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(Fox 17 Grand Rapids)   Be careful where you do drugs. Especially if it's an LSD trip, because sometimes you'll believe that it's okay to take off all your clothes and wander into people's homes. And some people are armed and not in the mood for your shiat   (fox17online.com) divider line 142
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2013-10-14 11:29:36 AM
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.
 
2013-10-14 11:47:59 AM
FTFA:

South Lyon police also tell Fox 2 they recovered another partier on a nearby nature trail who was passed out, barely breathing and on also on drugs.

He was on also on drugs? What was he also was he thinking.

/also
 
2013-10-14 11:51:12 AM
He got shot. He's lucky. He could have ended up in the guy's torture dungeon.
 
2013-10-14 11:53:35 AM
South of the Mason Dixon line the headline would have been "Homeowner shoots and kills naked home invader"
 
2013-10-14 11:54:28 AM
LSD hasn't been around for years, what you can find is usually 2c-whatever. Ran out of precursors after that 55 gal drum was gone.
 
2013-10-14 11:54:47 AM

Kumana Wanalaia: He got shot. He's lucky. He could have ended up in the guy's torture dungeon.


Wake up the gimp.
 
2013-10-14 11:57:10 AM

vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.


The homeowner held him down at gunpoint, which seems like the proportionate response. An unarmed naked person doesn't need to be shot. Although I can understand how waking up to a stranger in the room could cause panic and I would say someone who sprayed bullets in response is "not guilty" of manslaughter or murder or whatever.
 
2013-10-14 11:59:19 AM

duffblue: LSD hasn't been around for years, what you can find is usually 2c-whatever. Ran out of precursors after that 55 gal drum was gone.


If you say so..not that I would know

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2013-10-14 12:00:51 PM

vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.


Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.
 
2013-10-14 12:02:56 PM
Want to grab a beer later?


/ask for Frank Notacop
 
2013-10-14 12:03:41 PM

duffblue: LSD hasn't been around for years, what you can find is usually 2c-whatever. Ran out of precursors after that 55 gal drum was gone.


Yeah. I was about to say, where the hell did they get actual lsd? Haven't seen the stuff in years.
 
2013-10-14 12:03:46 PM

duffblue: LSD hasn't been around for years, what you can find is usually 2c-whatever. Ran out of precursors after that 55 gal drum was gone.


I honestly had a dream last night that I had dropped acid before playing a round of golf.

In the dream, I didn't get off at all.  Your post would explain that.
 
2013-10-14 12:03:57 PM

SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.


You forgot the part about breaking into a home and standing naked over a couple in the middle of the night. I suppose it wasn't his fault because the acid made him do it, right?
 
2013-10-14 12:04:25 PM
yeah...

LSD doesn't make you get naked and wander into a strangers home.

/well, you might walk into the wrong house by mistake
//Getting naked..... that's a personal issue brought about by childhood trauma I think...
 
2013-10-14 12:04:36 PM
Good that the guy didn't get shot
Wouldn't feel sorry for him if he had been shot

/aren't drugs a grand thing....
 
2013-10-14 12:06:01 PM

vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.


I am assuming you are pro gun rights.

This kind of talk is WHY other people want to take away guns. You are basically saying that as an armed civilian you would KILL another human because he got too high and did something dumb. The first step to keeping gun rights is probably to stop validating the argument that gun owners are all bloodthirsty nutjobs.
 
2013-10-14 12:07:11 PM

nacho_nacho_man: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.

You forgot the part about breaking into a home and standing naked over a couple in the middle of the night. I suppose it wasn't his fault because the acid made him do it, right?


If he wouldn't normally do it, and he did it wile on drugs, well then, yes, the drugs did have a part to play.
 
2013-10-14 12:07:44 PM

nacho_nacho_man: You forgot the part about breaking into a home and standing naked over a couple in the middle of the night. I suppose it wasn't his fault because the acid made him do it, right?


Well.... yeah. People on drugs do dumb stuff. Nowhere in the story does it say the high kid tried to hurt anyone.

Sure, if you wake up to an intruder it is scary. But if you think that is reason enough to kill another human then maybe you should have pepper spray and not a gun.
 
