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(CNN)   CNN publishes editorial saying Americans are too dumb. Let's focus on the important parts of that. CNN. Thinks Americans. Are dumb. Yes, that CNN   (cnn.com) divider line 88
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2013-10-14 10:31:17 AM  
11 votes:
Instead of stating that Americans are dumb, they should simply recognize that fact and try to capitalize on it....you know, like Fox News.
2013-10-14 10:52:33 AM  
9 votes:
he's right.
2013-10-14 11:51:18 AM  
8 votes:
Anti-intellectualism seems to be on the upswing in America.  Its kind of hard to deal with somebody who is not only stupid, but is proud of the fact that they are stupid.
2013-10-14 11:51:05 AM  
8 votes:

b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.


And that's another problem.

Saying stupid shiat is socially acceptable.

Correcting stupid shiat is not.
2013-10-14 11:48:53 AM  
8 votes:
The problem isn't that too many Americans are dumb.  The real problem is that the Dumb Americans don't believe that they're really dumb.
2013-10-14 11:31:37 AM  
8 votes:
People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.
2013-10-14 11:22:34 AM  
7 votes:

FlashHarry: he's right.


Agreed.... when Jimmy Kimmel is going on the streets and "tricking" people into picking which between "Obamacare" and "The Affordable Care Act", it isn't something to just "laugh" at, as this article also states (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-horsey-obamacare -2 0131008,0,6137479.story ).... "Mr. Kimmel's stunt illustrates a problem at the core of the argument over health care and most other contentious issues in this country: Huge numbers of voters are simply ignorant. "
2013-10-14 11:51:40 AM  
6 votes:

dletter: FlashHarry: he's right.

Agreed.... when Jimmy Kimmel is going on the streets and "tricking" people into picking which between "Obamacare" and "The Affordable Care Act", it isn't something to just "laugh" at, as this article also states (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-horsey-obamacare -2 0131008,0,6137479.story ).... "Mr. Kimmel's stunt illustrates a problem at the core of the argument over health care and most other contentious issues in this country: Huge numbers of voters are simply ignorant. "


I think the fact that Jimmy Kimmel has a television show, which presumably someone is watching, is more than ample proof that Americans are ignorant.
2013-10-14 12:56:05 PM  
5 votes:

Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


America may spend a lot more money but when that money goes to building stadia and fancy high tech busses for the sports teams... etc instead of the class room it doesn't help much.

Having attended school in both Europe and America I can honestly say Europe focuses a lot more on academics... in America the school revolves around the "foot"ball team and education is an annoying side effect of school.


Let's not forget homework. In Europe teachers teach. In America they grade homework and assign more homework so that your parent have to do the actual teaching.

American schools don't need more funding... they need to dump the sports as a primary focus... concentrate on education and get teachers to teach... not just be homework graders.
2013-10-14 12:07:51 PM  
5 votes:
I think the issue is that so many Americans are more concerned with being right  and proving the other side wrong than being factual.

When political discourse dissolves into a shouting match over who's responsible for the hole in the ship instead of working together to fix it, both sides drown.
2013-10-14 12:07:29 PM  
5 votes:
Well, we have a prominent political party whose standard operating procedure is to ridicule and denigrate education and educators.  What the hell did they think would happen?
2013-10-14 11:54:28 AM  
5 votes:
Americans ARE stupid and they're getting stupider and they're proud of it. The average European knows more about American politics then Americans do.

The only time you see much intellect displayed here, it gets dismissed as liberal clap trap.
2013-10-14 12:06:56 PM  
4 votes:
About 75% of a population is the personality type that needs to be told what to do. They need an order, structure, need to know what their place is, and who is in charge.
They are not the free thinkers, the idea people. They are followers.
It's a contant battle to control this segment of society through media. They are easy to manipulate.
Wave a happy meal with a shiny toy and a catchy tune and they all turn and come running. Prop up a pretty kid, teach it to sing while modeling new clothes and everyone pulls out their wallet to buy the package.
They all do this without realizing the big picture. Fabricated reality of how great everything is

