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(CNN)   Days since last Carnival Cruse line public relations nightmare set back to 0   (cnn.com) divider line 36
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2013-10-15 12:26:32 AM  
15 votes:
"It was a lot of chaos, people were going crazy, people were praying, they had their hands to the sky. It was a scary scene, seeing a little boy just lifeless,"

You could have done CPR or grabbed one of the automatic defib units instead of praying to your sky wizard...the scary scene is is they put their hands to the sky and prayed instead of doing SOMETHING.
2013-10-15 12:52:16 AM  
9 votes:
"There were a lot of adults, but why wasn't anyone watching the kids?" asked Christian, who was traveling with his family. "You'd think Carnival would have lifeguards around the pool."


Sad the kid didn't have parents that loved it enough to watch it. Let's blame a boat company.
2013-10-15 12:51:26 AM  
8 votes:
"There were a lot of adults, but why wasn't anyone watching the kids?" asked Christian, who was traveling with his family. "You'd think Carnival would have lifeguards around the pool."

No, and most resort pools don't either.  I'll bet there is a big sign there saying that kids under a certain age can't be in the pool without adult supervision as well.  So the big question is where the fark were the parents.  Getting drunk?
2013-10-15 12:50:37 AM  
5 votes:

optikeye: "It was a lot of chaos, people were going crazy, people were praying, they had their hands to the sky. It was a scary scene, seeing a little boy just lifeless,"

You could have done CPR or grabbed one of the automatic defib units instead of praying to your sky wizard...the scary scene is is they put their hands to the sky and prayed instead of doing SOMETHING.


You're not kidding. I'm filled with apprehension for the future of the human race when we still behave like this. People, FFS, get a clue.
2013-10-15 01:26:08 AM  
4 votes:

Enigmamf: optikeye: You could have done CPR or grabbed one of the automatic defib units instead of praying to your sky wizard...the scary scene is is they put their hands to the sky and prayed instead of doing SOMETHING.

For most people, doing nothing is more effective than doing whatever misguided thought might pop into their heads.


Ok people, that's enough concern trolling...  Have you never heard of too many cooks in the kitchen?  Once the first 2 or 3 people begin working on the kid, there is really not much for anyone else to do except pray...   What do you want?  A mob to form and slowly crush the rescue scene under their misguided attempt to occupy the same space at the same time for the same reason?
2013-10-15 01:04:54 AM  
4 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: optikeye: "It was a lot of chaos, people were going crazy, people were praying, they had their hands to the sky. It was a scary scene, seeing a little boy just lifeless,"

You could have done CPR or grabbed one of the automatic defib units instead of praying to your sky wizard...the scary scene is is they put their hands to the sky and prayed instead of doing SOMETHING.

You're not kidding. I'm filled with apprehension for the future of the human race when we still behave like this. People, FFS, get a clue.


Other than getting in the way, I'm not sure how an entire crowd of untrained people could have 'helped'.  Also, the auto defib is only effective if the heart is in v-fib or v-tach.  It sounded like a few people attempted to save the kid's life and unfortunately, they failed to do so.  All the rest of the people in the crowd were just experiencing the anguish of watching a child die and being powerless to stop it.  Maybe a little slack is in order?
2013-10-15 01:48:40 AM  
3 votes:

optikeye: "It was a lot of chaos, people were going crazy, people were praying, they had their hands to the sky. It was a scary scene, seeing a little boy just lifeless,"

You could have done CPR or grabbed one of the automatic defib units instead of praying to your sky wizard...the scary scene is is they put their hands to the sky and prayed instead of doing SOMETHING.


