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(CBS News)   So you're shopping at Walmart only to discover that your EBT card no longer has a limit. What do you do? Probably something like this   (cbsnews.com) divider line 256
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2013-10-14 11:43:54 AM  
Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)
 
2013-10-14 11:54:54 AM  

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.


Yeah.
 
2013-10-14 12:03:07 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Yeah.


Nothing like looting with an ID

/your clever plan...
 
2013-10-14 12:07:11 PM  
Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."


I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.
 
2013-10-14 12:10:08 PM  
Yeah, great day until you get that huge bill from the state.  Then what are you going to do?

/Oh yeah, right.
 
2013-10-14 12:17:17 PM  
I am especially outraged because the fruit and vegetable section remained untouched!
 
2013-10-14 12:18:57 PM  

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)


And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?
 
2013-10-14 12:45:53 PM  

Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?


$50 per month withheld from their allowance until the debt was paid.
 
2013-10-14 01:06:43 PM  
Fear not, the right-wing social media Poutrage Machine is already fully engaged.
 
2013-10-14 01:12:13 PM  

Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?


Not American, but I would presume that future benefits payments would reflect the overspending on this particular transaction.  It's not like you actually got given more money, you just knowingly spent money that wasn't yours. Here in Canada, you wouldn't get a dime more in support until you were squared up with the government.  I presume it would work much the same for you guys.  It's like getting a misprinted cheque with a few more zeros on it than intended.  It doesn't make the money yours in any way, shape, or form.

 I'm not sure that these fine folks thought their cunning plan all the way through, though.
 
2013-10-14 01:15:19 PM  

the_rev: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

$50 per month withheld from their allowance until the debt was paid.


Sounds fair enough to me.
 
2013-10-14 01:29:40 PM  

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.


Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.
 
2013-10-14 01:37:34 PM  
"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA.

I support this decision on environmental grounds. I've spent some time in LA, and I know that if those people didn't get their Cheerios and Tyson chicken from Walmart, they'd be eating whatever they found in the swamps, most of which is still pending identification by science. Those farkers will eat anything. They don't care how many legs or eyes or what have you some creature's got, if it moves, they'll chase it down and pop it in their mouths. Or mix it with some raw sewage and call it some kind of soup. It's fascinating watching a Louisianan eat. You're minding your own business, checking out the cypress trees, and all of the sudden some local will take a bite and you and all your friends look at each other and say, "Did he just eat that farking thing?"
 
2013-10-14 01:39:10 PM  
When DFAS overpays someone in the military, they just withhold pay until the ledger is balanced.  Of course, EBT is handled by the states so I don't know if they'd go about it the same way, but it would be fair.  After all, it isn't like they "earned" the money in the first place.
 
2013-10-14 01:49:42 PM  
"Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families, because we knew they could never be held accountable and we wanted to get ours from the government teat as well" Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."


FTFT.
 
2013-10-14 01:57:48 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"



The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.
 
2013-10-14 01:58:12 PM  
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2013-10-14 01:58:33 PM  
How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.
 
2013-10-14 02:00:15 PM  

Spad31: Done in one.

But...SHHHHH! Don't dare mention the demographics!

Makes liberals uncomfortable.



A state with a Republican governor abuses government benefits, big surprise.
 
2013-10-14 02:00:18 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.


Yes, let's blame Wal Mart. It dressed provocatively so it was asking for it.
 
2013-10-14 02:00:33 PM  

the_rev: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

$50 per month withheld from their allowance until the debt was paid.


How dare you treat them like children.
 
2013-10-14 02:01:02 PM  

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)


Can't argue with this.
 
2013-10-14 02:02:05 PM  

Therion: Fear not, the right-wing social media Poutrage Machine is already fully engaged.


So's the left-wing 'make excuses for the perps' and 'blame Wal Mart' factory.
 
2013-10-14 02:02:14 PM  
Unlimited bacon?  Yeah, I'd be tempted.  Good thing the food stamp cards can't be used for alcohol or there would have been a run on crappy American macrobrews.
 
2013-10-14 02:02:26 PM  

unyon: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

Not American, but I would presume that future benefits payments would reflect the overspending on this particular transaction.  It's not like you actually got given more money, you just knowingly spent money that wasn't yours. Here in Canada, you wouldn't get a dime more in support until you were squared up with the government.  I presume it would work much the same for you guys.  It's like getting a misprinted cheque with a few more zeros on it than intended.  It doesn't make the money yours in any way, shape, or form.

 I'm not sure that these fine folks thought their cunning plan all the way through, though.


This. The EBT cards will not work until there is a positive balance on them. These folks will have to continue to file for benefits each week as usual, until the balance is repaid.
 
2013-10-14 02:02:40 PM  
Wal Mart didn't profit? I'm sure they did.
 
2013-10-14 02:02:44 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.


Why not both?
 
2013-10-14 02:03:26 PM  
Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

Good thing corporations are only  considered people for the good shiat, that seems almost like they are part of the scam knowingly making profits off this.
 
2013-10-14 02:03:32 PM  

bearded clamorer: The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.


I'm guessing that this is the cash benefit side of the EBT account that was f'd up.  SNAP is already restricted as you describe, but there is a cash benefit amount that is supposed to fill in the gaps for purchases at places that don't accept EBT.  I'm not defending the program, just describing it, although I think that food stamps in general is a very good thing to have available.

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.


Perhaps they just use it like a gift card, swipe it for whatever's left on it and pay the rest out of pocket?  Except this time they just kept working.
 
2013-10-14 02:04:11 PM  
so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?
 
2013-10-14 02:04:12 PM  

Spad31: But...SHHHHH! Don't dare mention the demographics!


Poor white trash?
 
2013-10-14 02:04:49 PM  
Heart warming story.  It feels good to help the needy.
 
2013-10-14 02:05:10 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.


I wonder if it could be argued that since Wal-Mart was aware of the situation and let unlimited EBT purchases continue, then Wal-Mart could be held liable for the overages?
 
2013-10-14 02:05:13 PM  

Headso: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

Good thing corporations are only  considered people for the good shiat, that seems almost like they are part of the scam knowingly making profits off this.


I'm the last person to defend WalMart but the people who thought they were getting "free money" are the ones to blame here.
 
2013-10-14 02:05:19 PM  

You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?


Hookers and cocaine would happen.
 
2013-10-14 02:08:04 PM  

NutWrench: Headso: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

Good thing corporations are only  considered people for the good shiat, that seems almost like they are part of the scam knowingly making profits off this.

I'm the last person to defend WalMart but the people who thought they were getting "free money" are the ones to blame here.


I think they are both equally to blame, walmart made a decision to knowingly steal this money just like the people making purchases.
 
2013-10-14 02:08:48 PM  

HooskerDoo: You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?

Hookers and cocaine would happen.


The bank would come looking for their money, and you'd go to jail.
 
2013-10-14 02:09:24 PM  

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)


And lose that benefit for life.  I'm here today because my parents got food stamps and such.  It's assholes like the people mentioned that give justification to people that want to get rid of the programs altogether.
 
2013-10-14 02:09:28 PM  

bearded clamorer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.


I thought they already did.

And what's wrong with steak?  You think poor people should never, ever eat red meat?  I mean, I can see that they shouldn't be able to buy prime striploins... but maybe make beef OK under a certain price per pound?  It just seems overly restrictive to me that all steak would be off the menu.  I can do wonders with round steak and a jacquard tenderizer.
 
2013-10-14 02:10:45 PM  

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.


Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"
 
2013-10-14 02:10:45 PM  

Headso: walmart made a decision to knowingly steal this money just like the people making purchases.


Here's the alternative headline if they'd suspended EBT purchases:

WalMart Denies Food to Poor People
 
2013-10-14 02:10:47 PM  
The Muthaship: Heart warming story.  It feels good to help the needy Greedy.


FTFY
 
2013-10-14 02:11:37 PM  
You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?

Before or after taxes?

// because with 1 million after taxes, plus the money I already had in there, I could disappear for a long long long long time.
 
2013-10-14 02:12:15 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: HooskerDoo: You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?

Hookers and cocaine would happen.

The bank would come looking for their money, and you'd go to jail.


My US bank?  My ATM card would be stolen, all of it spent or taken out in Canadian funds in another city before I could report it, and I'd follow all procedures for the bank's insurance.
 
2013-10-14 02:12:47 PM  

Headso: NutWrench: Headso: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

Good thing corporations are only  considered people for the good shiat, that seems almost like they are part of the scam knowingly making profits off this.

I'm the last person to defend WalMart but the people who thought they were getting "free money" are the ones to blame here.

I think they are both equally to blame, walmart made a decision to knowingly steal this money just like the people making purchases.


Rather than declining ALL the EBT cards out of hand, WalMart took a chance that some of the people using those cards were living within their means. It costs them nothing to let the transactions go through because any problem with the card's balance is between the customer and the state human resources agency.
 
2013-10-14 02:12:56 PM  

factoryconnection: bearded clamorer: The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I'm guessing that this is the cash benefit side of the EBT account that was f'd up.  SNAP is already restricted as you describe, but there is a cash benefit amount that is supposed to fill in the gaps for purchases at places that don't accept EBT.  I'm not defending the program, just describing it, although I think that food stamps in general is a very good thing to have available.

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Perhaps they just use it like a gift card, swipe it for whatever's left on it and pay the rest out of pocket?  Except this time they just kept working.


I don't think it is - they use that type of restriction to determine what stores can accept SNAP purchases (have to make more than half of their dollars from non-snack food items) but they don't restrict the users from buying nothing but chips and soda if that's what they want to spend their money on.

If I'm wrong - and I truly hope I am - can someone help me find the documentation saying that SNAP is more like WIC because I can't find it anywhere and that's depressing to me.
 
2013-10-14 02:14:23 PM  

The Muthaship: Headso: walmart made a decision to knowingly steal this money just like the people making purchases.

Here's the alternative headline if they'd suspended EBT purchases:

WalMart Denies Food to Poor People


there were already known glitches, even if you think it is ok for walmart to steal to avoid bad press they wouldn't have even gotten any.
 
2013-10-14 02:14:28 PM  
It's abundantly clear this was a false flag operation to make Real Americans from Louisiana out to be benefit-slurping parasites.

My theory is that this operation was coordinated by OFA in conjunction with MoveOn and the remnants of ACORN under the supervision of RV.
 
2013-10-14 02:14:56 PM  
Of course, when a billion dollar company like Haliburton does it the reaction is...meh what are ya gonna do?
 
2013-10-14 02:15:01 PM  

You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?


Send half to Planned Parenthood, the other half to Focus on the Family, then dare the bank to kindly ask for the donations back from one or the other.
 