People for the most part are not dumb, per se, they are just part of the herd.
2013-10-14 11:49:24 AM  
4 votes:
Also, I agree that lack of basic education is a big problem in America.  But I think that an even worse problem is the fact that networks like CNN do not seem to think they have any obligation to inform the public.  Even this article is like "americans are stupid, according to this report, and that's a problem."  ok - how do we fix that?  Oh wait, that would require CNN wading into substantive political discourse? oh, nevermind, then.
2013-10-14 11:42:21 AM  
4 votes:
Well they would be onto something if not for a very large and well funded campaign of misinformation designed to produce these exact results.
2013-10-14 03:09:52 PM  
3 votes:
"Wizard's First Rule: people are stupid... People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool... People need an enemy to feel a sense of purpose. It's easy to lead people when they have a sense of purpose. Sense of purpose is more important by far than the truth. In fact, truth has no bearing in this... People are stupid; they want to believe, so they do." -- Terry Goodkind, Wizard's First Rule

This is from a work of fiction, folks.
2013-10-14 02:42:53 PM  
3 votes:

FLMountainMan: You know how I know you are one of the dumb people CNN is talking about?   Because you disagree with me on the role of government
...
Be honest with yourself.


Wrong. You just spouted incorrect statements. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I believe the role of government to be. People had plenty of time to read the bill, as evident to how long it was drawn out. Pelosi's statement in full context has nothing to do with the incorrect way you described it.

You're lying, or at the very least repeating lies. And when corrected, you say it's just because I disagree with the role of government, as if that excuses your lying.
2013-10-14 01:26:20 PM  
3 votes:
The dumb doesn't necessarily bother me nearly as much as the mean-spirited hate and evil.
2013-10-14 12:28:20 PM  
3 votes:

FROM THIS

upload.wikimedia.org

TO THIS

consumersforpeace.org


I would say we are far too easily manipulated. And that our leaders in government and industry are far too manipulative.
2013-10-14 12:18:37 PM  
3 votes:
I do a lot of work in and around the church and my wife and I have come to the understanding that people fall into a number of categories (similar to Rand Spiro's Cognitive Flexibility theory) that basically relate to the level at which that person operates mentally.

The majority of people never get out of the 'concrete' phase, where everything is black and white, and shades of gray are so off-putting, most people consider them to be some sort of falsely taught thing.

While a majority of American finish high school - few of them ever really get out of the elementary school mindset and thus can't handle more complex topics. They also seem to lack basic empathy and compassion and see little or no need to understand something from someone else's point of view.

However, if you get these people one-on-one, you can often push them quite farther than they would move should they have a similar encounter within their group-think setting.


TL;DR - Would just be ironic in this thread, wouldn't it?
2013-10-14 12:02:01 PM  
3 votes:
Americans are ignorant, not dumb, IMHO. Dumb implies that one is not capable of learning much. Ignorance, OTOH, is a voluntary state. All the tools and all the information are available to any American who wants it. Easily accessible and readily available. But we are too lazy to take advantage of that. We are too busy watching Honey Boo-Boo to be bothered with all that complicated book learning....makes me more ashamed every day of my countrymen. I see it every day in the healthcare industry: people who are so ignorant, despite being at least semi-literate, that they are unable to care for themselves! Not just in health matters; it shows in every part of their lives that they just don't make an effort to learn how to do something--anything; they drift along through life letting things happen because it is too much work to bother to change it.

Ignorant and intellectually lazy.
2013-10-14 11:55:37 AM  
3 votes:
I've been in a position to help release several major products in a nationwide release. I've been told bluntly, by top marketing professionals who have a financial interest in knowing their audience acutely, that the American populace is among the least sophisticated, least intelligent of the major industrial nations.

Advertising campaigns that work effectively internationally must be dumbed down for America, because when tested, Americans are just too thick-skulled to understand them.

