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2013-10-14 01:11:30 PM

anfrind: Mugato: orclover: Well if praying didnt fix the cancer, then you were not praying hard enough.

That sort of belief indicates a belief in a God who is a real dick. I don't see how anyone could argue that point.

Man creates God in his own image.


I was so pissed when they took that line out of the director's cut.
 
2013-10-14 01:11:35 PM

Weaver95: I dunno....I'm wondering just how ,inch damage the GOP can do to itself and survive. This shut down was bad enough, but if the tea party actually causes a default the damage to the republican brand could be a fatal wound they'll never recover from. It's almost worth dealing with the world wide economic disaster to see the GOP finally ended as a viable political party.

Almost.


I would absolutely love to see the GOP collapse. I think it would be the beginning of a renewal of our entire system of government, as I have serious doubts that the Democratic party could really continue to survive in its current form without the two parties propping each other up. A lot of awful things that both parties currently get away with would suddenly be up for serious debate, as they couldn't really depend on the principle of the lesser evil to protect them as much.

But I don't think that forcing such a revolutionary change would necessarily be in our best interests. A slower, more natural and controllable change would be preferable to a catastrophic upheaval of the way things currently work.
 
2013-10-14 01:13:52 PM
To piss off a Republican, quote this: Mark 3:25

/Your welcome.
 
2013-10-14 01:14:15 PM

GhostFish: I know it might be heretical to suggest, but I have to wonder if maybe Left leaning individuals should swallow their pride and start throwing serious support and votes to the more moderate GOP candidates in red states. The principle of the lesser evil sucks, but if there's little to no chance of a Democrat victory somewhere...wouldn't you rather have the less insane Republican? And one who knows that he won because he received help from Democrats? Yes, accepting that help might hurt him some. But there has to be a point where the tradeoff is acceptable, doesn't there?

The Tea Party has been dragging the GOP further and further to the right by threatening to deny support. Maybe we could drive them more to the left by offering it?


If you live in a gerrymandered district where only one party has any chance of winning, you could register with the majority party (even if you disagree with most of their platform) and then vote in the primaries for the most moderate candidate.  It might not accomplish much, but in a gerrymandered district it might accomplish more than voting for the minority party candidate would.
 
2013-10-14 01:14:56 PM

Weaver95: No, I think its fair to characterize the GOP goals and idology as monsterous. They want to turn this country into a theocracy and force us to worship their gods. I'd call that pretty monsterous. ESP since theocracies tend to do very bad things to unbelievers and heretics.


You see that's why I like the Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Marco Rubio of the party. A lot more smaller government talk with much less Jebus talk.

"I am always skeptical of politicians who say, 'I'm running because God told me to." -Ted Cruz
 
2013-10-14 01:15:43 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: To piss off a Republican, quote this: Mark 3:25

/Your welcome.


I asked one if she was a sheep or a goat. She almost assploded in rage.
 
2013-10-14 01:16:49 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Turned out to be a bigger f#cking deal than thought, eh?

[i.huffpost.com image 260x190]


Yea, I guess all those conservatives saying "slimdown" were wrong.
 
2013-10-14 01:17:36 PM

Holfax: I wondered why that chart seemed to show an opposite trend to most other charts, then I saw "Heritage Foundation" at the bottom. Ah.


That was a projection by Heritage if the Bush tax cuts were passed. They were and Heritage was a wee bit off. Yet we should totally take them seriously now!
 
2013-10-14 01:17:38 PM

Witty_Retort: HindiDiscoMonster: To piss off a Republican, quote this: Mark 3:25

/Your welcome.

I asked one if she was a sheep or a goat. She almost assploded in rage.


Yeah, that one really, REALLY pisses them off.
 
2013-10-14 01:18:07 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: TheShavingofOccam123: I'm so glad the Heritage Foundation has this country's best interest at heart.

