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2013-10-14 12:58:13 PM  
Surprised that the stupefying effect of religion has not yet been mentioned.

Usually, as countries develop and its people become educated, they grow up and religion is left behind; but in America it is flourishing, and it's only a matter of time until a critical mass of stupidity is achieved, and the entire nation will implode into a black hole of near-total ignorance.
 
2013-10-14 12:58:57 PM  

BitwiseShift: The author is a dreaded lezbian or something.


Might as well be. The majority of the articles he writes are about how white straight men are evil and how everyone should be black and gay like him.

I can try to be black... but I'm unable to be gay.
 
2013-10-14 01:00:30 PM  

CleanAndPure: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.

America may spend a lot more money but when that money goes to building stadia and fancy high tech busses for the sports teams... etc instead of the class room it doesn't help much.

Having attended school in both Europe and America I can honestly say Europe focuses a lot more on academics... in America the school revolves around the "foot"ball team and education is an annoying side effect of school.


Let's not forget homework. In Europe teachers teach. In America they grade homework and assign more homework so that your parent have to do the actual teaching.

American schools don't need more funding... they need to dump the sports as a primary focus... concentrate on education and get teachers to teach... not just be homework graders.


They also need to remove gang-bangers and other felons from the public school system. There also needs to be a huge rebuilding of the foster care programs and adoption programs.  Gangs exist because of the next generation. Organized criminal activity breaks down very quickly if you prevent new members from dealing with attrition.
 
2013-10-14 01:01:35 PM  
"All the dumb makes me not want to even go anywhere most of the time." -- Jeffrey Rowland
 
2013-10-14 01:02:46 PM  

Pinner: About 75% of a population is the personality type that needs to be told what to do. They need an order, structure, need to know what their place is, and who is in charge.
They are not the free thinkers, the idea people. They are followers.
It's a contant battle to control this segment of society through media. They are easy to manipulate.
Wave a happy meal with a shiny toy and a catchy tune and they all turn and come running. Prop up a pretty kid, teach it to sing while modeling new clothes and everyone pulls out their wallet to buy the package.
They all do this without realizing the big picture. Fabricated reality of how great everything is

People for the most part are not dumb, per se, they are just part of the herd.


I wouldn't say that. The biggest problem is apathy. People just don't care. I mean, really care. It's easy to watch a news channel and swear at the TV, maybe biatch and moan to friends and family. Hell, the more industrious might take their grievances to web forums and post snarky pictures on Facebook but that is not really caring. A significant portion of the population don't even want to do their civic duty and vote and even if they do it is probably only every four years to vote for President.

It isn't that people are stupid or just want to be told what to do out of some innate craving for domination, they just don't care. Most people want to live their lives and pursue their hobbies and interests. The politicians know this, the corporations know this, and the media knows this and they all love it. Hell, they encourage it. It's easy to do whatever you want when nobody is paying attention.

It also doesn't help when the United States is bigger Europe. Most of our states are bigger than most of the countries in Europe. It is much easier to become engaged in National politics when you have a country that is the size of Oregon, Montana, or Virginia. In my experience there just seems to some psychological factor that the smaller the government entity is the less of a "You can't fight city hall" mentality exists. Try to affect change in the federal government, don't bother; state government there's a chance; town government, worth a try; school district, go egg the Superintendent's house.
 
2013-10-14 01:05:48 PM  

CleanAndPure: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.

America may spend a lot more money but when that money goes to building stadia and fancy high tech busses for the sports teams... etc instead of the class room it doesn't help much.

Having attended school in both Europe and America I can honestly say Europe focuses a lot more on academics... in America the school revolves around the "foot"ball team and education is an annoying side effect of school.


Let's not forget homework. In Europe teachers teach. In America they grade homework and assign more homework so that your parent have to do the actual teaching.

American schools don't need more funding... they need to dump the sports as a primary focus... concentrate on education and get teachers to teach... not just be homework graders.


If I wasn't on mobile I would Smart you 😀
 
2013-10-14 01:07:01 PM  
America is dumb.