It's sad and depressing, but not all that surprising. There are large swaths of America filled with folks who, quite plainly, just aren't all that bright. Does anyone really expect them to be well informed on the intricacies of legislative procedure and policy?
2013-10-14 11:45:20 AM  
3 votes:
CNN as well as other corporate media. Their bread n' butter is ratcheting up conflict regardless of risk of being disingenuous ("Sir, I'm just asking a question") and scraping the barrell for ratings crumbs. And why not? Their audience is a bunch of dullard junior high kids cheering on two other dullards fighting in the parking lot.

At least until the next pretty blonde co-ed goes missing, of course.
2013-10-14 02:37:14 PM  
2 votes:

coxdebate: The problem isn't that too many Americans are dumb.  The real problem is that the Dumb Americans don't believe that they're really dumb.



This is an issue that is bothering me more and more - as a non-expert in many fields, I find that it's pretty easy for me to acknowledge not knowing the ins and outs of matters related to those fields.

Like tax policy as it relates to health care costs, for example.  I read up on the relevant materials, or at least some of them, but outside of the obvious trends and issues that play into the American health care system I don't mind saying that while I have directional opinions on the issues, I don't have an exhaustive understanding of the details.

Various relatives and associates of mine, however, don't seem to realize that some issues are more complicated than can readily be grasped through metaphors and facebook posts.  Or that their random 2am rambling opinions about things they have never researched are really, truly not as valid as positions based on actual data.

How does a population of people who embrace ignorance as a badge of honor simultaneously insist that they are completely capable of debating the intricacies of global economics with people who work with statistics for a living?  It blows my mind.
2013-10-14 02:29:17 PM  
2 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: FROM THISTO THIS
I would say we are far too easily manipulated. And that our leaders in government and industry are far too manipulative.


I will venture to say that our leaders are also easily manipulated, by unscientific, illogical thinking and most easily, by money.

There are an awful lot of people with graduate degrees, even in STEM fields, who are having difficulty finding permanent fulltime work with benefits, as was once the norm in America for someone with advanced credentials. Yet we expect people to strive so hard to be educated. Education indeed should be a worthy goal unto itself, however in America, unlike many European countries, advanced education costs the individual an increasingly prohibitive sum, and must be expected to result in a more substantive payoff, i.e., a good job. This isn't happening nearly to the extent that it once did.
2013-10-14 01:29:31 PM  
2 votes:
The typical Farker and the point of every other Farker thread:


anticache.img8.joyreactor.com
2013-10-14 01:28:44 PM  
2 votes:
growlersoftware.com
2013-10-14 01:20:33 PM  
2 votes:

dletter: FlashHarry: he's right.

Agreed.... when Jimmy Kimmel is going on the streets and "tricking" people into picking which between "Obamacare" and "The Affordable Care Act", it isn't something to just "laugh" at, as this article also states (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-horsey-obamacare -2 0131008,0,6137479.story ).... "Mr. Kimmel's stunt illustrates a problem at the core of the argument over health care and most other contentious issues in this country: Huge numbers of voters are simply ignorant. "


And adding to the hilarity, most if not all the Congressmen voting for and against it didn't even read the bill.   "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it" in the words of one of the main proponents of the bill.  And most of these people were re-elected based on whether or not they had a D or an R after their name.  That's how farking dumb we are.
2013-10-14 01:02:46 PM  
2 votes:

Pinner: About 75% of a population is the personality type that needs to be told what to do. They need an order, structure, need to know what their place is, and who is in charge.
They are not the free thinkers, the idea people. They are followers.
It's a contant battle to control this segment of society through media. They are easy to manipulate.
Wave a happy meal with a shiny toy and a catchy tune and they all turn and come running. Prop up a pretty kid, teach it to sing while modeling new clothes and everyone pulls out their wallet to buy the package.
They all do this without realizing the big picture. Fabricated reality of how great everything is

People for the most part are not dumb, per se, they are just part of the herd.


I wouldn't say that. The biggest problem is apathy. People just don't care. I mean, really care. It's easy to watch a news channel and swear at the TV, maybe biatch and moan to friends and family. Hell, the more industrious might take their grievances to web forums and post snarky pictures on Facebook but that is not really caring. A significant portion of the population don't even want to do their civic duty and vote and even if they do it is probably only every four years to vote for President.

