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2013-10-14 11:20:04 PM

Southern100: Millions of immigrants are more than happy to swear allegiance to this country when they get their citizenship, and are willing to do almost whatever it takes to get the privilege to make that oath. Yet we have people BORN in this country who are willing to do almost whatever it takes to not only get out of the oath, but to prevent others from saying it even when they want to.

I shouldn't be surprised. I always am, but I shouldn't be.


You sound positively concerned.
 
2013-10-14 11:20:30 PM
I remember in high school there was a kid who would literally yell "UNDER GOD" every time we had to recite the pledge.

Not only that, he was a sexist pig. So you can imagine that he and I got along really well.

/he was a d-bag
 
2013-10-14 11:23:16 PM
Oh good. One of those delightful "both sides are wrong" scenarios.

A principal makes a dumb, pointless decision for no reason, matched in stupidity by all the flag-waving outrage-whores who take the time to give a shiat about something so utterly meaningless.
 
2013-10-14 11:23:23 PM
4 legs bad.

We're hopeless

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2013-10-14 11:23:30 PM

Southern100: brandent: Southern100: Millions of immigrants are more than happy to swear allegiance to this country when they get their citizenship, and are willing to do almost whatever it takes to get the privilege to make that oath. Yet we have people BORN in this country who are willing to do almost whatever it takes to not only get out of the oath, but to prevent others from saying it even when they want to.

I shouldn't be surprised. I always am, but I shouldn't be.

No you are factually incorrect.  The flag oath is unconstitutional and un-Christian.  It states loyalty to an object not a country, constitution, or set of ideals.  It's straight up idol worship.  Please try to understand the difference between an oath such as oath to join the military to support and defend the constitution vs an oath to an inanimate object.

The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of loyalty to the federal flag and the republic of the United States of America.

That's where the "and to the Republic for which it stands" comes into play.


So it's very simple.  Remove the words "to the flag" and we're cool.

I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.  (optional under God).
 
2013-10-14 11:24:53 PM

Ricardo Klement: grumpfuff: Ricardo Klement: generallyso: Why do we force children to make daily pledges of fealty they don't understand? It's creepy and disturbing like something out of a communist dictatorship except I've never heard of one doing that.

Loyalty oaths were usually requested whenever you did something of even minor importance in communist dictatorships.

I like how you take a question about America, take it and run with it, and end up with an attack on communism, which no one was really talking about.

Soo..does that mean McCarthy was a communist? He wanted loyalty pledges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalty_oath


Hey look, I can bold stuff too!

You didn't ask me a question for me to dodge though.
 
2013-10-14 11:27:49 PM

Southern100: Millions of immigrants are more than happy to swear allegiance to this country when they get their citizenship, and are willing to do almost whatever it takes to get the privilege to make that oath. Yet we have people BORN in this country who are willing to do almost whatever it takes to not only get out of the oath, but to prevent others from saying it even when they want to.

I shouldn't be surprised. I always am, but I shouldn't be.


cryingchild.jpeg

/no, you aren't worth the ten seconds it would have taken to google that
 
2013-10-14 11:32:13 PM
If I have an unwanted boner that I want to lose, I will mentally recite the Pledge of Allegiance. It usually goes away by the end of the pledge.
 
2013-10-14 11:34:42 PM
Hey Podmore, teach was "trying to get the students to talk about government".What a bunch of bull caca on both of them sup and teach.  They don't have any place in the education system, the students are smarter than they are!!!
 
2013-10-14 11:36:16 PM

flup: Oh good. One of those delightful "both sides are wrong" scenarios.

A principal makes a dumb, pointless decision for no reason, matched in stupidity by all the flag-waving outrage-whores who take the time to give a shiat about something so utterly meaningless.


I suspect they're both on the same side.
 
2013-10-14 11:37:38 PM
The Pledge is a loyalty oath, and the purpose of those is to weed out the disloyal. It is time to change "One Nation Under God" to "One Nation Under Christ" so moozlim ayrab terrists know we don't mean Allah. When they balk and won't say it, we know we've found one. http://www.uncoveror.com/pledge.htm
 
2013-10-14 11:39:33 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: If I have an unwanted boner that I want to lose, I will mentally recite the Pledge of Allegiance. It usually goes away by the end of the pledge.


United States Flag code disallows lowering of the pole.
 
2013-10-14 11:40:09 PM
E plebnista!

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2013-10-14 11:43:03 PM

uncoveror: The Pledge is a loyalty oath, and the purpose of those is to weed out the disloyal. It is time to change "One Nation Under God" to "One Nation Under Christ" so moozlim ayrab terrists know we don't mean Allah. When they balk and won't say it, we know we've found one. http://www.uncoveror.com/pledge.htm


Your blog sucks.
 