When this is presumably considered the benchmark for "Smart":

LZ Granderson is a CNN contributor who writes a weekly column for CNN.com. The former Hechinger Institute fellow has had his commentary recognized by the Online News Association, the National Association of Black Journalists and the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association. He is a senior writer for ESPN as well as a lecturer at Northwestern University.


Yeah, you never had much of a chance
 
2013-10-14 01:07:07 PM  

CleanAndPure: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.

America may spend a lot more money but when that money goes to building stadia and fancy high tech busses for the sports teams... etc instead of the class room it doesn't help much.

Having attended school in both Europe and America I can honestly say Europe focuses a lot more on academics... in America the school revolves around the "foot"ball team and education is an annoying side effect of school.


Let's not forget homework. In Europe teachers teach. In America they grade homework and assign more homework so that your parent have to do the actual teaching.

American schools don't need more funding... they need to dump the sports as a primary focus... concentrate on education and get teachers to teach... not just be homework graders.


Yeah, but those in power would rather have an ignorant population.
 
2013-10-14 01:10:45 PM  
"Quit laffin'!!"
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2013-10-14 01:10:51 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: CleanAndPure: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.

America may spend a lot more money but when that money goes to building stadia and fancy high tech busses for the sports teams... etc instead of the class room it doesn't help much.

Having attended school in both Europe and America I can honestly say Europe focuses a lot more on academics... in America the school revolves around the "foot"ball team and education is an annoying side effect of school.


Let's not forget homework. In Europe teachers teach. In America they grade homework and assign more homework so that your parent have to do the actual teaching.

American schools don't need more funding... they need to dump the sports as a primary focus... concentrate on education and get teachers to teach... not just be homework graders.

They also need to remove gang-bangers and other felons from the public school system. There also needs to be a huge rebuilding of the foster care programs and adoption programs.  Gangs exist because of the next generation. Organized criminal activity breaks down very quickly if you prevent new members from dealing with attrition.


I don't know how it works in other places, but we have special campuses for discipline cases. They don't even get one free pass for some offenses such as weapons or illegal drugs; multiple offenders for less serious offenses can go there too (fights, vandalism, etc). So that isn't as big a deal in our area, but I guess in some areas it would be more efficient to remove the nonviolent kids instead....
 
2013-10-14 01:12:36 PM  
 
2013-10-14 01:17:04 PM  
Is CNN racist for saying Americans are too dumb?
 
2013-10-14 01:19:45 PM  
www.casa-emilia.co.uk
 
2013-10-14 01:20:33 PM  

dletter: FlashHarry: he's right.

Agreed.... when Jimmy Kimmel is going on the streets and "tricking" people into picking which between "Obamacare" and "The Affordable Care Act", it isn't something to just "laugh" at, as this article also states (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-horsey-obamacare -2 0131008,0,6137479.story ).... "Mr. Kimmel's stunt illustrates a problem at the core of the argument over health care and most other contentious issues in this country: Huge numbers of voters are simply ignorant. "


And adding to the hilarity, most if not all the Congressmen voting for and against it didn't even read the bill.   "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it" in the words of one of the main proponents of the bill.  And most of these people were re-elected based on whether or not they had a D or an R after their name.  That's how farking dumb we are.
 
2013-10-14 01:22:49 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: Surprised that the stupefying effect of religion has not yet been mentioned.

Usually, as countries develop and its people become educated, they grow up and religion is left behind; but in America it is flourishing, and it's only a matter of time until a critical mass of stupidity is achieved, and the entire nation will implode into a black hole of near-total ignorance.


Yeah, except that every study around of Americans shows that religious belief and affiliation is declining.

But you're one of the "smart" ones, amirite?
 
2013-10-14 01:23:15 PM  

Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


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If you spend all your money on administration / oversight / compliance / reporting you get what we have now.  The local HS has more Principals / AP's (Assistant Principals / Counselors than you can imagine.  The overhead load or portion of the budget has more than doubled last 25 years.

