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(Deadspin)   How bad has the Oakland Raiders season been? How about 4th down and 48?   ( deadspin.com) divider line
    More: Fail, Oakland, Oakland Raiders seasons, first down, Terrelle Pryor  
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2013-10-14 08:59:25 AM  
Just punt, baby!
 
2013-10-14 09:06:02 AM  
With the game situation, I thought they should have punted on 3rd down to give them the maximum time to get the ball back. The odds of converting a 3rd and 35 or whatever have to be lower than forcing a 3 and out once KC got the ball back.
 
2013-10-14 09:08:33 AM  
Needs more Yakkity Sax
 
2013-10-14 09:27:36 AM  

ghall3: With the game situation, I thought they should have punted on 3rd down to give them the maximum time to get the ball back. The odds of converting a 3rd and 35 or whatever have to be lower than forcing a 3 and out once KC got the ball back.


I thin k you mean 2nd and 37. 3rd down was for 48
 
2013-10-14 09:58:11 AM  

Lost Thought 00: ghall3: With the game situation, I thought they should have punted on 3rd down to give them the maximum time to get the ball back. The odds of converting a 3rd and 35 or whatever have to be lower than forcing a 3 and out once KC got the ball back.

I thin k you mean 2nd and 37. 3rd down was for 48


Probably. Punt on 3rd and 48 then.

2nd and 37 is unlikely but not impossible since they could gain 15-20 yards to give them a shot at converting the 3rd down.
 
2013-10-14 10:19:47 AM  

ghall3: Lost Thought 00: ghall3: With the game situation, I thought they should have punted on 3rd down to give them the maximum time to get the ball back. The odds of converting a 3rd and 35 or whatever have to be lower than forcing a 3 and out once KC got the ball back.

I thin k you mean 2nd and 37. 3rd down was for 48

Probably. Punt on 3rd and 48 then.

2nd and 37 is unlikely but not impossible since they could gain 15-20 yards to give them a shot at converting the 3rd down.


At that point you're just hoping for a defensive penalty that has an automatic first down.
 
2013-10-14 10:32:22 AM  
Good Lord. The worst I'd did in Madden was 4th and 27.
 
2013-10-14 10:41:04 AM  
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2013-10-14 10:54:07 AM  
It's nothing personal Pryor.  Arrowhead does that to all Raiders qb's not named Rich Gannon.
 
2013-10-14 11:06:16 AM  
I was shocked they didn't run a draw on 3rd and 48. I just assumed that it was an NFL by-law that teams had to run a draw on anything greater than 3rd and 25.

Loving this Chiefs defense though, especially the coaching staff. Raiders were looking pretty good on those two drives they had at the end of the first/beginning of the second, Pryor was completing easy passes in space, found some running room, and after that it was just "OK young buck that's enough of that". You could see it on several plays, DJ or Tamba or whomever containing Pryor on the corner, open field between them but they stayed in in their position and kept him from breaking free until help arrived. You could tell the coaching staff had some discussions with the players on the sidelines, changed the philosophy somewhat, and it was just over for the Raiders after that.
 
2013-10-14 11:28:07 AM  
It's the worst I have seen for an NFL team. But Oakland's seasons have been bad for a decade or so now. Maybe my Steelers' victory will build momentum and they won't lose in the Coliseum again this year when they meet in two weeks.
 
2013-10-14 11:31:35 AM  

jayhawk88: I was shocked they didn't run a draw on 3rd and 48. I just assumed that it was an NFL by-law that teams had to run a draw on anything greater than 3rd and 25.


Not anymore - Dan Henning has been out of football for almost three years now.
 
2013-10-14 11:35:47 AM  

kdawg7736: It's the worst I have seen for an NFL team. But Oakland's seasons have been bad for a decade or so now. Maybe my Steelers' victory will build momentum and they won't lose in the Coliseum again this year when they meet in two weeks.


Redskins faced a third and 50 last year versus the Bengals, but it was on the last play of the game. They started the Series at the Cinci 19 down a touchdown with 30 seconds left. RG3 got sacked for -15 yards, then the Redskins got double penalties (false start + unsportsmanlike conduct) for another -25 yards, ending up throwing a hail mary from their own 41.
 
2013-10-14 11:59:22 AM  
Could be worse.  Eli doesn't even get to 4th down.
 
2013-10-14 12:02:46 PM  

Lost Thought 00: kdawg7736: It's the worst I have seen for an NFL team. But Oakland's seasons have been bad for a decade or so now. Maybe my Steelers' victory will build momentum and they won't lose in the Coliseum again this year when they meet in two weeks.