2013-10-14 12:08:24 PM

jigger: duffblue: LSD hasn't been around for years, what you can find is usually 2c-whatever. Ran out of precursors after that 55 gal drum was gone.

Yeah. I was about to say, where the hell did they get actual lsd? Haven't seen the stuff in years.


Me neither :(
 
2013-10-14 12:08:31 PM

jigger: Yeah. I was about to say, where the hell did they get actual lsd? Haven't seen the stuff in years.


1-akamai.tapcdn.com

/nice try though officer friendly.
 
2013-10-14 12:09:44 PM

Cormee: If he wouldn't normally do it, and he did it wile on drugs, well then, yes, the drugs did have a part to play.


My guess is the kid was thinking (trying to think) "I need to go home, get undressed and go to bed". His drug-addled brain just implemented the plan badly, starting with being at the wrong house.

Stupid, irresponsible, scary, and annoying. But hardly a capital offense in my book.
 
2013-10-14 12:09:59 PM

SpectroBoy: nacho_nacho_man: You forgot the part about breaking into a home and standing naked over a couple in the middle of the night. I suppose it wasn't his fault because the acid made him do it, right?

Well.... yeah. People on drugs do dumb stuff. Nowhere in the story does it say the high kid tried to hurt anyone.

Sure, if you wake up to an intruder it is scary. But if you think that is reason enough to kill another human then maybe you should have pepper spray and not a gun.


With the gun goes the responsibility to be the parent.

Unwilling to parent, hide behind one.
 
2013-10-14 12:10:19 PM

SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.


Good for you that you have such tolerance for naked strangers in your bedroom.....I don't possess that level of philanthropy....
 
2013-10-14 12:11:12 PM
First rule of tripping: GET A TRIPSITTER. You need a good head around to make sure this shiate doesn't happen
 
2013-10-14 12:11:12 PM
Cormee:

If he wouldn't normally do it, and he did it wile on drugs, well then, yes, the drugs did have a part to play.

If we start excusing actions or lessening penalties because someone was under the influence of a substance, well, that pretty much green lights things like drunk driving. In no way, shape, or form are the drugs to blame. The idiot that took them is to blame. If his actions cause him to do something that warrants get peppered with 00 shot, it's on him.
 
2013-10-14 12:11:27 PM
I thought two of the basic rules before doing something like dropping acid are; be someplace safe where you can't get in trouble, and be with people who will keep you from doing something stupid.

These sorts of things should be set up BEFORE you completely go off the deep end on a trip.  Not that I know anything about that sort of thing.
 
2013-10-14 12:12:05 PM
At no point during any of my doing shiat like that years did I ever do shiat like that.
 
2013-10-14 12:14:45 PM

SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

I am assuming you are pro gun rights.

This kind of talk is WHY other people want to take away guns. You are basically saying that as an armed civilian you would KILL another human because he got too high and did something dumb. The first step to keeping gun rights is probably to stop validating the argument that gun owners are all bloodthirsty nutjobs.


Ok; how was the homeowner supposed to know that? How was the homeowner supposed to know that this kid wasn't there to murder the homeowner's entire family; and have sex with the cat?


The homeowner showed remarkable restraint by not putting two bullets in druggie's dome; out of general principle. I can't say I would have been that restrained.

/ did I just bite?
 
2013-10-14 12:14:46 PM

duffblue: LSD hasn't been around for years, what you can find is usually 2c-whatever. Ran out of precursors after that 55 gal drum was gone.


2C-x compounds aren't active at doses low enough that the material can fit on blotter.

The n-Benzyl derivatives of them, however (25x-NBOMe) can. Also the DOx series, which are generally the ones that cause the sort of trip that makes you wander around naked and confused.

More to the point - there is some real LSD around. Chemistry is a beautiful thing in that just because 'that one precursor' is gone doesn't mean the world can't adapt - there's many, many routes to any given substance. A novel synthesis for LSD pops up about once a month. It's not as cost-effective as it once was, but for a skilled chemist with determination, it's still doable. 

Not nearly much has been in circulation since the Leonard Pickard bust, but it's out there; unfortunately at a much higher cost than in years past, but it is.
 
2013-10-14 12:16:11 PM

chevydeuce: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.

