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(CNN)   CNN publishes editorial saying Americans are too dumb. Let's focus on the important parts of that. CNN. Thinks Americans. Are dumb. Yes, that CNN   (cnn.com) divider line 181
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2013-10-14 03:23:15 PM

edmo: Americans ARE stupid and they're getting stupider and they're proud of it. The average European with a college education who travels (about 30 percent) knows more about American politics then Americans do.

The only time you see much intellect displayed here, it gets dismissed as liberal clap trap.


FTFY. In my experience, working-class Italians, Brits and Poles don't know anything about anything in the next BLOCK, let alone other countries.
 
2013-10-14 03:34:32 PM

impaler: impaler: The median average is 4.5.

Yes, half are below that number.

Whoops. missed the 2.

Median is 4.


The median is 4. Median is the middle number in an odd-numbered series of results, so in this case of eight results, you average the 4 and the 4. By definition, half the numbers in a series are below the median and half above. Mean is the sum of all the results divided by the number of them. 44 / 8 = 5.5. In this case, more than half the numbers are below the mean.
 
2013-10-14 03:42:42 PM

Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


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Those numbers are very tough to compare, because a lot of what we track as education spending (reduced-price lunch, f'rinstance, and special ed) aren't tracked the same way in other countries. The "poor results" on average of American students has more to do with the fact that we test ALL of our kids (including special ed, and kids whose first language isn't English), while most countries test only their college-bound kids. I do think we spend more effort on teaching kids who require more time to learn, which probably slows down the elite kids a bit compared to European and Asian kids, but I'm OK with that; the academically elite kids will catch up once they get a year or two in college. And our universities produce superior graduates compared to Europe and Japan, where college is mostly a place for rich/smart kids to get drunk, protest and screw once they studied their asses off and won the cutthroat competition to get there.
 
2013-10-14 03:46:40 PM
 Aside from casual references to Idiocracy, no one in this thread, or even in the article, has posed the hypothesis that maybe Americans are dumb because of heritable intelligence.
 Perhaps education reform can help alleviate irresponsible and uninformed voting practices, but I fear a considerable portion of the United States electorate may be intellectually challenged to the point where education may not be effective.
 Intelligence is largely a hereditary attribute, and I imagine there are populations in America where a feedback loop of creates generations of increasingly stupid citizens.

Maybe we're dumb, because we've been selectively breeding for decreased intelligence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
 
2013-10-14 03:48:19 PM

skozlaw: Mouser: Well, I'm all for limiting the franchise to propertied white males above the age of 35 with no criminal record, but, no, some folks have this crazy idea that "democracy" means EVERYONE gets a vote.

Nobody proposed disenfranchisement (except you) so I'm not quite sure what you think your point is.


TFA was complaining that stupid people were voting.  Since the authors seemed to think democracy was a bad idea, I just proposed a simple fix that would appeal to them.
 
2013-10-14 03:57:12 PM

CleanAndPure: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.

America may spend a lot more money but when that money goes to building stadia and fancy high tech busses for the sports teams... etc instead of the class room it doesn't help much.

Having attended school in both Europe and America I can honestly say Europe focuses a lot more on academics... in America the school revolves around the "foot"ball team and education is an annoying side effect of school.


Let's not forget homework. In Europe teachers teach. In America they grade homework and assign more homework so that your parent have to do the actual teaching.

American schools don't need more funding... they need to dump the sports as a primary focus... concentrate on education and get teachers to teach... not just be homework graders.


We're a rewards based society. Instead of dumping sports entirely, we should pool *all* of the sports money from around each state and only fund those school's sports programs which are in the top 10% of academics state wide.

The remainder of the money will be used to improve the academics in the other 90%.
 
2013-10-14 04:23:24 PM

b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.


You sound like you're more of a blast at parties that you used to be.

Also: if you haven't, try marriage. It will cure you of your desire to be right all the time (if you are male).
 
2013-10-14 04:25:45 PM

Mouser: skozlaw: Mouser: Well, I'm all for limiting the franchise to propertied white males above the age of 35 with no criminal record, but, no, some folks have this crazy idea that "democracy" means EVERYONE gets a vote.

Nobody proposed disenfranchisement (except you) so I'm not quite sure what you think your point is.