Redskins faced a third and 50 last year versus the Bengals, but it was on the last play of the game. They started the Series at the Cinci 19 down a touchdown with 30 seconds left. RG3 got sacked for -15 yards, then the Redskins got double penalties (false start + unsportsmanlike conduct) for another -25 yards, ending up throwing a hail mary from their own 41.


Lions had a 2nd and 65 in 2006.
 
2013-10-14 12:17:10 PM  
The Raiders are 2-4, with at least a promising young QB. It's not a great season, but it's not a trainwreck either (Jaguars, Bucs, Giants, Vikings) and better than most expected preseason.

/not a Raiders fan
 
2013-10-14 01:03:15 PM  

jayhawk88: I was shocked they didn't run a draw on 3rd and 48. I just assumed that it was an NFL by-law that teams had to run a draw on anything greater than 3rd and 25.

Loving this Chiefs defense though, especially the coaching staff. Raiders were looking pretty good on those two drives they had at the end of the first/beginning of the second, Pryor was completing easy passes in space, found some running room, and after that it was just "OK young buck that's enough of that". You could see it on several plays, DJ or Tamba or whomever containing Pryor on the corner, open field between them but they stayed in in their position and kept him from breaking free until help arrived. You could tell the coaching staff had some discussions with the players on the sidelines, changed the philosophy somewhat, and it was just over for the Raiders after that.


Taking nothing away from the Chief's play in the seconf half, I think the real death nell for Oakland was after losing their LT and center, who was already the 2nd stringer to begin with. After that Pryor had no chance vs a very good KC d-line. TP still relies on the center to set the blocking schemes so once the starter went down there was no chance to counteract the adjustments the KC staff made.

I like Pryor and he has played well beyond any expectation I had for him as a pro but it shows he still has a way to go. Either way it was a good win for the Chiefs and keeps them on pace with the Donks in the west.
 
2013-10-14 01:06:26 PM  

phimuskapsi: Lost Thought 00: kdawg7736: It's the worst I have seen for an NFL team. But Oakland's seasons have been bad for a decade or so now. Maybe my Steelers' victory will build momentum and they won't lose in the Coliseum again this year when they meet in two weeks.

Redskins faced a third and 50 last year versus the Bengals, but it was on the last play of the game. They started the Series at the Cinci 19 down a touchdown with 30 seconds left. RG3 got sacked for -15 yards, then the Redskins got double penalties (false start + unsportsmanlike conduct) for another -25 yards, ending up throwing a hail mary from their own 41.

Lions had a 2nd and 65 in 2006.


What the....?  How?????
 
2013-10-14 01:12:30 PM  

buckeyebrain: phimuskapsi: Lost Thought 00: kdawg7736: It's the worst I have seen for an NFL team. But Oakland's seasons have been bad for a decade or so now. Maybe my Steelers' victory will build momentum and they won't lose in the Coliseum again this year when they meet in two weeks.

Redskins faced a third and 50 last year versus the Bengals, but it was on the last play of the game. They started the Series at the Cinci 19 down a touchdown with 30 seconds left. RG3 got sacked for -15 yards, then the Redskins got double penalties (false start + unsportsmanlike conduct) for another -25 yards, ending up throwing a hail mary from their own 41.

Lions had a 2nd and 65 in 2006.

What the....?  How?????


Yeah, I'd really like to know the details of this.
 
2013-10-14 01:14:52 PM  

buckeyebrain: phimuskapsi: Lost Thought 00: kdawg7736: It's the worst I have seen for an NFL team. But Oakland's seasons have been bad for a decade or so now. Maybe my Steelers' victory will build momentum and they won't lose in the Coliseum again this year when they meet in two weeks.

Redskins faced a third and 50 last year versus the Bengals, but it was on the last play of the game. They started the Series at the Cinci 19 down a touchdown with 30 seconds left. RG3 got sacked for -15 yards, then the Redskins got double penalties (false start + unsportsmanlike conduct) for another -25 yards, ending up throwing a hail mary from their own 41.

Lions had a 2nd and 65 in 2006.

What the....?  How?????


They didn't. There is no official record of 2nd and 65 for any game for the lions in 2006.
 
2013-10-14 01:22:01 PM  

Lost Thought 00: They didn't. There is no official record of 2nd and 65 for any game for the lions in 2006.


