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(The Raw Story)   Oprah tells atheist swimmer that she can't believe in "awe" and "wonder". And the atheist's response is just as stupid. Popcorn, anyone?   (rawstory.com) divider line 332
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2013-10-14 05:18:30 PM

jakrabit: BetterMetalSnake: I felt wonder as an atheist, but I was clearly wrong. I'm lactose intolerant, so that's probably what it was.

Wow... you don't believe in God or dairy products?

HEATHEN!


No ice cream? Let's see if burning at the stake is hot enough to make you want ice cream, Mr Snake!
 
2013-10-14 05:18:46 PM

Farktastic: cman: Christ there are a lot of Oprah bashers in this thread

What did she ever do to you? Did she spit on your hamburger?

Ever been around a group of women who worship her?  She's douchebag patient zero in the epidemic of self-entitled douchebags.


She is a highly successful woman who has changed many lives for the better. Her charity work is extremely helpful. I don't know about you, but that makes her a hero in my book
 
2013-10-14 05:19:55 PM

Elzar: mgshamster: JesseL: Elzar: Lionel Mandrake: cman: Christ there are a lot of Oprah bashers in this thread

What did she ever do to you? Did she spit on your hamburger?

She's never done anything to me personally, but she's a public person who publicly says stupid things and is therefore being publicly mocked and criticized.  It's part of the price that comes with being a media-made billionaire.

In fact thats how you become a media-made billionaire - by saying stupid things....

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I say stupid shiat all the time. What am I doing wrong?

You're not saying it with a large enough audience.  Also, the stupid things have to resonate with your audience.

Yep - weaponize and monetize your stupid sayings and you'll go places...

[img823.imageshack.us image 800x248]


Half of blue is somewhere in the ultraviolet range.
 
2013-10-14 05:20:02 PM
The only thing bigger than Oprah's ego is her butt.
 
2013-10-14 05:20:06 PM

Intrepid00: You get the religious and the atheist having a debate both sides just come out looking stupid and judgmental.


Why is there a debate at all?  Some believe in one or more deities, some don't.  Just like with same sex marriage, there is nothing to discuss, there is no reason for it to not be allowed.

If you want a debate, healthcare and legal marijuana seem to be popular choices.
 
2013-10-14 05:20:45 PM
She sounds like a Humanist. Ain't nothing wrong with that!

I have spoken with many deeply religious individuals who truly can't wrap their heads around the fact that you can be in awe of nature and the mysteries of the universe WITHOUT belief in some diety. And it's impossible to explain it in a way they could truly understand, just as it's impossible to explain God in a way that would make me believe.
 
2013-10-14 05:21:03 PM

mgshamster: Half of blue is somewhere in the ultraviolet range.


Or possibly blue in dim lighting.
 
2013-10-14 05:21:15 PM

FloydA: I am constantly amazed that theists feel an irresistible need to re-define atheism to mean something other than "lack of belief in gods." That's what it means, and that is all it means.  Why are believers so resistant to that definition?


You mean you find it annoying some people try to paint everyone who holds a particular worldview as being something they aren't or doing something they don't based on the actions of a small subset of annoying insecure people? Yeah, that bugs me, too.
 
2013-10-14 05:21:40 PM
I've had a lap dance from both Awe and Wonder. There is a God.
 
2013-10-14 05:21:40 PM

Elzar: mgshamster: JesseL: Elzar: Lionel Mandrake: cman: Christ there are a lot of Oprah bashers in this thread

What did she ever do to you? Did she spit on your hamburger?

She's never done anything to me personally, but she's a public person who publicly says stupid things and is therefore being publicly mocked and criticized.  It's part of the price that comes with being a media-made billionaire.

In fact thats how you become a media-made billionaire - by saying stupid things....

[img35.imageshack.us image 750x712]

I say stupid shiat all the time. What am I doing wrong?

You're not saying it with a large enough audience.  Also, the stupid things have to resonate with your audience.