Good for you that you have such tolerance for naked strangers in your bedroom.....I don't possess that level of philanthropy....


It's not philanthropy it is basic human decency. 

I have been in PRECISELY this situation once. Woke up to find an intoxicated and (nearly) naked man in the house. Since he was clearly intoxicated and not an immediate threat I turned on the lights, woke up the other people in the house, and ordered him to leave.

He just stood there confused at first so I called the cops. Before the cops even got there I was able to sort of shove him out the front door (without his pants or wallet).

You are literally saying that you would KILL another human because they did something dumb on drugs (but never actually attempted to harm you). You are also admitting that you are such a pussy the only possible solution you see to this problem is to cower behind a gun.
 
2013-10-14 12:16:52 PM

nacho_nacho_man: If we start excusing actions or lessening penalties because someone was under the influence of a substance, well, that pretty much green lights things like drunk driving. In no way, shape, or form are the drugs to blame. The idiot that took them is to blame.


Getting off your box on drugs and taking a wrong turn is nothing like drunk driving, the only person who needed protecting from him, was himself.

If his actions cause him to do something that warrants get peppered with 00 shot, it's on him.
 His actions didn't warrant him getting 'peppered,' his actions warranted a night in a cell and a day in court, not summary execution. It's quite frightening that you think he deserved to die for this - seriously.
/last comment
 
2013-10-14 12:19:32 PM

iheartscotch: Ok; how was the homeowner supposed to know that? How was the homeowner supposed to know that this kid wasn't there to murder the homeowner's entire family; and have sex with the cat?


The homeowner showed remarkable restraint by not putting two bullets in druggie's dome; out of general principle. I can't say I would have been that restrained.

/ did I just bite?


In the article I would say the homeowner did EXACTLY the right thing. He didn't over-react and nobody was harmed.

My post was aimed at the internet sociopaths who are crowing that they would have fired 6 shots in to the intoxicated stranger out of fear, machismo, and lack of empathy. For example:

vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

 
2013-10-14 12:22:23 PM

awalkingecho: duffblue: LSD hasn't been around for years, what you can find is usually 2c-whatever. Ran out of precursors after that 55 gal drum was gone.

2C-x compounds aren't active at doses low enough that the material can fit on blotter.

The n-Benzyl derivatives of them, however (25x-NBOMe) can. Also the DOx series, which are generally the ones that cause the sort of trip that makes you wander around naked and confused.

More to the point - there is some real LSD around. Chemistry is a beautiful thing in that just because 'that one precursor' is gone doesn't mean the world can't adapt - there's many, many routes to any given substance. A novel synthesis for LSD pops up about once a month. It's not as cost-effective as it once was, but for a skilled chemist with determination, it's still doable. 

Not nearly much has been in circulation since the Leonard Pickard bust, but it's out there; unfortunately at a much higher cost than in years past, but it is.



The UK currently seems to be awash with (legal) AL-LAD and LSZ/diazedine, which is interesting.
I haven't the time for these sorts of games myself, but there seem to be a lot of happy people out there.
 
2013-10-14 12:22:31 PM

nacho_nacho_man: If his actions cause him to do something that warrants get peppered with 00 shot, it's on him.


First of all 00 shot is not a peppering. It is deadly at indoor ranges.

Secondly, how does wondering in to someone's house while disoriented "warrant" summary execution by an internet toughguy? Some jail time maybe, but a death sentence?!?!?
 
2013-10-14 12:23:12 PM

SpectroBoy: chevydeuce: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.

Good for you that you have such tolerance for naked strangers in your bedroom.....I don't possess that level of philanthropy....

It's not philanthropy it is basic human decency. 

I have been in PRECISELY this situation once. Woke up to find an intoxicated and (nearly) naked man in the house. Since he was clearly intoxicated and not an immediate threat I turned on the lights, woke up the other people in the house, and ordered him to leave.

He just stood there confused at first so I called the cops. Before the cops even got there I was able to sort of shove him out the front door (without his pants or wallet).

You are literally saying that you would KILL another human because they did something dumb on drugs (but never actually attempted to harm you). You are also admitting that you are such a pussy the only possible solution you see to this problem is to cower behind a gun.