It isn't that people are stupid or just want to be told what to do out of some innate craving for domination, they just don't care. Most people want to live their lives and pursue their hobbies and interests. The politicians know this, the corporations know this, and the media knows this and they all love it. Hell, they encourage it. It's easy to do whatever you want when nobody is paying attention.

It also doesn't help when the United States is bigger Europe. Most of our states are bigger than most of the countries in Europe. It is much easier to become engaged in National politics when you have a country that is the size of Oregon, Montana, or Virginia. In my experience there just seems to some psychological factor that the smaller the government entity is the less of a "You can't fight city hall" mentality exists. Try to affect change in the federal government, don't bother; state government there's a chance; town government, worth a try; school district, go egg the Superintendent's house.
2013-10-14 12:48:42 PM  
2 votes:

Nightjars: Anti-intellectualism seems to be on the upswing in America.  Its kind of hard to deal with somebody who is not only stupid, but is proud of the fact that they are stupid.


"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" ― Isaac Asimov
2013-10-14 12:32:30 PM  
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: No wai! America iz teh smart!

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You can tell which Pageant Mom drank the most while pregnant!
2013-10-14 12:31:51 PM  
2 votes:

Nemo's Brother: [s2.buzzfeed.com image 500x372]

And here are the thoughts of the typical Obama supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoseyTAPBjM">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=IoseyTAPBjM


If you are stupid enough to believe that Howard Stern looks for anything typical or average or representative of a majority and not go for the sensational then the CNN article was right about you.
2013-10-14 12:31:18 PM  
2 votes:
www.normsousa.com
2013-10-14 12:25:49 PM  
2 votes:
To fix this problem, we might have to do something, or wait for distraction, which ever makes you happy...
2013-10-14 12:19:02 PM  
2 votes:

b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.


I'd rather have some basic understandings of how the world around me works rather than surround myself with morans.

/2 each thar own!
2013-10-14 12:13:05 PM  
2 votes:

Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


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Stupid people don't see the need for education and they don't enforce the need for education in their homes.  Their children come to school unprepared and they don't care when their offspring come home with bad grades.  They could care less if their kids try to become educated and get angry if their kids are smarter than they are instead of being proud.
2013-10-14 12:13:04 PM  
2 votes:

UberDave: Instead of stating that Americans are dumb, they should simply recognize that fact and try to capitalize on it....you know, like Fox News.


I would say they are trying to capitalize on it. Have you seen any of their programming lately? It is like a news broadcast designed for a child except kids wouldn't even watch that dreck. "Here is some human interest stories and celebrity news that no one cares about and OH LOOK, IT'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO OF A CUTE PUPPY!" I've seen more actual news on Good Morning America!

This just confirms what we all knew, CNN thinks Americans are idiots and have tailored their "news" shows accordingly. However, I never said they were doing great job of it.
2013-10-14 12:12:13 PM  
2 votes:
CNN is dumb precisely because they're "market tested" in their approach to journalism.  They dumb things down for ratings because we, the people, are dumb.  Then they're dumb.   Which makes people dumb.   Not hard to see the end-game here.
2013-10-14 12:10:03 PM  
2 votes:
Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


mercatus.org
2013-10-14 12:07:47 PM  
2 votes:

edmo: Americans ARE stupid and they're getting stupider and they're proud of it. The average European knows more about American politics then Americans do.

The only time you see much intellect displayed here, it gets dismissed as liberal clap trap.


Yep, nothing intelligent ever gets dismissed as conservative drivel.
2013-10-14 12:06:13 PM  
2 votes:

snocone: Corn_Fed: I've been in a position to help release several major products in a nationwide release. I've been told bluntly, by top marketing professionals who have a financial interest in knowing their audience acutely, that the American populace is among the least sophisticated, least intelligent of the major industrial nations.

Advertising campaigns that work effectively internationally must be dumbed down for America, because when tested, Americans are just too thick-skulled to understand them.

It's sad and depressing, but not all that surprising. There are large swaths of America filled with folks who, quite plainly, just aren't all that bright. Does anyone really expect them to be well informed on the intricacies of legislative procedure and policy?