TFA was complaining that stupid people were voting.  Since the authors seemed to think democracy was a bad idea, I just proposed a simple fix that would appeal to them.


So you're saying that you believe anyone that isn't a white male over 35 is stupid?

// A year and a half and I get to be SMRT, yay!
 
2013-10-14 04:36:38 PM

FLMountainMan: impaler: FLMountainMan: And adding to the hilarity, most if not all the Congressmen voting for and against it didn't even read the bill.   "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it" in the words of one of the main proponents of the bill.  And most of these people were re-elected based on whether or not they had a D or an R after their name.  That's how farking dumb we are.

You know how I know you are one of the dumb people CNN is talking about?   Because you disagree with me on the role of government

You should have been tipped off that people had plenty of time to read it around week 3 of people complaining they didn't have time to read it.

Also, the quote was "we [the US House of Representatives] have to pass the [health care] bill so that you [the US Senate] can find out what's in it...."

Pelosi said today, "the outside groups...were saying 'it's about abortion,' which it never was. 'It's about 'death panels,'' which it never was..."So, that's why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn't," Pelosi continued. "It is none of these things..." "But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can't really, we can't really debunk what they're saying...."

Be honest with yourself.


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2013-10-14 05:15:36 PM

Begoggle: The Southern Dandy: "Look at it this way...think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that."
--George Carlin


/It goes double for 'Murica

4,4,2,10,5,3,9,3
What is the average of those 8 numbers?
Are half the numbers below that?

/George Carlin was a great troll.


In your example, yes. 4,4,2,3 and 3 are below 5 which is the average of those 8 numbers.

Care to try again?
 
2013-10-14 05:19:13 PM

lunkhed: [www.casa-emilia.co.uk image 631x442]


That's the northwestern shoulder of Africa, right?
 
2013-10-14 05:23:53 PM
I are not stupd!  I are teh smrt.  TEH SMRT!

SMRT!

/s-m-r-t
// I mean s-m-r-a-t
 
2013-10-14 05:27:38 PM

snocone: UberDave: Instead of stating that Americans are dumb, they should simply recognize that fact and try to capitalize on it....you know, like Fox News.

And DFL, GOP, RCC,

The list of panderers is kinda long.

/is any warm body a better sycophant that an educated one?
//rhetorical


Know how I know you're from Minnesota? Okay, I've put it in bold type, just in case.
 
2013-10-14 06:06:12 PM
True, but it's funny when a guy in dreads tells me that.
 
2013-10-14 06:11:29 PM
www.txroadrunners.com
 
2013-10-14 06:48:01 PM

Needlessly Complicated: Well.... They're not NOT right.

Something something broken clock something something.


I think it's "Even a blind squirrel is right twice a day."
 
2013-10-14 07:39:46 PM
of course were dumb. we get our news from CNN....who actually reads twitter feeds on TV...yep.
 
2013-10-14 07:58:56 PM

lunkhed: [www.casa-emilia.co.uk image 631x442]


Switzerland? That's where they cancel the Czechs?
 
2013-10-14 08:18:43 PM

UberDave: Instead of stating that Americans are dumb, they should simply recognize that fact and try to capitalize on it....you know, like Fox News.


Dammit, I came in here to say this.

/remembers a MAD Magazine page:  "You can fool some of the people all of the time.  Gentlemen, this is our target audience!"
 
2013-10-14 09:40:55 PM

Skraeling: fwiw its actually a really nice suv.  inlaws have one and it drives pretty well.


Do you work for an ad agency?

I wasn't judging that SUV itself.  I've only seen commercials.  It may well be the best SUV in the world.  I'm just saying their commercials are wasted on me because I don't want an SUV and even if I did, I would consider a wide range of options.

I suppose it affects sales though.  Some people may see that commercial and think they have to have one, or on the other end some people will see it and at least consider it as an option instead of letting some other SUV get stuck in their head as one they should buy.

Your comment does remind me of something I saw a couple of weeks ago (I can't remember where - somewhere on the internet).  At any rate, a study found that negative internet comments about something didn't affect people's opinions too much, but even 1 single positive comment influenced people a lot.

So, if Farker # 781,234,188 thinks the Acadia sucks, who cares?  He's probably an idiot anyway, but if Farker #812,131,660 says it's a great car people will listen to Farker #812,131,660.