I saw this video once where some kid was missing on a beach.  The mother (I assume) was pacing back and forth in a really marvelous show of wailing and waving her arms around and screaming shiat like oh help god help why won't anyone help.  Devoid of context it could have been a ridiculous parody of a distraught mother.  In the background you could clearly see most of the men around (it was pretty crowded) organizing a search.  They kept trying to get a description of the kid but the idiot woman just wouldn't calm down.  Long story short, the kid was found, and the woman fell all over herself thanking Jesus instead of the guys kept their heads.  I wanted to punch her in the face for her complete and utter uselessness.
2013-10-15 01:10:53 AM  
3 votes:
Drowning on a ship while in the middle of the ocean.  That's some irony there man.
2013-10-15 12:53:55 AM  
3 votes:

optikeye: You could have done CPR or grabbed one of the automatic defib units instead of praying to your sky wizard...the scary scene is is they put their hands to the sky and prayed instead of doing SOMETHING.


For most people, doing nothing is more effective than doing whatever misguided thought might pop into their heads.
2013-10-15 01:36:53 AM  
2 votes:
It sounds like diffusion of responsibility and poor training by staff.

On every boat I've ever captained (nothing as big as a cruise ship, but 100'+ with many passengers) all of the crew is required to qualify in STCW, which is basically first aid, CPR etc.

You don't just yell, "Somebody do something!" because nobody will. I was trained to point at individual crew members (or passengers if necessary) and say, "You, get to the radio and call the Coast Guard for a possible medivac." "You, keep these people back and calm."  "You, help with chest compressions!" etc.

They probably don't train poolside DJs in that manner. Then again, I would never set foot on a cruise ship.
2013-10-15 01:18:15 AM  
2 votes:
Is this the point where Carnival Cruises becomes known as Carnage Cruises?
2013-10-15 01:03:32 AM  
2 votes:
That's the great thing about international waters, the man can't tell you you need to have trifling things like lifeguards. Also, betting on monkey knife fights is perfectly kosher.
2013-10-15 12:53:03 AM  
2 votes:

Fart_Machine: "There were a lot of adults, but why wasn't anyone watching the kids?" asked Christian, who was traveling with his family. "You'd think Carnival would have lifeguards around the pool."

No, and most resort pools don't either.  I'll bet there is a big sign there saying that kids under a certain age can't be in the pool without adult supervision as well.  So the big question is where the fark were the parents.  Getting drunk?


That's something TFA left, didn't say a damn thing about the parents. Thanks, CNN!
2013-10-15 01:17:54 PM  
1 votes:

nyrB: Literally Addicted: optikeye: A short drowning situation where a DJ saw a kid in distress, and automatic defibs should have been survivable for a young child.

You think using a defibrillator on someone just pulled out of a pool is a good idea?  Think this through.

Someone's been watching too many tv shows  ;)


Nope.  Somebody was a combat medic.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17945819

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12879378
2013-10-15 11:49:21 AM  
1 votes:

nyrB: Literally Addicted: optikeye: A short drowning situation where a DJ saw a kid in distress, and automatic defibs should have been survivable for a young child.

You think using a defibrillator on someone just pulled out of a pool is a good idea?  Think this through.

Someone's been watching too many tv shows  ;)


No...someone has taken a CPR course.

citation
2013-10-15 11:36:11 AM  
1 votes:

optikeye: A short drowning situation where a DJ saw a kid in distress, and automatic defibs should have been survivable for a young child.


You think using a defibrillator on someone just pulled out of a pool is a good idea?  Think this through.
2013-10-15 10:34:58 AM  
1 votes:

optikeye: "It was a lot of chaos, people were going crazy, people were praying, they had their hands to the sky. It was a scary scene, seeing a little boy just lifeless,"

You could have done CPR or grabbed one of the automatic defib units instead of praying to your sky wizard...the scary scene is is they put their hands to the sky and prayed instead of doing SOMETHING.


Just had to get that in huh??? Reading how does it work? It states people were working on the child. as "others" were praying.
But you're right maybe the others should have pushed their way into the crowed to take their turn on the kid, maybe jumped on his chest shoving the others out of the way or flipping a few tables over would have helped.
2013-10-15 09:37:12 AM  
1 votes:
The idiots talking about how a defib could have saved the day know absofarkinglutely nothing about defibs except what you see on the television.
2013-10-15 09:00:25 AM  
1 votes:
Goes on cruises all the time, the thing that makes them miserable is parents that think everyone else is responsible for their kids.

