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2013-10-14 02:15:28 PM
Amazing at how fast word got around.  Is there some kind of free thing phone tree?
 
2013-10-14 02:16:41 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: bearded clamorer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I thought they already did.

And what's wrong with steak?  You think poor people should never, ever eat red meat?  I mean, I can see that they shouldn't be able to buy prime striploins... but maybe make beef OK under a certain price per pound?  It just seems overly restrictive to me that all steak would be off the menu.  I can do wonders with round steak and a jacquard tenderizer.


I live in Illinois. Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

Don't have a problem with meat, just need to define what types of cuts are appropriate.
 
2013-10-14 02:18:48 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dr Jack Badofsky: HooskerDoo: You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?

Hookers and cocaine would happen.

The bank would come looking for their money, and you'd go to jail.

My US bank?  My ATM card would be stolen, all of it spent or taken out in Canadian funds in another city before I could report it, and I'd follow all procedures for the bank's insurance.


Best if luck to you on that, but I'm pretty sure they're gonna want (and get) that money back.
 
2013-10-14 02:20:50 PM

CruiserTwelve: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back.

Anyone who abused this should be charged with theft.


knowledge and intent, how does that work?
 
2013-10-14 02:21:35 PM

You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?


This actually happened to a buddy of mine. For smaller amounts ("bank" small, not "you and me" small) the bank eats the difference. I imagine for a larger amount, the bank would prosecute. It is essentially the same as an NSF check.

By the way, when the bank eats it, the teller processing the transaction typically gets fired.
 
2013-10-14 02:22:06 PM

hutchkc: And lose that benefit for life. I'm here today because my parents got food stamps and such. It's assholes like the people mentioned that give justification to people that want to get rid of the programs altogether.


Good christ, you self righteous prick, how do you know your parents didnt swap stamps for booze or some such, or just sold them outright for .50 on the dollar. They likely did, so fark you.
 
2013-10-14 02:22:31 PM

Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?


Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.
 
2013-10-14 02:23:11 PM
And I bet most of those people are under the impression that if the transaction went through, they get to keep the stuff without playing anything back because it wasn't their fault the card wasn't working right. And they'll be outraged when it gets deducted from future benefits, angry at the government for keeping their money and wailing about not being able to feed their children. And they will never understand that they spent their benefit money on crap.
 
2013-10-14 02:23:53 PM

bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.


I can. Zero.
 
2013-10-14 02:24:41 PM

The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.


Not to argue, but I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.
 
2013-10-14 02:25:47 PM

jpk_ks: factoryconnection: bearded clamorer: The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I'm guessing that this is the cash benefit side of the EBT account that was f'd up.  SNAP is already restricted as you describe, but there is a cash benefit amount that is supposed to fill in the gaps for purchases at places that don't accept EBT.  I'm not defending the program, just describing it, although I think that food stamps in general is a very good thing to have available.

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Perhaps they just use it like a gift card, swipe it for whatever's left on it and pay the rest out of pocket?  Except this time they just kept working.

I don't think it is - they use that type of restriction to determine what stores can accept SNAP purchases (have to make more than half of their dollars from non-snack food items) but they don't restrict the users from buying nothing but chips and soda if that's what they want to spend their money on.

If I'm wrong - and I truly hope I am - can someone help me find the documentation saying that SNAP is more like WIC because I can't find it anywhere and that's depressing to me.


It may vary by state but in IL when the person checks out the item has a code next to it if link will pay the item andnif not they have to pay cash. Its been a while but I remember soda candy and anything from the deli that was not prepackaged had to be cash payment
 
2013-10-14 02:26:47 PM
If those people had any scruples those people wouldn't have taken advantage of the "glitch"
 
2013-10-14 02:27:51 PM

The Muthaship: Madbassist1: knowledge and intent, how does that work?

Do they not know their limit?  Seems like they would.  If that can be proven, intent can be shown.


It won't be as easy to prove as it is with walmart where it is on record that the line staff recognized a problem and called to ask what to do about it and then were told to assist the people scamming EBT.
 
2013-10-14 02:28:36 PM

Madbassist1: I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.


I don't know how they work, but I'm betting the recipient is told what the monthly benefit is in writing (whether they read it or not is another matter).  That would be hard to overcome in court.
 
