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2013-10-14 05:20:47 PM

haywatchthis: everybody knows goddam AUTOZONE takes ebt, farking AUTOZONE


Not my 7/11. My guess they got busted for EBT fraud.
 
2013-10-14 05:23:33 PM

willfullyobscure: WALLY WALLY WALLY WALLY WALLY WALLY WORLD
SHE GOT LOUISIANA PURCHASE CARD
SHE BUYING SUMMER's EVE. SHE BUYING MASSENGIL.
SHE KEEP HER BODY CLEAN


I didn't know Wesley Willis had gotten into rap.
 
2013-10-14 05:28:14 PM

Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OK, how about this. Xerox server goes down resulting in EBT sales being blocked across the country. You've been shopping for an hour late Saturday afternoon and are told, "Nope, no purchase allowed." Do you turn around and restock all your groceries? Is that even allowed? I'm not sure it should be. Now over a few hours we get several full carts left behind.

So the Assistant to the Assistant Manager(who else is working Saturday night?) has a problem. His solution? Don't restock the shelves from inventory until those carts are empty and approve the EBT purchases. They're still tied to a name and it'll be the government's problem(hopefully).

Then the servers come back up and ONE woman is caught trying to buy $700 in groceries with forty-nine cents. Cops are called, amateur journalist misunderstands the facts and you get exactly ONE primary source for a story that ends up all over the internet.

I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.

Yes. That's a brilliant theory.

Except for the multiple videos that are all over the Internet.

Was it hard to stick your head that far up your own ass? Because from here, it looks like you really had to work at it.

Take another look at your "multiple videos." Work at it.

I'm not surprised that's the best reply you've got, based on your little "theory."

Tell me - if customers weren't being allowed out the door with those full carts, why were there so many people there filling them? Perhaps that's just an entertaining evening in Mansfield for the locals, filling up carts at Walmart with items just for the hell of it?

Some people call it "shopping."

Once again, you're totally right.

This is the result of normal shopping patterns over 2 hours on your typical day:

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I see the light now. It's all a media conspiracy to make the poor blahs look ...


Who said anything about a "typical day?" Or "blahs?"
 
2013-10-14 05:44:41 PM

Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.


You must be a chubby chaser. I'd say the majority of EBT users I've seen are skinny. The fat ones are usually handicapped in some way.

As for the Free-for-all, doesn't Louisiana have a limit to how much they'll guarantee with prior approval? I know Maryland does.
 
2013-10-14 05:53:25 PM

jpo2269: I am just amazed at how this went from person 1 realizing there was no limit on the EBT card to the point where many people were in the know and in a position to exploit the glitch..

Of course, that fascination does not override the fact that what they did was theft pure and simple.


#SNAP
 
2013-10-14 06:00:25 PM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: It's abundantly clear this was a false flag operation to make Real Americans from Louisiana out to be benefit-slurping parasites.

My theory is that this operation was coordinated by OFA in conjunction with MoveOn and the remnants of ACORN under the supervision of RV.


Before you get all political, you may want to know the political demographics of Mansfield.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I have yet to see an example of ONE person who LEFT THE STORE with more than their allotment.


You're serious? You think people filed into the store and stripped the shelves clean by chance? That they didn't realize there was a glitch in the system. People don't pull a "Supermarket Sweep" due to rumors.
 
2013-10-14 06:04:33 PM

jpk_ks: factoryconnection: bearded clamorer: The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I'm guessing that this is the cash benefit side of the EBT account that was f'd up.  SNAP is already restricted as you describe, but there is a cash benefit amount that is supposed to fill in the gaps for purchases at places that don't accept EBT.  I'm not defending the program, just describing it, although I think that food stamps in general is a very good thing to have available.

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Perhaps they just use it like a gift card, swipe it for whatever's left on it and pay the rest out of pocket?  Except this time they just kept working.

I don't think it is - they use that type of restriction to determine what stores can accept SNAP purchases (have to make more than half of their dollars from non-snack food items) but they don't restrict the users from buying nothing but chips and soda if that's what they want to spend their money on.

If I'm wrong - and I truly hope I am - can someone help me find the documentation saying that SNAP is more like WIC because I can't find it anywhere and that's depressing to me.


Food stamps can purchase MANY food items. Here at out walmarts anything with an F on the receipt is designated as a food item (those items are all OK for SNAP). Most of the stuff in the grocery side of Walmart can be bought with them. Including snack cakes, candy, soda, etc. It's mainly food that is already prepared that is ineligible for food stamps. If I had an EBT card I could go to  papa murphy's and get a pizza with the card. There are some oddities though, it isn't ok to buy energy drinks on EBT at Walmart but it is listed as eligible a local grocery store.
 
