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(CNN)   CNN publishes editorial saying Americans are too dumb. Let's focus on the important parts of that. CNN. Thinks Americans. Are dumb. Yes, that CNN   (cnn.com) divider line 181
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2013-10-14 12:06:13 PM  

snocone: Corn_Fed: I've been in a position to help release several major products in a nationwide release. I've been told bluntly, by top marketing professionals who have a financial interest in knowing their audience acutely, that the American populace is among the least sophisticated, least intelligent of the major industrial nations.

Advertising campaigns that work effectively internationally must be dumbed down for America, because when tested, Americans are just too thick-skulled to understand them.

It's sad and depressing, but not all that surprising. There are large swaths of America filled with folks who, quite plainly, just aren't all that bright. Does anyone really expect them to be well informed on the intricacies of legislative procedure and policy?

Obviously.
Check out the humor, story line and plot in foreign ads.
USA, you get snappy music, blipverts and 2 second edits.


See also: Duck Dynasty, Here comes Honey Boo-Boo etc...
 
2013-10-14 12:06:56 PM  
About 75% of a population is the personality type that needs to be told what to do. They need an order, structure, need to know what their place is, and who is in charge.
They are not the free thinkers, the idea people. They are followers.
It's a contant battle to control this segment of society through media. They are easy to manipulate.
Wave a happy meal with a shiny toy and a catchy tune and they all turn and come running. Prop up a pretty kid, teach it to sing while modeling new clothes and everyone pulls out their wallet to buy the package.
They all do this without realizing the big picture. Fabricated reality of how great everything is

People for the most part are not dumb, per se, they are just part of the herd.
 
2013-10-14 12:07:29 PM  
Well, we have a prominent political party whose standard operating procedure is to ridicule and denigrate education and educators.  What the hell did they think would happen?
 
2013-10-14 12:07:47 PM  

edmo: Americans ARE stupid and they're getting stupider and they're proud of it. The average European knows more about American politics then Americans do.

The only time you see much intellect displayed here, it gets dismissed as liberal clap trap.


Yep, nothing intelligent ever gets dismissed as conservative drivel.
 
2013-10-14 12:07:51 PM  
I think the issue is that so many Americans are more concerned with being right  and proving the other side wrong than being factual.

When political discourse dissolves into a shouting match over who's responsible for the hole in the ship instead of working together to fix it, both sides drown.
 
2013-10-14 12:09:40 PM  
Americans are dumb in that we're willfully ignorant.
 
2013-10-14 12:09:47 PM  

Pinner: About 75% of a population is the personality type that needs to be told what to do. They need an order, structure, need to know what their place is, and who is in charge.
They are not the free thinkers, the idea people. They are followers.
It's a contant battle to control this segment of society through media. They are easy to manipulate.
Wave a happy meal with a shiny toy and a catchy tune and they all turn and come running. Prop up a pretty kid, teach it to sing while modeling new clothes and everyone pulls out their wallet to buy the package.
They all do this without realizing the big picture. Fabricated reality of how great everything is

People for the most part are not dumb, per se, they are just part of the herd.


You're saying we need leaders who will all tell people to stop being dumb and start trying to be informed and think...and you think that would work?  The majority of those follower types are also lazy, hence the lack of knowledge.  If it takes effort, they don't want to do it.  They spend enough of their time putting forth effort just to stay alive.
 
2013-10-14 12:10:03 PM  
Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


mercatus.org
 
2013-10-14 12:11:17 PM  

Chummer45: Ugh.  Well, at least I'm glad that he established that it was silly for Ted Cruz and Harry Reid to cite Dr. Seuss.  The article is good to criticize the US for its abandonment of education.  On the other hand, it's really stupid for it to try to make any political arguments in that context, because CNN is a severe offender in the "stupid, uninformative, irresponsible news" department.


CNN is a business. They should sell whatever makes the most profit.

If people didn't watch it, they wouldn't cover it.
 
2013-10-14 12:12:13 PM  
CNN is dumb precisely because they're "market tested" in their approach to journalism.  They dumb things down for ratings because we, the people, are dumb.  Then they're dumb.   Which makes people dumb.   Not hard to see the end-game here.
 
2013-10-14 12:13:04 PM  

UberDave: Instead of stating that Americans are dumb, they should simply recognize that fact and try to capitalize on it....you know, like Fox News.


I would say they are trying to capitalize on it. Have you seen any of their programming lately? It is like a news broadcast designed for a child except kids wouldn't even watch that dreck. "Here is some human interest stories and celebrity news that no one cares about and OH LOOK, IT'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO OF A CUTE PUPPY!" I've seen more actual news on Good Morning America!

