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(CBS News)   So you're shopping at Walmart only to discover that your EBT card no longer has a limit. What do you do? Probably something like this   (cbsnews.com) divider line 87
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2013-10-14 11:43:54 AM
10 votes:
Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)
2013-10-14 12:03:07 PM
6 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Yeah.


Nothing like looting with an ID

/your clever plan...
2013-10-14 01:29:40 PM
5 votes:

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.


Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.
2013-10-14 12:45:53 PM
5 votes:

Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?


$50 per month withheld from their allowance until the debt was paid.
2013-10-14 02:23:11 PM
4 votes:
And I bet most of those people are under the impression that if the transaction went through, they get to keep the stuff without playing anything back because it wasn't their fault the card wasn't working right. And they'll be outraged when it gets deducted from future benefits, angry at the government for keeping their money and wailing about not being able to feed their children. And they will never understand that they spent their benefit money on crap.
2013-10-14 02:10:45 PM
4 votes:

Headso: walmart made a decision to knowingly steal this money just like the people making purchases.


Here's the alternative headline if they'd suspended EBT purchases:

WalMart Denies Food to Poor People
2013-10-14 02:02:44 PM
4 votes:

CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.


Why not both?
2013-10-14 01:57:48 PM
4 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"



The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.
2013-10-14 03:58:31 PM
3 votes:

Joe Blowme: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

our tax dollars?


Yup.

It's (not) amazing to me how many farkers tried to hang the blame on wal-mart for this.

Company says, "System is down but we'll trust you to do the right thing."

Scum of the earth immediately loot store.

Farkers defend scum.

Proving once again that no good deed goes unpunished.
2013-10-14 03:42:23 PM
3 votes:

Madbassist1: The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.

Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.


Yeah, bullshiat.  Dozens of people suddenly show up and start filling up multiple shopping carts with food right after the glitch shows up, emptying Walmart's shelves in the process...and you think they were just doing their weekly shopping?

...and when Walmart got on the loudspeaker and announced that the glitch was fixed, people abandoned their overflowing shopping carts in the aisles and quickly left the store because they all just remembered that the season premier of The Walking Dead was coming on soon?
2013-10-14 03:37:45 PM
3 votes:

TDBoedy: Magnanimous_J: Rik01: These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.

It's almost as if thinking things through isn't a cornerstone of poor swamp trash culture.

honestly even though it seems bad, in order to avoid possible violence and rioting in this particular location it does seem like they made the best decision and err'd on the side of caution and simply said let them have food.  It is one day of the year and you can be sure they'll make up for it with or without state assistance.  They can always write off the cost as a "donation" of some kind.

This was a win-win situation for Wal-Mart to let them have food.  If they hadn't allowed them to make purchases you can bet there would be a lot more shiatty press...possible looting and violence.  The entitlement mentality can get dangerous very quickly.  Things tend to escalate.  quickly.  I see what I did there.


Totally. Even though Wal Mart might have pocketed a few grand out of the chaos, the real win was the amount of damage and injuries that DIDN'T occur due to riot.


Masta Kronix: Counterpoint, it's almost as if a lack of education and being taught critical thinking skills allows people to make decisions that seem stupid/borderline retarded to those of us who had the luxury of an education worth a damn.



You don't need a good education to understand consequences. Even the dog learns to stop harassing porcupines after the third time he gets a nose full of quills. It's accountability. And not to the government either. If any other members of this community had said "What the hell are you doing? You are acting like inbred swamp trash and making us all look horrible." But in America we've decided that shame is an obsolete concept. No shame in Trustafarians getting on EBT and buying lobster jerky; no shame in letting your toddler eat Cup Noodles every night because you just installed a 3000 dollar stereo in a 1000 dollar car; No shame in leaving the house looking like shiat; no shame in cheating on your wife; no shame in letting yourself get fat; no shame in anything. A good education and opportunities are crucial for underserved communities, but class is free.
2013-10-14 03:30:38 PM
3 votes:

Madbassist1: hutchkc: And lose that benefit for life. I'm here today because my parents got food stamps and such. It's assholes like the people mentioned that give justification to people that want to get rid of the programs altogether.