2013-10-14 02:30:38 PM
This wouldn't be possible if you had to go stand in line to get your government commodities.  It's not like they're lacking in spare time.
 
2013-10-14 02:30:43 PM

Headso: It won't be as easy to prove as it is with walmart where it is on record that the line staff recognized a problem and called to ask what to do about it and then were told to assist the people scamming EBT.


So they were supposed to stop all sales because there was a possible glitch?  I think that puts them in a tough spot.  Lots of the purchases were probably legitimate.

Of course, if they were letting big screen TVs and such go out, those transactions are going to look bad on them.
 
2013-10-14 02:31:37 PM

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.


Sadly, you are wrong.
 
2013-10-14 02:31:40 PM
Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.
 
2013-10-14 02:31:45 PM

The Muthaship: Madbassist1: I know a couple of people that use it and they just pretty much use it until it quits.

I don't know how they work, but I'm betting the recipient is told what the monthly benefit is in writing (whether they read it or not is another matter).  That would be hard to overcome in court.


We'll have to agree to disagree. How is the recipient told? by letter? By phone call? If its by phone, you might be on to something.
 
2013-10-14 02:32:52 PM

bearded clamorer: Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.

Sadly, you are wrong.


No I'm not.
 
2013-10-14 02:33:53 PM

Madbassist1: How is the recipient told? by letter? By phone call? If its by phone, you might be on to something.


Yeah, I have no idea.  If the card comes in an envelope with the letter, I'd say they are screwed.  They may even have to sign something that outlines their benefit package.
 
2013-10-14 02:34:13 PM

NutWrench: Headso: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

Good thing corporations are only  considered people for the good shiat, that seems almost like they are part of the scam knowingly making profits off this.

I'm the last person to defend WalMart but the people who thought they were getting "free money" are the ones to blame here.


This.

Walmart not accepting EBTs because of the glitch means that they have to refuse to sell to the legit shoppers who needed the food as well as hurt their own profits. All because someone else screwed up?
 
2013-10-14 02:34:21 PM

Madbassist1: bearded clamorer: Can't tell you how many times I've been in line at a grocery store, or even a gas station mini-mart, where children with no adult accompaniment have purchased soda, candy, and junk food with a Link card.

I can. Zero.


There are workaround that Ive seen with the rules of govt assistance programs. Two examples spring to mind:

1) You cant buy a fast food drink with it. So the clerk will tell them they cant ring it up and they can take the straw out or dont put the straw in at all and then its ok to buy.

2) You cant buy hot fast food. So instead of buying the warmed verson of the sandwich, there are cold ones you can buy and then warm it up. What the hell is the difference?

Has anyone else seen this?
 
2013-10-14 02:34:24 PM

Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?


our tax dollars?
 
2013-10-14 02:34:31 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: bearded clamorer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.

I thought they already did.

And what's wrong with steak?  You think poor people should never, ever eat red meat?  I mean, I can see that they shouldn't be able to buy prime striploins... but maybe make beef OK under a certain price per pound?  It just seems overly restrictive to me that all steak would be off the menu.  I can do wonders with round steak and a jacquard tenderizer.


Not on EBT, but here's a trick my ex-sig other and I used for occasional 'steak'...
Try to get a roast that's been discounted for 'sell-by' date (they're marked down by one-third).
Cut against the grain into slices 3/4 to 1" thick. TA-DA!
Steak...and you only have to cook as much as needed...the rest can be frozen.
This works well if you're just cooking for yourself too...you're not stuck eating the same thing for 3-4 days in a row.

/ Grateful to have it at all...but variety is nice too...
 
2013-10-14 02:34:39 PM

rumpelstiltskin: "We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA.

I support this decision on environmental grounds. I've spent some time in LA, and I know that if those people didn't get their Cheerios and Tyson chicken from Walmart, they'd be eating whatever they found in the swamps, most of which is still pending identification by science. Those farkers will eat anything. They don't care how many legs or eyes or what have you some creature's got, if it moves, they'll chase it down and pop it in their mouths. Or mix it with some raw sewage and call it some kind of soup. It's fascinating watching a Louisianan eat. You're minding your own business, checking out the cypress trees, and all of the sudden some local will take a bite and you and all your friends look at each other and say, "Did he just eat that farking thing?"


