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(Fox 17 Grand Rapids)   Be careful where you do drugs. Especially if it's an LSD trip, because sometimes you'll believe that it's okay to take off all your clothes and wander into people's homes. And some people are armed and not in the mood for your shiat   (fox17online.com) divider line 33
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2013-10-14 12:23:46 PM
3 votes:

SpectroBoy: chevydeuce: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.

Good for you that you have such tolerance for naked strangers in your bedroom.....I don't possess that level of philanthropy....

It's not philanthropy it is basic human decency. 

I have been in PRECISELY this situation once. Woke up to find an intoxicated and (nearly) naked man in the house. Since he was clearly intoxicated and not an immediate threat I turned on the lights, woke up the other people in the house, and ordered him to leave.

He just stood there confused at first so I called the cops. Before the cops even got there I was able to sort of shove him out the front door (without his pants or wallet).

You are literally saying that you would KILL another human because they did something dumb on drugs (but never actually attempted to harm you). You are also admitting that you are such a pussy the only possible solution you see to this problem is to cower behind a gun.


Glad it worked out for you and the drunked stranger and hope it never happens again to you, or if it does the outcome is the same.  Call me a pussy all you want...doesn't change the fact that I would have no compunction whatsoever about killing or otherwise wounding an uninvited stranger in my house, ESPECIALLY in a "late night, wake me up standing over my bed scenario" (naked or not, drunk/high or not).  Like elections, decisions have consequences.  Getting that drunk or high is a bad decision and one might have to suffer those consequences because of it.
2013-10-14 12:10:19 PM
3 votes:

SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.


Good for you that you have such tolerance for naked strangers in your bedroom.....I don't possess that level of philanthropy....
2013-10-14 01:19:05 PM
2 votes:
Well, no one should die for kicking a lion in the dick, either, but that's just not the world we live in.
2013-10-14 12:41:36 PM
2 votes:

SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.


It's got nothing to do with what anyone deserves. It's a simple matter of cause and effect. You break into someone's house and wander naked into their bedroom; odds are that you're gonna get shot. You put yourself in a situation where your actions appear threatening and are well over the line for where you're owed any benefit of the doubt from the homeowner.

It would play out the same way if someone on an acid trip decided to dance in the freeway or make love to a bear.

Those aren't crimes that most people would say deserve to be punished by becoming a hood ornament on a Kenworth or grizzly scat, but the universe doesn't really care about such notions of justice.
2013-10-14 12:31:52 PM
2 votes:

chevydeuce: Glad it worked out for you and the drunked stranger and hope it never happens again to you, or if it does the outcome is the same.  Call me a pussy all you want...doesn't change the fact that I would have no compunction whatsoever about killing or otherwise wounding an uninvited stranger in my house, ESPECIALLY in a "late night, wake me up standing over my bed scenario" (naked or not, drunk/high or not).  Like elections, decisions have consequences.  Getting that drunk or high is a bad decision and one might have to suffer those consequences because of it.


The consequences for you and your family will be MUCH less severe if you don't shoot him. You would probably end up on court. Depending on the room and gun you risk your hearing. And have you ever cleaned up a house after a person bleeds to death on a carpet?!?!?

Seriously, it's best for everyone to hold your fire until there is no other choice.

I am not anti-gun. And I certainly believe every person has the right of self defence up to and including deadly force. I just think it is incumbent upon each of us to seek a less violent end if possible.

The homeowner in the article did exactly that, by the way.
2013-10-14 12:11:12 PM
2 votes:
Cormee:

If he wouldn't normally do it, and he did it wile on drugs, well then, yes, the drugs did have a part to play.

If we start excusing actions or lessening penalties because someone was under the influence of a substance, well, that pretty much green lights things like drunk driving. In no way, shape, or form are the drugs to blame. The idiot that took them is to blame. If his actions cause him to do something that warrants get peppered with 00 shot, it's on him.
2013-10-14 12:04:36 PM
2 votes:
Good that the guy didn't get shot
Wouldn't feel sorry for him if he had been shot

/aren't drugs a grand thing....
2013-10-14 12:03:57 PM
2 votes:

SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.


You forgot the part about breaking into a home and standing naked over a couple in the middle of the night. I suppose it wasn't his fault because the acid made him do it, right?
2013-10-14 11:29:36 AM
2 votes:
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.
2013-10-14 06:52:55 PM
1 votes:
You see, there are just far too many people in this thread who wishes this didn't play out with everyone alive. "Everyone lives" is a bad status for them.
2013-10-14 02:26:00 PM
1 votes:

johnboy2978: I can't imagine in this day and age where people are killed over a cell phone or a pair of shoes, or worse yet, because some pack of thugs were merely "bored", that anyone would advocate that you are the nut-job for shooting someone in this scenario


I find it amusing when everyone paints these pictures of how dangerous it is in the streets when the national murder rate is as low it has been in a century.
2013-10-14 02:02:27 PM
1 votes:

maxximillian: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.