This just confirms what we all knew, CNN thinks Americans are idiots and have tailored their "news" shows accordingly. However, I never said they were doing great job of it.
 
2013-10-14 12:13:05 PM  

Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


[mercatus.org image 450x348]


Stupid people don't see the need for education and they don't enforce the need for education in their homes.  Their children come to school unprepared and they don't care when their offspring come home with bad grades.  They could care less if their kids try to become educated and get angry if their kids are smarter than they are instead of being proud.
 
2013-10-14 12:13:13 PM  

Katolu: snocone: Corn_Fed: I've been in a position to help release several major products in a nationwide release. I've been told bluntly, by top marketing professionals who have a financial interest in knowing their audience acutely, that the American populace is among the least sophisticated, least intelligent of the major industrial nations.

Advertising campaigns that work effectively internationally must be dumbed down for America, because when tested, Americans are just too thick-skulled to understand them.

It's sad and depressing, but not all that surprising. There are large swaths of America filled with folks who, quite plainly, just aren't all that bright. Does anyone really expect them to be well informed on the intricacies of legislative procedure and policy?

Obviously.
Check out the humor, story line and plot in foreign ads.
USA, you get snappy music, blipverts and 2 second edits.

See also: Duck Dynasty, Here comes Honey Boo-Boo etc...


I get the weirdest looks when I tell co-workers I don't watch those kind of shows...also when people come over and glance at my magazine selection. Always disappointed when there are no Glamour or National Enquirer or People around to look at.
It is sooooo sad....
I am not being snobby (thought they obviously think I am), I just don't see the point in wasting time on any of that crap when I could read or watch something that teaches me something, or helps explain the world around me.....
 
2013-10-14 12:13:30 PM  
It's all fun and games until you remember that elections have consequences, and that many of those people who said they could name the president -- but not the commander in chief -- will soon be standing in a voting booth, armed with a ballot.

Well, I'm all for limiting the franchise to propertied white males above the age of 35 with no criminal record, but, no, some folks have this crazy idea that "democracy" means EVERYONE gets a vote.
 
2013-10-14 12:14:56 PM  

miss diminutive: I think the issue is that so many Americans are more concerned with being right  and proving the other side wrong than being factual.

When political discourse dissolves into a shouting match over who's responsible for the hole in the ship instead of working together to fix it, both sides drown.


Oldest trick in the books.  Divide and conquer.  If we ever found a common ground we would overhaul Washington and throw all the bums out and they know it.  Isn't going to happen though.
 
2013-10-14 12:15:55 PM  
FTA: "Literacy study: 1 in 7 U.S. are unable to read this story."

Damn, that's like 50%
 
2013-10-14 12:17:45 PM  

Mouser: Well, I'm all for limiting the franchise to propertied white males above the age of 35 with no criminal record, but, no, some folks have this crazy idea that "democracy" means EVERYONE gets a vote.


Nobody proposed disenfranchisement (except you) so I'm not quite sure what you think your point is.
 
2013-10-14 12:18:37 PM  
I do a lot of work in and around the church and my wife and I have come to the understanding that people fall into a number of categories (similar to Rand Spiro's Cognitive Flexibility theory) that basically relate to the level at which that person operates mentally.

The majority of people never get out of the 'concrete' phase, where everything is black and white, and shades of gray are so off-putting, most people consider them to be some sort of falsely taught thing.

While a majority of American finish high school - few of them ever really get out of the elementary school mindset and thus can't handle more complex topics. They also seem to lack basic empathy and compassion and see little or no need to understand something from someone else's point of view.

However, if you get these people one-on-one, you can often push them quite farther than they would move should they have a similar encounter within their group-think setting.


TL;DR - Would just be ironic in this thread, wouldn't it?
 
2013-10-14 12:18:37 PM  

Explodo: Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


[mercatus.org image 450x348]

Stupid people don't see the need for education and they don't enforce the need for education in their homes.  Their children come to school unprepared and they don't care when their offspring come home with bad grades.  They could care less if their kids try to become educated and get angry if their kids are smarter than they are instead of being proud.


On top of this, we cater to the lowest common denominator. No child left behind, you know!!  Hasn't really worked out for us, has it? We are still among the least literate and most ignorant of all the industrialized nations. Pathetic. And it shows in the quality and quantity of our STEM graduates especially.
 
2013-10-14 12:19:02 PM  

b2theory: People in general are pretty ignorant. It amazes me that society is as cohesive as it is.