We spend, but on bureaucracy, not the learning
 
2013-10-14 01:26:20 PM  
The dumb doesn't necessarily bother me nearly as much as the mean-spirited hate and evil.
 
2013-10-14 01:28:16 PM  
The thing is, I don't think that most people are stupid as much as they are lazy. And also selfish, which is why they put a great deal of effort into shiat they care about (like football or Facebook or watching Dancing with the Stars) and little effort into learning boring things (like boring facts about the boring government) that they don't think affect them.

They only pay attention to shiat when they HAVE to. Most adults seem to think their education ends when they graduate high school or college. And after that, most don't bother learning one more thing than they have to. Most don't have time or inclination to keep up on the stupid wonky political/govt. shiat that the majority of cable news assholes yap about. And to be fair, there's not a really good reason why they should. Who wants to ingest a constant diet of that crap? It's depressing.

So when forced to state their opinion about something they know nothing about, a lot of them, instead of answering honestly (I don't know enough to comment intelligently) offer the uninformed opinion that they get from their equally ignorant friends/family or the bullshiat "news" they watch, because they think admitting you don't know something makes you sound dumb, while offering opinions is OK, because "opinions can't be wrong."
 
2013-10-14 01:28:44 PM  
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2013-10-14 01:29:03 PM  

pxlboy: Yeah, but those in power would rather have an ignorant population.

 
2013-10-14 01:29:31 PM  
The typical Farker and the point of every other Farker thread:


anticache.img8.joyreactor.com
 
2013-10-14 01:30:35 PM  

The Southern Dandy: "Look at it this way...think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that."
--George Carlin


/It goes double for 'Murica


4,4,2,10,5,3,9,3
What is the average of those 8 numbers?
Are half the numbers below that?

/George Carlin was a great troll.
 
2013-10-14 01:33:35 PM  
This isn't news.  That the general populace cant be competant on ALL THINGS, has been known throughout history. It's the fundamental reason for a republic versus a democracy.

And no. It doesn't mean that we are all dumb.  Society benefits from the fact that people have different depths of knowledge about different things.

I agree that there should be a baseline level of knowledge for graduating from public schools etc.  But, on a personal level, would never judge somebody for having a different level of knowledge about a subject than myself.

What does bug me is when somebody hasn't applied themself, and therefore, has no level of knowledge or skill about anything at all.  People who party into their 30's and haven't accomplished anything.  Etc.
 
2013-10-14 01:34:17 PM  

coxdebate: The problem isn't that too many Americans are dumb.  The real problem is that the Dumb Americans don't believe that they're really dumb.


Hey! We do too know we're dumb!
 
2013-10-14 01:37:10 PM  

FLMountainMan: Mambo Bananapatch: Surprised that the stupefying effect of religion has not yet been mentioned.

Usually, as countries develop and its people become educated, they grow up and religion is left behind; but in America it is flourishing, and it's only a matter of time until a critical mass of stupidity is achieved, and the entire nation will implode into a black hole of near-total ignorance.

Yeah, except that every study around of Americans shows that religious belief and affiliation is declining.

But you're one of the "smart" ones, amirite?


The very existence of the Tea Party, and the disproportionate amount of influence they exert, speaks to the value of every study around.
 
2013-10-14 01:38:24 PM  

Begoggle: The Southern Dandy: "Look at it this way...think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that."
--George Carlin


/It goes double for 'Murica

4,4,2,10,5,3,9,3
What is the average of those 8 numbers?
Are half the numbers below that?

/George Carlin was a great troll.


Intelligence is a bell curve.
 
2013-10-14 01:45:18 PM  

FLMountainMan: And adding to the hilarity, most if not all the Congressmen voting for and against it didn't even read the bill.   "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it" in the words of one of the main proponents of the bill.  And most of these people were re-elected based on whether or not they had a D or an R after their name.  That's how farking dumb we are.


You know how I know you are one of the dumb people CNN is talking about?

You should have been tipped off that people had plenty of time to read it around week 3 of people complaining they didn't have time to read it.

Also, the quote was "we [the US House of Representatives] have to pass the [health care] bill so that you [the US Senate] can find out what's in it...."