Yep. The game that it is claimed to have come from (Lions@Bears, according to WikiAnswers) has, at most, a 4th-and-31:

1st and 10 at DET 46(4:35) J.Kitna sacked at DET 40 for -6 yards (A.Ogunleye).
2nd and 16 at DET 40(3:53) PENALTY on DET-D.Campbell, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at DET 40 - No Play.
2nd and 21 at DET 35(3:34) (Shotgun) J.Kitna pass to K.Jones to DET 45 for 10 yards (B.Urlacher, L.Briggs).
 PENALTY on DET-J.Backus, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DET 35 - No Play.
2nd and 31 at DET 25(3:02) S.Bryson right guard to DET 26 for 1 yard (L.Briggs).
3rd and 30 at DET 26(2:24) (Shotgun) J.Kitna pass to S.Bryson to DET 30 for 4 yards (B.Urlacher, L.Briggs).
4th and 26 at DET 30(1:43) (Punt formation) PENALTY on DET-M.Pollard, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at DET 30 - No Play.
4th and 31 at DET 25(1:22) N.Harris punts 47 yards to CHI 28, Center-D.Muhlbach, out of bounds.
 
2013-10-14 01:35:55 PM  
I remember this weekend some Raiders dolt being pissed off at Tony Dungy on Twitter for not giving the Raiders any credit....

Tony Dungy  @TonyDungy
"@osman_shams: @TonyDungy Your a fraud always hating on the @RAIDERS, keep your mouth shut." Raiders start winning, then we can prop them.
 
2013-10-14 01:37:01 PM  
lilbjorn : Could be worse. Eli doesn't even get to 4th down.

Yeah, but he's on a quest. Forty picks or bust!
 
2013-10-14 01:42:07 PM  

varmitydog: Yeah, but he's on a quest. Forty picks or bust!


At least break Peyton's family record of 28. Somehow Eli has never posted that many in a season. Peyton is 52 INTs ahead of him in his career, too (in 89 more starts)!
 
2013-10-14 01:42:34 PM  

Mentat: It's nothing personal Pryor.  Arrowhead does that to all Raiders qb's not named Rich Gannon.


...or Daunte Culpepper (2007)
...or JaMarcus Russell (2008 AND 2009)
...or Jason Campbell (2010)
...or Carson Palmer (2011 and 2012)

But other than all those guys, sure.
 
2013-10-14 02:16:07 PM  
the o-line sucked, don't blame Prior
 
2013-10-14 02:56:23 PM  
Honestly, that was not a reflection of the team as a whole. By and large, they are gelling into a pretty good team. But the O Line has been plagued by injuries. 2 to 3 new players each game. That has been the team's downfall, and exactly what led to 4th and 48. If they can solidify the O-line, protect Pryor, they have shown that they are a competent team, able to win games.
 
2013-10-14 06:40:26 PM  
I wonder what the record yardage required for a first down is. Google refers to a 4th and 63 in 1971 Cowboys vs Pats, but I can't find anything to verify that.

On a related note, I wonder what the longest first down achieved was.
 
rka
2013-10-14 07:59:53 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: The Raiders are 2-4, with at least a promising young QB. It's not a great season, but it's not a trainwreck either (Jaguars, Bucs, Giants, Vikings) and better than most expected preseason.


The Raiders have only seen .500 football twice in the last 11 years. Usually much, much worse. This year appears to be the same.

We don't speak of the Raiders having trainwreck seasons anymore. They have trainwreck decades.
 
2013-10-14 08:25:48 PM  
That's nothing. The Vikings had a 3rd and 54 a few years back (1999/2000 season, I believe?) They did a running play in the spirit of, "Hey, cut your losses." Leroy Hoard busted one out for 58 yards.

I believe it's the longest third down converted by a run.
 
2013-10-14 08:34:20 PM  

Mentat: It's nothing personal Pryor.  Arrowhead does that to all Raiders qb's not named Rich Gannon.


Or whoever has QB'd the Raiders over the past six years. The Raiders hadn't lost there since 2007 until yesterday.
 
2013-10-14 08:45:57 PM  

rka: SkittlesAreYum: The Raiders are 2-4, with at least a promising young QB. It's not a great season, but it's not a trainwreck either (Jaguars, Bucs, Giants, Vikings) and better than most expected preseason.

The Raiders have only seen .500 football twice in the last 11 years. Usually much, much worse. This year appears to be the same.

We don't speak of the Raiders having trainwreck seasons anymore. They have trainwreck decades.


Aww, a Broncos fan with a slanted version of the truth.  This really the only lost decade excluding their expansion years (and 60's expansion teams were teams were usually a joke).  And, c'mon JaOffTheMarcus beat you in Mile High to ruin your playoff chances...

That said at least we can agree the Chiefs will always screw it up.
 
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