Um yeah you take too much of a drug you may in fact die. Whether it be an overdose, a bad reaction, or drug induced stupid. Sorry... Well no I don't think I am.



Does not have to be that way. There are perfectly good, non toxic drugs that will/can remove all reality from you, temporarily, perfectly safely.
Shame you have been lied to for your entire life by the authority that demands your support, money and "trust".
2013-10-14 02:00:44 PM
1 votes:

Gothnet: Even if the answer was "give me your wallet" we might be alright, because honestly, I am not going to shoot someone over a few bucks.


So, you might not shoot an armed home invader in the middle of the night who demands you hand over your wallet, because *mumble *mumble human life?

Someone who breaks into a private, occupied residence, at night no less, deserves no benefit of the doubt.  And that goes doubly if they're armed.

/the contents of my wallet are worth more than the life of someone who would invade my home and try to rob me in the middle of the night
2013-10-14 01:40:48 PM
1 votes:

ferretman: My friend told me a story of an incident that happened at a party he went to in college. A kid 'dosed' himself with liquid LSD in his eyes....a little bit later someone asked him for some orange juice....the kid thought he turned into a glass of orange juice and was screaming at people not to spill him...got so bad that an ambulance was called to take the kid away...and the kid never recovered.

/never did LSD....not really interested/too scared.
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That's an urban myth, a really, really old one. People used to say it about Syd Barret.
2013-10-14 01:35:08 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

I am assuming you are pro gun rights.

This kind of talk is WHY other people want to take away guns. You are basically saying that as an armed civilian you would KILL another human because he got too high and did something dumb. The first step to keeping gun rights is probably to stop validating the argument that gun owners are all bloodthirsty nutjob


Ya before you do anything to someone in your house in the middle of the night you should do some type of interview or perhaps you should leave like a questionnaire in every room of the house so you can determine the intent of people who have broken into your home.

Please check the reason for your visit

[  ]  Robbery
[  ] Rape
[  ]  Murder
[  ] All of the above
[  ] On drugs and in the wrong house (including booze)
[  ] Other  _________________________________
2013-10-14 01:26:45 PM
1 votes:

Mentalpatient87: Seems to me that the people coming in here to wag their dicks about how they would have killed someone might have a desire to just kill someone. And we let people like this have guns?




Makes as much sense as letting yourself be disarmed by people who think its ok for naked strangers to break into your house.

The kid may not be responsible for his actions on drugs, but he is responsible for taking a mind altering substance. That means if he does something irrational (like step in front of a train) or stupid (like startle a sleeping redneck in their bed) as a result, the consequences are only on his head.

I'm not the kind of person who fantasizes about killing or escalating force. Truth be told I want to die an old man and pass my guns down the line, never having fired a shot in anger.
...but if you scare the shiat out of me in the middle of the night, I'm not going to risk my life trying to protect yours from the actions of your unhinged mind.
It may seem cruel but it's unreasonable to expect me to try and understand your life story while you're smashing into my house. Pray that I'm up to the challenge, but there isn't a legal responsibility for me to try.

Whether an attacker is armed or means to harm someone isn't something you'll usually know till after the fact.
2013-10-14 01:07:32 PM
1 votes:
Seems to me that the people coming in here to wag their dicks about how they would have killed someone might have a desire to just kill someone. And we let people like this have guns?
2013-10-14 01:00:37 PM
1 votes:
If you break into my house, it is not my responsibility to determine that you don't pose a threat beyond the property damage you've already caused. Maybe you're tripping balls, maybe you want to kill my baby. Am I supposed to have a home invader questionnaire to determine which it is?
2013-10-14 12:52:28 PM
1 votes:

lilplatinum: Lady Indica: it's that people who think they're entitled to murder someone simply because they're on your turf should not have guns

Murder is a legal term, and if the state has a castle law it is definitionally not murder to kill someone who breaks into your property.


That was in reference to a previous poster who stated he would have killed the guy despite knowing he was unarmed and not a threat, simply for being in/breaking into his home. That even knowing the facts after the fact...would kill that person. Shooting them with that knowledge is murder. It's like shooting someone, then walking over and putting another three into their head while they're prone on the ground unconscious. Murder.