Sorry their kid died, but they should have been less worried about having their cocktails, and more worried about watching their kids.

Oh.. and defibrillator, on a wet kid.. not sure that's the best idea either... I can see the news article about the people that were all huddled around the kid standing in the pool of water when the defibrillator was used..
2013-10-15 08:44:01 AM  
1 votes:

Prof. Frink: SpdrJay: Kygz: The parents were also in the pool.

And the pool contained potassium benzoate.....

That's bad.


They should get a brain sample.
2013-10-15 08:00:14 AM  
1 votes:

Dr. Manhattan: That's the great thing about international waters, the man can't tell you you need to have trifling things like lifeguards. Also, betting on monkey knife fights is perfectly kosher.


Have you ever once been to a hotel in the middle of the United States that had a lifeguard?  Outside of those designated as water parks, I haven't.  What's wrong with that those trifling old-fashioned ideas like "parental responsibility?"  Maybe Carnival should also provide staff to be on the buffet line watching out for fatties who may need the Heimlich.  Actually, they should probably just stay docked so as to ensure nobody falls over and bruises themselves in heavy seas.
2013-10-15 07:59:01 AM  
1 votes:

miniflea: optikeye: "It was a lot of chaos, people were going crazy, people were praying, they had their hands to the sky. It was a scary scene, seeing a little boy just lifeless,"

You could have done CPR or grabbed one of the automatic defib units instead of praying to your sky wizard...the scary scene is is they put their hands to the sky and prayed instead of doing SOMETHING.

I saw this video once where some kid was missing on a beach.  The mother (I assume) was pacing back and forth in a really marvelous show of wailing and waving her arms around and screaming shiat like oh help god help why won't anyone help.  Devoid of context it could have been a ridiculous parody of a distraught mother.  In the background you could clearly see most of the men around (it was pretty crowded) organizing a search.  They kept trying to get a description of the kid but the idiot woman just wouldn't calm down.  Long story short, the kid was found, and the woman fell all over herself thanking Jesus instead of the guys kept their heads.  I wanted to punch her in the face for her complete and utter uselessness.


Over Labor Day weekend, I went with my family (including three children under the age of five) to a small amusement park. I briefly stepped away to get myself something to eat and drink. While I was eating, a scene similar to what you described unfolded: mom loses her kid and is too busy freaking out to give an accurate description. The kid was eventually found because someone noticed an unattended child crying next to a tree.

Maybe it's because I grew up in a household of first responders (police and medical), but it's much better for all involved to stay calm and focused during the incident. If you have any kind of emergency training, focus on that. If you don't, remain calm and alert and out of the way. The time to fall apart is after the incident has been resolved.
GBB
2013-10-15 05:53:35 AM  
1 votes:

starlost: ijason
1. They are abso-farking-lutely jam-packed full of nasty, snotty, unruley children. They swarm like locusts around the rope to the deep end, and cluster like little screaming demons right where the slide injects you into the pool at 50 mph. Just BEGGING to be clobbered by anyone using the slide

the cruise ships are getting bigger and adding more and more pools and jazuzzis to address this problem. adult only areas are getting very popular.some new ships have private areas for the most expensive cabin classes.

2. There is not an ounce of adult supervision for any of the little cretins.
signs indicating this are posted around every pool.

cruise during the school year if you want to avoid kids practically on any line that isn't carnival, norwegian, royal carribean, or disney. book a line and cabin class with concierge and butler service if you want to avoid the masses. my elderly parents with mobility issues just hang out on their private balcony while taking scenic cruises like the panama canal and alaska. the butler serves them their meals in their room and gets them anything they want on the ship. the concierge makes sure their shore excursions go as smoothly as possible. ie... no waiting in line ever. haters gonna hate. either its too many kids or too many drunks and stupid first timers who think they own the ship or too many old people.