Obviously.
Check out the humor, story line and plot in foreign ads.
USA, you get snappy music, blipverts and 2 second edits.


See also: Duck Dynasty, Here comes Honey Boo-Boo etc...
2013-10-14 12:00:29 PM  
2 votes:

had98c: b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.

I've always preferred being right to being liked, which explains my low friend count. But damn if being right all the time isn't the most awesome thing ever.


So much this. I don't want to be friends with stupid people.
2013-10-14 11:54:46 AM  
2 votes:
BTW, if the media did not endorse and support fear mongering and derpifying, we would not have this problem.
Reporters know better than to repeat chit from politicians. They could call them out instead of just reinforcing the stupid and the profiteering.
But, Nnooo! Just act as a brain dead pretend stupid billboard.

NEVER go pretend stupid.
2013-10-14 11:45:50 AM  
2 votes:

b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.


I've always preferred being right to being liked, which explains my low friend count. But damn if being right all the time isn't the most awesome thing ever.
2013-10-14 11:43:37 AM  
2 votes:
s2.buzzfeed.com

And here are the thoughts of the typical Obama supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoseyTAPBjM">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=IoseyTAPBjM
2013-10-14 11:41:06 AM  
2 votes:
Both sides are dumb, so vote Camacho.
2013-10-14 03:57:12 PM  
1 votes:

CleanAndPure: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.

America may spend a lot more money but when that money goes to building stadia and fancy high tech busses for the sports teams... etc instead of the class room it doesn't help much.

Having attended school in both Europe and America I can honestly say Europe focuses a lot more on academics... in America the school revolves around the "foot"ball team and education is an annoying side effect of school.


Let's not forget homework. In Europe teachers teach. In America they grade homework and assign more homework so that your parent have to do the actual teaching.

American schools don't need more funding... they need to dump the sports as a primary focus... concentrate on education and get teachers to teach... not just be homework graders.


We're a rewards based society. Instead of dumping sports entirely, we should pool *all* of the sports money from around each state and only fund those school's sports programs which are in the top 10% of academics state wide.

The remainder of the money will be used to improve the academics in the other 90%.
2013-10-14 03:12:57 PM  
1 votes:

Nightjars: Anti-intellectualism seems to be on the upswing in America.  Its kind of hard to deal with somebody who is not only stupid, but is proud of the fact that they are stupid.


This is why I have a huge issue with a good portion of America's very outspoken leaders making universities sound like a supervillain factories. When you start talking about a Harvard degree as if it's a point of shame rather than something to be proud of, there's a problem.
2013-10-14 03:11:15 PM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: impaler: FLMountainMan: And adding to the hilarity, most if not all the Congressmen voting for and against it didn't even read the bill.   "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it" in the words of one of the main proponents of the bill.  And most of these people were re-elected based on whether or not they had a D or an R after their name.  That's how farking dumb we are.

You know how I know you are one of the dumb people CNN is talking about?   Because you disagree with me on the role of government

You should have been tipped off that people had plenty of time to read it around week 3 of people complaining they didn't have time to read it.

Also, the quote was "we [the US House of Representatives] have to pass the [health care] bill so that you [the US Senate] can find out what's in it...."

Pelosi said today, "the outside groups...were saying 'it's about abortion,' which it never was. 'It's about 'death panels,'' which it never was..."So, that's why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn't," Pelosi continued. "It is none of these things..." "But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can't really, we can't really debunk what they're saying...."

Be honest with yourself.


He just cited the exact issue with the original comment, in detailed quotes - and your response is to question his motivation?  I suppose it was good of you to provide an example of the damaging impact of anti-intellectualism, right here in the thread.
2013-10-14 02:58:11 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-10-14 02:54:04 PM  
1 votes:

UberDave: Instead of stating that Americans are dumb, they should simply recognize that fact and try to capitalize on it....you know, like Fox News.


Just because CNN isn't partisan hackery doesn't mean it is any less dumb.