Yep - weaponize and monetize your stupid sayings and you'll go places...

[img823.imageshack.us image 800x248]


What. the. fark.
 
2013-10-14 05:22:00 PM

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2013-10-14 05:22:11 PM

roc6783: Intrepid00: You get the religious and the atheist having a debate both sides just come out looking stupid and judgmental.

Why is there a debate at all?  Some believe in one or more deities, some don't.  Just like with same sex marriage, there is nothing to discuss, there is no reason for it to not be allowed.

If you want a debate, healthcare and legal marijuana seem to be popular choices.


Well, besides just debating for fun, the real debate comes in debating whether government policy and life-impacting choices should be made based on one or more religious principles.
 
2013-10-14 05:23:57 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: mgshamster: Half of blue is somewhere in the ultraviolet range.

Or possibly blue in dim lighting.


Either works.  I wasn't thinking in terms of luminosity. :)
 
2013-10-14 05:25:17 PM
mgshamster:

Half of blue is somewhere in the ultraviolet range.

I'm pretty sure half of blue is bl
 
2013-10-14 05:25:22 PM
Token atheist didn't sound that stupid, Oprah sounded stone-blind retarded.

Of course that's only the result of the prejudice and the subject matter, Oprah sounded dumb because she was trying to hammer the square peg of "atheists are all psychopathic nihilistic hedonists who believe and feed nothing but the most base and animal of emotions," into the round hole of reality.

Trying to come up with a rationalization that complicated and difficult on the spot will challenge anyone.

Nor do I blame Oprah for having this prejudice, it is the fault of society and the media for creating it.  She dealt with a great deal of pain and personal tragedy through the power of faith, and the fact that most religions infect it with certain hatreds and prejudices is not her fault.

Now let's see cman find a way to be very, very concerned about what I just said.
 
2013-10-14 05:27:27 PM

I should be in the kitchen: She sounds like a Humanist. Ain't nothing wrong with that!

I have spoken with many deeply religious individuals who truly can't wrap their heads around the fact that you can be in awe of nature and the mysteries of the universe WITHOUT belief in some diety. And it's impossible to explain it in a way they could truly understand, just as it's impossible to explain God in a way that would make me believe.


I doubt that. If I were to explain God as, "This right here is God," followed by a visual/physical presentation of God itself, I'm sure you would believe.

Now, the tricky part is actually finding such a being that fits religious descriptions, but if I could, I'm sure you would start believing.
 
2013-10-14 05:27:31 PM

mgshamster: Elzar: mgshamster: JesseL: Elzar: Lionel Mandrake: cman: Christ there are a lot of Oprah bashers in this thread

What did she ever do to you? Did she spit on your hamburger?

She's never done anything to me personally, but she's a public person who publicly says stupid things and is therefore being publicly mocked and criticized.  It's part of the price that comes with being a media-made billionaire.

In fact thats how you become a media-made billionaire - by saying stupid things....

[img35.imageshack.us image 750x712]

I say stupid shiat all the time. What am I doing wrong?

You're not saying it with a large enough audience.  Also, the stupid things have to resonate with your audience.

Yep - weaponize and monetize your stupid sayings and you'll go places...

[img823.imageshack.us image 800x248]

Half of blue is somewhere in the ultraviolet range.


Half of blew is when her room mate walked in on us so she didn't finish.
 
2013-10-14 05:27:49 PM

jaytkay: Diana Nyad in the 1970s

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So she used to be a dude?
 
2013-10-14 05:28:17 PM
My mom believes the same thing about atheists. Maybe it's a generational thing.
 
2013-10-14 05:28:27 PM

hardinparamedic: Elzar: mgshamster: JesseL: Elzar: Lionel Mandrake: cman: Christ there are a lot of Oprah bashers in this thread

What did she ever do to you? Did she spit on your hamburger?

She's never done anything to me personally, but she's a public person who publicly says stupid things and is therefore being publicly mocked and criticized.  It's part of the price that comes with being a media-made billionaire.