I have been on 6 Disney cruises. We have never had issues with kids being kids.  Why?  Because they have their own deck, own play places on other decks, and their own pool.  Also, I prefer the smaller ships to the newer, larger ones.  The new ships have about the same sized amenities for roughly twice as many passengers.
2013-10-15 03:39:28 AM  
1 votes:
ijason
1. They are abso-farking-lutely jam-packed full of nasty, snotty, unruley children. They swarm like locusts around the rope to the deep end, and cluster like little screaming demons right where the slide injects you into the pool at 50 mph. Just BEGGING to be clobbered by anyone using the slide

the cruise ships are getting bigger and adding more and more pools and jazuzzis to address this problem. adult only areas are getting very popular.some new ships have private areas for the most expensive cabin classes.

2. There is not an ounce of adult supervision for any of the little cretins.
signs indicating this are posted around every pool.

cruise during the school year if you want to avoid kids practically on any line that isn't carnival, norwegian, royal carribean, or disney. book a line and cabin class with concierge and butler service if you want to avoid the masses. my elderly parents with mobility issues just hang out on their private balcony while taking scenic cruises like the panama canal and alaska. the butler serves them their meals in their room and gets them anything they want on the ship. the concierge makes sure their shore excursions go as smoothly as possible. ie... no waiting in line ever. haters gonna hate. either its too many kids or too many drunks and stupid first timers who think they own the ship or too many old people.
2013-10-15 03:16:10 AM  
1 votes:

Dr. Manhattan: That's the great thing about international waters, the man can't tell you you need to have trifling things like lifeguards. Also, betting on monkey knife fights is perfectly kosher.


because every hotel pool in the US has a lifeguard
2013-10-15 02:56:06 AM  
1 votes:

Big Ramifications: powhound:

Not only was TFA so light on facts that I was never gonna trust it anyway.... it had a bet each way.

Initially it said he was spotted by passengers, underwater. This was stated as a fact.

Then straight after TFA quoted a witness saying the boy was discovered by the DJ, struggling.

Farking hopeless.
~

~
I should clarify that in drowning / near-drowning terminology,  struggling always means splashing about on the surface.
2013-10-15 02:41:45 AM  
1 votes:
Well, I certainly am glad they all prayed and saved the little boy... because without all that praying and bragging about all that praying, he would have surely died.

As for Carnival... really not seeing how it was in any way their fault; posted and known to not have lifeguards on duty.. posted no unsupervised crotchfruit under 13 and the parents just toss a 6yr old in there for a 10yr old to take care of... or not.  Way to go maaa!!!!

/prolly got another in the oven after the vacation anyhow... be easier to afford now
2013-10-15 02:01:50 AM  
1 votes:
ummm....just to add to that post above, my daughter was fine. I grabbed her right after she went under and hauled her back up.
2013-10-15 01:59:40 AM  
1 votes:
I don't know what went down, but here are two not so cool stories:

1) My sister (age maybe 4) had a drowning accident at a busy public pool, with lifeguards. She was under about 5-7 minutes before we noticed, somebody pulled her out and did mouth-to-mouth. She was in the hospital for about a week, and came out mostly okay. I would think the primary blame would be my parents. Mom was probably sunbathing and my asshole of a dad was probably chasing bikinis.

2) My own daughter went under in a jacuzzi while I was sitting right next to her. Here is the scary thing about water, if you have never actually witnessed a drowning. They can happen without a sound or a splash. One minute she was sitting there, the next she was gone. You wouldn't notice it if you didn't have your eyes on them.

If you have kids, DO NOT leave them unattended in water, not even for a minute.

/I don't really believe it went down on that cruise ship the way they said in tfa.
//There is no way that kid drowned if he was still alive and kicking on the surface when he was noticed. If he went under he wouldn't have been under for more than 10 or 20 seconds in that case.
///Either he had already been under for more than several minutes, or somebody killed him while trying to clear his lungs.
2013-10-15 01:41:18 AM  
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: I have never wanted to go on a cruise and I don't understand why anyone would want to.