That is NOT in reference to the guy being lucky he wasn't shot, or any culpability on the actual homeowner's part. That homeowner is clearly a responsible gun owner. Dipshiat McGees in this thread posturing are the ones who are not. Etc. see earlier posts.
2013-10-14 12:51:07 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: Lastly, even if he was a burglar or something that is not a capital offense. Until you have REASONABLE belief that the person is a threat you can not shoot them legally or morally.


Most people (and the law in most US jurisdictions) consider that breaking into someone's occupied home (especially at night) is prima facie evidence of threatening behavior.

I won't argue that a homeowner should just start shooting without further assessing the threat, but legally speaking it's hard to fault them if they do.

Of course, any righteous defensive shooting isn't about executing someone for their crimes either - it's about stopping the threat someone presents. It's either idiotic or disingenuous to claim otherwise.
2013-10-14 12:49:59 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: Dimensio: I, too, am disgusted by the attitude that home invaders should not always enjoy the benefit of the doubt before action is taken against them

The kid is only 19 years old and for all you know somebody drugged him at a party or something.

Also, ANYONE (invader or not) should get the benefit of the doubt before you decide to end their life as judge, jury, en executioner.

Lastly, even if he was a burglar or something that is not a capital offense. Until you have REASONABLE belief that the person is a threat you can not shoot them legally or morally.

I know you are probably trolling, but many asshats actually think this way.


I agree with you. Home residents must recognize that a protected right exists for others to invade their homes, and that using deadly force against a home invader is a violation of that protected right. As all home residents are able to infallibly and instantaneously determine the specific intent of an intruder, no excuse exists for using deadly force in such a situation.
2013-10-14 12:47:41 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: Lastly, even if he was a burglar or something that is not a capital offense. Until you have REASONABLE belief that the person is a threat you can not shoot them legally or morally.


You're not winning this argument, even in jurisdictions with duty to retreat.

With the element of surprise, armed, and in the bedroom is about as immediate as a threat can get.
2013-10-14 12:43:43 PM
1 votes:

Treygreen13: Lady Indica: The guy posturing saying he'd have killed someone in a situation where clearly and obviously that is not only NOT the right choice, it's not even close to a necessary choice...you are the type of person who shouldn't have any guns.

And until we can reliably screen for the Dipshiat McGees of the world....tougher gun laws are the way to go.

I do agree with this. Using the gun should be a last resort. You shouldn't wake up and just start firing. My only comment on it is that I'm not exactly jumping up and down to defend the rights of people who are naked after breaking and entering.


No one is. No one is arguing that the naked druggie was in any way, shape or form a victim of anything other than his own farking stupidity. He's lucky he wasn't shot. If he had been shot, it would have been completely his own fault. It is entirely possible, and logical, that another human being in that exact same situation would have assessed the problem differently and shot the guy...and been entirely within their moral and legal rights to do so.

But it wasn't necessary.

People with the appropriate training are better at assessing such situations and acting appropriately.

Appropriate training at a bare min. is qualifying quarterly at a range with a trained armsmaster/rangemaster. That is the bare min. we accept for law enforcement (at least to my knowledge).

Why we would accept anything less in a world chock full of Dipshiat McGees is beyond me. It's not that we'd all be crying because someone did something terminally stupid while on drugs, it's that people who think they're entitled to murder someone simply because they're on your turf should not have guns. You are not a responsible person. If you clearly cannot make sound decisions in reflection, in the cool of things...you are certainly not going to be more responsible in any way during the heat of a moment.
2013-10-14 12:36:36 PM
1 votes:

Lady Indica: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

I am assuming you are pro gun rights.

This kind of talk is WHY other people want to take away guns. You are basically saying that as an armed civilian you would KILL another human because he got too high and did something dumb. The first step to keeping gun rights is probably to stop validating the argument that gun owners are all bloodthirsty nutjobs.

^ this. So much this.

The guy posturing saying he'd have killed someone in a situation where clearly and obviously that is not only NOT the right choice, it's not even close to a necessary choice...you are the type of person who shouldn't have any guns.

And until we can reliably screen for the Dipshiat McGees of the world....tougher gun laws are the way to go.

Wasn't always my opinion, Dipshiat McGee types sure have changed it for me though.


I, too, am disgusted by the attitude that home invaders should not always enjoy the benefit of the doubt before action is taken against them. In sane societies, the homeowners are responsible for the poor choices of a home invader; only in psychotic societies are home invaders responsible for the consequences of their own actions.
2013-10-14 12:32:47 PM
1 votes:
I've taken a lot of acid in my youth and never stumbled into the wrong house..  Methinks there were more at play here, or this kid just might not be cut out for chief fry cook.