Good christ, you self righteous prick, how do you know your parents didnt swap stamps for booze or some such, or just sold them outright for .50 on the dollar. They likely did, so fark you.



Maybe I am a self-righteous prick, but I have no sympathy for people that knowing abuse the system.  Food stamps/pantries hold a special spot for me as that's how we had food as a kid.  Many people need those things and watching someone abuse it really makes me upset.

There are many people that wish to get rid of social programs and this is more fodder for them on abuses.  It will be used as another example of freeloaders and put more cuts into their budget so it helps even less people than now.

The amount is very small and you can't even buy certain necessary items like TP.  So with these people filling up multiple carts they obviously knew something was amiss, which is why they abandoned their carts when it was said the issue was fixed.  Which tells me they had intent to steal/defraud/whatever from the system and thus should not be allowed to use the system.
2013-10-14 02:53:26 PM
3 votes:
how about this, "$50 or $100 limit on all EBT purchases while the system is down"
2013-10-14 02:23:53 PM
3 votes:

bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.


I can. Zero.
2013-10-14 01:49:42 PM
3 votes:
"Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families, because we knew they could never be held accountable and we wanted to get ours from the government teat as well" Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."


FTFT.
2013-10-14 12:10:08 PM
3 votes:
Yeah, great day until you get that huge bill from the state.  Then what are you going to do?

/Oh yeah, right.
2013-10-14 12:07:11 PM
3 votes:
Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."


I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.
2013-10-14 11:54:54 AM
3 votes:

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.


Yeah.
2013-10-14 06:40:08 PM
2 votes:
Nice, first you try to rob the system because you are too farking lazy to find a job, then when your homies tell you it doesn't work anymore, you just farking abandon your carts in the isles, forcing some poor slob who HAS a job to put all that shiat back, if its not ruined already. And don't hate because i said "homies' you saw the video just as well as i did.farking lazy, robbing slugs. Too bad they cant find out who did it and jail the whole farking bunch of them.
2013-10-14 05:06:54 PM
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.

Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.

Take another look at your "multiple videos." Work at it.

I'm not surprised that's the best reply you've got, based on your little "theory."

Tell me - if customers weren't being allowed out the door with those full carts, why were there so many people there filling them? Perhaps that's just an entertaining evening in Mansfield for the locals, filling up carts at Walmart with items just for the hell of it?

Some people call it "shopping."


Once again, you're totally right.

This is the result of normal shopping patterns over 2 hours on your typical day:

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

I see the light now. It's all a media conspiracy to make the poor blahs look bad.
2013-10-14 04:51:13 PM
2 votes:
Proving once and for all that these are good, honest folks, who just need a hand so they can get their act together and not a bunch of criminal leaches.

[ / scarcasm ]

/// 100% are democrats. I'd bet massive amounts of $$ on it.
2013-10-14 04:06:30 PM
2 votes:

sheep snorter: Due to Walmarts complicity in being an accessory to food stamps debit card fraud, Governor Piyush Jindal will personally cut off all food stamps for the month of November.

/hope you got yours.

//emergency rations of adult diapers will be provided to card carrying republicans/teahadists, during the month of November as a way to say thank you for getting yours.


Somehow i dont think the thieves were teaparty or Gop, but keep huffinig that paint, its doing wonders for your retardation
2013-10-14 04:05:45 PM
2 votes:

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.

Why would you say that?

because you are. Think about it. You're standing in line at a gas station, as you claim. It isn't like a grocery store where you have a peripheral view. You really have to work to see just what plastic is being used. In a grocery store, sure you can see if you invade someones space, but a gas station? Nah. Also most cashiers wont take plastic from kids.


If I'm inside a gas station, with one clerk, standing right behind a couple of kids buying candy and soda with a Link card, I can't see what's going on?
Yeah, and no immigrant gas station owner would ever make that kind of transaction....

You're an idiot.