Because it's actually a nice way to travel.

We sailed from NYC to Southampton on the QE2 and it was awesome. 5 days of great food, entertainment, and the neat experience of sailing across an ocean, like people did 100 years ago.

I imagine it'd be a great way to go around tropical islands, too - as long as you get to explore on your own rather than being stuck with a mob of other tourists on a bus. I'm more skeptical of Carnival cruises than proper ocean liner journeys, but I'm sure there are some very worthwhile ones.
2013-10-15 01:29:57 AM  
1 votes:

optikeye: tetsoushima: . It sounded like a few people attempted to save the kid's life and unfortunately, they failed to do so. All the rest of the people in the crowd were just experiencing the anguish of watching a child die and being powerless to stop it. Maybe a little slack is in order?

If you read the article carefully, you'll see the kid was spoted in distress. By a DJ no less.

Christian said a DJ discovered the boy struggling in the water and immediately stopped the music. A guest then jumped into the pool with his clothes on and pulled the boy out, followed by a crew member who unsuccessfully tried to revive the boy, Christian said. The boy was pronounced dead shortly after.

The kid was alive at that point. Struggling in the water. The DJ Spotted the boy. The rest of the crowd expected 'someone else to help" and none happened...it was guest that pulled kid out. The DJ booth at these pools are not really that close..the DJ could have said something--I don't know.

The KID was alive when the DJ stopped the music and alerted the crowd. Then the crowd started praying. Except the one guest that jumped to get the body.  The article doesn't mention automatic defib units which should be available in pool areas and have all the staff trained on their availability and locations.

A short drowning situation where a DJ saw a kid in distress, and automatic defibs should have been survivable for a young child.


You must be trolling.   You really think that upon being alerted to a drowning in progress, an entire group of people stopped what they where doing and started praying, while 1 person did all the work?  This is how this works out in your mind?
2013-10-15 01:26:51 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-10-15 01:17:49 AM  
1 votes:

Enigmamf: optikeye: You could have done CPR or grabbed one of the automatic defib units instead of praying to your sky wizard...the scary scene is is they put their hands to the sky and prayed instead of doing SOMETHING.

For most people, doing nothing is more effective than doing whatever misguided thought might pop into their heads.


At least people praying aren't screaming or getting in my way. Seriously, does yelling AAAAAAAAA actually help? Shut the fark up and let me think.

Also, you can't blame this one on the cruise line. "No Lifeguard" means "Out of arm's reach is in death's grip".
2013-10-15 01:17:47 AM  
1 votes:

tetsoushima: . It sounded like a few people attempted to save the kid's life and unfortunately, they failed to do so. All the rest of the people in the crowd were just experiencing the anguish of watching a child die and being powerless to stop it. Maybe a little slack is in order?


If you read the article carefully, you'll see the kid was spoted in distress. By a DJ no less.

Christian said a DJ discovered the boy struggling in the water and immediately stopped the music. A guest then jumped into the pool with his clothes on and pulled the boy out, followed by a crew member who unsuccessfully tried to revive the boy, Christian said. The boy was pronounced dead shortly after.

The kid was alive at that point. Struggling in the water. The DJ Spotted the boy. The rest of the crowd expected 'someone else to help" and none happened...it was guest that pulled kid out. The DJ booth at these pools are not really that close..the DJ could have said something--I don't know.

The KID was alive when the DJ stopped the music and alerted the crowd. Then the crowd started praying. Except the one guest that jumped to get the body.  The article doesn't mention automatic defib units which should be available in pool areas and have all the staff trained on their availability and locations.

A short drowning situation where a DJ saw a kid in distress, and automatic defibs should have been survivable for a young child.
2013-10-15 01:09:09 AM  
1 votes:

Kygz: The parents were also in the pool.


And the pool contained potassium benzoate.....
2013-10-15 12:59:42 AM  
1 votes:
I have never wanted to go on a cruise and I don't understand why anyone would want to.
 
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