This made me giggle!
 
2013-10-14 02:35:03 PM

You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?


You would get convicted and sent to jail.
 
2013-10-14 02:38:04 PM

Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.


That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/nyregion/in-obesity-fight-poverty-i s -patient-zero.html?_r=0"
 
2013-10-14 02:38:39 PM

HooskerDoo: You Are All Sheep: so what would happen if you had 1,000,000 put into your bank account by mistake and you spent it all?

Hookers and cocaine would happen.


I was thinking cash and a plane ticket East.  Your plan B works too though.
 
2013-10-14 02:39:10 PM
This has happened at least once or maybe twice before.  I know one time I personally saw people doing the 'Supermarket Sweep' just going down the aisles.  I have no idea what actually happened, but a couple of people managed to get out the door with 2-3 shopping carts full of random groceries.  When I say groceries I mean shiat like 2 carts of pork rinds 1 cart of 24 packs of Diet Coke, with a small bag of generic Cheerios crammed under all the soda.  Yeah, it came out that the people that spent all that money actually spent it out of their accounts, which was suddenly allowed to go negative for a few hours, and yeah they biatched about it when they didn't have any balance on the card for two months.
 
2013-10-14 02:39:28 PM
I'm guessing it was honor the EBT cards or have a full scale violent riot.

BTW Did they leave any Heineken on the shelves?
 
2013-10-14 02:39:54 PM
Some poor people got away with something?

Well, we certainly can't have that.
 
2013-10-14 02:40:38 PM

Masta Kronix: That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.


I bet they cleaned out the healthy stuff while money was no object then, right?
 
2013-10-14 02:43:17 PM
In light of the EBT shutdown which preceded this, I think it's possible we don't have the full story here. And it may in fact be a hoax.

/facebook photo of empty shelves?
 
2013-10-14 02:43:32 PM

maniacbastard: You would get convicted and sent to jail.


Those comments are rather entertaining.
 
2013-10-14 02:43:50 PM

the_rev: Elegy: Nabb1: Anyone who abused this should have to pay it back. Parasites. (Not all EBT card users, just the ones who decided to hose the taxpayers.)

And they would pay it back with...... What, exactly?

$50 per month withheld from their allowance until the debt was paid.


With interest.
 
2013-10-14 02:44:20 PM

Masta Kronix: Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.

That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/nyregion/in-obesity-fight-poverty-i s -patient-zero.html?_r=0"


Yep when I started my diet and lost 150 pounds my food budget dubbled but I get home with fewer bags of food. But there are some cheap and healthy options if you know what to look for and dont mind eating the same thing every day for a week
 
2013-10-14 02:44:45 PM

MilesTeg: I'm guessing it was honor the EBT cards or have a full scale violent riot.

BTW Did they leave any Heineken on the shelves?


I live in Louisiana. I had to run to the grocery store on Saturday and staff were at the front advising everyone they were only accepting debit, credit, cash and checks (i.e. no SNAP or EBT), and there was no trouble that I could see. And this was in New Orleans where a huge segment of the population is on public assistance.
 
2013-10-14 02:45:05 PM
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2013-10-14 02:45:53 PM
And now a lot of these guys have 20 pounds of steaks in their fridges, which will start going bad in a week because there's no room left in the freezer. Food they'll have to throw out pretty soon (or resell quickly as soon as they figure this out). And a useless food card for the next couple of months, as well.
 
2013-10-14 02:46:50 PM
Walmart could have said no transactions will be processed until this bug has been worked out, or at least allow discretion or limits on transaction totals. Instead while fully aware of the issue, they decided to let orders process.

Yes there should be some responsibility on those who chose to take advantage of the situation, but Walmart is hardly innocent here. They also have more means to pay for it as well.
 
2013-10-14 02:48:02 PM

bearded clamorer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

I'll just bet you were.  This was a windfall for Wal-Mart, too.  I just love how they pretend it was "so people could get food for their families".  Very close to "It's for the kids!"

The government needs to restrict the kinds of items purchased on EBT cards.
No soda, skittles, steak, or skrimps.
Just a well defined list of staples, similar to the WIC program.