In fact thats how you become a media-made billionaire - by saying stupid things....

[img35.imageshack.us image 750x712]

I say stupid shiat all the time. What am I doing wrong?

You're not saying it with a large enough audience.  Also, the stupid things have to resonate with your audience.

Yep - weaponize and monetize your stupid sayings and you'll go places...

[img823.imageshack.us image 800x248]

What. the. fark.


Excuse me sir do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior?
 
2013-10-14 05:29:01 PM

meat0918: Dr. Whoof: Is it me or is Oprah in the pic in the article beginning to look like Oghra from the Dark Crystal?

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You get a Gelfling, and you get a gelfling, everyone gets a gelfling!!!!!


Oprah viewer:

www.onlyforever.com
 
2013-10-14 05:29:45 PM

lockers: mgshamster:

Half of blue is somewhere in the ultraviolet range.

I'm pretty sure half of blue is bl


If you count characters, sure, but what if you measure by amount of ink needed. Maybe half of blue is blue. Or you could go by height and half of blue is blue.

That word has pretty much lost all meaning to me by now.
 
2013-10-14 05:30:39 PM

TheBigJerk: Token atheist didn't sound that stupid, Oprah sounded stone-blind retarded.

Of course that's only the result of the prejudice and the subject matter, Oprah sounded dumb because she was trying to hammer the square peg of "atheists are all psychopathic nihilistic hedonists who believe and feed nothing but the most base and animal of emotions," into the round hole of reality.

Trying to come up with a rationalization that complicated and difficult on the spot will challenge anyone.

Nor do I blame Oprah for having this prejudice, it is the fault of society and the media for creating it.  She dealt with a great deal of pain and personal tragedy through the power of faith, and the fact that most religions infect it with certain hatreds and prejudices is not her fault.

Now let's see cman find a way to be very, very concerned about what I just said.


Wow, what a dick move.

At least reply to my post instead of calling me out directly.

And frankly, I really don't give much of a shiat. I was wondering why there were a bunch of haters. It wasn't supposed to be a debate although it did turn into one. I didn't want to debate over something so trivial, so I won't.
 
2013-10-14 05:30:46 PM
My wife watches Oprah, I find nothing entertaining or interesting about her. She is neither intelligent and in fact quite judge mental, to me she is nothing more then a rich over materialistic black woman.

I would rather have a cup of coffee with a homeless veteran I see around the downtown area, the guy could recite plato or shakespeare - while homeless, he gets veterans into rehab and everything else (often asking me to drive them to VA hospitals etc).
He doesn't want a dime, doesn't drink or spoke - chooses to be homeless because he enjoys traveling on trains and just doing odd jobs for cash while helping others.

I just wish the guy would return, I hope he's alright last I heard he was traveling to Kansas.
 
2013-10-14 05:31:13 PM

FloydA: I am constantly amazed that theists feel an irresistible need to re-define atheism to mean something other than "lack of belief in gods." That's what it means, and that is all it means.  Why are believers so resistant to that definition?


To theists, atheism is far worse than someone being a different religion. Atheists, to them, are effectively saying that all those things they cherish are delusional and childish. The more firmly you believe the more your going to demonize. A lack of belief is a real punch to the gut to those people.
 
2013-10-14 05:32:34 PM
<BillCosby>
"Well, y'see, with the derpin' an' the herpin', an' all, they get down to the bizness of puttin' the herpin' in the derpin', so they end up with a big ol' herpaderp, there. And that's how it's done."
</BillCosby>

These days, "atheist" appears to mean "anybody who isn't an extreme Calvinist". I guess the Evangelical Christians and the evangelical atheists have both won. Let's have them kiss and make up, just to piss them both off.
 
2013-10-14 05:32:35 PM

Elzar: Yep - weaponize and monetize your stupid sayings and you'll go places...


I like how the guy can't even spell "servant" correctly.
 