/Congress passed Obamacare

You find me one politician that doesn't think that them winning isn't good for the country and I'll see that quote as a negative.

Everyone thinks they are on the correct side! It's isn't a Joss Whedon tv show! People on the whole do not do evil just for the sake of doing evil. Haven't you heard "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"? I really think that the President and the Democrats thought that the ACA would be a good thing. And believe it or not there is some good stuff in there. But by the time we cobbled it all together it became a monster that needs to be put down.


At the risk of a global economic catastrophe if America defaults?
 
2013-10-14 01:20:03 PM

Weaver95: No, I think its fair to characterize the GOP goals and idology as monsterous. They want to turn this country into a theocracy and force us to worship their gods. I'd call that pretty monsterous. ESP since theocracies tend to do very bad things to unbelievers and heretics.


The Theocratic elements are certainly frightening in their own right. I'm just not convinced that it's fair or accurate to say that they're motivated by hate and disdain for the poor.
 
2013-10-14 01:20:20 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Weaver95: No, I think its fair to characterize the GOP goals and idology as monsterous. They want to turn this country into a theocracy and force us to worship their gods. I'd call that pretty monsterous. ESP since theocracies tend to do very bad things to unbelievers and heretics.

You see that's why I like the Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Marco Rubio of the party. A lot more smaller government talk with much less Jebus talk.

"I am always skeptical of politicians who say, 'I'm running because God told me to." -Ted Cruz


You mean the same Rand Paul who just said there's a worldwide war on Christianity, and the duty of America is to protect Christians from Muslims?
 
2013-10-14 01:21:28 PM
FTFA: "There's no question in my mind that I have more influence now on public policy than I did as an individual senator," DeMint told NPR recently.

Yeah, and we all know who to thank for that one ...
 
2013-10-14 01:23:32 PM

GhostFish: Weaver95: No, I think its fair to characterize the GOP goals and idology as monsterous. They want to turn this country into a theocracy and force us to worship their gods. I'd call that pretty monsterous. ESP since theocracies tend to do very bad things to unbelievers and heretics.

The Theocratic elements are certainly frightening in their own right. I'm just not convinced that it's fair or accurate to say that they're motivated by hate and disdain for the poor.


Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.
 
2013-10-14 01:24:05 PM

grumpfuff: You mean the same Rand Paul who just said there's a worldwide war on Christianity, and the duty of America is to protect Christians from Muslims?


I said less. And that's not exactly "God told me to" which frankly is the scariest thing a politician can say.

Well, maybe second to "We're from the government and we're here to help"
 
2013-10-14 01:27:48 PM

neversubmit: The tank is empty.


i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-14 01:31:56 PM

GhostFish: maybe Left leaning individuals should swallow their pride and start throwing serious support and votes to the more moderate GOP candidates in red states.



Like who?  And what does "moderate" mean?  Temperament?

Take for example Jon Huntsman.  Everybody's favorite "moderate."  I understand he's a nice guy with pretty teeth and hair, but he has no substantive disagreements with Michell Bachmann.

Fact is candidates are just wrappers of personality.  The only thing that really tells you anything about their policy positions is the party they belong to -- whether they have a crazed look in their eye or not.  And the present GOP platform is nearly 100% unsupportable.  Ergo, they'll get none of my votes.
 
2013-10-14 01:33:03 PM

GhostFish: TV's Vinnie: The right wing hates poor people. The right wing wants poor people to starve, suffer, and die.

I think this is a bit hyperbolic, and ignores the more benevolent if misguided goals of the GOP.


-- benevolent
-- gop

emotibot.net
 
2013-10-14 01:34:17 PM

GhostFish: I know it might be heretical to suggest, but I have to wonder if maybe Left leaning individuals should swallow their pride and start throwing serious support and votes to the more moderate GOP candidates in red states. The principle of the lesser evil sucks, but if there's little to no chance of a Democrat victory somewhere...wouldn't you rather have the less insane Republican? And one who knows that he won because he received help from Democrats? Yes, accepting that help might hurt him some. But there has to be a point where the tradeoff is acceptable, doesn't there?