Then again, I have stopped trying to correct people or challenge their worldviews. I have decided that being right (generally in the area of scientifically knowable things) is not as important as having friends.


I'd rather have some basic understandings of how the world around me works rather than surround myself with morans.

/2 each thar own!
 
2013-10-14 12:19:12 PM  
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Isn't this just a tad hypocritical? First they tell us to shut our brains off when we go to the movies. Then they chastise us for not using our brains.
 
2013-10-14 12:19:24 PM  

Explodo: You're saying we need leaders who will all tell people to stop being dumb and start trying to be informed and think...and you think that would work?  The majority of those follower types are also lazy, hence the lack of knowledge.  If it takes effort, they don't want to do it.  They spend enough of their time putting forth effort just to stay alive.


There's all ready too much of that. The landscape is divided. Do you listen to Fox or MSNBC? NPR or Rush Limbaugh?
Right or left? French Fries or Freedom Fries? Christian or Muslim?
Too many mouth telling people what to think. Even creates more confusion for the average joe.
Why try too hard. Just turn on the tube, grab some Buds, and a bag of chips. See if Entertainment Tonight is on after CSI. Fu(k it.

You can't force people to be objective.
 
2013-10-14 12:19:39 PM  

skozlaw: Mouser: Well, I'm all for limiting the franchise to propertied white males above the age of 35 with no criminal record, but, no, some folks have this crazy idea that "democracy" means EVERYONE gets a vote.

Nobody proposed disenfranchisement (except you) so I'm not quite sure what you think your point is.


What he's saying is disenfranchisement's got electrolytes. It's what plants crave.

/I got nothin'
 
2013-10-14 12:19:53 PM  
The good news, FTFA: According to the report, "individuals who score at lower levels of proficiency in literacy are more likely than those with higher proficiency to ... believe that they have little impact on the political process." Also "in most countries, individuals with lower proficiency are also more likely to have lower levels of trust in others."

So the illiterate aren't voting, it seems?
 
2013-10-14 12:20:42 PM  
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2013-10-14 12:23:03 PM  
I don't see the issue. By and large, Americans are dumb. Sure, there are a lot of intelligent Americans. There are probably millions of them. But, nevertheless, most Americans are stupid as f**k and that's why everything is in the tank like it is. In fairness, though, I don't think it's limited to Americans. Hell, these fake stories, like Eagles snatching children, are a good indicator of the intelligence level of humans. A majority of people are quick to believe stuff like that (and it's far from limited to such minor things) and it's a direct reflection of their level of intelligence. Face it... If you believe stuff like that, you're an idiot at the core. I could go deeper, but I need the stupid people to understand what I'm saying... If they can read it.
 
2013-10-14 12:23:40 PM  

Katolu: Cletus C.: Both sides are dumb, so vote Camacho.

He died in 2012...RIP

[i83.photobucket.com image 220x276]


The actual comacho..

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-14 12:24:04 PM  
You know it is bad when the third grade level news thinks you are dumb
 
2013-10-14 12:25:49 PM  
To fix this problem, we might have to do something, or wait for distraction, which ever makes you happy...
 
2013-10-14 12:26:58 PM  

INeedAName: I do a lot of work in and around the church and my wife and I have come to the understanding that people fall into a number of categories (similar to Rand Spiro's Cognitive Flexibility theory) that basically relate to the level at which that person operates mentally.

The majority of people never get out of the 'concrete' phase, where everything is black and white, and shades of gray are so off-putting, most people consider them to be some sort of falsely taught thing.

While a majority of American finish high school - few of them ever really get out of the elementary school mindset and thus can't handle more complex topics. They also seem to lack basic empathy and compassion and see little or no need to understand something from someone else's point of view.

However, if you get these people one-on-one, you can often push them quite farther than they would move should they have a similar encounter within their group-think setting.


TL;DR - Would just be ironic in this thread, wouldn't it?


While that is probably true, it is rather pathetic and pointless, isn't it? Unless they can learn these skills for themselves and apply them properly they will always be in crisis mode, needing someone else to rescue them from their poor or nonexistent life choices. Giving them the tools to be able to react appropriately is key to enabling them to function on a level that, in any other industrialized nation, would be considered barely adequate.

Propping them up individually is no answer, and I don't mean they should be bootstrappy. These folks don't even know where their boots are....we need to clear the slate and start over with the generation of schoolkids now, giving them the skills to be able to learn on their own. We will just need to continue to babysit the rest of them until they all die out. Then maybe our nation can rejoin the 21st century.
 