2013-10-14 11:44:28 PM
Principal Pat Jones? Sounds more like "Mother Jones"!!!
 
2013-10-14 11:47:08 PM

Rhino_man: Somacandra: Glad it got the kids talking civics, but it seems like a ham-fisted half-baked way of getting there.

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Why would the pledge make them talk about Hondas, man?


Thanks for this insight and all that jazz. There will be an accord to open the gov't soon.
 
2013-10-14 11:49:09 PM

EvilEgg: fusillade762: Some students were outraged by the decision, and one woman said her son stood up in class and recited the pledge anyway.

Good for him. Always refreshing when they spout their political indoctrination voluntarily.

It always amuses me when the "this isn't fascist Russia" types insist on the Pledge.


/ Came here to say all this.
 
2013-10-14 11:55:09 PM

brandent: Southern100: brandent: Southern100: Millions of immigrants are more than happy to swear allegiance to this country when they get their citizenship, and are willing to do almost whatever it takes to get the privilege to make that oath. Yet we have people BORN in this country who are willing to do almost whatever it takes to not only get out of the oath, but to prevent others from saying it even when they want to.

I shouldn't be surprised. I always am, but I shouldn't be.

No you are factually incorrect.  The flag oath is unconstitutional and un-Christian.  It states loyalty to an object not a country, constitution, or set of ideals.  It's straight up idol worship.  Please try to understand the difference between an oath such as oath to join the military to support and defend the constitution vs an oath to an inanimate object.

The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of loyalty to the federal flag and the republic of the United States of America.

That's where the "and to the Republic for which it stands" comes into play.

So it's very simple.  Remove the words "to the flag" and we're cool.

I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.  (optional under God).


Yeah, but that totally makes sense, and we can't be having that.
 
2013-10-14 11:55:23 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: 4 legs bad.

We're hopeless

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That movie always makes me cry. At the end, when the spider dies.
 
2013-10-14 11:55:54 PM

grumpfuff: uncoveror: The Pledge is a loyalty oath, and the purpose of those is to weed out the disloyal. It is time to change "One Nation Under God" to "One Nation Under Christ" so moozlim ayrab terrists know we don't mean Allah. When they balk and won't say it, we know we've found one. http://www.uncoveror.com/pledge.htm

Your blog sucks.


What do you mean I won't actually be able to see the dark side of the moon???
 
2013-10-14 11:59:24 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: grumpfuff: uncoveror: The Pledge is a loyalty oath, and the purpose of those is to weed out the disloyal. It is time to change "One Nation Under God" to "One Nation Under Christ" so moozlim ayrab terrists know we don't mean Allah. When they balk and won't say it, we know we've found one. http://www.uncoveror.com/pledge.htm

Your blog sucks.

What do you mean I won't actually be able to see the dark side of the moon???


I clicked around a bit too, and I can't decide if it's really that derpy, or just unfunny satire.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:35 AM

uncoveror: The Pledge is a loyalty oath, and the purpose of those is to weed out the disloyal. It is time to change "One Nation Under God" to "One Nation Under Christ" so moozlim ayrab terrists know we don't mean Allah. When they balk and won't say it, we know we've found one. http://www.uncoveror.com/pledge.htm


One Nation Under a Groove, Muthafukah
 
2013-10-15 12:26:45 AM
I went to a bbb event some time back and they did the pledge and a prayer prior to the event. So f'ing dumb
 
2013-10-15 12:28:12 AM
The pledge of alligence is supposed to be an oath.

Making you say it more than once is basically calling you a liar, or at least implying it strongly.

Allowing minors to say it means those minors can swear oaths.
 
2013-10-15 12:46:06 AM
cretinbob: img.fark.net

I feel so sad for that troop.

Can he ever forgive me for sending him out in my place? I was not able to go.
 
2013-10-15 12:51:09 AM

RedPhoenix122: EvilEgg: It always amuses me when the "this isn't fascist Russia" types insist on the Pledge.

I wouldn't mind saying it if we could omit the "under God" part that was added in the 50's to protect the US against the communists.


Fark the Knights of Columbus for messing up a perfectly cromulent pledge.  I'll stick to the 1924-1954 version, personally.
 
2013-10-15 12:54:29 AM

Somacandra: NewportBarGuy: RedPhoenix122: How long until someone tries to co-opt this into "Obama's idea for the pledge of allegiance."

January 20, 2009.

Try GHW Bush in the 1998 campaign against Michael Dukakis.

