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(Wisconsin Gazette)   Want to get married in Utah? State says you must be straight and should want to be involved in responsible procreation   (wisconsingazette.com) divider line 14
    More: Stupid, Utah, discrimination laws, Freedom to Marry, personal rights, same-sex couples  
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2013-10-14 01:58:27 PM
5 votes:
This is, of course, why old people and those who are sterile can't get married in Utah.
2013-10-14 02:54:31 PM
4 votes:
"Same-sex couples, who cannot procreate, do not promote the state's interests in responsible procreation (regardless of whether they harm it)," the state argues.

Hmm, that sounds familiar. Let's ask Heinrich:

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I would like to go over with you a couple of ideas on the issue of homosexuality. Among the homosexuals there are those who take the view: what I do is nobody else's business, it is a purely private matter. However, all things which happen in the sexual sphere are not the private affair of the individual, but impinge upon the life and death of the nation and mean world power or swissification. A people which has many children has the qualifications for world power and world domination. A people of good race which has too few children has a sure ticket for the grave, for insignificance in 50 to 100 years, for burial in two hundred and fifty years.

Also:

Rudolf Diels, the founder of the Gestapo, recorded some of Hitler's personal thoughts on the subject: "He lectured me on the role of homosexuality in history and politics. It had destroyed ancient Greece, he said. Once rife, it extended its contagious effects like an ineluctable law of nature to the best and most manly of characters, eliminating from the reproductive process precisely those men on whose offspring a nation depended. The immediate result of the vice was, however, that unnatural passion swiftly became dominant in public affairs if it were allowed to spread unchecked."
2013-10-14 01:21:32 PM
4 votes:
I have a very hard time believing that straights are better than gays when it comes to responsible procreation.
2013-10-14 02:28:48 PM
3 votes:
Is Utah going to ban married people from elective vasectomies or tubal ligations too?
2013-10-14 02:40:39 PM
2 votes:
The state further argues the case is "really about who decides, not who is right in this important policy debate," and that Amendment 3 does not discriminate because "neither a man nor a woman may marry a person of the same sex."

So then laws forbidding people marrying different races is not discriminator either then? (that's not what the SCOTUS said)
2013-10-14 02:34:55 PM
2 votes:
Oh, this will bite them on the ass. I'm a straight chick. I'm also surgically sterile. So if I got married, am I suddenly not married anymore in Utah?

/single
2013-10-14 03:05:46 PM
1 votes:
I have issues with the state!

They claim they want to promote "the optimal mode of child rearing", but I don't believe that the nuclear family is it.  The nuclear family teaches children to live by base tribalism at all levels, fostering a strong focus on greed and self-satisfaction.  It teaches children to vie for interest from their parents and to pit their authority figures against each other, as well as to submit to authority without questioning.

The optimal mode of child rearing would be an adult gender separation by which the men and women are separated.  The men would provision for the women, and the women would collaboratively raise children.  Adult males would likely still chose a singular mate and represent responsible fathership; but the actual raising of children would be such that mothers are considered to be a group, and children are considered to be raised in community rather than in family.

I request as such that the State of Utah submit research into the effectiveness of the Nuclear Family model of child rearing in comparison with other modes of child rearing.
2013-10-14 02:53:16 PM
1 votes:
I've always thought it funny about how some people view sex.

First they say "You're not animals, you can control your sexual urges and not have sex until you're married".
Then when you're married they say "all sex is for pro-creation only".....which is what animals do.........

So what are we, animals or humans?!

I'm a 48 year old widow and empty nester.  I will be marrying again and I'll be DAMNED if we are going to be having any children!  Marriage is more than just about children.

/am a human animal, rawrrrrrrr
2013-10-14 02:29:08 PM
1 votes:
Nothing would make me happier then for the courts to force Utah to allow gay marriage.  It would be the worst thing to happen to those bigots since the Supreme Court told them they could only have one wife at a time.
2013-10-14 02:22:20 PM
1 votes:
Funny how things change with just a little bit of travel time.  I got married in the state next door to Utah. (Nevada)  The only 2 things I remember being asked were "Are you currently married?" (no) and "Are you drunk?" (I was).

/12 year anniversary coming up next month.
2013-10-14 02:16:49 PM
1 votes:

Cagey B: This is, of course, why old people and those who are sterile can't get married in Utah.


I'd applaud the consistency if that was part of it
2013-10-14 02:16:22 PM
1 votes:
You don't need to be straight, you just need to marry someone of the opposite sex.   Totally non-discriminatory.
2013-10-14 02:14:43 PM
1 votes:

stpauler: I have a very hard time believing that straights are better than gays when it comes to responsible procreation.


You have a very good point. It's kinda difficult for a gay couple to accidentally get pregnant.
2013-10-14 01:56:59 PM
1 votes:
Want to get married in Utah?

No.
 
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