/Tagged as such
2013-10-14 03:58:57 PM
2 votes:
URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"

Really? Not only do they farkin' HAVE cell phones, I'm betting that they have the latest and BEST cellphones available. Not to mention hung with bling and the baby momas all have their nails done while the baby daddys are sporting the latest brand new Nikes. Trust me...I see it all the time in the medical profession. They're on Medicare and Medicaid and dress better than those of us with jobs!
2013-10-14 03:53:37 PM
2 votes:

Madbassist1: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Madbassist1: The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.

Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.

Yeah, bullshiat.  Dozens of people suddenly show up and start filling up multiple shopping carts with food right after the glitch shows up, emptying Walmart's shelves in the process...and you think they were just doing their weekly shopping?

...and when Walmart got on the loudspeaker and announced that the glitch was fixed, people abandoned their overflowing shopping carts in the aisles and quickly left the store because they all just remembered that the season premier of The Walking Dead was coming on soon?

Prove it.

/see how that works?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7cmmCYJ4eo

All those full carts were left because so many people simultaneously realized they needed to be at the gym within the next half hour.  Or something like that.  Definitely not because people were trying to game the system while it was down.  Nope.
2013-10-14 02:09:28 PM
2 votes:

bearded clamorer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.


I thought they already did.

And what's wrong with steak?  You think poor people should never, ever eat red meat?  I mean, I can see that they shouldn't be able to buy prime striploins... but maybe make beef OK under a certain price per pound?  It just seems overly restrictive to me that all steak would be off the menu.  I can do wonders with round steak and a jacquard tenderizer.
2013-10-14 02:09:24 PM
2 votes:

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)


And lose that benefit for life.  I'm here today because my parents got food stamps and such.  It's assholes like the people mentioned that give justification to people that want to get rid of the programs altogether.
2013-10-14 02:08:04 PM
2 votes:

NutWrench: Headso: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

Good thing corporations are only  considered people for the good shiat, that seems almost like they are part of the scam knowingly making profits off this.

I'm the last person to defend WalMart but the people who thought they were getting "free money" are the ones to blame here.


I think they are both equally to blame, walmart made a decision to knowingly steal this money just like the people making purchases.
2013-10-14 02:05:13 PM
2 votes:

Headso: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

Good thing corporations are only  considered people for the good shiat, that seems almost like they are part of the scam knowingly making profits off this.


I'm the last person to defend WalMart but the people who thought they were getting "free money" are the ones to blame here.
2013-10-14 02:02:05 PM
2 votes:

Therion: Fear not, the right-wing social media Poutrage Machine is already fully engaged.


So's the left-wing 'make excuses for the perps' and 'blame Wal Mart' factory.
2013-10-14 01:39:10 PM
2 votes:
When DFAS overpays someone in the military, they just withhold pay until the ledger is balanced.  Of course, EBT is handled by the states so I don't know if they'd go about it the same way, but it would be fair.  After all, it isn't like they "earned" the money in the first place.
2013-10-15 04:53:09 AM
1 votes:

Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?


They're the ones who deliberately cheated the system, that's their problem.
2013-10-14 09:50:28 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?

That's not what that says.

It says right there that the retailer will be responsible for "any amount spent over eligible limits."

That would seem to imply that people were spending over their eligible limits, yes? Otherwise there would be nothing to pay back.

Yes, to someone who doesn't speak English it would "seem to imply" that. Just as my saying, "Elegy will be blowing all the dogs his mother doesn't get around to" would "seem to imply" you'll be pleasing some chihuahuas to someone who doesn't know your mother.


You really are poor at this you know.

It usually works better if you can at least simulate logic for a whole to keep the other person wound up.

Descending directly into personal insults in an indication that you're losing, not that you're winning.
2013-10-14 09:06:36 PM
1 votes:
I propose that whoever took advantage of this glitch should be required to pay back the excess PLUS be banned from having an EBT card and EBT benefits.

/that's the least that would happen to you if it was a company credit card for your workplace.
//If the bastards don't pay it back, just keep deducting it month to month until the full amount has been recovered.
///Sad part is that these asshats will probably get away with it.  And we'll be paying for it.
2013-10-14 07:56:47 PM
1 votes:

Fade2black: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.