/you have just witnessed the sighting of the rare elder version of "B-B-B-But Bush."


1988. But never mind that. I remember it well Poppy Bush impugning Dukakis' patriotism over something about the pledge.
 
2013-10-15 12:59:08 AM

phaseolus: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x661]


There was another Life in Hell before that involving the United States of a Merry Cow and to the Republicans to which I scam, I remember showing it to my boss when I was working in Japan 1989ish.
 
2013-10-15 01:13:25 AM

infinitydreamer: The other day my 6 year old came home and told me that he thinks it's weird to talk about god in school.  When they make him recite the pledge he's chosen instead to say, "one nation, under donuts, with liberty and donuts for all."

It was one of those moments where I knew that I probably ought to give him some sort of lecture about being patriotic, but instead I told him I was proud that he took a stand for something he believes in instead of doing something simply because someone in a position of power said he should.

/css
//wishes for a world with donuts for all


Not me. Donuts and carbs conspired to kill me. But I escaped. I like the kid who simply substituted "under Love" for "under God". Same thing but without the religious overtones.
 
2013-10-15 02:07:52 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Seems quite the hep cat.

https://www.facebook.com/people/Pat-Jones/100000472569915
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I couldn't figure out what principal Pat Jones was trying to achieve with his "teaching moment". Maybe point out how ridiculous some claims and blame about the government shutdown are?

But the FB page lists one of his activities as "KEEP CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS", so I guess he sees himself as a warrior for true Americans who wanted to show what the pretender muslim president might do in the near future, because Obama hates America.

The local comments I read didn't seem to realize he was only being "sarcastic", and instead castigate him as as stupid parasitic government paid Obama stooge.
 
2013-10-15 02:33:10 AM

Lady Indica: Having children mindlessly recite a loyalty oath is farking creepy with or without the god part.


Yup.
 
2013-10-15 04:22:51 AM
Given the pledge, flag worship, exceptionalism, etc., it always surprises me that Italy and Germany both managed to beat the US to Fascism, it seems like an ideology far more suited to the American culture.
 
2013-10-15 06:05:52 AM
I never swore no pledge to no flag, state or anything else. My country even has a monarch.

Y'all 'mericans is nuts.
 
2013-10-15 07:01:06 AM
Of course, the principal was espousing a specific, political agenda.  He was exercising his right to free speech, right?  Not because he supported Father Obama and the church of gubmint.
 
2013-10-15 07:04:40 AM
50% of the headlines lately are liberals doing absolutely whacky things, and still Fark roars! Maybe suspend that honor student for driving her drunk friend home! Expel that 5th grader for making a pizza crust gun shape! Zero tolerance!
 
2013-10-15 07:15:15 AM

fusillade762: Some students were outraged by the decision, and one woman said her son stood up in class and recited the pledge anyway.

Good for him. Always refreshing when they spout their political indoctrination voluntarily.


damn... beat me to it. I think subby misused the tag... should have been amusing.
 
2013-10-15 07:26:23 AM

grumpfuff: Ricardo Klement: grumpfuff: Ricardo Klement: generallyso: Why do we force children to make daily pledges of fealty they don't understand? It's creepy and disturbing like something out of a communist dictatorship except I've never heard of one doing that.

Loyalty oaths were usually requested whenever you did something of even minor importance in communist dictatorships.

I like how you take a question about America, take it and run with it, and end up with an attack on communism, which no one was really talking about.

Soo..does that mean McCarthy was a communist? He wanted loyalty pledges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalty_oath

Hey look, I can bold stuff too!

You didn't ask me a question for me to dodge though.


Well, it's clear you went to public school...
 
2013-10-15 07:42:47 AM

Mean Daddy: Of course, the principal was espousing a specific, political agenda.  He was exercising his right to free speech, right?  Not because he supported Father Obama and the church of gubmint.


Except the principal is more likely a conservative going by his Facebook page and the "keep Christ in Christmas" stuff on it.
 
2013-10-15 08:00:55 AM
www.worldslargestthings.com
 
2013-10-15 08:23:06 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: RedPhoenix122: EvilEgg: It always amuses me when the "this isn't fascist Russia" types insist on the Pledge.

I wouldn't mind saying it if we could omit the "under God" part that was added in the 50's to protect the US against the communists.

Well it worked didn't it?

Look libtard, if it weren't for patriotic American kids reciting the pledge, we'd all be speaking Cuban right now.


But it didn't work.  I mean, look who's president.  We need the "UNDER GOD" (which must be SHOUTED, by the way) now more than ever!
 