I normally don't defend gun toting hillbillies, but in this case the guy found some farked up naked dude in his house and held him at gunpoint till the po-po came.. can't really fault him there..
2013-10-14 12:31:54 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: Treygreen13: Or you could not get so whacked out of your gourd you wander to someone's home, cut their screen open with a knife, break in, and then stand in their home naked. That works too.

OF COURSE that is the best choice.

I am just saying that someone who makes the wrong choice should not be gunned down in cold blood for it. Are you really disagreeing with that??!?!


I'd agree with you if he just walked in an unlocked door, or even an open one. But I've got no sympathy for someone who breaks into a house and then strips naked and then acts shocked when someone shoots them. Which didn't happen here, thankfully, but I wouldn't have been surprised or really considered it a great tragedy.
2013-10-14 12:23:12 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: chevydeuce: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.

Good for you that you have such tolerance for naked strangers in your bedroom.....I don't possess that level of philanthropy....

It's not philanthropy it is basic human decency. 

I have been in PRECISELY this situation once. Woke up to find an intoxicated and (nearly) naked man in the house. Since he was clearly intoxicated and not an immediate threat I turned on the lights, woke up the other people in the house, and ordered him to leave.

He just stood there confused at first so I called the cops. Before the cops even got there I was able to sort of shove him out the front door (without his pants or wallet).

You are literally saying that you would KILL another human because they did something dumb on drugs (but never actually attempted to harm you). You are also admitting that you are such a pussy the only possible solution you see to this problem is to cower behind a gun.


Or you could not get so whacked out of your gourd you wander to someone's home, cut their screen open with a knife, break in, and then stand in their home naked. That works too.
2013-10-14 12:16:52 PM
1 votes:

nacho_nacho_man: If we start excusing actions or lessening penalties because someone was under the influence of a substance, well, that pretty much green lights things like drunk driving. In no way, shape, or form are the drugs to blame. The idiot that took them is to blame.


Getting off your box on drugs and taking a wrong turn is nothing like drunk driving, the only person who needed protecting from him, was himself.

If his actions cause him to do something that warrants get peppered with 00 shot, it's on him.
 His actions didn't warrant him getting 'peppered,' his actions warranted a night in a cell and a day in court, not summary execution. It's quite frightening that you think he deserved to die for this - seriously.
/last comment
2013-10-14 12:16:11 PM
1 votes:

chevydeuce: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.

Good for you that you have such tolerance for naked strangers in your bedroom.....I don't possess that level of philanthropy....


It's not philanthropy it is basic human decency. 

I have been in PRECISELY this situation once. Woke up to find an intoxicated and (nearly) naked man in the house. Since he was clearly intoxicated and not an immediate threat I turned on the lights, woke up the other people in the house, and ordered him to leave.

He just stood there confused at first so I called the cops. Before the cops even got there I was able to sort of shove him out the front door (without his pants or wallet).

You are literally saying that you would KILL another human because they did something dumb on drugs (but never actually attempted to harm you). You are also admitting that you are such a pussy the only possible solution you see to this problem is to cower behind a gun.
2013-10-14 12:14:45 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

I am assuming you are pro gun rights.

This kind of talk is WHY other people want to take away guns. You are basically saying that as an armed civilian you would KILL another human because he got too high and did something dumb. The first step to keeping gun rights is probably to stop validating the argument that gun owners are all bloodthirsty nutjobs.


Ok; how was the homeowner supposed to know that? How was the homeowner supposed to know that this kid wasn't there to murder the homeowner's entire family; and have sex with the cat?


The homeowner showed remarkable restraint by not putting two bullets in druggie's dome; out of general principle. I can't say I would have been that restrained.

/ did I just bite?
2013-10-14 12:06:01 PM
1 votes:

vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.


I am assuming you are pro gun rights.

This kind of talk is WHY other people want to take away guns. You are basically saying that as an armed civilian you would KILL another human because he got too high and did something dumb. The first step to keeping gun rights is probably to stop validating the argument that gun owners are all bloodthirsty nutjobs.
2013-10-14 12:04:25 PM
1 votes:
yeah...

LSD doesn't make you get naked and wander into a strangers home.

/well, you might walk into the wrong house by mistake
//Getting naked..... that's a personal issue brought about by childhood trauma I think...
2013-10-14 11:57:10 AM
1 votes:

vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.


The homeowner held him down at gunpoint, which seems like the proportionate response. An unarmed naked person doesn't need to be shot. Although I can understand how waking up to a stranger in the room could cause panic and I would say someone who sprayed bullets in response is "not guilty" of manslaughter or murder or whatever.
 
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