I have to side with Wal-Mart on this one.  The alternative is a bunch of low income monkeys rioting because they couldn't get their cheez wiz or cereal.


No argument here.  It would have been wrong for Wal-mart to shut it down, yes.  But to pretend it's all about "Think about the children!"... That's what I'm laughing at.  As if it's not about making as much money as they can, whether that's taking advantage of the state, or taking advantage of the people running up tabs they will be responsible for later - it was certainly not about doing the right thing for families.
2013-10-14 07:26:49 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.


Ummm why would they activate emergency procedures? There was no emergency.
2013-10-14 06:45:11 PM
1 votes:

PainInTheASP: Yeah, great day until you get that huge bill from the state.  Then what are you going to do?

/Oh yeah, right.


/Tax the people who actually work for a living more. And yes, Wal mart were greedy slugs because they knew they could say "its not our fault, how could we know?" Its the people who used the cards that are liable.  Its the same as a bank glitch that gives you 12 million dollars in your savings, when you know you have like only 100 bucks, but yet you go on a spending spree, spending thousands of dollars. It's not the businesses fault, its the card holder. Theft, pure and simple. Every one of those farking slugs should get kicked off the program indefinitely and jailed.
2013-10-14 06:16:00 PM
1 votes:

jpo2269: I am just amazed at how this went from person 1 realizing there was no limit on the EBT card to the point where many people were in the know and in a position to exploit the glitch..

Of course, that fascination does not override the fact that what they did was theft pure and simple.


When those people find out a new way to game the system, and if telling others about it does not jeopardize their take, word of mouth can be pretty quick.  Some of them probably tried to trick others of them into thinking they could "unlock" their cards for a fee.  They are crafty and cut throat like that.
2013-10-14 06:00:25 PM
1 votes:

The_Gallant_Gallstone: It's abundantly clear this was a false flag operation to make Real Americans from Louisiana out to be benefit-slurping parasites.

My theory is that this operation was coordinated by OFA in conjunction with MoveOn and the remnants of ACORN under the supervision of RV.


Before you get all political, you may want to know the political demographics of Mansfield.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.


You're serious? You think people filed into the store and stripped the shelves clean by chance? That they didn't realize there was a glitch in the system. People don't pull a "Supermarket Sweep" due to rumors.
2013-10-14 05:15:12 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)


Actually this was a prime example of why some poor stay poor. Short, they are dumb and bad at screwing the system. Only a stupid person would think this was a magical time where a transaction was going to go unrecorded.
2013-10-14 05:08:20 PM
1 votes:

olddinosaur: Trance354: the EBT system,.....

/what they don't understand is that anything that is perishable and has left the store has to be thrown out
//chucked 2 pounds of bacon yesterday.
///2 p-o-u-n-d-s of bacon

Close but not quite.  They return the items for store credit, then spend the store credit on stuff not allowed by food stamps, such as alcohol and cigarettes.

Then they go to the soup kitchen and eat free while our taxes pay to keep them drunk.


No, I've seen it.  Hell, I've had to process the transactions.  They kick up a fuss and the managers step in and give them cash.  They act like the GOP are now and wail until they get their way.  One guy just yesterday kicked up a fuss about the money he spent on groceries.  He said he wanted a refund on items he didn't bring back.  Absolutely refused to leave until he was given free money.  I politely refused to give him anything, pointing out that he didn't bring anything back, and he was responsible for buying the 9 packs of soda which were now at his house, not to mention the other things he'd grabbed, thinking the well was bottomless during the EBT fiasco.  He missed the cut off by a few minutes and was pissed off he was charged for items he bought, yet he also wanted to keep the items and buy more things, such as food, so he wouldn't starve during the next month.  A manager came over and talked him down to $20.  I'd have(and did) told him to go fly a kite, but he was kicking up a fuss, so the manager placated him.

/they aren't eating at the food bank, they are eating quite well, considering not a one of them is underweight
//unless they're on meth, and even then....
2013-10-14 04:56:32 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.

Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.

Take another look at your "multiple videos." Work at it.


I'm not surprised that's the best reply you've got, based on your little "theory."