2013-10-14 12:28:20 PM  

FROM THIS

upload.wikimedia.org

TO THIS

consumersforpeace.org


I would say we are far too easily manipulated. And that our leaders in government and industry are far too manipulative.
 
2013-10-14 12:31:18 PM  
www.normsousa.com
 
2013-10-14 12:31:51 PM  

Nemo's Brother: [s2.buzzfeed.com image 500x372]

And here are the thoughts of the typical Obama supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoseyTAPBjM">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=IoseyTAPBjM


If you are stupid enough to believe that Howard Stern looks for anything typical or average or representative of a majority and not go for the sensational then the CNN article was right about you.
 
2013-10-14 12:32:30 PM  

TV's Vinnie: No wai! America iz teh smart!

[blogilates.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com image 625x450]


You can tell which Pageant Mom drank the most while pregnant!
 
2013-10-14 12:32:32 PM  
Dumb? Or just interested in dumb things.
 
2013-10-14 12:36:36 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: FROM THIS[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x400]TO THIS[consumersforpeace.org image 363x350]
I would say we are far too easily manipulated. And that our leaders in government and industry are far too manipulative.


Yep.

Everyone who supported the Iraq War during the run-up to war in 2002 and 2003 should realize how easily they can be manipulated. Most won't admit today that they supported it then. But it was 90% of America who were successfully duped.

The only advice I can give is: turn off your television. It exists only to make you dumber.
 
2013-10-14 12:40:06 PM  
Ironic tag? I think this called for a "Spot On" tag.
 
2013-10-14 12:40:11 PM  

Corn_Fed: TheShavingofOccam123: FROM THIS[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x400]TO THIS[consumersforpeace.org image 363x350]
I would say we are far too easily manipulated. And that our leaders in government and industry are far too manipulative.

Yep.

Everyone who supported the Iraq War during the run-up to war in 2002 and 2003 should realize how easily they can be manipulated. Most won't admit today that they supported it then. But it was 90% of America who were successfully duped.

The only advice I can give is: turn off your television. It exists only to make you dumber.


You don't have to turn the TV off completely. Just think while you watch. Use your critical thinking skills to determine bias, profit, origin, etc. All the same skills you use to navigate modern life.

Oh wait never mind. This is America. We better just leave it at "turn off the TV" because we aren't very good at the critical thinking/media literacy skills.
 
2013-10-14 12:42:02 PM  
www.bartcop.com
 
2013-10-14 12:46:03 PM  
Having differences of opinion is fine if you can agree on the facts. If one side continues to ignore facts, there can't be dialog.
 
2013-10-14 12:46:10 PM  
blog.chron.com
media.salon.com
www.imediaethics.org
www.imediaethics.org
dailycaller.com
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-14 12:46:37 PM  
We're proud to not know.  Anyone who doesn't argue a topic "Bill O'Reily scream at your opponent" style is an ivory tower elitist loser.
 
2013-10-14 12:48:08 PM  
Judging from the grammar in your submission, Americans are dumb.
 
2013-10-14 12:48:42 PM  

Nightjars: Anti-intellectualism seems to be on the upswing in America.  Its kind of hard to deal with somebody who is not only stupid, but is proud of the fact that they are stupid.


"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" ― Isaac Asimov
 
2013-10-14 12:51:17 PM  
Dumb? I'd say easily entertained and misinformed by the Media.
 
2013-10-14 12:51:59 PM  

lohphat: Nightjars: Anti-intellectualism seems to be on the upswing in America.  Its kind of hard to deal with somebody who is not only stupid, but is proud of the fact that they are stupid.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" ― Isaac Asimov


That quote is my screensaver. Many people have been confused by it. Sssiiiggghhh
 
2013-10-14 12:53:09 PM  
www.bartcop.com
 
2013-10-14 12:56:05 PM  

Cataholic: Switzerland is the only other OECD country that spends more per pupil on education than we do.  And yet these are the results.


America may spend a lot more money but when that money goes to building stadia and fancy high tech busses for the sports teams... etc instead of the class room it doesn't help much.

Having attended school in both Europe and America I can honestly say Europe focuses a lot more on academics... in America the school revolves around the "foot"ball team and education is an annoying side effect of school.


Let's not forget homework. In Europe teachers teach. In America they grade homework and assign more homework so that your parent have to do the actual teaching.

American schools don't need more funding... they need to dump the sports as a primary focus... concentrate on education and get teachers to teach... not just be homework graders.
 
2013-10-14 12:56:43 PM  
The author is a dreaded lezbian or something.

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-10-14 12:57:19 PM  
Ignorance is Bliss
 
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