2013-10-14 05:32:39 PM
I had somebody once tell me that it was sad that I didn't believe in anything, even if was a religion they think is totally false.

So there's a disconnect between me and religious people that I don't think I'll ever understand.
 
2013-10-14 05:32:55 PM

mgshamster: I should be in the kitchen: She sounds like a Humanist. Ain't nothing wrong with that!

I have spoken with many deeply religious individuals who truly can't wrap their heads around the fact that you can be in awe of nature and the mysteries of the universe WITHOUT belief in some diety. And it's impossible to explain it in a way they could truly understand, just as it's impossible to explain God in a way that would make me believe.

I doubt that. If I were to explain God as, "This right here is God," followed by a visual/physical presentation of God itself, I'm sure you would believe.

Now, the tricky part is actually finding such a being that fits religious descriptions, but if I could, I'm sure you would start believing.


You know it was a lot easier in the Old Testament. God showed up all the damn time. As a burning bush, made a game out of torturing Job to prove a point to Satan, the pillar of smoke and fire, he was bringing down fire and brimstone to level towns that had orgies, plagues that were obviously his work.

Now that just about everyone on the planet has a cell phone and can take pictures or video on a moments notice farker goes radio silent, and we are supposed to see him in a goddamn sunset. What the hell is that? There is a sunset every single day? Is God just getting lazy, mailing it in like Randy Moss on a play not designed to go to him?
 
2013-10-14 05:33:36 PM

cman: Farktastic: cman: Christ there are a lot of Oprah bashers in this thread

What did she ever do to you? Did she spit on your hamburger?

Ever been around a group of women who worship her?  She's douchebag patient zero in the epidemic of self-entitled douchebags.

She is a highly successful woman who has changed many lives for the better. Her charity work is extremely helpful. I don't know about you, but that makes her a hero in my book


She spawned Doctor Oz and Doctor Phil, two of the most damaging Mass Media "therapists" on the planet.  Her "charity" work in Africa has been under fire several times for numerous reasons.  Other than being marketing gold for any book that pays her enough to get promoted on her show (some of them blatant plagiarism and outright falsehood) I really do not see an upside.

If she actually spit in my hamburger I am sure I could strike it rich selling it off to one of her worshippers.  I just endured the most pedantic non-thinking facebook conversations I have ever seen about her recent show about Robin Thicke.  I suppose I should be thankful, I reduced my friend list by 6.
 
2013-10-14 05:33:54 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: lockers: mgshamster:

Half of blue is somewhere in the ultraviolet range.

I'm pretty sure half of blue is bl

If you count characters, sure, but what if you measure by amount of ink needed. Maybe half of blue is blue. Or you could go by height and half of blue is blue.

That word has pretty much lost all meaning to me by now.


You should have stopped at just half the meaning.
 
2013-10-14 05:34:50 PM
I'm awestruck whenever I see a kid with cancer.

Or I see a mosquito, on its way to infect a child with malaria.
 
2013-10-14 05:38:04 PM
GIS for "naiad"

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2013-10-14 05:39:03 PM

Farktastic: She spawned Doctor Oz


My mom continues to tell me "important" discoveries from that farkstick. I am tired of explaining that he is a quack and a fraud. He may be a leading surgical professor but he has some serious issues with pseudoscience.
 
2013-10-14 05:39:13 PM

Diogenes: Waitaminute waitaminute waitaminute...

I thought Oprah was God.


Close, she's a shill for the Chicago Jesus
 
2013-10-14 05:39:26 PM

lockers: You should have stopped at just half the meaning.


Bwahahaha! Well played.
 
2013-10-14 05:40:43 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I had somebody once tell me that it was sad that I didn't believe in anything, even if was a religion they think is totally false.

So there's a disconnect between me and religious people that I don't think I'll ever understand.


That person was just trying to demean you. The disconnect is that you don't feel like you need to make other people feel bad to validate some grand game of 'make-believe' to yourself.
 