Tell me - if customers weren't being allowed out the door with those full carts, why were there so many people there filling them? Perhaps that's just an entertaining evening in Mansfield for the locals, filling up carts at Walmart with items just for the hell of it?
2013-10-14 04:38:01 PM
1 votes:

Trance354: the EBT system, for those not in the know, works like this: an amount of the assistance is allotted to purely foodstuffs, and the correct items are in the computer system so they come up as coming off the card automatically.  There's a little sub-total on my screen which gives and EBT total, separate from the final bill.  The difference can be used however the person wants, but is supposed to be for the items which are not on the list, but still in the store: not to be used for alcohol or drugs: toilet paper, cleaning supplies, etc.  What really happens is that they come to the counter, draw out the "cash" amount, pay for what they can with the balance, and go to the liquor store with the cash to get their fix.  The scummy bastards go to the parts of the store that have small, more valuable items(canned atlantic salmon, for instance), buy it through the lines, then come and return the items for cash, then go to the liquor store.  The leeches of the system don't bother buying the stuff, they know we aren't supposed to ask for a receipt below $10, so they get something that is $9.99 or less off the shelf and just "return" it.  These arseholes are why we have the expense of a top of the line security system in every store.

/what they don't understand is that anything that is perishable and has left the store has to be thrown out
//chucked 2 pounds of bacon yesterday.
///2 p-o-u-n-d-s of bacon


Close but not quite.  They return the items for store credit, then spend the store credit on stuff not allowed by food stamps, such as alcohol and cigarettes.

Then they go to the soup kitchen and eat free while our taxes pay to keep them drunk.
2013-10-14 04:32:07 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.


Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.
2013-10-14 04:17:48 PM
1 votes:

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.

Why would you say that?

because you are. Think about it. You're standing in line at a gas station, as you claim. It isn't like a grocery store where you have a peripheral view. You really have to work to see just what plastic is being used. In a grocery store, sure you can see if you invade someones space, but a gas station? Nah. Also most cashiers wont take plastic from kids.


Not sure what the gas stations/Quik Stops are like in your area, but here in BFNowhere they are almost always large, semi-circular counters where it is extremely easy to see what method the person in front of you is using to pay.  There are always multiple card-swipe machines front and center, and I can't imagine any apathetic counter person saying anything about the method of payment so long as the register accepts it.
2013-10-14 04:12:45 PM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: bearded clamorer: Why would you say that?

Because you aren't in the same room as him.


You got that right.
2013-10-14 04:10:06 PM
1 votes:
OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.
2013-10-14 04:00:50 PM
1 votes:

bluorangefyre: CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.

Anybody who did this would do exactly what either of you would do if you woke up and saw your bank account read... ONE BILLION DOLLARS!


Knowing how these things work (read: US gov/corp/politics) I would go to the bank and get it investigated, or in writing that it's mine. Not going to risk years in prison and/or fines for some purchases I'll only enjoy for a few days before getting caught.
2013-10-14 03:53:41 PM
1 votes:

bearded clamorer: Why would you say that?


Because you aren't in the same room as him.
2013-10-14 03:43:40 PM
1 votes:
No shame in relying on anecdotes to decide the working poor don't deserve that whopping $1.47 per meal.
2013-10-14 03:32:21 PM
1 votes:

Madbassist1: CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.

knowledge and intent, how does that work?


I'd say when you have your cart piled 6 ft high and that isn't your regular monthly purchase you are showing knowledge and intent. You know that your ccard has a monthly spending limit. If you load up with disregard for that limit, you knew what you were doing.

When wal mart announced that the cards were working correctly again those people ditched their overloaded carts.
2013-10-14 03:25:31 PM
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cardex: Yep when I started my diet and lost 150 pounds my food budget dubbled but I get home with fewer bags of food. But there are some cheap and healthy options if you know what to look for and dont mind eating the same thing every day for a week


Mine usually goes from the $450-$600 per month range to the $120-$180 per month range.  It's expensive to feed myself junk.
2013-10-14 03:24:34 PM
1 votes:

Masta Kronix: That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.