The Daily Show spends more time on "hard news" than the missing white girl channel.
2013-10-14 02:42:16 PM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Mambo Bananapatch: Surprised that the stupefying effect of religion has not yet been mentioned.

Usually, as countries develop and its people become educated, they grow up and religion is left behind; but in America it is flourishing, and it's only a matter of time until a critical mass of stupidity is achieved, and the entire nation will implode into a black hole of near-total ignorance.

Yeah, except that every study around of Americans shows that religious belief and affiliation is declining.

But you're one of the "smart" ones, amirite?



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2013-10-14 01:38:24 PM  
1 votes:

Begoggle: The Southern Dandy: "Look at it this way...think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that."
--George Carlin


/It goes double for 'Murica

4,4,2,10,5,3,9,3
What is the average of those 8 numbers?
Are half the numbers below that?

/George Carlin was a great troll.


Intelligence is a bell curve.
2013-10-14 01:37:10 PM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Mambo Bananapatch: Surprised that the stupefying effect of religion has not yet been mentioned.

Usually, as countries develop and its people become educated, they grow up and religion is left behind; but in America it is flourishing, and it's only a matter of time until a critical mass of stupidity is achieved, and the entire nation will implode into a black hole of near-total ignorance.

Yeah, except that every study around of Americans shows that religious belief and affiliation is declining.

But you're one of the "smart" ones, amirite?


The very existence of the Tea Party, and the disproportionate amount of influence they exert, speaks to the value of every study around.
2013-10-14 01:28:16 PM  
1 votes:
The thing is, I don't think that most people are stupid as much as they are lazy. And also selfish, which is why they put a great deal of effort into shiat they care about (like football or Facebook or watching Dancing with the Stars) and little effort into learning boring things (like boring facts about the boring government) that they don't think affect them.

They only pay attention to shiat when they HAVE to. Most adults seem to think their education ends when they graduate high school or college. And after that, most don't bother learning one more thing than they have to. Most don't have time or inclination to keep up on the stupid wonky political/govt. shiat that the majority of cable news assholes yap about. And to be fair, there's not a really good reason why they should. Who wants to ingest a constant diet of that crap? It's depressing.

So when forced to state their opinion about something they know nothing about, a lot of them, instead of answering honestly (I don't know enough to comment intelligently) offer the uninformed opinion that they get from their equally ignorant friends/family or the bullshiat "news" they watch, because they think admitting you don't know something makes you sound dumb, while offering opinions is OK, because "opinions can't be wrong."
2013-10-14 01:23:15 PM  
1 votes:

Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


[mercatus.org image 450x348]


If you spend all your money on administration / oversight / compliance / reporting you get what we have now.  The local HS has more Principals / AP's (Assistant Principals / Counselors than you can imagine.  The overhead load or portion of the budget has more than doubled last 25 years.

We spend, but on bureaucracy, not the learning
2013-10-14 01:12:36 PM  
1 votes:
2013-10-14 01:07:07 PM  
1 votes:

CleanAndPure: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.

America may spend a lot more money but when that money goes to building stadia and fancy high tech busses for the sports teams... etc instead of the class room it doesn't help much.

Having attended school in both Europe and America I can honestly say Europe focuses a lot more on academics... in America the school revolves around the "foot"ball team and education is an annoying side effect of school.


Let's not forget homework. In Europe teachers teach. In America they grade homework and assign more homework so that your parent have to do the actual teaching.

American schools don't need more funding... they need to dump the sports as a primary focus... concentrate on education and get teachers to teach... not just be homework graders.


Yeah, but those in power would rather have an ignorant population.
2013-10-14 12:58:13 PM  
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Surprised that the stupefying effect of religion has not yet been mentioned.