2013-10-14 06:05:10 PM

Madbassist1: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Madbassist1: The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.

Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.

Yeah, bullshiat.  Dozens of people suddenly show up and start filling up multiple shopping carts with food right after the glitch shows up, emptying Walmart's shelves in the process...and you think they were just doing their weekly shopping?

...and when Walmart got on the loudspeaker and announced that the glitch was fixed, people abandoned their overflowing shopping carts in the aisles and quickly left the store because they all just remembered that the season premier of The Walking Dead was coming on soon?

Prove it.

/see how that works?


If Person A spent more than their ENTIRE monthly allowance on a trip to Walmart...I think I proved it.
 
2013-10-14 06:08:01 PM

Electrify: Yes there should be some responsibility on those who chose to take advantage of the situation,


Why start now?
 
2013-10-14 06:16:00 PM

jpo2269: I am just amazed at how this went from person 1 realizing there was no limit on the EBT card to the point where many people were in the know and in a position to exploit the glitch..

Of course, that fascination does not override the fact that what they did was theft pure and simple.


When those people find out a new way to game the system, and if telling others about it does not jeopardize their take, word of mouth can be pretty quick.  Some of them probably tried to trick others of them into thinking they could "unlock" their cards for a fee.  They are crafty and cut throat like that.
 
2013-10-14 06:40:08 PM
Nice, first you try to rob the system because you are too farking lazy to find a job, then when your homies tell you it doesn't work anymore, you just farking abandon your carts in the isles, forcing some poor slob who HAS a job to put all that shiat back, if its not ruined already. And don't hate because i said "homies' you saw the video just as well as i did.farking lazy, robbing slugs. Too bad they cant find out who did it and jail the whole farking bunch of them.
 
2013-10-14 06:45:11 PM

PainInTheASP: Yeah, great day until you get that huge bill from the state.  Then what are you going to do?

/Oh yeah, right.


/Tax the people who actually work for a living more. And yes, Wal mart were greedy slugs because they knew they could say "its not our fault, how could we know?" Its the people who used the cards that are liable.  Its the same as a bank glitch that gives you 12 million dollars in your savings, when you know you have like only 100 bucks, but yet you go on a spending spree, spending thousands of dollars. It's not the businesses fault, its the card holder. Theft, pure and simple. Every one of those farking slugs should get kicked off the program indefinitely and jailed.
 
2013-10-14 06:55:04 PM
 
2013-10-14 07:08:38 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.



Doesn't mean they can't go after the EBT holder.
 
2013-10-14 07:18:26 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.


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2013-10-14 07:26:49 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.


Ummm why would they activate emergency procedures? There was no emergency.
 
2013-10-14 07:30:54 PM

Tenatra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

Ummm why would they activate emergency procedures? There was no emergency.


Xerox server in TX shut down crippling EBT.
 
2013-10-14 07:32:39 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Tenatra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

Ummm why would they activate emergency procedures? There was no emergency.

Xerox server in TX shut down crippling EBT.


I'm thinking more along the line of state of emergency. Get in, pick up necessities, get out. Which isn't the case here
 
2013-10-14 07:34:45 PM

deconstructed: how about this, "$50 or $100 limit on all EBT purchases while the system is down"


I'd rather it stayed as is. The fallout from their stupidity will continue to entertain me.
 
2013-10-14 07:40:18 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.


I have to side with Wal-Mart on this one.  The alternative is a bunch of low income monkeys rioting because they couldn't get their cheez wiz or cereal.
 
2013-10-14 07:42:54 PM
screw it. They are poor. Let'em have their once in a live time merry shopping experience.
 
2013-10-14 07:43:55 PM
Fade2black:
I have to side with Wal-Mart on this one.  The alternative is a bunch of low income monkeys rioting because they couldn't get their cheez wiz or cereal.

www.reactiongifs.com
 
2013-10-14 07:56:47 PM

Fade2black: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

Hopefully, Louisiana will make the looters pay it back.  But Wal-Mart got theirs no matter what.

I have to side with Wal-Mart on this one.  The alternative is a bunch of low income monkeys rioting because they couldn't get their cheez wiz or cereal.


No argument here.  It would have been wrong for Wal-mart to shut it down, yes.  But to pretend it's all about "Think about the children!"... That's what I'm laughing at.  As if it's not about making as much money as they can, whether that's taking advantage of the state, or taking advantage of the people running up tabs they will be responsible for later - it was certainly not about doing the right thing for families.
 
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2013-10-14 08:10:35 PM
Nina_Hartley's_Ass : the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

It doesn't work that way.

