insisting on it even at the cost of "destroy[ing] the education of...millions of students," these districts and their staff would insist on overreaching? That may be true of administration martinets, but I'd bet the parents and taxpayers would begin to object at some point prior to that.
 
2013-10-15 07:24:49 AM
I side with the school.  Just because she hadn't started drinking yet, there is only one reason to go to a party with alcohol.  Clearly, any student who is found at or near a place where alcohol can be served should be punished.  It is the only way to be sure.
 
2013-10-15 07:26:51 AM

Harv72b: So is this the high school newspaper, or do they just have really, really bad writers (and editors)?


Sadly, the latter. This section of MA isn't the greatest, intellectually. There are a lot of cities in the area with lower-income and/or welfare-riding families who think it's more important to have their gaggle of children watch Honey Boo Boo than work on homework.
 
2013-10-15 07:30:15 AM
Where are the farking volleyball pictures?!?!?
 
2013-10-15 07:33:17 AM

jaayjones: "She might as well just let it go, when you're dealing with primary and secondary-school administrators, you're not really dealing with the cream of the crop of civil servants and stupid sometimes happens,  "

As opposed to the genius in the Whitehouse


Is... is that even a troll, or is it just some kind of joke I'm missing?

Maybe a "thanks Obama" joke implying he personally selects the head of high school sports teams or something?
 
2013-10-15 07:33:49 AM
GBB:
Easy fix: have the entire volleyball team quit in protest.
Who wants to be on a team that's managed by idiots anyway?


The movie-like fantasy thing would be to explain to every student athlete how this policy concerns all of them and then have everybody including the football team - or whatever people there care about most - quit with a press release that they feel like they can't play for their school as long as the school and $namesOfWhoeverMadeThatDecision enforce a policy that actively promotes students driving drunk.


----

Otherwise I hope that every time a kid has a fender-bender with more than 0.0 BAC, they'll say how they couldn't (or just didn't try to) find a friend to drive them because all their friends are to afraid to be punished by the school, given the precedent. Then hope that there are enough ambulance chasers in the area willing to go after the school for damages.
 
2013-10-15 07:34:57 AM
Well, I'm sure this has already generated more negative press than the school ever anticipated, and it's about to get worse.

They just teased this story on Good Morning America.

It looks like they had original footage of her, so they probably interviewed her on camera.
 
2013-10-15 07:42:30 AM
Many states have laws regarding minors driving after a certain curfew, or driving unsupervised with other minors in the car. It is possible that the school is objecting to that, and the Judge Judy wannabe is just glossing over it and holding up the "but she didn't drink" as a distraction.
 
2013-10-15 07:43:11 AM

fusillade762: Yay for zero tolerance!


ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE
 
2013-10-15 07:45:58 AM

bighairyguy: FTA: "the judge ruled the court did not have jurisdiction". See, schools are above the law just like they say they are.

/This is definitely going on her permanent record


It's not so much "above the law" as "the court is underfunded and has murderers and thieves and arsonists to deal with, and does NOT want to hear your petty bullshiat today.  Next case!"

/Mass. lawyer
 
2013-10-15 07:46:33 AM

Betep: True Leaders don't have liquored up friends.

What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?


Less competition.
 
2013-10-15 07:47:43 AM
I don't understand how not being drunk/on drugs and not being in possession of drugs/alcohol violates the "don't drink/do drugs" policy.
 
2013-10-15 07:48:35 AM

undernova: jaayjones: "She might as well just let it go, when you're dealing with primary and secondary-school administrators, you're not really dealing with the cream of the crop of civil servants and stupid sometimes happens,  "

As opposed to the genius in the Whitehouse

The choads come out in the morning hours, I suppose...


Well, you've got to get up early to run the government, even if most of it is shut down.
 
2013-10-15 07:50:04 AM

Nogale: I don't understand how not being drunk/on drugs and not being in possession of drugs/alcohol violates the "don't drink/do drugs" policy.


I bet it's because of a Zero Tolerance Policy that states something to the effect of simply being at a party where drugs/alcohol is being consumed is against the rules. Even if you showed up after the cops and were cleared by them. Being present = Guilty.
 
2013-10-15 07:50:20 AM
School districts love zero tolerance because it relieves the administrators of having to exercise any sort of judgement, and of subsequently being held accountable for their decisions. They can just point to the policy and say, "We had no choice, we had to follow the policy."

It's not just asinine, it's cowardly.
 
2013-10-15 08:06:59 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Fizpez: Malky: Schools should not have rules that apply outside their property lines.  If something happens outside of school let the law deal with it.  There should be a collective of lawyers that do nothing but sue schools for retarded overreaching like this.  Unless its a private school that makes you sign a huge bs contract.  Public schools should be forced back into their box by running out of funds through lawsuits.

Yeah lets ruin the finances of thousands of districts and their staff and destroy the education of hundreds of thousands or even millions of students.  Even better are the property owners who now pay property taxes to support thousands of lawyers instead of their local community.

So your theory is that as between declining to overreach in this way, and insisting on it even at the cost of "destroy[ing] the education of...millions of students," these districts and their staff would insist on overreaching? That may be true of administration martinets, but I'd bet the parents and taxpayers would begin to object at some point prior to that.


Read my post again - the policies are generally not an attempt to "overreach" - the lawyers basically write the policies - the "zero thinking = zero tolerance" is pretty much correct except the zero thinking is specifically designed that way.  The reason being if there is no lattitude then there can be no discrimination - and nothing will get you sued faster than either a) "violating" someone's civil rights or b) violating their IEP/504 plan.

Look, I 100% agree it's stupid and it sucks but the schools are in full "turtle mode" when it comes to legal challenges - they want to be able to say "We have done EVERYTHING we could, please go away"  We get pissed when a situation which obviously calls for a little tact and thought makes the press but day in and day out its these idiotic policies that limit how much they get sued.
 
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