Pelosi said today, "the outside groups...were saying 'it's about abortion,' which it never was. 'It's about 'death panels,'' which it never was..."So, that's why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn't," Pelosi continued. "It is none of these things..." "But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can't really, we can't really debunk what they're saying...."
 
2013-10-14 01:47:34 PM  

Begoggle: 4,4,2,10,5,3,9,3
What is the average of those 8 numbers?
Are half the numbers below that?


The median average is 4.5.

Yes, half are below that number.
 
2013-10-14 01:48:26 PM  

impaler: The median average is 4.5.

Yes, half are below that number.


Whoops. missed the 2.

Median is 4.
 
2013-10-14 01:53:21 PM  

SirEattonHogg: The typical Farker and the point of every other Farker thread:


[anticache.img8.joyreactor.com image 460x359]


thanks for saving me the trouble
 
2013-10-14 01:53:29 PM  

snocone: Obviously.
Check out the humor, story line and plot in foreign ads.
USA, you get snappy music, blipverts and 2 second edits.



That's probably an overgeneralization.  I don't see a lot of ads these days, but I have seen a few good foreign ones.

Here's an old French Citroen ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QOB1uBboSQ&list=PL721E05A547B2261E&i nd ex=4

It's amusing, but it suffers from the same problem that many American car ads do.

It tells you absolutely nothing about the product, but sometimes eve American commercials inform you about the product.

The ad for the GMC Acadia for example touts its space, ease of folding seats and backup camera with cross-traffic alert.  I only use that one as an example because there's a news feed on a Roku channel that has only managed to sign up 2 advertisers and GMC is in much higher rotation so I see it a lot.

IMO, it's a dumb way to advertise, but the Roku channel needs sponsors, but no matter how many times I see it I'm not going to buy an Acadia.  I'm just not interested in buying an SUV, but if I were I would seriously consider an Acadia.  Actually, I'd research other SUVs and compare prices, space, performance, fuel economy, safety and test drive the ones I thought were good candidates.

Nonetheless, it's a reasonably intelligent commercial and I'm sure it appeals to the kind of soccer mom who has 3 kids and is concerned about safety and space and is such a bad driver that she cannot be bothered to look behind her while backing out of her nice suburban home. (There's actually a push to make such systems mandatory in all new cars in the US, you know, because think of the children)

What about beer commercials?  Well, how the hell does one sell a beer in an ad?   There's only image.  That's why beer commercials are so friggin' stupid the world over.

Here's one from Denmark for Tuborg:

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=qgTPYwnB6og

(sorry for the laugh track, it was the first video I found of it).  It's amusing too, but is it really "intelligent"?  No.

The point of much advertising is to make the product stick in your mind.  If you see a great ad, but can't remember what it's for 5 minutes after you saw it then the ad has failed miserably.

The Head On ad (apply directly to the forehead) was annoying as hell and I think everyone hated it, but you definitely knew what the ad was for and it probably did give many a headache, so it was successful.
 
2013-10-14 01:55:52 PM  

durbnpoisn: stuffy: [ts1.mm.bing.net image 289x183]

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DAMMIT!  AGAIN!! shakes two tiny fists etc
 
2013-10-14 01:56:06 PM  
I'm in college for advanced science degrees.  Still taking "filler" courses because 1.) I like the english comp courses. And 2.) I am actually a closet fiction writer.  This leads to my point: while I am in my advanced science courses, I am surrounded by very intelligent people, most of whom are very left-leaning.  They have a good grasp of the language, and can convey their thought for projects rather well.  My english courses are populated by persons who shouldn't have gotten out of english 101, and while they can read Byron, they are mispronouncing most of the words.  The professor and I take turns correcting the students.  This culminated the other day with a student stumbling over a two-letter word.  Frightening would be the word I'd use, but most of the students couldn't spell it without their spell-checker.
   The lack of literacy in an English class is stunning, and this is a higher level of learning.  What does this say about the level of comprehension of the masses when the population seeking out a higher degree lacks such basic fundamentals?  200 words or less
 