2013-10-14 02:15:28 PM  
Amazing at how fast word got around.  Is there some kind of free thing phone tree?
 
2013-10-14 02:16:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: bearded clamorer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I thought they already did.

And what's wrong with steak?  You think poor people should never, ever eat red meat?  I mean, I can see that they shouldn't be able to buy prime striploins... but maybe make beef OK under a certain price per pound?  It just seems overly restrictive to me that all steak would be off the menu.  I can do wonders with round steak and a jacquard tenderizer.


I live in Illinois. Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

Don't have a problem with meat, just need to define what types of cuts are appropriate.
 
2013-10-14 02:18:48 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dr Jack Badofsky: HooskerDoo: You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?

Hookers and cocaine would happen.

The bank would come looking for their money, and you'd go to jail.

My US bank?  My ATM card would be stolen, all of it spent or taken out in Canadian funds in another city before I could report it, and I'd follow all procedures for the bank's insurance.


Best if luck to you on that, but I'm pretty sure they're gonna want (and get) that money back.
 
2013-10-14 02:20:50 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.


knowledge and intent, how does that work?
 
2013-10-14 02:21:35 PM  

You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?


This actually happened to a buddy of mine. For smaller amounts ("bank" small, not "you and me" small) the bank eats the difference. I imagine for a larger amount, the bank would prosecute. It is essentially the same as an NSF check.

By the way, when the bank eats it, the teller processing the transaction typically gets fired.
 
2013-10-14 02:22:06 PM  

hutchkc: And lose that benefit for life. I'm here today because my parents got food stamps and such. It's assholes like the people mentioned that give justification to people that want to get rid of the programs altogether.


Good christ, you self righteous prick, how do you know your parents didnt swap stamps for booze or some such, or just sold them outright for .50 on the dollar. They likely did, so fark you.
 
2013-10-14 02:22:31 PM  

Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?


Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.
 
2013-10-14 02:23:11 PM  
And I bet most of those people are under the impression that if the transaction went through, they get to keep the stuff without playing anything back because it wasn't their fault the card wasn't working right. And they'll be outraged when it gets deducted from future benefits, angry at the government for keeping their money and wailing about not being able to feed their children. And they will never understand that they spent their benefit money on crap.
 
2013-10-14 02:23:53 PM  

bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.


I can. Zero.
 
2013-10-14 02:24:41 PM  

The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.


Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.
 
2013-10-14 02:25:47 PM  

jpk_ks: factoryconnection: bearded clamorer: The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I'm guessing that this is the cash benefit side of the EBT account that was f'd up.  SNAP is already restricted as you describe, but there is a cash benefit amount that is supposed to fill in the gaps for purchases at places that don't accept EBT.  I'm not defending the program, just describing it, although I think that food stamps in general is a very good thing to have available.

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Perhaps they just use it like a gift card, swipe it for whatever's left on it and pay the rest out of pocket?  Except this time they just kept working.

I don't think it is - they use that type of restriction to determine what stores can accept SNAP purchases (have to make more than half of their dollars from non-snack food items) but they don't restrict the users from buying nothing but chips and soda if that's what they want to spend their money on.

If I'm wrong - and I truly hope I am - can someone help me find the documentation saying that SNAP is more like WIC because I can't find it anywhere and that's depressing to me.


It may vary by state but in IL when the person checks out the item has a code next to it if link will pay the item andnif not they have to pay cash. Its been a while but I remember soda candy and anything from the deli that was not prepackaged had to be cash payment
 
2013-10-14 02:26:47 PM  
If those people had any scruples those people wouldn't have taken advantage of the "glitch"
 
2013-10-14 02:27:51 PM  

The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.


It won't be as easy to prove as it is with walmart where it is on record that the line staff recognized a problem and called to ask what to do about it and then were told to assist the people scamming EBT.
 
2013-10-14 02:28:36 PM  

Madbassist1: I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.


I don't know how they work, but I'm betting the recipient is told what the monthly benefit is in writing (whether they read it or not is another matter).  That would be hard to overcome in court.
 
2013-10-14 02:30:38 PM  
This wouldn't be possible if you had to go stand in line to get your government commodities.  It's not like they're lacking in spare time.
 
2013-10-14 02:30:43 PM  

Headso: It won't be as easy to prove as it is with walmart where it is on record that the line staff recognized a problem and called to ask what to do about it and then were told to assist the people scamming EBT.


So they were supposed to stop all sales because there was a possible glitch?  I think that puts them in a tough spot.  Lots of the purchases were probably legitimate.

Of course, if they were letting big screen TVs and such go out, those transactions are going to look bad on them.
 
2013-10-14 02:31:37 PM  

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.


Sadly, you are wrong.
 
2013-10-14 02:31:40 PM  
Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.
 
2013-10-14 02:31:45 PM  

The Muthaship: Madbassist1: I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.

I don't know how they work, but I'm betting the recipient is told what the monthly benefit is in writing (whether they read it or not is another matter).  That would be hard to overcome in court.


We'll have to agree to disagree. How is the recipient told? by letter? By phone call? If its by phone, you might be on to something.
 
2013-10-14 02:32:52 PM  

bearded clamorer: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.

Sadly, you are wrong.


No I'm not.
 
2013-10-14 02:33:53 PM  

Madbassist1: How is the recipient told? by letter? By phone call? If its by phone, you might be on to something.


Yeah, I have no idea.  If the card comes in an envelope with the letter, I'd say they are screwed.  They may even have to sign something that outlines their benefit package.
 
2013-10-14 02:34:13 PM  

NutWrench: Headso: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

Good thing corporations are only  considered people for the good shiat, that seems almost like they are part of the scam knowingly making profits off this.

I'm the last person to defend WalMart but the people who thought they were getting "free money" are the ones to blame here.


This.

Walmart not accepting EBTs because of the glitch means that they have to refuse to sell to the legit shoppers who needed the food as well as hurt their own profits. All because someone else screwed up?
 
2013-10-14 02:34:21 PM  

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.


There are workaround that Ive seen with the rules of govt assistance programs. Two examples spring to mind:

1) You cant buy a fast food drink with it. So the clerk will tell them they cant ring it up and they can take the straw out or dont put the straw in at all and then its ok to buy.

2) You cant buy hot fast food. So instead of buying the warmed verson of the sandwich, there are cold ones you can buy and then warm it up. What the hell is the difference?

Has anyone else seen this?
 
2013-10-14 02:34:24 PM  

Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?


our tax dollars?
 
2013-10-14 02:34:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: bearded clamorer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I thought they already did.

And what's wrong with steak?  You think poor people should never, ever eat red meat?  I mean, I can see that they shouldn't be able to buy prime striploins... but maybe make beef OK under a certain price per pound?  It just seems overly restrictive to me that all steak would be off the menu.  I can do wonders with round steak and a jacquard tenderizer.


Not on EBT, but here's a trick my ex-sig other and I used for occasional 'steak'...
Try to get a roast that's been discounted for 'sell-by' date (they're marked down by one-third).
Cut against the grain into slices 3/4 to 1" thick. TA-DA!
Steak...and you only have to cook as much as needed...the rest can be frozen.
This works well if you're just cooking for yourself too...you're not stuck eating the same thing for 3-4 days in a row.

/ Grateful to have it at all...but variety is nice too...
 
2013-10-14 02:34:39 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: "We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA.

I support this decision on environmental grounds. I've spent some time in LA, and I know that if those people didn't get their Cheerios and Tyson chicken from Walmart, they'd be eating whatever they found in the swamps, most of which is still pending identification by science. Those farkers will eat anything. They don't care how many legs or eyes or what have you some creature's got, if it moves, they'll chase it down and pop it in their mouths. Or mix it with some raw sewage and call it some kind of soup. It's fascinating watching a Louisianan eat. You're minding your own business, checking out the cypress trees, and all of the sudden some local will take a bite and you and all your friends look at each other and say, "Did he just eat that farking thing?"


This made me giggle!
 
2013-10-14 02:35:03 PM  

You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?


You would get convicted and sent to jail.
 
2013-10-14 02:38:04 PM  

Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.


That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/nyregion/in-obesity-fight-poverty-i s -patient-zero.html?_r=0"
 
2013-10-14 02:38:39 PM  

HooskerDoo: You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?

Hookers and cocaine would happen.


I was thinking cash and a plane ticket East.  Your plan B works too though.
 
2013-10-14 02:39:10 PM  
This has happened at least once or maybe twice before.  I know one time I personally saw people doing the 'Supermarket Sweep' just going down the aisles.  I have no idea what actually happened, but a couple of people managed to get out the door with 2-3 shopping carts full of random groceries.  When I say groceries I mean shiat like 2 carts of pork rinds 1 cart of 24 packs of Diet Coke, with a small bag of generic Cheerios crammed under all the soda.  Yeah, it came out that the people that spent all that money actually spent it out of their accounts, which was suddenly allowed to go negative for a few hours, and yeah they biatched about it when they didn't have any balance on the card for two months.
 
2013-10-14 02:39:28 PM  
I'm guessing it was honor the EBT cards or have a full scale violent riot.

BTW Did they leave any Heineken on the shelves?
 
2013-10-14 02:39:54 PM  
Some poor people got away with something?

Well, we certainly can't have that.
 
2013-10-14 02:40:38 PM  

Masta Kronix: That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.


I bet they cleaned out the healthy stuff while money was no object then, right?
 
2013-10-14 02:43:17 PM  
In light of the EBT shutdown which preceded this, I think it's possible we don't have the full story here. And it may in fact be a hoax.

/facebook photo of empty shelves?
 
2013-10-14 02:43:32 PM  

maniacbastard: You would get convicted and sent to jail.


Those comments are rather entertaining.
 
2013-10-14 02:43:50 PM  

the_rev: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

$50 per month withheld from their allowance until the debt was paid.


With interest.
 
2013-10-14 02:44:20 PM  

Masta Kronix: Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.

That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/nyregion/in-obesity-fight-poverty-i s -patient-zero.html?_r=0"


Yep when I started my diet and lost 150 pounds my food budget dubbled but I get home with fewer bags of food. But there are some cheap and healthy options if you know what to look for and dont mind eating the same thing every day for a week
 
2013-10-14 02:44:45 PM  

MilesTeg: I'm guessing it was honor the EBT cards or have a full scale violent riot.

BTW Did they leave any Heineken on the shelves?


I live in Louisiana. I had to run to the grocery store on Saturday and staff were at the front advising everyone they were only accepting debit, credit, cash and checks (i.e. no SNAP or EBT), and there was no trouble that I could see. And this was in New Orleans where a huge segment of the population is on public assistance.
 