On the off chance those terms don't exist in the original agreement WallyWorld has with the state to accept their EBT cards - And with absolutely no ambiguity wide enough that a malpractice lawyer could fark a sheep through it - They will sue the state, and win.

If they don't have that option, they will go after every single waste of flesh that went on a shopping spree that day. They will offer to settle rather than press charges, probably won't actually press charges against those who refuse, but will again, sue and win.

Of course, you can't get blood from a stone, but don't think Wallyworld will end up eating this in the long run.
 
2013-10-14 08:20:02 PM

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.

Why would you say that?

because you are. Think about it. You're standing in line at a gas station, as you claim. It isn't like a grocery store where you have a peripheral view. You really have to work to see just what plastic is being used. In a grocery store, sure you can see if you invade someones space, but a gas station? Nah. Also most cashiers wont take plastic from kids.


Live in IL too, see that crap all the time. EBT is run on a different system and usually takes forever, also kids use it all the time.
 
2013-10-14 08:40:03 PM

R. Paulson: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Madbassist1:

I'm not saying it isnt possible. I'm saying you're a farking liar.

Why would you say that?

because you are. Think about it. You're standing in line at a gas station, as you claim. It isn't like a grocery store where you have a peripheral view. You really have to work to see just what plastic is being used. In a grocery store, sure you can see if you invade someones space, but a gas station? Nah. Also most cashiers wont take plastic from kids.

Live in IL too, see that crap all the time. EBT is run on a different system and usually takes forever, also kids use it all the time.


*Illinois internet fistbump*
 
2013-10-14 08:48:14 PM
Make Xerox pay for it since they didn't keep the computers systems up and had no backup site or plugged it into the same power backups.

They should at least have to return a month's charge for providing the service to the government like any other provider hosting computer services when they have such an outage.  What does their Service Level Agreement say on uptime? How many nines?
 
2013-10-14 08:49:19 PM
Glen Beck is right for once

"
"But here was the glitch. There was no limit. So, what did people do... They emptied the entire store... It was free food. It was free everything. Come and get it. Take your cars. Pack them up. Bring your friends... People had cart after cart after cart. When people came with actual cash, there was no food left. There was nothing left in the Wal-Mart. Animals. Theft. And I can guarantee you no one will prosecute them because they are not the forgotten men."
"They are the one that takes from the forgotten man," he continued. "They are the one that the government has gone to them and said, it's not fair the way you have to live. And so, I'm going to solve it for you. And so, politician A looks at suffering person B and says, for your vote, I will take it from person C and give it to you. That's the forgotten man. So, they stole from you. But politician A certainly won't tell you that because that will hurt his constituent B because A and B don't really give a flying crap about you at C."
 "
 
2013-10-14 09:03:26 PM
bearded clamorer:*Illinois internet fistbump*

*accepted/returned*
/Thanks Lincoln
 
2013-10-14 09:06:36 PM
I propose that whoever took advantage of this glitch should be required to pay back the excess PLUS be banned from having an EBT card and EBT benefits.

/that's the least that would happen to you if it was a company credit card for your workplace.
//If the bastards don't pay it back, just keep deducting it month to month until the full amount has been recovered.
///Sad part is that these asshats will probably get away with it.  And we'll be paying for it.
 
2013-10-14 09:16:40 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.


So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?
 
2013-10-14 09:17:10 PM
 
2013-10-14 09:18:35 PM

Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?


That's not what that says.
 
2013-10-14 09:24:37 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?

That's not what that says.


It says right there that the retailer will be responsible for "any amount spent over eligible limits."

That would seem to imply that people were spending over their eligible limits, yes? Otherwise there would be nothing to pay back.
 
2013-10-14 09:36:41 PM

ShardingGreat: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"

Really? Not only do they farkin' HAVE cell phones, I'm betting that they have the latest and BEST cellphones available. Not to mention hung with bling and the baby momas all have their nails done while the baby daddys are sporting the latest brand new Nikes. Trust me...I see it all the time in the medical profession. They're on Medicare and Medicaid and dress better than those of us with jobs!


What a cellphone hung with "bling" may look like:

www.technobuffalo.com

/ money can't buy good taste, apparently...
 
2013-10-14 09:42:03 PM

Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?

That's not what that says.

It says right there that the retailer will be responsible for "any amount spent over eligible limits."

That would seem to imply that people were spending over their eligible limits, yes? Otherwise there would be nothing to pay back.


Yes, to someone who doesn't speak English it would "seem to imply" that. Just as my saying, "Elegy will be blowing all the dogs his mother doesn't get around to" would "seem to imply" you'll be pleasing some chihuahuas to someone who doesn't know your mother.
 