Or you could not get so whacked out of your gourd you wander to someone's home, cut their screen open with a knife, break in, and then stand in their home naked. That works too.
 
2013-10-14 12:23:46 PM

SpectroBoy: chevydeuce: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

Wow, so some dumb kid takes too much acid and that rates a death sentence.

Harsh.

Good for you that you have such tolerance for naked strangers in your bedroom.....I don't possess that level of philanthropy....

It's not philanthropy it is basic human decency. 

I have been in PRECISELY this situation once. Woke up to find an intoxicated and (nearly) naked man in the house. Since he was clearly intoxicated and not an immediate threat I turned on the lights, woke up the other people in the house, and ordered him to leave.

He just stood there confused at first so I called the cops. Before the cops even got there I was able to sort of shove him out the front door (without his pants or wallet).

You are literally saying that you would KILL another human because they did something dumb on drugs (but never actually attempted to harm you). You are also admitting that you are such a pussy the only possible solution you see to this problem is to cower behind a gun.


Glad it worked out for you and the drunked stranger and hope it never happens again to you, or if it does the outcome is the same.  Call me a pussy all you want...doesn't change the fact that I would have no compunction whatsoever about killing or otherwise wounding an uninvited stranger in my house, ESPECIALLY in a "late night, wake me up standing over my bed scenario" (naked or not, drunk/high or not).  Like elections, decisions have consequences.  Getting that drunk or high is a bad decision and one might have to suffer those consequences because of it.
 
2013-10-14 12:28:23 PM

croesius: First rule of tripping: GET A TRIPSITTER. You need a good head around to make sure this shiate doesn't happen


when I was younger and we used to trip on acid we never had one person not on it in the group, that would be the oddest thing IMO. If the group stays together it works fine, not everyone is seeing and experiencing the same shiat so the only things that are real are the things everyone agrees on.
 
2013-10-14 12:28:44 PM
global3.memecdn.com
 
2013-10-14 12:29:09 PM

Treygreen13: Or you could not get so whacked out of your gourd you wander to someone's home, cut their screen open with a knife, break in, and then stand in their home naked. That works too.


OF COURSE that is the best choice.

I am just saying that someone who makes the wrong choice should not be gunned down in cold blood for it. Are you really disagreeing with that??!?!
 
2013-10-14 12:30:17 PM

SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

I am assuming you are pro gun rights.

This kind of talk is WHY other people want to take away guns. You are basically saying that as an armed civilian you would KILL another human because he got too high and did something dumb. The first step to keeping gun rights is probably to stop validating the argument that gun owners are all bloodthirsty nutjobs.


^ this. So much this.

The guy posturing saying he'd have killed someone in a situation where clearly and obviously that is not only NOT the right choice, it's not even close to a necessary choice...you are the type of person who shouldn't have any guns.

And until we can reliably screen for the Dipshiat McGees of the world....tougher gun laws are the way to go.

Wasn't always my opinion, Dipshiat McGee types sure have changed it for me though.
 
2013-10-14 12:31:52 PM

chevydeuce: Glad it worked out for you and the drunked stranger and hope it never happens again to you, or if it does the outcome is the same.  Call me a pussy all you want...doesn't change the fact that I would have no compunction whatsoever about killing or otherwise wounding an uninvited stranger in my house, ESPECIALLY in a "late night, wake me up standing over my bed scenario" (naked or not, drunk/high or not).  Like elections, decisions have consequences.  Getting that drunk or high is a bad decision and one might have to suffer those consequences because of it.


The consequences for you and your family will be MUCH less severe if you don't shoot him. You would probably end up on court. Depending on the room and gun you risk your hearing. And have you ever cleaned up a house after a person bleeds to death on a carpet?!?!?

Seriously, it's best for everyone to hold your fire until there is no other choice.

I am not anti-gun. And I certainly believe every person has the right of self defence up to and including deadly force. I just think it is incumbent upon each of us to seek a less violent end if possible.

The homeowner in the article did exactly that, by the way.
 
2013-10-14 12:31:54 PM

SpectroBoy: Treygreen13: Or you could not get so whacked out of your gourd you wander to someone's home, cut their screen open with a knife, break in, and then stand in their home naked. That works too.