2013-10-14 02:45:05 PM  
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2013-10-14 02:45:53 PM  
And now a lot of these guys have 20 pounds of steaks in their fridges, which will start going bad in a week because there's no room left in the freezer. Food they'll have to throw out pretty soon (or resell quickly as soon as they figure this out). And a useless food card for the next couple of months, as well.
 
2013-10-14 02:46:50 PM  
Walmart could have said no transactions will be processed until this bug has been worked out, or at least allow discretion or limits on transaction totals. Instead while fully aware of the issue, they decided to let orders process.

Yes there should be some responsibility on those who chose to take advantage of the situation, but Walmart is hardly innocent here. They also have more means to pay for it as well.
 
2013-10-14 02:48:02 PM  

bearded clamorer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.


Part of the problem with the WIC program (at least in Indiana) is that it gives a wasteful amount of the staples.  One of my coworkers in grad school had WIC for his wife and 2 kids and got so much milk and cereal that it was what he ate for dinner most days.  They were hurting for money since they made $22k before taxes for a family of 4 so they took all the assistance they could, but it would have been much more reasonable if they could buy regular food along with the milk and cereal.  There should be no problems with ANY raw food whether it is steak and shrimp or beans and rice.  I have even heard people complaining about the price of chicken when they could simply buy a whole chicken and feed their family for $6.
 
2013-10-14 02:49:28 PM  
They're all gonna be upset when they realize they're going to have to pay it back.

The system is like that. I was on SSI before getting on Disability. When Disability started, I got one SSI check a few days after. Shortly after that, Social Security sent me a letter, demanding the check or equal funds returned to them or they would subtract the amount from my next Disability check.

I returned it.

When my Uncle passed, I was his executor. The lawyer I used froze his accounts pending settling everything. A social security check arrived for my Uncle and it had to be sent back, or Social Security would deduct it from his bank account and/or his estate or make me responsible (as his executor) for repaying.

The Government, in the Social Assistance System, doesn't like loosing money.

Due to a glitch, I once got overpaid a few bucks with Disability -- and they took it back out of the next check.

These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.

Either that, or they'll simply decrease your allotment by $50 or so each 'recharge' until the debt is paid.

You'd think folks would learn. FARK has had many stories of people who, upon discovering a bank error gave them a huge amount of money in their accounts, promptly went and spent it -- only to be sued into paying it back and/or winding up in court for theft.

Then there was the money Order/check scam. Someone would get a check in the mail, with a note telling them to cash it, send a small portion back to the sender and keep the rest for their trouble. Naturally, they did -- the check bounced and they had to repay the amount. Some, being 'clever' suckered friends into cashing the check, knowing it would take a day or two for the bank to verify it. Then the friend would get hit with the charges, who, supposedly, would escape legal problems by having been duped.

Doesn't work that way. Everyone involved gets dragged into court. Except the original sender, who is usually in Africa.

It always amuses me when I see these folks in court, defending their actions for basically stealing money and thoroughly pi$$ed off that they have to pay it back. That's what's going to happen here. Those EBT users will be OUTRAGED that they have to pay the money back and out will come the race card.
 
2013-10-14 02:49:31 PM  

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-10-14 02:51:20 PM  
www.natgeocreative.com
 
2013-10-14 02:52:40 PM  

DrewFL: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell Obama-phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"


/FTFE
 
2013-10-14 02:53:19 PM  

cardex: Masta Kronix: Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.

That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/nyregion/in-obesity-fight-poverty-i s -patient-zero.html?_r=0"

Yep when I started my diet and lost 150 pounds my food budget dubbled but I get home with fewer bags of food. But there are some cheap and healthy options if you know what to look for and dont mind eating the same thing every day for a week


i think the only way to eat on the cheap is fall in love with rice and beans (the kind that you soak overnight, not the kind in a can).  and, on a real luxurious day, maybe some potatoes.
 
2013-10-14 02:53:26 PM  
how about this, "$50 or $100 limit on all EBT purchases while the system is down"
 
2013-10-14 02:53:30 PM  

Rik01: These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.


It's almost as if thinking things through isn't a cornerstone of poor swamp trash culture.
 
2013-10-14 02:55:27 PM  

Dafatone: Some poor people got away with something?

Well, we certainly can't have that.


It should be nice and legal like when Uncle Sam giving banks money at no interest over the last several years. Same taxpayer screw job but legal.
 
2013-10-14 02:57:16 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: "We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA.

I support this decision on environmental grounds. I've spent some time in LA, and I know that if those people didn't get their Cheerios and Tyson chicken from Walmart, they'd be eating whatever they found in the swamps, most of which is still pending identification by science. Those farkers will eat anything. They don't care how many legs or eyes or what have you some creature's got, if it moves, they'll chase it down and pop it in their mouths. Or mix it with some raw sewage and call it some kind of soup. It's fascinating watching a Louisianan eat. You're minding your own business, checking out the cypress trees, and all of the sudden some local will take a bite and you and all your friends look at each other and say, "Did he just eat that farking thing?"


you are crazy, cajun food is the best food on the planet

/you sound skinny
 
2013-10-14 02:57:29 PM  

cardex: Yep when I started my diet and lost 150 pounds my food budget dubbled but I get home with fewer bags of food. But there are some cheap and healthy options if you know what to look for and dont mind eating the same thing every day for a week


True there are other options available but when you take into account all the others issues people and families face when living in poverty, it's understandable why they don't prioritize spending extra time and money figuring out how to eat more healthy foods with the little money they have.
 
2013-10-14 02:58:24 PM  

The Billdozer: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.

There are workaround that Ive seen with the rules of govt assistance programs. Two examples spring to mind:

1) You cant buy a fast food drink with it. So the clerk will tell them they cant ring it up and they can take the straw out or dont put the straw in at all and then its ok to buy.

2) You cant buy hot fast food. So instead of buying the warmed verson of the sandwich, there are cold ones you can buy and then warm it up. What the hell is the difference?

Has anyone else seen this?



I worked in a grocery store years ago, the two that I saw all the time were 1) buying something like unsweetened kool-aid packets for $.08, paying with a $1 food stamp and getting the change.  Often someone would do this 20+ times, asking for each packet to be rung up separately and 2) buying multiple bottles of NyQuill and kool-aid, which were mixed together to get drunk/high.
 
2013-10-14 02:59:01 PM  

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.


Is there a website that they can check their balance on?
 
2013-10-14 03:00:34 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Rik01: These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.

It's almost as if thinking things through isn't a cornerstone of poor swamp trash culture.


Counterpoint, it's almost as if a lack of education and being taught critical thinking skills allows people to make decisions that seem stupid/borderline retarded to those of us who had the luxury of an education worth a damn.

It's not that people are born "poor swamp trash culture" it's that they are born into a "poor swamp trash culture" and don't know any better. Educate somebody and watch how quickly they change.
 
2013-10-14 03:01:17 PM  

GanjSmokr: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Is there a website that they can check their balance on?


There should be a toll-free number on the back of the card that lets you find out the balance.
 
2013-10-14 03:03:24 PM  

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.

Sadly, you are wrong.

No I'm not.


Don't want to argue with you.
Here you go:

https://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=30357

What services are offered?

SNAP benefits can be used to buy:

any food or food product for human consumption,
seeds and plants for use in home gardens to produce food.

SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:

Hot foods ready to eat,
Food intended to be heated in the store,
Lunch counter items or foods to be eaten in the store,
Vitamins or medicines,
Pet foods,
Any nonfood items (except seeds and plants),
Alcoholic beverages,
Tobacco

 
2013-10-14 03:04:04 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Rik01: These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.

It's almost as if thinking things through isn't a cornerstone of poor swamp trash culture.


honestly even though it seems bad, in order to avoid possible violence and rioting in this particular location it does seem like they made the best decision and err'd on the side of caution and simply said let them have food.  It is one day of the year and you can be sure they'll make up for it with or without state assistance.  They can always write off the cost as a "donation" of some kind.

This was a win-win situation for Wal-Mart to let them have food.  If they hadn't allowed them to make purchases you can bet there would be a lot more shiatty press...possible looting and violence.  The entitlement mentality can get dangerous very quickly.  Things tend to escalate.  quickly.  I see what I did there.
 
2013-10-14 03:04:11 PM  

NutWrench: GanjSmokr: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Is there a website that they can check their balance on?

There should be a toll-free number on the back of the card that lets you find out the balance.


That should take care of that whole accountability issue...
 
2013-10-14 03:04:45 PM  
 I can believe that the EBT users lack the common sense or morals to do the right thing, knowing full well they weren't entitled to loot a Wal-Mart freely because of a system error. That's not the surprising part.


However I can't believe there were enough people with EBT cards shopping that particular evening to cause that kind of result. That's a lot of farking people and it's shameful.
 
2013-10-14 03:09:22 PM  

The Muthaship: So they were supposed to stop all sales because there was a possible glitch?  I think that puts them in a tough spot.  Lots of the purchases were probably legitimate.



All of the stores (including Walmart) around me had "No EBT transactions" signs on the doors.  I didn't see Jesse Jackson or Rev Al anywhere around because of that.

/requiring people to check EBT card balances is racist.
 
2013-10-14 03:11:22 PM  

Mr. Breeze:  I can believe that the EBT users lack the common sense or morals to do the right thing, knowing full well they weren't entitled to loot a Wal-Mart freely because of a system error. That's not the surprising part.


However I can't believe there were enough people with EBT cards shopping that particular evening to cause that kind of result. That's a lot of farking people and it's shameful.


Either it's in a bad side of town, or everyone had to tell their friends. No way a ton of people found out by accident
 
2013-10-14 03:11:41 PM  
This weekend I was flipping around and I thought I saw a cooking show. It was on Fox, some 20something had a lobster on his grill and talking about how he was using EBT until he became a rockstar. They paraded out more people that were probaly scamming the system and used this as a case to cut the whole program. Just kinda rolled my eyes and changed the channel.


My company had a smilar problem to this when they used ADP, thats the first problem. Every now and then for whatever reason we would recieve double pay and our managers would get us all together and tell us that we got double pay and not to go crazy because it would be fixed monday. We would be asked if we understood, say yes and sign a form. There was always at least one idiot that went on a shopping spree. The last time it was this woman and when she spent it all she only got paid half as much for the next 2 pay periods and boy did she cry about that.
 
2013-10-14 03:12:02 PM  
I am just amazed at how this went from person 1 realizing there was no limit on the EBT card to the point where many people were in the know and in a position to exploit the glitch..

Of course, that fascination does not override the fact that what they did was theft pure and simple.
 