2013-10-14 09:50:28 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services' spokesman Trey Williams said the retailers who chose not to use the emergency procedures that limit sales up to $50 per cardholder during an emergency would be responsible for any additional amount spent over eligible benefit balances.

So you're saying that people did, in fact, make it out of the store with groceries they didn't pay for?

That's not what that says.

It says right there that the retailer will be responsible for "any amount spent over eligible limits."

That would seem to imply that people were spending over their eligible limits, yes? Otherwise there would be nothing to pay back.

Yes, to someone who doesn't speak English it would "seem to imply" that. Just as my saying, "Elegy will be blowing all the dogs his mother doesn't get around to" would "seem to imply" you'll be pleasing some chihuahuas to someone who doesn't know your mother.


You really are poor at this you know.

It usually works better if you can at least simulate logic for a whole to keep the other person wound up.

Descending directly into personal insults in an indication that you're losing, not that you're winning.
 
2013-10-14 09:53:15 PM

Elegy: It usually works better if you can at least simulate logic for a whole to keep the other person wound up.


I accidentally the whole thing?
 
2013-10-14 09:56:49 PM
The easiest and cheapest way to handle this would be to ignore it, other than the ordinary accounting.  If someone who gets, say, $200/mo assistance splurged and spent $950 when their balance was $200, they now have a card balance of $-750. Next month their assistance payment will give them a minus $550 balance, then -$350, -$150, and in February they will finally be restored to a whole $50.

Hope they bought well to maintain themselves and their families for the meantime.
 
2013-10-14 10:03:36 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Yes, to someone who doesn't speak English it would "seem to imply" that. Just as my saying, "Elegy will be blowing all the dogs his mother doesn't get around to" would "seem to imply" you'll be pleasing some chihuahuas to someone who doesn't know your mother.


You attempts at logic are terrible.
 
2013-10-14 10:09:21 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Elegy: It usually works better if you can at least simulate logic for a whole to keep the other person wound up.

I accidentally the whole thing?


Autocorrect is my mortal enemy.
 
2013-10-14 11:05:45 PM

DrewFL: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"


Yes! And where do you think the phones come from?
 
2013-10-14 11:27:20 PM

CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.


It won't be theft.  I don't know how much per month a person gets but if it is say $300 and a person sucked out $900, then he just used up this month, next month, and the month after.  He better have shopped well and stocked up I would say.
 
2013-10-14 11:27:36 PM

Masta Kronix: Magnanimous_J: Rik01: These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.

It's almost as if thinking things through isn't a cornerstone of poor swamp trash culture.

Counterpoint, it's almost as if a lack of education and being taught critical thinking skills allows people to make decisions that seem stupid/borderline retarded to those of us who had the luxury of an education worth a damn.

It's not that people are born "poor swamp trash culture" it's that they are born into a "poor swamp trash culture" and don't know any better. Educate somebody and watch how quickly they change.


I would agree that education is important. Unfortunately the real education takes place in the home. So unless you are willing to remove children from their idiot parents to save them from an idiot upbringing the cycle will continue.
 
2013-10-14 11:55:08 PM
Scattered like roaches when the lights came back on.

 / "Get it while you can" - J. Joplin
 
2013-10-15 01:39:25 AM

factoryconnection: When DFAS overpays someone in the military, they just withhold pay until the ledger is balanced.  Of course, EBT is handled by the states so I don't know if they'd go about it the same way, but it would be fair.  After all, it isn't like they "earned" the money in the first place.


This.
 
2013-10-15 02:11:02 AM
According to this article by CSM, the government just paid Wal Mart the balance on the card, so they are the ones holding the bag, not the taxpayers. Wal Mart is blaming Xerox for the glitch and Xerox says that Wal Mart didn't follow proper protocol. Taxpayers aren't going to pay any more than they normally do for this. It will be interesting to see if Wal Mart sucks it up and files an insurance claim or if they sue Xerox for compensation.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2013/1015/Walmar t- Food-stamps-spree-caused-by-Xerox
 
2013-10-15 03:18:49 AM
Ring of Gyges in practice.
 
2013-10-15 03:49:58 AM

Dreyelle: Amazing at how fast word got around.  Is there some kind of free thing phone tree?


They beat the village drums!
 
2013-10-15 04:41:40 AM
Americans aren't stupid, nooooo. What do they do when they find out you have unlimited credit? Tell everybody, make as much noise as you can, and attract the attention of everybody around you on your swag spree at Walmart....I think they never took out the lead in your gasoline.
 
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