Jogging costs so much money!
2013-10-14 03:21:43 PM
1 votes:

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.


They were only Freshmen.
2013-10-14 03:15:24 PM
1 votes:

Timmy the Tumor: EBT cards is racist


Get you hands off my hard earned paycheck.

Earn your own.
2013-10-14 03:12:45 PM
1 votes:
Here's a news report with some of the video.

Still can't find the raw video though.
2013-10-14 03:11:22 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Breeze:  I can believe that the EBT users lack the common sense or morals to do the right thing, knowing full well they weren't entitled to loot a Wal-Mart freely because of a system error. That's not the surprising part.


However I can't believe there were enough people with EBT cards shopping that particular evening to cause that kind of result. That's a lot of farking people and it's shameful.


Either it's in a bad side of town, or everyone had to tell their friends. No way a ton of people found out by accident
2013-10-14 02:55:27 PM
1 votes:

Dafatone: Some poor people got away with something?

Well, we certainly can't have that.


It should be nice and legal like when Uncle Sam giving banks money at no interest over the last several years. Same taxpayer screw job but legal.
2013-10-14 02:52:40 PM
1 votes:

DrewFL: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell Obama-phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"


/FTFE
2013-10-14 02:51:20 PM
1 votes:
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2013-10-14 02:49:28 PM
1 votes:
They're all gonna be upset when they realize they're going to have to pay it back.

The system is like that. I was on SSI before getting on Disability. When Disability started, I got one SSI check a few days after. Shortly after that, Social Security sent me a letter, demanding the check or equal funds returned to them or they would subtract the amount from my next Disability check.

I returned it.

When my Uncle passed, I was his executor. The lawyer I used froze his accounts pending settling everything. A social security check arrived for my Uncle and it had to be sent back, or Social Security would deduct it from his bank account and/or his estate or make me responsible (as his executor) for repaying.

The Government, in the Social Assistance System, doesn't like loosing money.

Due to a glitch, I once got overpaid a few bucks with Disability -- and they took it back out of the next check.

These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.

Either that, or they'll simply decrease your allotment by $50 or so each 'recharge' until the debt is paid.

You'd think folks would learn. FARK has had many stories of people who, upon discovering a bank error gave them a huge amount of money in their accounts, promptly went and spent it -- only to be sued into paying it back and/or winding up in court for theft.

Then there was the money Order/check scam. Someone would get a check in the mail, with a note telling them to cash it, send a small portion back to the sender and keep the rest for their trouble. Naturally, they did -- the check bounced and they had to repay the amount. Some, being 'clever' suckered friends into cashing the check, knowing it would take a day or two for the bank to verify it. Then the friend would get hit with the charges, who, supposedly, would escape legal problems by having been duped.

Doesn't work that way. Everyone involved gets dragged into court. Except the original sender, who is usually in Africa.

It always amuses me when I see these folks in court, defending their actions for basically stealing money and thoroughly pi$$ed off that they have to pay it back. That's what's going to happen here. Those EBT users will be OUTRAGED that they have to pay the money back and out will come the race card.
2013-10-14 02:45:05 PM
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2013-10-14 02:40:38 PM
1 votes:

Masta Kronix: That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.


I bet they cleaned out the healthy stuff while money was no object then, right?
2013-10-14 02:39:54 PM
1 votes:
Some poor people got away with something?

Well, we certainly can't have that.
2013-10-14 02:39:28 PM
1 votes:
I'm guessing it was honor the EBT cards or have a full scale violent riot.

BTW Did they leave any Heineken on the shelves?
2013-10-14 02:38:04 PM
1 votes:

Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.


That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/nyregion/in-obesity-fight-poverty-i s -patient-zero.html?_r=0"
2013-10-14 02:34:24 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?


our tax dollars?
2013-10-14 02:32:52 PM
1 votes:

bearded clamorer: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.

Sadly, you are wrong.


No I'm not.
2013-10-14 02:31:40 PM
1 votes:
Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.
2013-10-14 02:31:37 PM
1 votes:

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.