2013-10-14 05:42:50 PM

jake3988: MaudlinMutantMollusk * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-10-14 03:13:57 PM This just in: Oprah Winfrey is a judgmental f*cking idiot
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She's a christian. I've never met a single one that wasn't a judgemental idiot. Especially of atheists.

'How could you <insert stupid crap here> if you're an atheist? I certainly couldn't'.

Me: 'I'm not you, douchebag!'


That sounds pretty judgemental.
 
2013-10-14 05:42:53 PM

Elzar: mgshamster: JesseL: Elzar: Lionel Mandrake: cman: Christ there are a lot of Oprah bashers in this thread

What did she ever do to you? Did she spit on your hamburger?

She's never done anything to me personally, but she's a public person who publicly says stupid things and is therefore being publicly mocked and criticized.  It's part of the price that comes with being a media-made billionaire.

In fact thats how you become a media-made billionaire - by saying stupid things....

[img35.imageshack.us image 750x712]

I say stupid shiat all the time. What am I doing wrong?

You're not saying it with a large enough audience.  Also, the stupid things have to resonate with your audience.

Yep - weaponize and monetize your stupid sayings and you'll go places...

[img823.imageshack.us image 800x248]


There's obviously a lot wrong with that argument, but what immediately occurred to me is that you certainly can cut blue light in half: half of blue is somewhere in the UV range. Of course, you can't see UV, but it is there.

Wait a minute... you can't see God either. But.... So....

Oh. Oh wow.

MIND = BLOWN.
 
2013-10-14 05:43:33 PM
What a biatch. I wouldn't have sold her that purse, either.
 
2013-10-14 05:52:21 PM
Atheism is a Religion.
 
2013-10-14 05:52:27 PM
This article is the most non-news I have ever read.

Two women had a generally pleasant conversation about nothing, details at 5:00!
 
2013-10-14 05:53:40 PM

gilgigamesh: Elzar: mgshamster: JesseL: Elzar: Lionel Mandrake: cman: Christ there are a lot of Oprah bashers in this thread

What did she ever do to you? Did she spit on your hamburger?

She's never done anything to me personally, but she's a public person who publicly says stupid things and is therefore being publicly mocked and criticized.  It's part of the price that comes with being a media-made billionaire.

In fact thats how you become a media-made billionaire - by saying stupid things....

[img35.imageshack.us image 750x712]

I say stupid shiat all the time. What am I doing wrong?

You're not saying it with a large enough audience.  Also, the stupid things have to resonate with your audience.

Yep - weaponize and monetize your stupid sayings and you'll go places...

[img823.imageshack.us image 800x248]

There's obviously a lot wrong with that argument, but what immediately occurred to me is that you certainly can cut blue light in half: half of blue is somewhere in the UV range. Of course, you can't see UV, but it is there.

Wait a minute... you can't see God either. But.... So....

Oh. Oh wow.

MIND = BLOWN.


Plus you get a double rainbow - one seen, one unseen

/ What does it mean?
 
2013-10-14 05:53:44 PM

mgshamster: Half of blue is somewhere in the ultraviolet range.


jst3p: Half of blew is when her room mate walked in on us so she didn't finish.


lockers: I'm pretty sure half of blue is bl


I May Be Crazy But...: Or possibly blue in dim lighting.


I May Be Crazy But...: If you count characters, sure, but what if you measure by amount of ink needed. Maybe half of blue is blue. Or you could go by height and half of blue is blue.

That word has pretty much lost all meaning to me by now.


Semantics can be fun, but if we think about it, these all have very real meanings and explanations for defining "half of blue" (or blew, as one case may be).

Defining terms can be very important when trying to convey thoughts and ideas.  The other week I was in a conversation with a theist who was trying to convince me that he had proof of God.  He started his proof with a question, "Do you believe in graffiti?" I was unable to respond, because I didn't know what he meant. I asked him to clarify, and he became confused. He didn't understand how I could be confused by his question.