2013-10-15 08:23:48 AM
I'm not sure what is dumber, the principal using the shutdown as justification for suspending the pledge (for which there are numerous reasons for suspending, but the stated reason here is silly) or the fact that people are "outraged" by it.
 
2013-10-15 09:01:00 AM
I remember the Mormon church 'Bearing Testimony' during Sacrament (I think that was what it was called).  Anyways, normally the speech would start with "I know this church is true".  Similar to a meet and greet at an AA meeting, but much less fun.  Now imagine happening about 4 times during the service.
Affirmation is a hell of a thing.


Testimony is born on fast and testimony sunday, which is the first sunday of the month. The best is when the tiny ones come up bearing a testimony entirely coached and suggested by the parent with them.
I was raised LDS and am currently making my way back to the fold as it were, but I still prefer the sincerity of legitimate experience over quaintly parroted things by children and their parents.

No, your hesitant, lurching, poor grasp of language isn't cute.
 
2013-10-15 09:32:26 AM

RedPhoenix122: EvilEgg: It always amuses me when the "this isn't fascist Russia" types insist on the Pledge.

I wouldn't mind saying it if we could omit the "under God" part that was added in the 50's to protect the US against the communists.


I'm sorry, are we no longer against communism?
 
2013-10-15 09:51:11 AM

Southern100: Millions of immigrants are more than happy to swear allegiance to this country when they get their citizenship, and are willing to do almost whatever it takes to get the privilege to make that oath. Yet we have people BORN in this country who are willing to do almost whatever it takes to not only get out of the oath, but to prevent others from saying it even when they want to.

I shouldn't be surprised. I always am, but I shouldn't be.


That is actually not the oath they are forced to say to get citizenship.

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance
and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty
of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend
the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform :noncombatant service in the Armed Forces
of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of
national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely
without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

It one of the reasons I will not do my US citizenship, even though I qualified many years ago. The denouncing of all other prior allegiance to the British crown is a no no for me.

Of course many other countries have started implementing similar sorts of oaths, but no where near as harsh in word. I don't know of any other that calls for the demand for military service. Strangely enough as a permanent resident I can be called on in the US draft just like a citizen despite making no oath to do so.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:02 AM

HotWingAgenda: Peki: Oof. Meanwhile, my school threatened detention if I said "love" instead of "God." That took a visit from my mother to straighten out.

/and school officials tried very hard never to deal with my mother

I used to get in trouble for "violating" the mandatory minute of prayer in my state, during high school, by blowing my nose for a full minute every time.


So you used to get in trouble for being a disruptive douche.
 
2013-10-15 12:18:24 PM

blindio: I'm not sure what is dumber, the principal using the shutdown as justification for suspending the pledge (for which there are numerous reasons for suspending, but the stated reason here is silly) or the fact that people are "outraged" by it.


The whole situation is stupid and the principal in question is just using it as an excuse for some Obama bashing.  One, the Government shutdown,  doesn't affect the other, the pledge, but there are certain Conservatives who will buy into his excuse no mater how dumb it is.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:33 PM

Somacandra: RedPhoenix122: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Look libtard, if it weren't for patriotic American kids reciting the pledge, we'd all be speaking Cuban right now.

Hah.  Funny thing, I was the one of 2 people in my class that were Jehovah's Witnesses, and had to sit the pledge out.

/Oddly enough, I ended up saying it in 2004 to swear into the military.

Military? I'm guessing you're no longer JW, then.


Or he made up the whole story and actually didn't know anything about JW's.
 
2013-10-15 12:33:10 PM

ArcadianRefugee: BullBearMS: Day_Old_Dutchie: This whole "trying to blame things on the shutdown to score some points" thing is really getting far too silly.

It's part of the "who can be more petulant than a third grader" contest the two parties are having.

Thankfully, America is paying attetion.

Americans have never been more eager for a third party in American politics as the government shutdown continues to generate record levels of frustration, according to a new poll.

Sixty percent believe Democrats and Republicans are doing such a poor job a third party is needed, according to a Gallup poll out Friday, a record high in the 10 years Gallup has polled on the question. Similarly, a record-low number of Americans - 26 percent - said the current two major parties adequately represent Americans.

Also for the first time in the poll's history, when broken down by party, a majority of both Democrats and Republicans say a third party is needed.

Where's Perot?


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2013-10-15 02:41:23 PM

edmo: All the geniuses end up in Education.


Just look at the pay scale. The only thing that requires a degree and pays worse is social worker. Guess who has even lower overall academic achievement than do education majors...
 
2013-10-15 10:17:54 PM

uncleacid: Never understood the witches stand part.


www.wichstand.com

/now get off my lawn
 
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