2013-10-14 01:59:17 PM  

Trance354: I'm in college for advanced science degrees.  Still taking "filler" courses because 1.) I like the english comp courses. And 2.) I am actually a closet fiction writer.  This leads to my point: while I am in my advanced science courses, I am surrounded by very intelligent people, most of whom are very left-leaning.  They have a good grasp of the language, and can convey their thought for projects rather well.  My english courses are populated by persons who shouldn't have gotten out of english 101, and while they can read Byron, they are mispronouncing most of the words.  The professor and I take turns correcting the students.  This culminated the other day with a student stumbling over a two-letter word.  Frightening would be the word I'd use, but most of the students couldn't spell it without their spell-checker.
   The lack of literacy in an English class is stunning, and this is a higher level of learning.  What does this say about the level of comprehension of the masses when the population seeking out a higher degree lacks such basic fundamentals?  200 words or less


lovecloset fiction.  The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is a classic.
 
2013-10-14 02:08:38 PM  

Explodo: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


[mercatus.org image 450x348]

Stupid people don't see the need for education and they don't enforce the need for education in their homes.  Their children come to school unprepared and they don't care when their offspring come home with bad grades.  They could care less if their kids try to become educated and get angry if their kids are smarter than they are instead of being proud.


You've just described 2/3 of the minority households in my school district.

Our educators fight for these kids while the parents fight with these kids and all the district can do is try to find more ways to throw money at the problem.
 
2013-10-14 02:11:45 PM  
paygun:   The typical Farker and the point of every other Farker thread:


[anticache.img8.joyreactor.com image 460x359]

thanks for saving me the trouble



My pleasure.
 
2013-10-14 02:17:06 PM  

gfid: snocone: Obviously.
Check out the humor, story line and plot in foreign ads.
USA, you get snappy music, blipverts and 2 second edits.


That's probably an overgeneralization.  I don't see a lot of ads these days, but I have seen a few good foreign ones.

Here's an old French Citroen ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QOB1uBboSQ&list=PL721E05A547B2261E&i nd ex=4

It's amusing, but it suffers from the same problem that many American car ads do.

It tells you absolutely nothing about the product, but sometimes eve American commercials inform you about the product.

The ad for the GMC Acadia for example touts its space, ease of folding seats and backup camera with cross-traffic alert.  I only use that one as an example because there's a news feed on a Roku channel that has only managed to sign up 2 advertisers and GMC is in much higher rotation so I see it a lot.

IMO, it's a dumb way to advertise, but the Roku channel needs sponsors, but no matter how many times I see it I'm not going to buy an Acadia.  I'm just not interested in buying an SUV, but if I were I would seriously consider an Acadia.  Actually, I'd research other SUVs and compare prices, space, performance, fuel economy, safety and test drive the ones I thought were good candidates.

Nonetheless, it's a reasonably intelligent commercial and I'm sure it appeals to the kind of soccer mom who has 3 kids and is concerned about safety and space and is such a bad driver that she cannot be bothered to look behind her while backing out of her nice suburban home. (There's actually a push to make such systems mandatory in all new cars in the US, you know, because think of the children)

What about beer commercials?  Well, how the hell does one sell a beer in an ad?   There's only image.  That's why beer commercials are so friggin' stupid the world over.

Here's one from Denmark for Tuborg:

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=qgTPYwnB6og

(sorry for the laugh track, it was the first video I found of it).  It's amusing ...


Have you seen the studies on negating advertising memory impact with chewing?

All of a sudden, I am looking at gum.
 
2013-10-14 02:28:43 PM  

gfid: snocone: Obviously.
Check out the humor, story line and plot in foreign ads.
USA, you get snappy music, blipverts and 2 second edits.


That's probably an overgeneralization.  I don't see a lot of ads these days, but I have seen a few good foreign ones.

Here's an old French Citroen ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QOB1uBboSQ&list=PL721E05A547B2261E&i nd ex=4

It's amusing, but it suffers from the same problem that many American car ads do.