2013-10-14 03:12:45 PM  
Here's a news report with some of the video.

Still can't find the raw video though.
 
2013-10-14 03:12:58 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: The Muthaship: So they were supposed to stop all sales because there was a possible glitch?  I think that puts them in a tough spot.  Lots of the purchases were probably legitimate.


All of the stores (including Walmart) around me had "No EBT transactions" signs on the doors.  I didn't see Jesse Jackson or Rev Al anywhere around because of that.

/requiring people to check EBT card balances is racist.


limits on EBT cards is racist
 
2013-10-14 03:14:20 PM  
Timmy the Tumor:


I worked in a grocery store years ago, the two that I saw all the time were 1) buying something like unsweetened kool-aid packets for $.08, paying with a $1 food stamp and getting the change.  Often someone would do this 20+ times, asking for each packet to be rung up separately and 2) buying multiple bottles of NyQuill and kool-aid, which were mixed together to get drunk/high.

Since I just watched a show about "Lean" and how it's made I know you aren't making this up.  Still, just reading that makes my stomach curl into a ball and try to hide behind my liver.

*shudder*
 
2013-10-14 03:15:24 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: EBT cards is racist


Get you hands off my hard earned paycheck.

Earn your own.
 
2013-10-14 03:21:03 PM  

Rik01: The Government, in the Social Assistance System, doesn't like losing money.


Yeah, just $17,000,000,000,000 of it. If it's from the government, it's all social assistance.
 
2013-10-14 03:21:15 PM  
Just pay it back?? YO (I mean 'you') mean as if they were police or gov. thieves?  At the very minimum they should lose the damned things until every bit is paid back along with a reasonable fine of at least 25% of what they stole. I would think community service of 100 hours to get them the hell off their ass and do something constructive - since they were obviously able to get their happy asses around the store and steal as much as possible - would be called for!
 
2013-10-14 03:21:43 PM  

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.


They were only Freshmen.
 
2013-10-14 03:23:26 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-14 03:23:28 PM  
ive said it over and over again...

lousyana cant have nice things.
 
2013-10-14 03:24:34 PM  

Masta Kronix: That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.


Jogging costs so much money!
 
2013-10-14 03:25:31 PM  

cardex: Yep when I started my diet and lost 150 pounds my food budget dubbled but I get home with fewer bags of food. But there are some cheap and healthy options if you know what to look for and dont mind eating the same thing every day for a week


Mine usually goes from the $450-$600 per month range to the $120-$180 per month range.  It's expensive to feed myself junk.
 
2013-10-14 03:29:07 PM  

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.


A balance shows up on the bottom of the receipt. If the balance shows $1,000,000.00 after you spent your last $5 on something, you'd know.

It's just like the miracle of the widow's oil in the bible. This was an act of God, ya'll.
 
2013-10-14 03:29:18 PM  
Kind of gives Black Friday a new meaning.
 
2013-10-14 03:29:55 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.


Anybody who did this would do exactly what either of you would do if you woke up and saw your bank account read... ONE BILLION DOLLARS!
 
2013-10-14 03:30:38 PM  

Madbassist1: hutchkc: And lose that benefit for life. I'm here today because my parents got food stamps and such. It's assholes like the people mentioned that give justification to people that want to get rid of the programs altogether.

Good christ, you self righteous prick, how do you know your parents didnt swap stamps for booze or some such, or just sold them outright for .50 on the dollar. They likely did, so fark you.



Maybe I am a self-righteous prick, but I have no sympathy for people that knowing abuse the system.  Food stamps/pantries hold a special spot for me as that's how we had food as a kid.  Many people need those things and watching someone abuse it really makes me upset.

There are many people that wish to get rid of social programs and this is more fodder for them on abuses.  It will be used as another example of freeloaders and put more cuts into their budget so it helps even less people than now.

The amount is very small and you can't even buy certain necessary items like TP.  So with these people filling up multiple carts they obviously knew something was amiss, which is why they abandoned their carts when it was said the issue was fixed.  Which tells me they had intent to steal/defraud/whatever from the system and thus should not be allowed to use the system.
 
2013-10-14 03:32:21 PM  

Madbassist1: CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.

knowledge and intent, how does that work?


I'd say when you have your cart piled 6 ft high and that isn't your regular monthly purchase you are showing knowledge and intent. You know that your ccard has a monthly spending limit. If you load up with disregard for that limit, you knew what you were doing.

When wal mart announced that the cards were working correctly again those people ditched their overloaded carts.
 
2013-10-14 03:32:49 PM  

reubendaley: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

They were only Freshmen.


Ok that made me laugh. Havent heard that song in a while.
 
2013-10-14 03:36:18 PM  

bluorangefyre: CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.

Anybody who did this would do exactly what either of you would do if you woke up and saw your bank account read... ONE BILLION DOLLARS!


Are you saying that you think everyone, upon seeing that they had a $1,000,000,000 bank error in their favor, would go spend it as fast as they could??
 
2013-10-14 03:36:24 PM  

hutchkc: The amount is very small and you can't even buy certain necessary items like TP.


I never use toilet paper.  If you think toilet paper is necessary, your hygiene must be terrible and you need to keep your diseased ass away from me.

/Paper towels are necessary because everyone knows you need to wipe your hands off with a paper towel before you prepare dinner, especially if you've been handling raw manure.
 
2013-10-14 03:37:45 PM  

TDBoedy: Magnanimous_J: Rik01: These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.

It's almost as if thinking things through isn't a cornerstone of poor swamp trash culture.

honestly even though it seems bad, in order to avoid possible violence and rioting in this particular location it does seem like they made the best decision and err'd on the side of caution and simply said let them have food.  It is one day of the year and you can be sure they'll make up for it with or without state assistance.  They can always write off the cost as a "donation" of some kind.

This was a win-win situation for Wal-Mart to let them have food.  If they hadn't allowed them to make purchases you can bet there would be a lot more shiatty press...possible looting and violence.  The entitlement mentality can get dangerous very quickly.  Things tend to escalate.  quickly.  I see what I did there.


Totally. Even though Wal Mart might have pocketed a few grand out of the chaos, the real win was the amount of damage and injuries that DIDN'T occur due to riot.


Masta Kronix: Counterpoint, it's almost as if a lack of education and being taught critical thinking skills allows people to make decisions that seem stupid/borderline retarded to those of us who had the luxury of an education worth a damn.



You don't need a good education to understand consequences. Even the dog learns to stop harassing porcupines after the third time he gets a nose full of quills. It's accountability. And not to the government either. If any other members of this community had said "What the hell are you doing? You are acting like inbred swamp trash and making us all look horrible." But in America we've decided that shame is an obsolete concept. No shame in Trustafarians getting on EBT and buying lobster jerky; no shame in letting your toddler eat Cup Noodles every night because you just installed a 3000 dollar stereo in a 1000 dollar car; No shame in leaving the house looking like shiat; no shame in cheating on your wife; no shame in letting yourself get fat; no shame in anything. A good education and opportunities are crucial for underserved communities, but class is free.
 
2013-10-14 03:41:28 PM  

Magnanimous_J: lobster jerky


Is there such a thing?  I was somewhat excited after reading those words together but disappointed after a quick Google search.
 
2013-10-14 03:42:23 PM  

Madbassist1: The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.

Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.


Yeah, bullshiat.  Dozens of people suddenly show up and start filling up multiple shopping carts with food right after the glitch shows up, emptying Walmart's shelves in the process...and you think they were just doing their weekly shopping?

...and when Walmart got on the loudspeaker and announced that the glitch was fixed, people abandoned their overflowing shopping carts in the aisles and quickly left the store because they all just remembered that the season premier of The Walking Dead was coming on soon?
 
2013-10-14 03:43:05 PM  
Due to Walmarts complicity in being an accessory to food stamps debit card fraud, Governor Piyush Jindal will personally cut off all food stamps for the month of November.

/hope you got yours.

//emergency rations of adult diapers will be provided to card carrying republicans/teahadists, during the month of November as a way to say thank you for getting yours.
 
2013-10-14 03:43:40 PM  
No shame in relying on anecdotes to decide the working poor don't deserve that whopping $1.47 per meal.
 
2013-10-14 03:45:33 PM  
But it still beats the Discover card?
 
2013-10-14 03:47:08 PM  

bearded clamorer: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.

Sadly, you are wrong.

No I'm not.

Don't want to argue with you.
Here you go:

https://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=30357

What services are offered?

SNAP benefits can be used to buy:

any food or food product for human consumption,
seeds and plants for use in home gardens to produce food.

SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:

Hot foods ready to eat,
Food intended to be heated in the store,
Lunch counter items or foods to be eaten in the store,
Vitamins or medicines,
Pet foods,
Any nonfood items (except seeds and plants),
Alcoholic beverages,
Tobacco


I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.
 
2013-10-14 03:47:36 PM  

Mr. Breeze: However I can't believe there were enough people with EBT cards shopping that particular evening to cause that kind of result. That's a lot of farking people and it's shameful.


Makes you wonder how many of them were friends/family with the Walmart employees and got a phone call, "Hey, y'all gots ta get down heah!"

Walmart has a shameful number of employees on some form of public assistance.
 
2013-10-14 03:47:44 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Madbassist1: The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.

Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.

Yeah, bullshiat.  Dozens of people suddenly show up and start filling up multiple shopping carts with food right after the glitch shows up, emptying Walmart's shelves in the process...and you think they were just doing their weekly shopping?

...and when Walmart got on the loudspeaker and announced that the glitch was fixed, people abandoned their overflowing shopping carts in the aisles and quickly left the store because they all just remembered that the season premier of The Walking Dead was coming on soon?


Prove it.

/see how that works?
 
2013-10-14 03:50:05 PM  
bluefoxicy:
/Paper towels are necessary because everyone knows you need to wipe your hands off with a paper towel before you prepare dinner, especially if you've been handling raw manure.


No, no, just NO ... pants legs are for post poo washing, shirt for everything else :)
 
2013-10-14 03:50:30 PM  
Ha, DFCS just announced that the stores are gonna have to eat the losses. Too bad, so sad. Suck it, Waltons.

Hopefully they won't uh... crawfish.
 
2013-10-14 03:51:28 PM  

GanjSmokr: Magnanimous_J: lobster jerky

Is there such a thing?  I was somewhat excited after reading those words together but disappointed after a quick Google search.


I googled for an appropriate picture or gif and came up with this:

i450.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-14 03:51:28 PM  

Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.


Why would you say that?
 
2013-10-14 03:53:37 PM  

Madbassist1: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Madbassist1: The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.

Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.