So I elaborated: "What do you mean by 'believe'? I have seen many differing definitions. I've seen some people define the word as having faith without evidence. In this context, there's no need to believe in graffiti; clearly it exists. You just have to walk around any major city or wait for a cargo train to go by to see it. I've seen other definitions that go back to a root system of overarching belief systems, to the point where every though process is tantamount to a belief; as in, 'it requires belief to trust that your eyes are seeing the electromagnetic signals and your brain s converting those signals to the proper image.' In this context, everything you see is based on belief, so everyone would 'believe' in graffiti.  Under the assumptions of an objective reality, one typically does not need to belief in graffiti; the mere observation should be enough to convince everyone that it exists. Under the assumptions of a subjective reality, it might take a bit more.

"Now, that's just talking about the existence of graffiti. What if we take it to a different context? What if we talk about graffiti as viable art, or graffiti as a tool for social change?  What if we talk about the word itself?  A simple question can lead to some very profound discussions and the simple context can easily change the meaning of the word."

Of course, I knew what he was getting at.  He was trying to make the claim that I only believe what I can see in front of me. It's a classic argument used against non-believers.  So he changed his question, "How do you know graffiti exists?"

Well. The simple answer is: It can be seen. The complex answer is: It can be observed by multiple observations instruments (eyes, touch, smell, analytical instrumentation, etc...); these observations can be reliably and readily repeated by multiple instruments and observers to confirm the existence of graffiti; and the technique of creating graffiti is not only well known and can be repeated, but also follow all currently known laws of physics and chemistry, as well as all reasonable logic.

After that, he accused me of using semantics to derail the conversation and simply told me to read the bible, for proof of God was in there.  I haven't heard from him since.
 
2013-10-14 05:55:36 PM
Uhhhh, what did Diana Nyad say that was idiotic, subtard? She's just a common-or-garden humanist. Atheism =/= nihilism.

GreenSun: You know, if there is really a god and then god decides to appear to all of mankind/alienkind, how do you think people would respond? How do you even know that the thing that appeared is actually god, and not just some kind of more advanced creature that wanted to play around with primitive creatures like us?


That's what gods are. Consult the book of Roddenberry for details.
 
2013-10-14 05:58:08 PM

Corvus: Sorry what did the atheist say was stupid?

I guess I missed it.
Relatively Obscure: "I think sunsets are pretty."

"THAT'S WHAT GOD IS SO YOU NOW BELIEVE IN GOD AHAHAHAHA"

Well I've had Farkers yell at me saying you can't believe in the supernatural and be an atheist too.


Yeah, that's true. If you believe in the supernatural, which is things/beings not bounded by physical law? You're not an atheist.
 
2013-10-14 05:58:29 PM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


You got in on this topic far too late.  0/10, may dog lift his leg on your sole.
 
2013-10-14 05:58:49 PM
I would say that it's the religious that don't believe in awe and wonder. Everything has been "explained" to them.  Also from what I've seen it's the less or non religious among us that have shown that the universe is a far grander thing than the religious version. ie. That the sun goes around the earth and we are the center of it all.
 
2013-10-14 05:59:24 PM

jaytkay: Diana Nyad in the 1970s

[queerty-prodweb.s3.amazonaws.com image 480x670]


IKR? She's a little older and heavier, but man, all that swimming muscle has got to be AMAZING up close and personal.
 
2013-10-14 05:59:46 PM
"Spirituality" has always been a part of Oprah's shtick. So of course she's going to tell someone that you have to be religious to experience things that religious people think they invented, like "awe" and "wonder."

So when Oprah said: "Well, I don't call you an atheist then. I think if you believe in the awe and the wonder and the mystery that that is what God is. That is what God is."

The proper response is, "Who the fark told you that?"

Oprah knows she doesn't know everything. But she probably doesn't get told that nearly often enough, like most rich and/or famous people. People are so busy kissing her ass, they probably don't even agree with half the shiat she says, they just don't want to be the "asshole who dissed Oprah."

/not anti-Oprah, generally
 
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