It tells you absolutely nothing about the product, but sometimes eve American commercials inform you about the product.

The ad for the GMC Acadia for example touts its space, ease of folding seats and backup camera with cross-traffic alert.  I only use that one as an example because there's a news feed on a Roku channel that has only managed to sign up 2 advertisers and GMC is in much higher rotation so I see it a lot.

IMO, it's a dumb way to advertise, but the Roku channel needs sponsors, but no matter how many times I see it I'm not going to buy an Acadia.  I'm just not interested in buying an SUV, but if I were I would seriously consider an Acadia.  Actually, I'd research other SUVs and compare prices, space, performance, fuel economy, safety and test drive the ones I thought were good candidates.

Nonetheless, it's a reasonably intelligent commercial and I'm sure it appeals to the kind of soccer mom who has 3 kids and is concerned about safety and space and is such a bad driver that she cannot be bothered to look behind her while backing out of her nice suburban home. (There's actually a push to make such systems mandatory in all new cars in the US, you know, because think of the children)

What about beer commercials?  Well, how the hell does one sell a beer in an ad?   There's only image.  That's why beer commercials are so friggin' stupid the world over.

Here's one from Denmark for Tuborg:

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=qgTPYwnB6og

(sorry for the laugh track, it was the first video I found of it).  It's amusing ...


fwiw its actually a really nice suv.  inlaws have one and it drives pretty well.
 
2013-10-14 02:29:17 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: FROM THISTO THIS
I would say we are far too easily manipulated. And that our leaders in government and industry are far too manipulative.


I will venture to say that our leaders are also easily manipulated, by unscientific, illogical thinking and most easily, by money.

There are an awful lot of people with graduate degrees, even in STEM fields, who are having difficulty finding permanent fulltime work with benefits, as was once the norm in America for someone with advanced credentials. Yet we expect people to strive so hard to be educated. Education indeed should be a worthy goal unto itself, however in America, unlike many European countries, advanced education costs the individual an increasingly prohibitive sum, and must be expected to result in a more substantive payoff, i.e., a good job. This isn't happening nearly to the extent that it once did.
 
2013-10-14 02:36:44 PM  

impaler: FLMountainMan: And adding to the hilarity, most if not all the Congressmen voting for and against it didn't even read the bill.   "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it" in the words of one of the main proponents of the bill.  And most of these people were re-elected based on whether or not they had a D or an R after their name.  That's how farking dumb we are.

You know how I know you are one of the dumb people CNN is talking about?   Because you disagree with me on the role of government

You should have been tipped off that people had plenty of time to read it around week 3 of people complaining they didn't have time to read it.

Also, the quote was "we [the US House of Representatives] have to pass the [health care] bill so that you [the US Senate] can find out what's in it...."

Pelosi said today, "the outside groups...were saying 'it's about abortion,' which it never was. 'It's about 'death panels,'' which it never was..."So, that's why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn't," Pelosi continued. "It is none of these things..." "But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can't really, we can't really debunk what they're saying...."


Be honest with yourself.
 
2013-10-14 02:37:14 PM  

coxdebate: The problem isn't that too many Americans are dumb.  The real problem is that the Dumb Americans don't believe that they're really dumb.



This is an issue that is bothering me more and more - as a non-expert in many fields, I find that it's pretty easy for me to acknowledge not knowing the ins and outs of matters related to those fields.

Like tax policy as it relates to health care costs, for example.  I read up on the relevant materials, or at least some of them, but outside of the obvious trends and issues that play into the American health care system I don't mind saying that while I have directional opinions on the issues, I don't have an exhaustive understanding of the details.

Various relatives and associates of mine, however, don't seem to realize that some issues are more complicated than can readily be grasped through metaphors and facebook posts.  Or that their random 2am rambling opinions about things they have never researched are really, truly not as valid as positions based on actual data.

How does a population of people who embrace ignorance as a badge of honor simultaneously insist that they are completely capable of debating the intricacies of global economics with people who work with statistics for a living?  It blows my mind.
 