The Tea Party has been dragging the GOP further and further to the right by threatening to deny support. Maybe we could drive them more to the left by offering it?


The problem is, the less insane Republicans act to enable the more insane ones.  Just look at the shutdown; how many Republicans have spoken out to say how stupid and crazy this is?  And yet none have broken ranks to end it.

If the crazy assholes are just going to run things anyway, I'd honestly rather it be them that win the elections than their enablers.  At least then, their crazy is front-and-center where everybody can see it.
 
2013-10-14 01:35:06 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You find me one politician that doesn't think that them winning isn't good for the country and I'll see that quote as a negative.


Conservatives see "the country" as only "people like me"

So yes, they think they are doing good for "the country"  by harming most Americans.
 
2013-10-14 01:36:08 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: grumpfuff: You mean the same Rand Paul who just said there's a worldwide war on Christianity, and the duty of America is to protect Christians from Muslims?

I said less. And that's not exactly "God told me to" which frankly is the scariest thing a politician can say.

Well, maybe second to "We're from the government and we're here to help"


Take faith in Reagan's ancient campaign slogans, for they are true and righteous and wise. Never trust your own elected government and fill it only with men pledged to be its enemies. And buy lots of gold for when your society collapses into ruin.
 
2013-10-14 01:37:32 PM
How can the Republicans "authentically lead" when they lose elections? How is their leadership "authentic"?
 
2013-10-14 01:38:51 PM

Mugato: Don't be too proud of this Tea Party terror you've constructed. The ability to attempt to destroy Obamacare is insignificant next to the power of people who have brain stems.

Really, serious question, what is the "given" reason for the obsession with stopping Obamacare? And don't tell me that it'll cost too much. We waste more money on defense spending on shiat that we'll never even use and foreign aid that doesn't benefit us in the least than we ever will on health care for our own citizens.



Well that is the given reason... that it will cost too much. It's bullshiat, but that's the reason they'll give you. It isn't the real reason though. The real reason for the obsession with "Obamacare"? Power. It all comes back to power.

The legislators doing this don't have the power they need to force through the things they want so they're resorting to extorionist tactics.

The legislators doing this don't want to lose the power they have by being primaried out by their far-right constituencies if they compromise with Democrats, so to them personally these tactics are more acceptable than the alternative.

The constituents they seek to represent are typically older, white, christians.... and they want the power back they see slipping away in a country which is increasingly brown and secular. Because they tend towards religious fundamentalism they also seek power over the lives of those who don't share their beliefs, who they consider inferior. And when you have the strength of fundamentalist religious convictions (about the risk/reward consequences to the nation) self-delusion can be an incredibly powerful thing.
 
2013-10-14 01:39:32 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: grumpfuff: You mean the same Rand Paul who just said there's a worldwide war on Christianity, and the duty of America is to protect Christians from Muslims?

I said less. And that's not exactly "God told me to" which frankly is the scariest thing a politician can say.

Well, maybe second to "We're from the government and we're here to help"


Sure, it's not AS scary as "God told me to." But it's still pretty farking frightening. I don't see it as drastically different. It's still calling for the government to act in a religiously-motivated manner.
 
2013-10-14 01:39:36 PM
Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.

24.media.tumblr.com


you need a hobby
 
2013-10-14 01:40:36 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

you need a hobby


Coming from Mr. "I come into threats to post one-liners and/or terrible jpgs and gifs", that's rich.
 
2013-10-14 01:42:31 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.



you need a hobby


Are you saying those people aren't real? You should check out late night and Sunday morning TV.
 
2013-10-14 01:46:15 PM
I think the Supreme Court deserves a big "fark you" for Citizens United, which is the lube that makes this rape possible.
 