Usually, as countries develop and its people become educated, they grow up and religion is left behind; but in America it is flourishing, and it's only a matter of time until a critical mass of stupidity is achieved, and the entire nation will implode into a black hole of near-total ignorance.
2013-10-14 12:57:19 PM  
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Ignorance is Bliss
2013-10-14 12:53:09 PM  
1 votes:
www.bartcop.com
2013-10-14 12:51:17 PM  
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Dumb? I'd say easily entertained and misinformed by the Media.
2013-10-14 12:46:37 PM  
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We're proud to not know.  Anyone who doesn't argue a topic "Bill O'Reily scream at your opponent" style is an ivory tower elitist loser.
2013-10-14 12:40:11 PM  
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Corn_Fed: TheShavingofOccam123: FROM THIS[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x400]TO THIS[consumersforpeace.org image 363x350]
I would say we are far too easily manipulated. And that our leaders in government and industry are far too manipulative.

Yep.

Everyone who supported the Iraq War during the run-up to war in 2002 and 2003 should realize how easily they can be manipulated. Most won't admit today that they supported it then. But it was 90% of America who were successfully duped.

The only advice I can give is: turn off your television. It exists only to make you dumber.


You don't have to turn the TV off completely. Just think while you watch. Use your critical thinking skills to determine bias, profit, origin, etc. All the same skills you use to navigate modern life.

Oh wait never mind. This is America. We better just leave it at "turn off the TV" because we aren't very good at the critical thinking/media literacy skills.
2013-10-14 12:36:36 PM  
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TheShavingofOccam123: FROM THIS[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x400]TO THIS[consumersforpeace.org image 363x350]
I would say we are far too easily manipulated. And that our leaders in government and industry are far too manipulative.


Yep.

Everyone who supported the Iraq War during the run-up to war in 2002 and 2003 should realize how easily they can be manipulated. Most won't admit today that they supported it then. But it was 90% of America who were successfully duped.

The only advice I can give is: turn off your television. It exists only to make you dumber.
2013-10-14 12:24:04 PM  
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You know it is bad when the third grade level news thinks you are dumb
2013-10-14 12:23:40 PM  
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Katolu: Cletus C.: Both sides are dumb, so vote Camacho.

He died in 2012...RIP

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The actual comacho..

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2013-10-14 12:18:37 PM  
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Explodo: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


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Stupid people don't see the need for education and they don't enforce the need for education in their homes.  Their children come to school unprepared and they don't care when their offspring come home with bad grades.  They could care less if their kids try to become educated and get angry if their kids are smarter than they are instead of being proud.


On top of this, we cater to the lowest common denominator. No child left behind, you know!!  Hasn't really worked out for us, has it? We are still among the least literate and most ignorant of all the industrialized nations. Pathetic. And it shows in the quality and quantity of our STEM graduates especially.
2013-10-14 12:17:45 PM  
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Mouser: Well, I'm all for limiting the franchise to propertied white males above the age of 35 with no criminal record, but, no, some folks have this crazy idea that "democracy" means EVERYONE gets a vote.


Nobody proposed disenfranchisement (except you) so I'm not quite sure what you think your point is.
2013-10-14 12:15:55 PM  
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FTA: "Literacy study: 1 in 7 U.S. are unable to read this story."

Damn, that's like 50%
2013-10-14 12:14:56 PM  
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miss diminutive: I think the issue is that so many Americans are more concerned with being right  and proving the other side wrong than being factual.

When political discourse dissolves into a shouting match over who's responsible for the hole in the ship instead of working together to fix it, both sides drown.


Oldest trick in the books.  Divide and conquer.  If we ever found a common ground we would overhaul Washington and throw all the bums out and they know it.  Isn't going to happen though.
2013-10-14 12:13:13 PM  
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Katolu: snocone: Corn_Fed: I've been in a position to help release several major products in a nationwide release. I've been told bluntly, by top marketing professionals who have a financial interest in knowing their audience acutely, that the American populace is among the least sophisticated, least intelligent of the major industrial nations.

Advertising campaigns that work effectively internationally must be dumbed down for America, because when tested, Americans are just too thick-skulled to understand them.

It's sad and depressing, but not all that surprising. There are large swaths of America filled with folks who, quite plainly, just aren't all that bright. Does anyone really expect them to be well informed on the intricacies of legislative procedure and policy?

Obviously.
Check out the humor, story line and plot in foreign ads.
USA, you get snappy music, blipverts and 2 second edits.