Yeah, bullshiat.  Dozens of people suddenly show up and start filling up multiple shopping carts with food right after the glitch shows up, emptying Walmart's shelves in the process...and you think they were just doing their weekly shopping?

...and when Walmart got on the loudspeaker and announced that the glitch was fixed, people abandoned their overflowing shopping carts in the aisles and quickly left the store because they all just remembered that the season premier of The Walking Dead was coming on soon?

Prove it.

/see how that works?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7cmmCYJ4eo

All those full carts were left because so many people simultaneously realized they needed to be at the gym within the next half hour.  Or something like that.  Definitely not because people were trying to game the system while it was down.  Nope.
 
2013-10-14 03:53:41 PM  

bearded clamorer: Why would you say that?


Because you aren't in the same room as him.
 
2013-10-14 03:55:57 PM  

Towermonkey: Ha, DFCS just announced that the stores are gonna have to eat the losses. Too bad, so sad. Suck it, Waltons.

Hopefully they won't uh... crawfish.


I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2013-10-14 03:57:19 PM  
Madbassist1:
Prove it.

Falls under the admissibility of circumstantial evidence in court.  A reasonable person would chain all of this shiat together and assume you would have to be bat shiat retarded to not conclude that these people were taking advantage of the system by intent.  Sudden habiatchanges like significant excessive spending would indicate cognizance of a situational deviation.
 
2013-10-14 03:57:40 PM  
this happened at work the other day(grocery store).  EBT customers suddenly have unlimited money, they start splurging on things so far outside their normal buying habits it was sick. Cigarettes, candy, 3.2 beer(blue state), electronics, phones.  Why would one person need 4 phones?  cartons and cartons of cigarettes.  Pulling all the cash they can off their cards.  Wiped out my drawer, and they were lining up for more.  There were the few who didn't try to take advantage of the system, but on the whole, they took and took as much as they could.  I work in a semi-ghetto location.  It is not a question of skin color, it is a matter of culture.  I overheard on the bus one woman talking on the phone about getting some new phones with all this welfare money coming her way.  You are on the phone, why do you need another?  It is a culture of greed, of "gimme gimme."  No bills were paid.  It was all about, "How do I get mine?"

/manager called an end to it relatively quickly, but the masses are a sickening sight once they get a taste of blood in the water
//WIC program, on the other hand, is shut down during the shutdown, so the women, infants and children who need the most help are the ones who are left out in the cold
 
2013-10-14 03:58:13 PM  

bearded clamorer: Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.

Why would you say that?


because you are. Think about it. You're standing in line at a gas station, as you claim. It isn't like a grocery store where you have a peripheral view. You really have to work to see just what plastic is being used. In a grocery store, sure you can see if you invade someones space, but a gas station? Nah. Also most cashiers wont take plastic from kids.
 
2013-10-14 03:58:31 PM  

Joe Blowme: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

our tax dollars?


Yup.

It's (not) amazing to me how many farkers tried to hang the blame on wal-mart for this.

Company says, "System is down but we'll trust you to do the right thing."

Scum of the earth immediately loot store.

Farkers defend scum.

Proving once again that no good deed goes unpunished.
 
2013-10-14 03:58:57 PM  
URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"

Really? Not only do they farkin' HAVE cell phones, I'm betting that they have the latest and BEST cellphones available. Not to mention hung with bling and the baby momas all have their nails done while the baby daddys are sporting the latest brand new Nikes. Trust me...I see it all the time in the medical profession. They're on Medicare and Medicaid and dress better than those of us with jobs!
 
2013-10-14 04:00:50 PM  

bluorangefyre: CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.

Anybody who did this would do exactly what either of you would do if you woke up and saw your bank account read... ONE BILLION DOLLARS!


Knowing how these things work (read: US gov/corp/politics) I would go to the bank and get it investigated, or in writing that it's mine. Not going to risk years in prison and/or fines for some purchases I'll only enjoy for a few days before getting caught.
 
2013-10-14 04:01:11 PM  

NutWrench: GanjSmokr: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Is there a website that they can check their balance on?

There should be a toll-free number on the back of the card that lets you find out the balance.


Since I stood behind a few of these, I know that any register that can take EBT can display the current balance or print out a register tape showing the balance.

"NO!  Dis izzit right!  Call Frank at Social Security!  He said I gots $200 on dat card!  You jus' tryin'' to cheat me!  This izzit fair!"

or

"Oh.  Dat's okay.  Try dis one."  She opens her wallet and pulls out another EBT card and there are two more in the wallet.
 
2013-10-14 04:05:45 PM  

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.

Why would you say that?

because you are. Think about it. You're standing in line at a gas station, as you claim. It isn't like a grocery store where you have a peripheral view. You really have to work to see just what plastic is being used. In a grocery store, sure you can see if you invade someones space, but a gas station? Nah. Also most cashiers wont take plastic from kids.


If I'm inside a gas station, with one clerk, standing right behind a couple of kids buying candy and soda with a Link card, I can't see what's going on?
Yeah, and no immigrant gas station owner would ever make that kind of transaction....

You're an idiot.

/Tagged as such
 
2013-10-14 04:06:30 PM  

sheep snorter: Due to Walmarts complicity in being an accessory to food stamps debit card fraud, Governor Piyush Jindal will personally cut off all food stamps for the month of November.

/hope you got yours.

//emergency rations of adult diapers will be provided to card carrying republicans/teahadists, during the month of November as a way to say thank you for getting yours.


Somehow i dont think the thieves were teaparty or Gop, but keep huffinig that paint, its doing wonders for your retardation
 
2013-10-14 04:07:30 PM  
Wal-mart made a killing off of this, I've always said, they only need to be open about 2 days a month.
 
2013-10-14 04:07:41 PM  

bluefoxicy: Masta Kronix: That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.

Jogging costs so much money!


Try eating cheap, filler food for several months and see how long you can keep an exercise regimen going.
 
2013-10-14 04:10:06 PM  
OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.
 
2013-10-14 04:12:06 PM  

Mr. Breeze:  I can believe that the EBT users lack the common sense or morals to do the right thing, knowing full well they weren't entitled to loot a Wal-Mart freely because of a system error. That's not the surprising part.


However I can't believe there were enough people with EBT cards shopping that particular evening to cause that kind of result. That's a lot of farking people and it's shameful.


Yes - it is.
 
2013-10-14 04:12:45 PM  

The Muthaship: bearded clamorer: Why would you say that?

Because you aren't in the same room as him.


You got that right.
 
2013-10-14 04:14:19 PM  
Meanwhile, Goldman Sachs gets off scot-free.
 
2013-10-14 04:16:16 PM  
Xerox, which hosts some of the infrastructure used by the EBT card system, told KSLA that a power outage during a routine maintenance test caused the temporary glitch.

img716.imageshack.us
 
2013-10-14 04:17:48 PM  

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.

Why would you say that?

because you are. Think about it. You're standing in line at a gas station, as you claim. It isn't like a grocery store where you have a peripheral view. You really have to work to see just what plastic is being used. In a grocery store, sure you can see if you invade someones space, but a gas station? Nah. Also most cashiers wont take plastic from kids.


Not sure what the gas stations/Quik Stops are like in your area, but here in BFNowhere they are almost always large, semi-circular counters where it is extremely easy to see what method the person in front of you is using to pay.  There are always multiple card-swipe machines front and center, and I can't imagine any apathetic counter person saying anything about the method of payment so long as the register accepts it.
 
2013-10-14 04:18:37 PM  
Didn't $39 billion just get cut from the food stamp program?
 
2013-10-14 04:25:57 PM  

Trance354: //WIC program, on the other hand, is shut down during the shutdown, so the women, infants and children who need the most help are the ones who are left out in the cold


It's how the system is setup.  I did a program for HSA's that are like EBTs.  When the card is swiped it passes to the processor the store and dept codes along with all the UPCs.  It uses that information to determine what is or isn't allowed by looking it up in the db.

Since things are added/removed you have to determine what to do for something not in the db.  You can allow it to go through and deal with abuses that arise or deny it until it is added and deal with those issues manually.  It looks like EBT is allow unless blacklisted while WIC is only allow items in the db.

Seeing as how the transactions were able to be processed I'd guess they lost their db but not the front-end.  It only being a few hours and Sat. means it was probably the time it took to restore the db and check it before returning it to live.
 
2013-10-14 04:26:24 PM  
zanat0s.files.wordpress.com

Unless you're poor.
 
2013-10-14 04:27:23 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. ...[Logic Redacted]

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.


How dare you bring logic into this thread?
 
2013-10-14 04:28:10 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: bearded clamorer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I thought they already did.

And what's wrong with steak?  You think poor people should never, ever eat red meat?  I mean, I can see that they shouldn't be able to buy prime striploins... but maybe make beef OK under a certain price per pound?  It just seems overly restrictive to me that all steak would be off the menu.  I can do wonders with round steak and a jacquard tenderizer.


A good friend of mine ended up on food stamps in the 90's. While she bought the healthiest food she could with her stipend, she really focused on what her then-elementary school-aged son needed for his development. She knew how to make that money last each month, and on the off-chance that she had unspent funds at the end of the month, she would splurge on steak.

Happy to say she's now a charge nurse in a NICU ward. She makes substantial donations to women's shelters and homeless shelters as her way of giving back, and her son is a strong, healthy and well-adjusted 20-something.

And it's all thanks to STEAK.
 
2013-10-14 04:29:21 PM  
the EBT system, for those not in the know, works like this: an amount of the assistance is allotted to purely foodstuffs, and the correct items are in the computer system so they come up as coming off the card automatically.  There's a little sub-total on my screen which gives and EBT total, separate from the final bill.  The difference can be used however the person wants, but is supposed to be for the items which are not on the list, but still in the store: not to be used for alcohol or drugs: toilet paper, cleaning supplies, etc.  What really happens is that they come to the counter, draw out the "cash" amount, pay for what they can with the balance, and go to the liquor store with the cash to get their fix.  The scummy bastards go to the parts of the store that have small, more valuable items(canned atlantic salmon, for instance), buy it through the lines, then come and return the items for cash, then go to the liquor store.  The leeches of the system don't bother buying the stuff, they know we aren't supposed to ask for a receipt below $10, so they get something that is $9.99 or less off the shelf and just "return" it.  These arseholes are why we have the expense of a top of the line security system in every store.

/what they don't understand is that anything that is perishable and has left the store has to be thrown out
//chucked 2 pounds of bacon yesterday.
///2 p-o-u-n-d-s of bacon
 
2013-10-14 04:32:02 PM  
Just listen to them scream next month when the charges show up and they all have to pay for what they stole.

Har de har har har.
 
2013-10-14 04:32:07 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.


Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.
 
2013-10-14 04:38:01 PM  

Trance354: the EBT system, for those not in the know, works like this: an amount of the assistance is allotted to purely foodstuffs, and the correct items are in the computer system so they come up as coming off the card automatically.  There's a little sub-total on my screen which gives and EBT total, separate from the final bill.  The difference can be used however the person wants, but is supposed to be for the items which are not on the list, but still in the store: not to be used for alcohol or drugs: toilet paper, cleaning supplies, etc.  What really happens is that they come to the counter, draw out the "cash" amount, pay for what they can with the balance, and go to the liquor store with the cash to get their fix.  The scummy bastards go to the parts of the store that have small, more valuable items(canned atlantic salmon, for instance), buy it through the lines, then come and return the items for cash, then go to the liquor store.  The leeches of the system don't bother buying the stuff, they know we aren't supposed to ask for a receipt below $10, so they get something that is $9.99 or less off the shelf and just "return" it.  These arseholes are why we have the expense of a top of the line security system in every store.

/what they don't understand is that anything that is perishable and has left the store has to be thrown out
//chucked 2 pounds of bacon yesterday.
///2 p-o-u-n-d-s of bacon


Close but not quite.  They return the items for store credit, then spend the store credit on stuff not allowed by food stamps, such as alcohol and cigarettes.

Then they go to the soup kitchen and eat free while our taxes pay to keep them drunk.
 
2013-10-14 04:38:52 PM  

Trance354: the EBT system, for those not in the know, works like this: an amount of the assistance is allotted to purely foodstuffs, and the correct items are in the computer system so they come up as coming off the card automatically.  There's a little sub-total on my screen which gives and EBT total, separate from the final bill.  The difference can be used however the person wants, but is supposed to be for the items which are not on the list, but still in the store: not to be used for alcohol or drugs: toilet paper, cleaning supplies, etc.  What really happens is that they come to the counter, draw out the "cash" amount, pay for what they can with the balance, and go to the liquor store with the cash to get their fix.  The scummy bastards go to the parts of the store that have small, more valuable items(canned atlantic salmon, for instance), buy it through the lines, then come and return the items for cash, then go to the liquor store.  The leeches of the system don't bother buying the stuff, they know we aren't supposed to ask for a receipt below $10, so they get something that is $9.99 or less off the shelf and just "return" it.  These arseholes are why we have the expense of a top of the line security system in every store.

/what they don't understand is that anything that is perishable and has left the store has to be thrown out
//chucked 2 pounds of bacon yesterday.
///2 p-o-u-n-d-s of bacon


You do realize that all of the money they are spending, regardless of what they buy or how they buy it, all goes back into the economy.

So it's not like they're keeping the money and hoarding it, it's going right back into the economy.
 
2013-10-14 04:40:49 PM  

Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.


Yes...I've noticed, disgusting huh?
 
2013-10-14 04:41:44 PM  

unyon: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

Not American, but I would presume that future benefits payments would reflect the overspending on this particular transaction.  It's not like you actually got given more money, you just knowingly spent money that wasn't yours. Here in Canada, you wouldn't get a dime more in support until you were squared up with the government.  I presume it would work much the same for you guys.  It's like getting a misprinted cheque with a few more zeros on it than intended.  It doesn't make the money yours in any way, shape, or form.

 I'm not sure that these fine folks thought their cunning plan all the way through, though.


The problem is, when people have no money, and no food they will do whatever is necessary to get food to live.  You think it's human (or any animal's) nature to sit on their hands while they starve to death?  I know if it came down to it, I would do whatever was necessary to survive and keep my family alive.  I'm pretty sure everyone else in this thread would do the same.

I do agree it was stupid of them to essentially steal with a card that has your name on it and is easily tracked...but I don't see much that is going to be done about it (at least successfully).

Too bad there's not another Australia we can send poor people to.
 
2013-10-14 04:45:18 PM  
Them whacky Democrats were just using their voter ID cards.

I wonder how long the frozen skrimps lasted in that store?
 
2013-10-14 04:46:38 PM  

Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.

Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.


Take another look at your "multiple videos." Work at it.
 
2013-10-14 04:49:43 PM  

hutchkc: Trance354: //WIC program, on the other hand, is shut down during the shutdown, so the women, infants and children who need the most help are the ones who are left out in the cold

It's how the system is setup.  I did a program for HSA's that are like EBTs.  When the card is swiped it passes to the processor the store and dept codes along with all the UPCs.  It uses that information to determine what is or isn't allowed by looking it up in the db.

Since things are added/removed you have to determine what to do for something not in the db.  You can allow it to go through and deal with abuses that arise or deny it until it is added and deal with those issues manually.  It looks like EBT is allow unless blacklisted while WIC is only allow items in the db.

Seeing as how the transactions were able to be processed I'd guess they lost their db but not the front-end.  It only being a few hours and Sat. means it was probably the time it took to restore the db and check it before returning it to live.


The WIC program is different, in that the person comes in with a check.  An actual printed check.  The items allowed on that check are printed on the check.  To get the check, they meet with a counselor who assesses the situation in the home about food.  They then come up with a list and cut a check.  If something doesn't match the check, they are not allowed that item, unless they pay for it with their own money.  What is on the check is sold at a deep discount(tax write-off, I'm sure), and anything extra is bought by the person in cash.

EBT does have the database, but the EBT populace is so versed on how to walk around the rules, they may as well repeal the rules.  I know one woman who is on EBT and WIC.  Her fiance is on EBT as well, and has never worked a day in his life.  There were some lean years until he latched onto the girl, but now he's busy getting her pregnant again to get some more of the government money which he has been sucking on for the entirety of his life.  She is a moral person, but she wants to "make it work for the baby."  Otherwise, she'd probably have a real job by now and be a productive member of society.  He is the anchor around her neck, dragging her down to his level.

/scum of the earth, he is
//yes, I'd be interested, even with the kid, if he wasn't around
///dip her in rubbing alcohol to get his taint off of her
 
2013-10-14 04:51:13 PM  
Proving once and for all that these are good, honest folks, who just need a hand so they can get their act together and not a bunch of criminal leaches.

[ / scarcasm ]

/// 100% are democrats. I'd bet massive amounts of $$ on it.
 
2013-10-14 04:52:13 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Company says, "System is down but we'll trust you to do the right thing."

Scum of the earth immediately loot store.

Farkers defend scum.

Proving once again that no good deed goes unpunished


You're talking about wal mart? The company that searches their customers bags as they leave the store?
 
2013-10-14 04:55:00 PM  

johncb76006: Them whacky Democrats were just using their voter ID cards.

I wonder how long the frozen skrimps lasted in that store?


See post number boobies.
 
2013-10-14 04:55:55 PM  
Party time in the neighborhood!
 
2013-10-14 04:56:32 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.

Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.

Take another look at your "multiple videos." Work at it.


I'm not surprised that's the best reply you've got, based on your little "theory."

Tell me - if customers weren't being allowed out the door with those full carts, why were there so many people there filling them? Perhaps that's just an entertaining evening in Mansfield for the locals, filling up carts at Walmart with items just for the hell of it?
 
2013-10-14 04:59:55 PM  

Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.

Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.

Take another look at your "multiple videos." Work at it.

I'm not surprised that's the best reply you've got, based on your little "theory."

Tell me - if customers weren't being allowed out the door with those full carts, why were there so many people there filling them? Perhaps that's just an entertaining evening in Mansfield for the locals, filling up carts at Walmart with items just for the hell of it?


Some people call it "shopping."
 
2013-10-14 05:02:48 PM  

Elegy: Here's a news report with some of the video.

Still can't find the raw video though.


So these bottom feeders left full carts of items and a mess of the store when balances started showing up on the cards. Some folks have no respect for anyone and it's a damn shame.
 
2013-10-14 05:03:04 PM  
Put the appropriate negative balance on all the cards that were used to abuse the system. A simple lesson in consequences.
 
2013-10-14 05:03:09 PM  

pute kisses like a man: cardex: Masta Kronix: Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.

That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/nyregion/in-obesity-fight-poverty-i s -patient-zero.html?_r=0"

Yep when I started my diet and lost 150 pounds my food budget dubbled but I get home with fewer bags of food. But there are some cheap and healthy options if you know what to look for and dont mind eating the same thing every day for a week

i think the only way to eat on the cheap is fall in love with rice and beans (the kind that you soak overnight, not the kind in a can).  and, on a real luxurious day, maybe some potatoes.


In South Florida we have $1 6 piece McNuggets on Mondays and on Wednesday it's $.59 hamburgers.  So there's that too
 
2013-10-14 05:04:22 PM  
did they get on thier smart phones and let the rest of the hood know what was up
 
2013-10-14 05:05:44 PM  
It's like Rush Limbaugh's ID ejaculated in here.
 
2013-10-14 05:06:32 PM  

jpo2269: I am just amazed at how this went from person 1 realizing there was no limit on the EBT card to the point where many people were in the know and in a position to exploit the glitch..

Of course, that fascination does not override the fact that what they did was theft pure and simple.


They used their iPhones.
 
2013-10-14 05:06:43 PM  

DrewFL: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"


you dam right we did
 
2013-10-14 05:06:54 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.

Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.

Take another look at your "multiple videos." Work at it.

I'm not surprised that's the best reply you've got, based on your little "theory."

Tell me - if customers weren't being allowed out the door with those full carts, why were there so many people there filling them? Perhaps that's just an entertaining evening in Mansfield for the locals, filling up carts at Walmart with items just for the hell of it?

Some people call it "shopping."


Once again, you're totally right.

This is the result of normal shopping patterns over 2 hours on your typical day:

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

I see the light now. It's all a media conspiracy to make the poor blahs look bad.
 
2013-10-14 05:08:20 PM  

olddinosaur: Trance354: the EBT system,.....

/what they don't understand is that anything that is perishable and has left the store has to be thrown out
//chucked 2 pounds of bacon yesterday.
///2 p-o-u-n-d-s of bacon

Close but not quite.  They return the items for store credit, then spend the store credit on stuff not allowed by food stamps, such as alcohol and cigarettes.

Then they go to the soup kitchen and eat free while our taxes pay to keep them drunk.


No, I've seen it.  Hell, I've had to process the transactions.  They kick up a fuss and the managers step in and give them cash.  They act like the GOP are now and wail until they get their way.  One guy just yesterday kicked up a fuss about the money he spent on groceries.  He said he wanted a refund on items he didn't bring back.  Absolutely refused to leave until he was given free money.  I politely refused to give him anything, pointing out that he didn't bring anything back, and he was responsible for buying the 9 packs of soda which were now at his house, not to mention the other things he'd grabbed, thinking the well was bottomless during the EBT fiasco.  He missed the cut off by a few minutes and was pissed off he was charged for items he bought, yet he also wanted to keep the items and buy more things, such as food, so he wouldn't starve during the next month.  A manager came over and talked him down to $20.  I'd have(and did) told him to go fly a kite, but he was kicking up a fuss, so the manager placated him.