2013-10-14 01:53:16 PM

Shakin_Haitian: Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.

you need a hobby

Are you saying those people aren't real? You should check out late night and Sunday morning TV.


No, I'm saying they are not to be feared.
 
2013-10-14 01:56:42 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Shakin_Haitian: Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.

you need a hobby

Are you saying those people aren't real? You should check out late night and Sunday morning TV.

No, I'm saying they are not to be feared.


Do you realize how much money the prosperity gospel preachers have put into the republican party? Billions, that's the short answer. They are a very real threat to the rest of us.
 
2013-10-14 01:58:06 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: The Stealth Hippopotamus: TheShavingofOccam123: I'm so glad the Heritage Foundation has this country's best interest at heart.

/Congress passed Obamacare

You find me one politician that doesn't think that them winning isn't good for the country and I'll see that quote as a negative.

Everyone thinks they are on the correct side! It's isn't a Joss Whedon tv show! People on the whole do not do evil just for the sake of doing evil. Haven't you heard "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"? I really think that the President and the Democrats thought that the ACA would be a good thing. And believe it or not there is some good stuff in there. But by the time we cobbled it all together it became a monster that needs to be put down.

At the risk of a global economic catastrophe if America defaults?


How else are they going to Go Galt and achieve Randian nirvana unless you destroy the entire economy?
 
2013-10-14 02:01:24 PM

grumpfuff: Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

you need a hobby

Coming from Mr. "I come into threats to post one-liners and/or terrible jpgs and gifs", that's rich.


HEY!!

I've spent some very enjoyable hours postings jpegs and gifs.
 
2013-10-14 02:03:41 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Shakin_Haitian: Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.

you need a hobby

Are you saying those people aren't real? You should check out late night and Sunday morning TV.

No, I'm saying they are not to be feared.


bonzer5.com

Except we're learning the man behind this curtain is more evil and dangerous that the false image he projects.
 
2013-10-14 02:05:49 PM

skozlaw: The predominant belief seems to be that Congress can't approve new spending unless there's room in the Treasury's spending authority even though the whole reason the current limit is being hit is because previous Congresses did exactly the opposite by approving spending they couldn't pay for.

It's no wonder go-tards like Cruz manage to get elected. People have absolute no idea what's going on, no interest in learning, but they're very, very angry about it anyway.


Even members of congress seem to think this.
 
2013-10-14 02:09:23 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Turned out to be a bigger f#cking deal than thought, eh?

[i.huffpost.com image 260x190]


are any of the things you post supposed to make sense, or are you just proud of your newly found ability to post pictures?
 
2013-10-14 02:13:32 PM
Weaver95:   They are a very real threat to the rest of us.

Yeah, well, . . . nope, I don't see the threat.  I think $80+ trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities is a threat, but gospel preachers?  You're pulling my leg, right?
 
2013-10-14 02:14:57 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

you need a hobby


Staying informed is a hobby of sorts.

Staying ignorant seems to be more of a job with some.
 
2013-10-14 02:15:43 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Zeb Hesselgresser: Turned out to be a bigger f#cking deal than thought, eh?

[i.huffpost.com image 260x190]

are any of the things you post supposed to make sense, or are you just proud of your newly found ability to post pictures?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-14 02:19:12 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: grumpfuff: Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

you need a hobby

Coming from Mr. "I come into threats to post one-liners and/or terrible jpgs and gifs", that's rich.

HEY!!

I've spent some very enjoyable hours postings jpegs and gifs.


The bolded part is key. There is nothing terrible about yoga pants or redhead threads, except maybe that there aren't enough of them
 
2013-10-14 02:33:23 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   They are a very real threat to the rest of us.

Yeah, well, . . . nope, I don't see the threat.  I think $80+ trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities is a threat, but gospel preachers?  You're pulling my leg, right?


Anyone with that much money at their disposal is influential, especially in this society. Or did you seriously mean to suggest that money dosent influence US poltics?
 