See also: Duck Dynasty, Here comes Honey Boo-Boo etc...


I get the weirdest looks when I tell co-workers I don't watch those kind of shows...also when people come over and glance at my magazine selection. Always disappointed when there are no Glamour or National Enquirer or People around to look at.
It is sooooo sad....
I am not being snobby (thought they obviously think I am), I just don't see the point in wasting time on any of that crap when I could read or watch something that teaches me something, or helps explain the world around me.....
2013-10-14 12:09:47 PM  
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Pinner: About 75% of a population is the personality type that needs to be told what to do. They need an order, structure, need to know what their place is, and who is in charge.
They are not the free thinkers, the idea people. They are followers.
It's a contant battle to control this segment of society through media. They are easy to manipulate.
Wave a happy meal with a shiny toy and a catchy tune and they all turn and come running. Prop up a pretty kid, teach it to sing while modeling new clothes and everyone pulls out their wallet to buy the package.
They all do this without realizing the big picture. Fabricated reality of how great everything is

People for the most part are not dumb, per se, they are just part of the herd.


You're saying we need leaders who will all tell people to stop being dumb and start trying to be informed and think...and you think that would work?  The majority of those follower types are also lazy, hence the lack of knowledge.  If it takes effort, they don't want to do it.  They spend enough of their time putting forth effort just to stay alive.
2013-10-14 12:09:40 PM  
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Americans are dumb in that we're willfully ignorant.
2013-10-14 12:04:53 PM  
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impaler: b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.

And that's another problem.

Saying stupid shiat is socially acceptable.

Correcting stupid shiat is not.


And CNN certainly f--king knows that.
2013-10-14 12:04:44 PM  
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stuffy: [ts1.mm.bing.net image 289x183]


durbnpoisn.comli.com
2013-10-14 11:59:58 AM  
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Katolu: LessO2: Katolu: Cletus C.: Both sides are dumb, so vote Camacho.

He died in 2012...RIP

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Funnied


Good candidate then. Unlikely to go Warifying for Peace.
2013-10-14 11:59:18 AM  
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CNN.  Fox News' brother from a different mother.  They get together for a make-out session behind the barn their families share.

Two news sources tied for first place in being the last news sources I'd ever look at.
2013-10-14 11:54:23 AM  
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No wai! America iz teh smart!

blogilates.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com
2013-10-14 11:52:23 AM  
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All true Amuricans know their intelligence is above average.
2013-10-14 11:51:22 AM  
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Let's focus on the important parts of that. CNN. Thinks Americans. Are dumb. Yes, that CNN


Could be worse: it could have been USA Today.
2013-10-14 11:51:18 AM  
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Aaaaaaaand?
2013-10-14 11:49:12 AM  
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b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.


Problem with playing stupid is that there is no Truth. No Justice. No American Way.

TRUTH
JUSTICE
THE AMERICAN WAY

remember those?

/never go pretend retard
2013-10-14 11:47:34 AM  
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Ugh.  Well, at least I'm glad that he established that it was silly for Ted Cruz and Harry Reid to cite Dr. Seuss.  The article is good to criticize the US for its abandonment of education.  On the other hand, it's really stupid for it to try to make any political arguments in that context, because CNN is a severe offender in the "stupid, uninformative, irresponsible news" department.
2013-10-14 11:47:05 AM  
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I only have one question:

Is Anna Nicole Smith still dead, Wolf?
2013-10-14 11:45:32 AM  
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UberDave: Instead of stating that Americans are dumb, they should simply recognize that fact and try to capitalize on it....you know, like Fox News.


And DFL, GOP, RCC,

The list of panderers is kinda long.

/is any warm body a better sycophant that an educated one?
//rhetorical
2013-10-14 11:44:38 AM  
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Widespread ignorance has been a standard part of civilization since its inception.  The population cannot be held at fault for the lack of ability and talent of those who volunteer for the responsibility of governing and leading the nation.  If you're in a position of power and do not realize the nature of the that which you control then it's your fault.
2013-10-14 11:44:21 AM  
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I thought it was a pretty good article subby, well written too.
 
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