Sadly, you are wrong.
2013-10-14 02:30:38 PM
1 votes:
This wouldn't be possible if you had to go stand in line to get your government commodities.  It's not like they're lacking in spare time.
2013-10-14 02:22:06 PM
1 votes:

hutchkc: And lose that benefit for life. I'm here today because my parents got food stamps and such. It's assholes like the people mentioned that give justification to people that want to get rid of the programs altogether.


Good christ, you self righteous prick, how do you know your parents didnt swap stamps for booze or some such, or just sold them outright for .50 on the dollar. They likely did, so fark you.
2013-10-14 02:20:50 PM
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.


knowledge and intent, how does that work?
2013-10-14 02:15:28 PM
1 votes:
Amazing at how fast word got around.  Is there some kind of free thing phone tree?
2013-10-14 02:12:15 PM
1 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: HooskerDoo: You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?

Hookers and cocaine would happen.

The bank would come looking for their money, and you'd go to jail.


My US bank?  My ATM card would be stolen, all of it spent or taken out in Canadian funds in another city before I could report it, and I'd follow all procedures for the bank's insurance.
2013-10-14 02:10:45 PM
1 votes:

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.


Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"
2013-10-14 02:05:19 PM
1 votes:

You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?


Hookers and cocaine would happen.
2013-10-14 02:05:10 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.


I wonder if it could be argued that since Wal-Mart was aware of the situation and let unlimited EBT purchases continue, then Wal-Mart could be held liable for the overages?
2013-10-14 02:04:12 PM
1 votes:

Spad31: But...SHHHHH! Don't dare mention the demographics!


Poor white trash?
2013-10-14 02:02:26 PM
1 votes:

unyon: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

Not American, but I would presume that future benefits payments would reflect the overspending on this particular transaction.  It's not like you actually got given more money, you just knowingly spent money that wasn't yours. Here in Canada, you wouldn't get a dime more in support until you were squared up with the government.  I presume it would work much the same for you guys.  It's like getting a misprinted cheque with a few more zeros on it than intended.  It doesn't make the money yours in any way, shape, or form.

 I'm not sure that these fine folks thought their cunning plan all the way through, though.


This. The EBT cards will not work until there is a positive balance on them. These folks will have to continue to file for benefits each week as usual, until the balance is repaid.
2013-10-14 02:00:15 PM
1 votes:

Spad31: Done in one.

But...SHHHHH! Don't dare mention the demographics!

Makes liberals uncomfortable.



A state with a Republican governor abuses government benefits, big surprise.
2013-10-14 01:37:34 PM
1 votes:
"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA.

I support this decision on environmental grounds. I've spent some time in LA, and I know that if those people didn't get their Cheerios and Tyson chicken from Walmart, they'd be eating whatever they found in the swamps, most of which is still pending identification by science. Those farkers will eat anything. They don't care how many legs or eyes or what have you some creature's got, if it moves, they'll chase it down and pop it in their mouths. Or mix it with some raw sewage and call it some kind of soup. It's fascinating watching a Louisianan eat. You're minding your own business, checking out the cypress trees, and all of the sudden some local will take a bite and you and all your friends look at each other and say, "Did he just eat that farking thing?"
2013-10-14 01:15:19 PM
1 votes:

the_rev: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

$50 per month withheld from their allowance until the debt was paid.


Sounds fair enough to me.
2013-10-14 01:12:13 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?


Not American, but I would presume that future benefits payments would reflect the overspending on this particular transaction.  It's not like you actually got given more money, you just knowingly spent money that wasn't yours. Here in Canada, you wouldn't get a dime more in support until you were squared up with the government.  I presume it would work much the same for you guys.  It's like getting a misprinted cheque with a few more zeros on it than intended.  It doesn't make the money yours in any way, shape, or form.

 I'm not sure that these fine folks thought their cunning plan all the way through, though.
2013-10-14 01:06:43 PM
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Fear not, the right-wing social media Poutrage Machine is already fully engaged.
2013-10-14 12:18:57 PM
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Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)


And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?
2013-10-14 12:17:17 PM
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I am especially outraged because the fruit and vegetable section remained untouched!
 
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