2013-10-14 02:40:16 PM

grumpfuff: There is nothing terrible about yoga pants


CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

yogadork.com
 
2013-10-14 02:41:33 PM
The Teatards are a think tank?  Don't you need some modicum of intelligence and education to be a think tank?  The Tea Party is more like a tank of raw sewage, filled with all the verbal diarrhea that comes spewing out its collective mouths.
 
2013-10-14 02:42:59 PM

jst3p: grumpfuff: There is nothing terrible about yoga pants

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

[yogadork.com image 580x318]


You're a terrible person and should feel bad.

/but it might float someone's boat, so there's that
 
2013-10-14 02:45:44 PM
To the tea party, a "think tank" is were you take people that think about things, and drown them.
 
2013-10-14 02:48:15 PM
Tea Party and think are words that don't go together.
 
2013-10-14 02:48:42 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Zeb Hesselgresser: Turned out to be a bigger f#cking deal than thought, eh?

[i.huffpost.com image 260x190]

are any of the things you post supposed to make sense, or are you just proud of your newly found ability to post pictures?

[i.imgur.com image 468x356]


heh.

I'll allow it.  Please continue.  =)
 
2013-10-14 02:50:05 PM

Mugato: Don't be too proud of this Tea Party terror you've constructed. The ability to attempt to destroy Obamacare is insignificant next to the power of people who have brain stems.


Brain stems...has your sad devotion to that ancient biological fluke granted you clairvoyance enough to find the ACORN hidden base? Or to locate the Gay Agenda?
 
2013-10-14 02:52:23 PM

jst3p: grumpfuff: There is nothing terrible about yoga pants

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

[yogadork.com image 580x318]


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

I did small so as not to upset lunches...
 
2013-10-14 03:12:43 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: I did small so as not to upset lunches...


I off set.

img89.imageshack.us
 
2013-10-14 03:22:50 PM

Diogenes: Zeb Hesselgresser: Shakin_Haitian: Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:   Read up on the prosperity gospel sometime. That's the biggest theological faction among GOP evangelical groups within the party. A very toxic and corrupt variant of heretical christianity that justifies almost any action taken by the rich and powerful.

you need a hobby

Are you saying those people aren't real? You should check out late night and Sunday morning TV.

No, I'm saying they are not to be feared.

[bonzer5.com image 500x333]

Except we're learning the man behind this curtain is more evil and dangerous that the false image he projects.


Combine this with End Times believers, who secretly accept global climate change and the damage we're doing to the environment, but it doesn't matter, see, since Jeesus is a-comin' back Real Soon Now, and all this was prophesied anyway as the bad ol' Great Tribulation stuff (e.g. Revelation 16:8−9 re: global warming and/or ozone depletion, and prior verses in the same chapter re: oceanic and inland water pollution [especially "red tide"]), so we can go ahead and take the big bucks from the corporate pollutocrats (spelling intentional) to further the cause of Christ. He'll love that (never mind that bit in Revelation about God destroying them that destroyeth the Earth). Also no need to worry about leaving a functioning economy and civilization for our offspring, 'cuz we're all about to be Raptured any day now, and the unsaved heathens can just deal with the mess we made of things.

If Christianity at all is true, then all of these (pretty much all of right-wing fundamentalist evangelical "Christianity"), most especially including Prosperity Gospel and New Apostolic Reformation (aka NARaites ― ask Great Porn Dragon about them) and other Dominionists, are collectively the Second Beast aka False Prophet of Revelation. The First aka Great Beast often mis-called "the Antichrist" whom the Second Beast aka False Prophet persuades its followers to worship like unto God Himself, is Corporate Personhood. And Bablyon the Great is the modern USA under their rule. All of this can be backed up from the Bible, and is according to the interpretations (he refers to them as "discernments") of a man who claims to be none other than one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation. I don't seriously believe him, but his exegesis is interesting indeed, and it does seem to fit.
 
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