2013-10-14 02:42:16 PM  

FLMountainMan: Mambo Bananapatch: Surprised that the stupefying effect of religion has not yet been mentioned.

Usually, as countries develop and its people become educated, they grow up and religion is left behind; but in America it is flourishing, and it's only a matter of time until a critical mass of stupidity is achieved, and the entire nation will implode into a black hole of near-total ignorance.

Yeah, except that every study around of Americans shows that religious belief and affiliation is declining.

But you're one of the "smart" ones, amirite?



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2013-10-14 02:42:42 PM  

dletter: FlashHarry: he's right.

Agreed.... when Jimmy Kimmel is going on the streets and "tricking" people into picking which between "Obamacare" and "The Affordable Care Act", it isn't something to just "laugh" at, as this article also states (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-horsey-obamacare -2 0131008,0,6137479.story ).... "Mr. Kimmel's stunt illustrates a problem at the core of the argument over health care and most other contentious issues in this country: Huge numbers of voters are simply ignorant. "


Largely because the "news" programs aren't providing any actual information.
 
2013-10-14 02:42:53 PM  

FLMountainMan: You know how I know you are one of the dumb people CNN is talking about?   Because you disagree with me on the role of government
...
Be honest with yourself.


Wrong. You just spouted incorrect statements. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I believe the role of government to be. People had plenty of time to read the bill, as evident to how long it was drawn out. Pelosi's statement in full context has nothing to do with the incorrect way you described it.

You're lying, or at the very least repeating lies. And when corrected, you say it's just because I disagree with the role of government, as if that excuses your lying.
 
2013-10-14 02:54:04 PM  

UberDave: Instead of stating that Americans are dumb, they should simply recognize that fact and try to capitalize on it....you know, like Fox News.


Just because CNN isn't partisan hackery doesn't mean it is any less dumb.

The Daily Show spends more time on "hard news" than the missing white girl channel.
 
2013-10-14 02:58:11 PM  
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2013-10-14 03:02:07 PM  

Trance354: The professor and I take turns correcting the students.


That has to be the epitome of hyperbole.
 
2013-10-14 03:09:52 PM  
"Wizard's First Rule: people are stupid... People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool... People need an enemy to feel a sense of purpose. It's easy to lead people when they have a sense of purpose. Sense of purpose is more important by far than the truth. In fact, truth has no bearing in this... People are stupid; they want to believe, so they do." -- Terry Goodkind, Wizard's First Rule

This is from a work of fiction, folks.
 
2013-10-14 03:11:15 PM  

FLMountainMan: impaler: FLMountainMan: And adding to the hilarity, most if not all the Congressmen voting for and against it didn't even read the bill.   "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it" in the words of one of the main proponents of the bill.  And most of these people were re-elected based on whether or not they had a D or an R after their name.  That's how farking dumb we are.

You know how I know you are one of the dumb people CNN is talking about?   Because you disagree with me on the role of government

You should have been tipped off that people had plenty of time to read it around week 3 of people complaining they didn't have time to read it.

Also, the quote was "we [the US House of Representatives] have to pass the [health care] bill so that you [the US Senate] can find out what's in it...."

Pelosi said today, "the outside groups...were saying 'it's about abortion,' which it never was. 'It's about 'death panels,'' which it never was..."So, that's why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn't," Pelosi continued. "It is none of these things..." "But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can't really, we can't really debunk what they're saying...."

Be honest with yourself.


He just cited the exact issue with the original comment, in detailed quotes - and your response is to question his motivation?  I suppose it was good of you to provide an example of the damaging impact of anti-intellectualism, right here in the thread.
 
2013-10-14 03:12:57 PM  

Nightjars: Anti-intellectualism seems to be on the upswing in America.  Its kind of hard to deal with somebody who is not only stupid, but is proud of the fact that they are stupid.


This is why I have a huge issue with a good portion of America's very outspoken leaders making universities sound like a supervillain factories. When you start talking about a Harvard degree as if it's a point of shame rather than something to be proud of, there's a problem.
 
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