/they aren't eating at the food bank, they are eating quite well, considering not a one of them is underweight
//unless they're on meth, and even then....
 
2013-10-14 05:14:18 PM  

GanjSmokr: Madbassist1: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Madbassist1: The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.

Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.

Yeah, bullshiat.  Dozens of people suddenly show up and start filling up multiple shopping carts with food right after the glitch shows up, emptying Walmart's shelves in the process...and you think they were just doing their weekly shopping?

...and when Walmart got on the loudspeaker and announced that the glitch was fixed, people abandoned their overflowing shopping carts in the aisles and quickly left the store because they all just remembered that the season premier of The Walking Dead was coming on soon?

Prove it.

/see how that works?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7cmmCYJ4eo

All those full carts were left because so many people simultaneously realized they needed to be at the gym within the next half hour.  Or something like that.  Definitely not because people were trying to game the system while it was down.  Nope.


Whooooa.  Now I totally understand the argument about possible rioting if they weren't allowed through.  You could see the people getting restless in line.  I feel bad for those employees.  A lot of that food is probably past the point of reshelfing.
 
2013-10-14 05:15:12 PM  

Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)


Actually this was a prime example of why some poor stay poor. Short, they are dumb and bad at screwing the system. Only a stupid person would think this was a magical time where a transaction was going to go unrecorded.
 
2013-10-14 05:17:30 PM  
 
2013-10-14 05:18:37 PM  
everybody knows goddam AUTOZONE takes ebt, farking AUTOZONE
 
2013-10-14 05:20:47 PM  

haywatchthis: everybody knows goddam AUTOZONE takes ebt, farking AUTOZONE


Not my 7/11. My guess they got busted for EBT fraud.
 
2013-10-14 05:23:33 PM  

willfullyobscure: WALLY WALLY WALLY WALLY WALLY WALLY WORLD
SHE GOT LOUISIANA PURCHASE CARD
SHE BUYING SUMMER's EVE. SHE BUYING MASSENGIL.
SHE KEEP HER BODY CLEAN


I didn't know Wesley Willis had gotten into rap.
 
2013-10-14 05:28:14 PM  

Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.

Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.

Take another look at your "multiple videos." Work at it.

I'm not surprised that's the best reply you've got, based on your little "theory."

Tell me - if customers weren't being allowed out the door with those full carts, why were there so many people there filling them? Perhaps that's just an entertaining evening in Mansfield for the locals, filling up carts at Walmart with items just for the hell of it?

Some people call it "shopping."

Once again, you're totally right.

This is the result of normal shopping patterns over 2 hours on your typical day:

[i.imgur.com image 300x168]

[i.imgur.com image 300x224]

I see the light now. It's all a media conspiracy to make the poor blahs look ...


Who said anything about a "typical day?" Or "blahs?"
 
2013-10-14 05:44:41 PM  

Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.


You must be a chubby chaser. I'd say the majority of EBT users I've seen are skinny. The fat ones are usually handicapped in some way.

As for the Free-for-all, doesn't Louisiana have a limit to how much they'll guarantee with prior approval? I know Maryland does.
 
2013-10-14 05:53:25 PM  

jpo2269: I am just amazed at how this went from person 1 realizing there was no limit on the EBT card to the point where many people were in the know and in a position to exploit the glitch..

Of course, that fascination does not override the fact that what they did was theft pure and simple.


#SNAP
 
2013-10-14 06:00:25 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: It's abundantly clear this was a false flag operation to make Real Americans from Louisiana out to be benefit-slurping parasites.

My theory is that this operation was coordinated by OFA in conjunction with MoveOn and the remnants of ACORN under the supervision of RV.


Before you get all political, you may want to know the political demographics of Mansfield.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.


You're serious? You think people filed into the store and stripped the shelves clean by chance? That they didn't realize there was a glitch in the system. People don't pull a "Supermarket Sweep" due to rumors.
 
2013-10-14 06:04:33 PM  

jpk_ks: factoryconnection: bearded clamorer: The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I'm guessing that this is the cash benefit side of the EBT account that was f'd up.  SNAP is already restricted as you describe, but there is a cash benefit amount that is supposed to fill in the gaps for purchases at places that don't accept EBT.  I'm not defending the program, just describing it, although I think that food stamps in general is a very good thing to have available.

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Perhaps they just use it like a gift card, swipe it for whatever's left on it and pay the rest out of pocket?  Except this time they just kept working.

I don't think it is - they use that type of restriction to determine what stores can accept SNAP purchases (have to make more than half of their dollars from non-snack food items) but they don't restrict the users from buying nothing but chips and soda if that's what they want to spend their money on.

If I'm wrong - and I truly hope I am - can someone help me find the documentation saying that SNAP is more like WIC because I can't find it anywhere and that's depressing to me.


Food stamps can purchase MANY food items. Here at out walmarts anything with an F on the receipt is designated as a food item (those items are all OK for SNAP). Most of the stuff in the grocery side of Walmart can be bought with them. Including snack cakes, candy, soda, etc. It's mainly food that is already prepared that is ineligible for food stamps. If I had an EBT card I could go to  papa murphy's and get a pizza with the card. There are some oddities though, it isn't ok to buy energy drinks on EBT at Walmart but it is listed as eligible a local grocery store.
 
2013-10-14 06:05:10 PM  

Madbassist1: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Madbassist1: The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.

Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.

Yeah, bullshiat.  Dozens of people suddenly show up and start filling up multiple shopping carts with food right after the glitch shows up, emptying Walmart's shelves in the process...and you think they were just doing their weekly shopping?

...and when Walmart got on the loudspeaker and announced that the glitch was fixed, people abandoned their overflowing shopping carts in the aisles and quickly left the store because they all just remembered that the season premier of The Walking Dead was coming on soon?

Prove it.

/see how that works?


If Person A spent more than their ENTIRE monthly allowance on a trip to Walmart...I think I proved it.
 
2013-10-14 06:08:01 PM  

Electrify: Yes there should be some responsibility on those who chose to take advantage of the situation,


Why start now?
 
2013-10-14 06:16:00 PM  

jpo2269: I am just amazed at how this went from person 1 realizing there was no limit on the EBT card to the point where many people were in the know and in a position to exploit the glitch..

Of course, that fascination does not override the fact that what they did was theft pure and simple.


When those people find out a new way to game the system, and if telling others about it does not jeopardize their take, word of mouth can be pretty quick.  Some of them probably tried to trick others of them into thinking they could "unlock" their cards for a fee.  They are crafty and cut throat like that.
 
2013-10-14 06:40:08 PM  
Nice, first you try to rob the system because you are too farking lazy to find a job, then when your homies tell you it doesn't work anymore, you just farking abandon your carts in the isles, forcing some poor slob who HAS a job to put all that shiat back, if its not ruined already. And don't hate because i said "homies' you saw the video just as well as i did.farking lazy, robbing slugs. Too bad they cant find out who did it and jail the whole farking bunch of them.
 
2013-10-14 06:45:11 PM  

PainInTheASP: Yeah, great day until you get that huge bill from the state.  Then what are you going to do?

/Oh yeah, right.


/Tax the people who actually work for a living more. And yes, Wal mart were greedy slugs because they knew they could say "its not our fault, how could we know?" Its the people who used the cards that are liable.  Its the same as a bank glitch that gives you 12 million dollars in your savings, when you know you have like only 100 bucks, but yet you go on a spending spree, spending thousands of dollars. It's not the businesses fault, its the card holder. Theft, pure and simple. Every one of those farking slugs should get kicked off the program indefinitely and jailed.
 
2013-10-14 06:55:04 PM  
 
2013-10-14 07:08:38 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.



Doesn't mean they can't go after the EBT holder.
 
2013-10-14 07:18:26 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.


images.thetruthaboutcars.com
 
2013-10-14 07:26:49 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.


Ummm why would they activate emergency procedures? There was no emergency.
 
2013-10-14 07:30:54 PM  

Tenatra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

Ummm why would they activate emergency procedures? There was no emergency.


Xerox server in TX shut down crippling EBT.
 
2013-10-14 07:32:39 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Tenatra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

Ummm why would they activate emergency procedures? There was no emergency.

Xerox server in TX shut down crippling EBT.


I'm thinking more along the line of state of emergency. Get in, pick up necessities, get out. Which isn't the case here
 
2013-10-14 07:34:45 PM  

deconstructed: how about this, "$50 or $100 limit on all EBT purchases while the system is down"


I'd rather it stayed as is. The fallout from their stupidity will continue to entertain me.
 
2013-10-14 07:40:18 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.


I have to side with Wal-Mart on this one.  The alternative is a bunch of low income monkeys rioting because they couldn't get their cheez wiz or cereal.
 
2013-10-14 07:42:54 PM  
screw it. They are poor. Let'em have their once in a live time merry shopping experience.
 
2013-10-14 07:43:55 PM  
Fade2black:
I have to side with Wal-Mart on this one.  The alternative is a bunch of low income monkeys rioting because they couldn't get their cheez wiz or cereal.

www.reactiongifs.com
 
2013-10-14 07:56:47 PM  

Fade2black: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.

I have to side with Wal-Mart on this one.  The alternative is a bunch of low income monkeys rioting because they couldn't get their cheez wiz or cereal.


No argument here.  It would have been wrong for Wal-mart to shut it down, yes.  But to pretend it's all about "Think about the children!"... That's what I'm laughing at.  As if it's not about making as much money as they can, whether that's taking advantage of the state, or taking advantage of the people running up tabs they will be responsible for later - it was certainly not about doing the right thing for families.
 
pla
2013-10-14 08:10:35 PM  
Nina_Hartley's_Ass : the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

It doesn't work that way.

On the off chance those terms don't exist in the original agreement WallyWorld has with the state to accept their EBT cards - And with absolutely no ambiguity wide enough that a malpractice lawyer could fark a sheep through it - They will sue the state, and win.

If they don't have that option, they will go after every single waste of flesh that went on a shopping spree that day. They will offer to settle rather than press charges, probably won't actually press charges against those who refuse, but will again, sue and win.

Of course, you can't get blood from a stone, but don't think Wallyworld will end up eating this in the long run.
 
2013-10-14 08:20:02 PM  

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.