OF COURSE that is the best choice.

I am just saying that someone who makes the wrong choice should not be gunned down in cold blood for it. Are you really disagreeing with that??!?!


I'd agree with you if he just walked in an unlocked door, or even an open one. But I've got no sympathy for someone who breaks into a house and then strips naked and then acts shocked when someone shoots them. Which didn't happen here, thankfully, but I wouldn't have been surprised or really considered it a great tragedy.
 
2013-10-14 12:32:47 PM
I've taken a lot of acid in my youth and never stumbled into the wrong house..  Methinks there were more at play here, or this kid just might not be cut out for chief fry cook.

I normally don't defend gun toting hillbillies, but in this case the guy found some farked up naked dude in his house and held him at gunpoint till the po-po came.. can't really fault him there..
 
2013-10-14 12:33:30 PM

Lady Indica: The guy posturing saying he'd have killed someone in a situation where clearly and obviously that is not only NOT the right choice, it's not even close to a necessary choice...you are the type of person who shouldn't have any guns.

And until we can reliably screen for the Dipshiat McGees of the world....tougher gun laws are the way to go.


I do agree with this. Using the gun should be a last resort. You shouldn't wake up and just start firing. My only comment on it is that I'm not exactly jumping up and down to defend the rights of people who are naked after breaking and entering.
 
2013-10-14 12:35:55 PM
Sounds like a lot of you would invite Druggy McDickwiggler into bed with you.
Better see a doctor and get screened.
 
2013-10-14 12:36:36 PM

Lady Indica: SpectroBoy: vudukungfu: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Well, officer, I wake up and there is a naked man standing over me and my wife.
I, for one, didn't want to get raped, and my wife's not too keen on sex in general, so I know she wasn't looking to get raped, and I'm not waiting to see what he's armed with. Or if he's naked so he can chop us up and shower off after. I'm going to go with he's up to no good, I'm conscious now, and want to remain so.

I am assuming you are pro gun rights.

This kind of talk is WHY other people want to take away guns. You are basically saying that as an armed civilian you would KILL another human because he got too high and did something dumb. The first step to keeping gun rights is probably to stop validating the argument that gun owners are all bloodthirsty nutjobs.

^ this. So much this.

The guy posturing saying he'd have killed someone in a situation where clearly and obviously that is not only NOT the right choice, it's not even close to a necessary choice...you are the type of person who shouldn't have any guns.

And until we can reliably screen for the Dipshiat McGees of the world....tougher gun laws are the way to go.

Wasn't always my opinion, Dipshiat McGee types sure have changed it for me though.


I, too, am disgusted by the attitude that home invaders should not always enjoy the benefit of the doubt before action is taken against them. In sane societies, the homeowners are responsible for the poor choices of a home invader; only in psychotic societies are home invaders responsible for the consequences of their own actions.
 
2013-10-14 12:38:57 PM
wjbk.images.worldnow.com

hahahahahahahaha
 
2013-10-14 12:39:56 PM

vudukungfu: Sounds like a lot of you would invite Druggy McDickwiggler into bed with you.
Better see a doctor and get screened.


And you sound like you live your life in pants-wetting fear.
 
2013-10-14 12:40:34 PM

SpectroBoy: Treygreen13: Or you could not get so whacked out of your gourd you wander to someone's home, cut their screen open with a knife, break in, and then stand in their home naked. That works too.

OF COURSE that is the best choice.

I am just saying that someone who makes the wrong choice should not be gunned down in cold blood for it. Are you really disagreeing with that??!?!


someone getting killed in this situation is almost a rube goldbergian process where any one thing could have randomly stopped it but people do stupid things all the time that more directly lead to their death. IMO it would have been a tragic but explainable accident if some tripping teen got killed by breaking into someone's home and coming into their room while they are asleep. I don't think you can really put too much blame on anyone, it'd be like hitting someone who was walking in the fog on narrow curvy road.
 
2013-10-14 12:40:35 PM

SpectroBoy: You are basically saying that as an armed civilian you would KILL another human because he got too high and did something dumb.


You know who else got too high and did something dumb?

"Daddy ate my eyes."
 
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