Part of the problem with the WIC program (at least in Indiana) is that it gives a wasteful amount of the staples.  One of my coworkers in grad school had WIC for his wife and 2 kids and got so much milk and cereal that it was what he ate for dinner most days.  They were hurting for money since they made $22k before taxes for a family of 4 so they took all the assistance they could, but it would have been much more reasonable if they could buy regular food along with the milk and cereal.  There should be no problems with ANY raw food whether it is steak and shrimp or beans and rice.  I have even heard people complaining about the price of chicken when they could simply buy a whole chicken and feed their family for $6.
 
2013-10-14 02:49:28 PM
They're all gonna be upset when they realize they're going to have to pay it back.

The system is like that. I was on SSI before getting on Disability. When Disability started, I got one SSI check a few days after. Shortly after that, Social Security sent me a letter, demanding the check or equal funds returned to them or they would subtract the amount from my next Disability check.

I returned it.

When my Uncle passed, I was his executor. The lawyer I used froze his accounts pending settling everything. A social security check arrived for my Uncle and it had to be sent back, or Social Security would deduct it from his bank account and/or his estate or make me responsible (as his executor) for repaying.

The Government, in the Social Assistance System, doesn't like loosing money.

Due to a glitch, I once got overpaid a few bucks with Disability -- and they took it back out of the next check.

These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.

Either that, or they'll simply decrease your allotment by $50 or so each 'recharge' until the debt is paid.

You'd think folks would learn. FARK has had many stories of people who, upon discovering a bank error gave them a huge amount of money in their accounts, promptly went and spent it -- only to be sued into paying it back and/or winding up in court for theft.

Then there was the money Order/check scam. Someone would get a check in the mail, with a note telling them to cash it, send a small portion back to the sender and keep the rest for their trouble. Naturally, they did -- the check bounced and they had to repay the amount. Some, being 'clever' suckered friends into cashing the check, knowing it would take a day or two for the bank to verify it. Then the friend would get hit with the charges, who, supposedly, would escape legal problems by having been duped.

Doesn't work that way. Everyone involved gets dragged into court. Except the original sender, who is usually in Africa.

It always amuses me when I see these folks in court, defending their actions for basically stealing money and thoroughly pi$$ed off that they have to pay it back. That's what's going to happen here. Those EBT users will be OUTRAGED that they have to pay the money back and out will come the race card.
 
2013-10-14 02:49:31 PM

URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-10-14 02:51:20 PM
www.natgeocreative.com
 
2013-10-14 02:52:40 PM

DrewFL: URAPNIS: How would the user know how much was left on the card? They can't be held accountable.

Yeah, totally.  It's not like they have cell Obama-phones to call their friends and say "Get your ass up to walmart, EBT's are unlimited!"


/FTFE
 
2013-10-14 02:53:19 PM

cardex: Masta Kronix: Pick: Did you ever notice that people who pay for their groceries with EBT are fat? I swear I have never seen a skinny or normal weight person use an EBT.

That's because Poverty = Obesity due to the horrible food options that are available at cheap prices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/nyregion/in-obesity-fight-poverty-i s -patient-zero.html?_r=0"

Yep when I started my diet and lost 150 pounds my food budget dubbled but I get home with fewer bags of food. But there are some cheap and healthy options if you know what to look for and dont mind eating the same thing every day for a week


i think the only way to eat on the cheap is fall in love with rice and beans (the kind that you soak overnight, not the kind in a can).  and, on a real luxurious day, maybe some potatoes.
 
2013-10-14 02:53:26 PM
how about this, "$50 or $100 limit on all EBT purchases while the system is down"
 
2013-10-14 02:53:30 PM

Rik01: These EBT cards are registered to the users. A record is kept of each use including what was purchased. If you have a $250 limit and go and manage to buy $500 worth of approved goods, chances are, for the next month you'll get zero credit.


It's almost as if thinking things through isn't a cornerstone of poor swamp trash culture.
 
2013-10-14 02:55:27 PM

Dafatone: Some poor people got away with something?

Well, we certainly can't have that.


It should be nice and legal like when Uncle Sam giving banks money at no interest over the last several years. Same taxpayer screw job but legal.
 
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