Why would you say that?

because you are. Think about it. You're standing in line at a gas station, as you claim. It isn't like a grocery store where you have a peripheral view. You really have to work to see just what plastic is being used. In a grocery store, sure you can see if you invade someones space, but a gas station? Nah. Also most cashiers wont take plastic from kids.


Live in IL too, see that crap all the time. EBT is run on a different system and usually takes forever, also kids use it all the time.
 
2013-10-14 08:40:03 PM  

R. Paulson: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.

Why would you say that?

because you are. Think about it. You're standing in line at a gas station, as you claim. It isn't like a grocery store where you have a peripheral view. You really have to work to see just what plastic is being used. In a grocery store, sure you can see if you invade someones space, but a gas station? Nah. Also most cashiers wont take plastic from kids.

Live in IL too, see that crap all the time. EBT is run on a different system and usually takes forever, also kids use it all the time.


*Illinois internet fistbump*
 
2013-10-14 08:48:14 PM  
Make Xerox pay for it since they didn't keep the computers systems up and had no backup site or plugged it into the same power backups.

They should at least have to return a month's charge for providing the service to the government like any other provider hosting computer services when they have such an outage.  What does their Service Level Agreement say on uptime? How many nines?
 
2013-10-14 08:49:19 PM  
Glen Beck is right for once

"
"But here was the glitch. There was no limit. So, what did people do... They emptied the entire store... It was free food. It was free everything. Come and get it. Take your cars. Pack them up. Bring your friends... People had cart after cart after cart. When people came with actual cash, there was no food left. There was nothing left in the Wal-Mart. Animals. Theft. And I can guarantee you no one will prosecute them because they are not the forgotten men."
"They are the one that takes from the forgotten man," he continued. "They are the one that the government has gone to them and said, it's not fair the way you have to live. And so, I'm going to solve it for you. And so, politician A looks at suffering person B and says, for your vote, I will take it from person C and give it to you. That's the forgotten man. So, they stole from you. But politician A certainly won't tell you that because that will hurt his constituent B because A and B don't really give a flying crap about you at C."
 "
 
2013-10-14 09:03:26 PM  
bearded clamorer:*Illinois internet fistbump*

*accepted/returned*
/Thanks Lincoln
 
2013-10-14 09:06:36 PM  
I propose that whoever took advantage of this glitch should be required to pay back the excess PLUS be banned from having an EBT card and EBT benefits.

/that's the least that would happen to you if it was a company credit card for your workplace.
//If the bastards don't pay it back, just keep deducting it month to month until the full amount has been recovered.
///Sad part is that these asshats will probably get away with it.  And we'll be paying for it.
 
2013-10-14 09:16:40 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.


So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?
 
2013-10-14 09:17:10 PM  
 
2013-10-14 09:18:35 PM  

Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?


That's not what that says.
 
2013-10-14 09:24:37 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?

That's not what that says.


It says right there that the retailer will be responsible for "any amount spent over eligible limits."

That would seem to imply that people were spending over their eligible limits, yes? Otherwise there would be nothing to pay back.
 
2013-10-14 09:36:41 PM  

ShardingGreat: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"

Really? Not only do they farkin' HAVE cell phones, I'm betting that they have the latest and BEST cellphones available. Not to mention hung with bling and the baby momas all have their nails done while the baby daddys are sporting the latest brand new Nikes. Trust me...I see it all the time in the medical profession. They're on Medicare and Medicaid and dress better than those of us with jobs!


What a cellphone hung with "bling" may look like:

www.technobuffalo.com

/ money can't buy good taste, apparently...
 
2013-10-14 09:42:03 PM  

Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?

That's not what that says.

It says right there that the retailer will be responsible for "any amount spent over eligible limits."

That would seem to imply that people were spending over their eligible limits, yes? Otherwise there would be nothing to pay back.


Yes, to someone who doesn't speak English it would "seem to imply" that. Just as my saying, "Elegy will be blowing all the dogs his mother doesn't get around to" would "seem to imply" you'll be pleasing some chihuahuas to someone who doesn't know your mother.
 
2013-10-14 09:50:28 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?

That's not what that says.

It says right there that the retailer will be responsible for "any amount spent over eligible limits."

That would seem to imply that people were spending over their eligible limits, yes? Otherwise there would be nothing to pay back.

Yes, to someone who doesn't speak English it would "seem to imply" that. Just as my saying, "Elegy will be blowing all the dogs his mother doesn't get around to" would "seem to imply" you'll be pleasing some chihuahuas to someone who doesn't know your mother.


You really are poor at this you know.

It usually works better if you can at least simulate logic for a whole to keep the other person wound up.

Descending directly into personal insults in an indication that you're losing, not that you're winning.
 
2013-10-14 09:53:15 PM  

Elegy: It usually works better if you can at least simulate logic for a whole to keep the other person wound up.


I accidentally the whole thing?
 
2013-10-14 09:56:49 PM  
The easiest and cheapest way to handle this would be to ignore it, other than the ordinary accounting.  If someone who gets, say, $200/mo assistance splurged and spent $950 when their balance was $200, they now have a card balance of $-750. Next month their assistance payment will give them a minus $550 balance, then -$350, -$150, and in February they will finally be restored to a whole $50.

Hope they bought well to maintain themselves and their families for the meantime.
 
2013-10-14 10:03:36 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Yes, to someone who doesn't speak English it would "seem to imply" that. Just as my saying, "Elegy will be blowing all the dogs his mother doesn't get around to" would "seem to imply" you'll be pleasing some chihuahuas to someone who doesn't know your mother.


You attempts at logic are terrible.
 
2013-10-14 10:09:21 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: It usually works better if you can at least simulate logic for a whole to keep the other person wound up.

I accidentally the whole thing?


Autocorrect is my mortal enemy.
 
2013-10-14 11:05:45 PM  

DrewFL: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"


Yes! And where do you think the phones come from?
 
2013-10-14 11:27:20 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.


It won't be theft.  I don't know how much per month a person gets but if it is say $300 and a person sucked out $900, then he just used up this month, next month, and the month after.  He better have shopped well and stocked up I would say.
 
2013-10-14 11:27:36 PM  

Masta Kronix: Magnanimous_J: Rik01: These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.

It's almost as if thinking things through isn't a cornerstone of poor swamp trash culture.

Counterpoint, it's almost as if a lack of education and being taught critical thinking skills allows people to make decisions that seem stupid/borderline retarded to those of us who had the luxury of an education worth a damn.

It's not that people are born "poor swamp trash culture" it's that they are born into a "poor swamp trash culture" and don't know any better. Educate somebody and watch how quickly they change.


I would agree that education is important. Unfortunately the real education takes place in the home. So unless you are willing to remove children from their idiot parents to save them from an idiot upbringing the cycle will continue.
 
2013-10-14 11:55:08 PM  
Scattered like roaches when the lights came back on.

 / "Get it while you can" - J. Joplin
 
2013-10-15 01:39:25 AM  

factoryconnection: When DFAS overpays someone in the military, they just withhold pay until the ledger is balanced.  Of course, EBT is handled by the states so I don't know if they'd go about it the same way, but it would be fair.  After all, it isn't like they "earned" the money in the first place.


This.
 
2013-10-15 02:11:02 AM  
According to this article by CSM, the government just paid Wal Mart the balance on the card, so they are the ones holding the bag, not the taxpayers. Wal Mart is blaming Xerox for the glitch and Xerox says that Wal Mart didn't follow proper protocol. Taxpayers aren't going to pay any more than they normally do for this. It will be interesting to see if Wal Mart sucks it up and files an insurance claim or if they sue Xerox for compensation.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2013/1015/Walmar t- Food-stamps-spree-caused-by-Xerox
 
2013-10-15 03:18:49 AM  
Ring of Gyges in practice.
 
2013-10-15 03:49:58 AM  

Dreyelle: Amazing at how fast word got around.  Is there some kind of free thing phone tree?


They beat the village drums!
 
2013-10-15 04:41:40 AM  
Americans aren't stupid, nooooo. What do they do when they find out you have unlimited credit? Tell everybody, make as much noise as you can, and attract the attention of everybody around you on your swag spree at Walmart....I think they never took out the lead in your gasoline.
 
2013-10-15 04:53:09 AM  

Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?


They're the ones who deliberately cheated the system, that's their problem.
 
2013-10-15 09:55:47 AM  

Tenatra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Tenatra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

Ummm why would they activate emergency procedures? There was no emergency.

Xerox server in TX shut down crippling EBT.

I'm thinking more along the line of state of emergency. Get in, pick up necessities, get out. Which isn't the case here


Good ole ACS.

[ha-ha.jpg] indeed.
 
2013-10-15 10:58:56 AM  
Disgusting.
 
2013-10-15 11:43:45 AM  

SwiftFox: The easiest and cheapest way to handle this would be to ignore it, other than the ordinary accounting.  If someone who gets, say, $200/mo assistance splurged and spent $950 when their balance was $200, they now have a card balance of $-750. Next month their assistance payment will give them a minus $550 balance, then -$350, -$150, and in February they will finally be restored to a whole $50.

Hope they bought well to maintain themselves and their families for the meantime.


So I don't have kids myself, but is it safe for them to go for a couple of months without food or formula or whatever?
 
2013-10-15 06:53:36 PM  

The Muthaship: So they were supposed to stop all sales because there was a possible glitch?


They can do what a respectable merchant such as Wegmans did.  Institute a $50 emergency limit so that people can continue to purchase things they need until the system is back to normal.

I'm still not sure how anybody got into a situation of "need" in the first place.  Some chick on the news was crying that she can't feed her chillins because the card system was down.  What?  You waited until your entire pantry was empty of everything until you went to the store to buy something to eat for them?  Or do you not ever store anything in the pantry and eat from day to day?  That same brain dead mentality is probably what has created a person who cannot get or hold a job in the first place.
 
2013-10-15 06:59:43 PM  

The Billdozer: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.

There are workaround that Ive seen with the rules of govt assistance programs. Two examples spring to mind:

1) You cant buy a fast food drink with it. So the clerk will tell them they cant ring it up and they can take the straw out or dont put the straw in at all and then its ok to buy.

2) You cant buy hot fast food. So instead of buying the warmed verson of the sandwich, there are cold ones you can buy and then warm it up. What the hell is the difference?

Has anyone else seen this?


Yes.  It's similar to the stupid tax rules here in NYS.  A package regular size marshmallows is "candy" and is therefor taxed.  A package of mini marshmallows is baking ingredients and not taxed.  Or take a package of cookies from a shelf in a regular isle and it is grocery and not taxed but take the same package from a shelf at the front end check out and it is candy and taxed.  Progressive government at its best.
 
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