Interesting psychology advertisrs use.

/full disclosure - I worked for an ad agency way back when and we didn't pick our clients because we thought they had a great product or service.  We took what was handed to us and sold it as best we could.  That was a long time ago, but I can see them placing a few posts here and there praising their clients while not trying to be too obvious.

Oh, did someone mention the Acadia?  Let's log in and say how great it is.  I'm not accusing you of being a shill, I'm just saying what I would do if I were still in that business.

It's an art, much like trolling.  You have to try not to be obvious about it.  You may even have to build up an online persona that people like and trust before hitting them with your propaganda,
 
2013-10-14 11:31:39 PM

edmo: Americans ARE stupid and they're getting stupider and they're proud of it. The average European knows more about American politics then Americans do.

The only time you see much intellect displayed here, it gets dismissed as liberal clap trap.


More stupid, not stupider. If you are going to call someone stupider, at least don't be more stupid than the stupid people you are calling stupider
 
2013-10-15 12:01:54 AM
Dear CNN,

You share a large portion of blame, since you're a huge part of the problem. After all, you spend 24/7 every day of the year doing your hardest to get every person watching TV to be a mindless politically aligned zombie hyped up on the latest fear-mongering you can rather than actually just doing unbiased, intelligent journalism and debate. THEN you have the nerve to call your "audience" dumb?!

Signed, Everybody

PS: People wake up and realize both parties and every faction wanting your time are all lying to you and unworthy of it.
 
2013-10-15 01:00:41 AM

DemDave: [imageshack.com image 247x167]

Isn't this just a tad hypocritical? First they tell us to shut our brains off when we go to the movies. Then they chastise us for not using our brains.


See, an intelligent man can do just that, not criticise a movie and enjoy it based on the emotion ride (or lack thereof depending on the movie), and yet can make judgements on their own without listening to one side or the other.
 
2013-10-15 02:57:23 AM

coxdebate: The problem isn't that too many Americans are dumb.  The real problem is that the Dumb Americans don't believe that they're really dumb.


The Dorwning Effect is a real problem.  Life would be much easier if ignorant and stupid people were fully aware that they were ignorant and stupid.

Or at the very least, a lot different, anyway.
 
2013-10-15 04:37:08 AM
The OECD just conducted a 2 year study of what the whole world already knew, Americans are dumb as dirt.
 
2013-10-15 05:04:44 AM

had98c: b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.

I've always preferred being right to being liked, which explains my low friend count. But damn if being right all the time isn't the most awesome thing ever.


It's cute how everyone firmly believes that they're the smart ones, and everyone else is ignorant.
 
2013-10-15 09:10:57 AM
If you read the posting to their news stories you would know 'dumb' is being polite.
 
2013-10-15 09:11:55 AM

MadAzza: had98c: b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.

I've always preferred being right to being liked, which explains my low friend count. But damn if being right all the time isn't the most awesome thing ever.

It's cute how everyone firmly believes that they're the smart ones, and everyone else is ignorant.


Well, when you can actually support your intelligence buy basing it upon facts and not imaginary unsupported opinions, then yes. We are.
 
2013-10-15 11:33:37 AM
You can't buy intelligence.
 
2013-10-15 12:10:48 PM

headstone: You can't buy intelligence.


No, but it can be and is sold.
Buyer Beware.
 
2013-10-15 10:06:42 PM
This isn't a typical CNN reporter, but an Op/Ed writer who appears to eschew the typical print media's unwritten rule about keeping their articles at a seventh grade reading level.

Actually, that reading level is the one pointed out to my English class more years ago than I care to admit. The standard's probably far lower, now, but the point is, the print media has had this low opinion of it's readers for decades - the only difference is: now they have statistical proof. If you think they're wrong, try reading the comments attached to news stories (not here, of course, but to the actual stories through their various outlets) or reading comments on Facebook. Now, compare that to samples from our founding fathers. Now, try not to cry in frustration, when you realize that many of our future leaders must be chosen from this group of flaming, grammar challenged malcontents who are incapable of even spelling out an entire sentence.

In a world where ignorance is bliss, knowledge can be pure torture...so I can commiserate with this author, despite his questionable choice of where to display his commentary
 
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