vpb: There is zero chance of a default. I don't think he would do in until the last minute, but I am sure Obama will disregard the debt ceiling if it comes to that.A default would violate the 14th amendment and if the minute the debt ceiling makes that inveitable it becomes unconstitutional.
Testiclaw: DON'T STAND SO CLOSE TO MD
Slaxl: Misconduc: Sorry after being a democrat since Clinton - I side with the GOP over Obamacare. Honestly I could give a crap about how bad Obama has been as president, but Obamacare really is something to fight against - forcing working people to pay for medical they cannot afford or need.It's no longer about obamacare. It's your economic future. You cannot possibly think destroying your economy and angering the entire world is worth getting rid of Obamacare, can you?
dittybopper: China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Germany and Singapore: Raise the debt ceiling NOW, a default by the United States would have a profound effect on our economies.So, you're saying that there would be some positive effects, then.
Dusk-You-n-Me: Joe Blowme: no, its not.Hard to know who to believe here. The IG of the Treasury or Some Guy On The Internet Because He Says So. Tough call.
Joe Blowme: no, its not.
Bit'O'Gristle: I'm no economist, but isn't our dollar value based and backed up by the gold in fort knox? Or am i mistaken. Anyone?
itsaidwhat: Obama derpityderpityderp.
way south: If the world really wanted to see a solution then they'd have Putin call the white house and negotiate a settlement. They'd drag both party leaders into a room at the UN and give them a stern talking to.This chiding is just so other leaders can score points of their own. They couldn't care less if we default.
way south: So, yes, there might be a silver lining to this. Famines and wars aside.
Weaver95: DubtodaIll: I'm for default not because I think it will do any immediate good but that it will cause global reckoning. Something needs to happen to jolt this nation out of the decades long cycle of continuing to spend more money than we have and creating a level of debt that is difficult to fathom. Sure, things have worked fine under this system for a while, but the longer we attempt this mode of economics the worse the situation becomes. I would rather see we work to fix our situation by normal means however I think that's far more impossible than the "impossibility" of the US defaulting on its full credit. This Congress is so dysfunctional that it really brings in to question the validity of the system. And maybe by some stroke of luck that dysfunction will force a situation where we're actually forced to face the consequences of the decisions that have been made in the past. I really don't know where I was going with any of this, but while a default would be an catastrophic situation, it may be what needs to happen now to ensure a survivable future.The sting survive and the weak perish, is that it?
Misconduc: Sorry after being a democrat since Clinton - I side with the GOP over Obamacare. Honestly I could give a crap about how bad Obama has been as president, but Obamacare really is something to fight against - forcing working people to pay for medical they cannot afford or need.
DubtodaIll: I'm for default not because I think it will do any immediate good but that it will cause global reckoning. Something needs to happen to jolt this nation out of the decades long cycle of continuing to spend more money than we have and creating a level of debt that is difficult to fathom. Sure, things have worked fine under this system for a while, but the longer we attempt this mode of economics the worse the situation becomes.
Director_Mr: If you are blaming one side any more than the other you aren't paying attention.
PunGent: MugzyBrown: Failing to lift the debt ceiling does not mean we default unless the president forces us to.Yes, because he keeps the national checkbook in his desk in the White House...
itsaidwhat: VendorXeno: itsaidwhat: Obama and his libtard sycophants are equally to blame by representing the do-nothing leaches of society.Close to 90% of the people receiving some kind of federal assistance fall into the categories of working poor, retired or disabled, including veterans and the elderly, people who put in their time. To call them do-nothing leaches [sic] is one of the lowest! most insulting and disgusting lies a person can spread about their fellow citizens. When itsaidwhat employs this lie it demonstrates him to be a dishonest, stupid, hateful human being, one of the worst of us. This is the face of the right wing now, this ignorant malice and selfish dishonesty.Yes. I work for a living. That makes me ignorant, malicious, selfish and dishonest.I am rubber, you are glue...
TyrantII: Which would kick of a host of constitutional litigation and doubt, as well as see the GOP finally having a thinly veiled reason to impeach him at the same time.
RickN99: SpectroBoy: The Dem's position is "Pass a clean bill to prevent the impending disaster"The GOP position is "No funding until we get our other demands met too."Dems: Pass a clean bill and fund the entire government.Obama: We won't negotiate with the GOP about government funding until the GOP funds the entire government.GOP: We don't want to fund the entire government; THAT'S the issue.GOP: We've passed bills to fund some parts of the government that we don't have an issue with. Let's negotiate about the other parts.Dems: Nope. Meet 100% of our funding demands or nothing gets funded.Obama: Gonna veto them if they get to me. Fund the entire government; then we'll negotiate about the funding.GOP: We don't want to fund the entire government; THAT'S the issue.
itsaidwhat: Obama and his libtard sycophants are equally to blame by representing the do-nothing leaches of society.I laughed when POTUS nazi'd the national parks and bank rolled his NPR media. What a joke to all of us that work for a living and don't have the time to waste gawking at a tree or a giant hole in the ground. And to the veterans regarding closed memorials - I don't need to stare at a monolith to be reminded of their sacrifice - I see that in everything that I am free and able to enjoy all around me. I and my freedom are not victim to any so-called shutdown.When a "government shutdown" still leaves 83% of the (bottom feeding) public servants at work, then we have real problem with entitlements at the top and the bottom of society.And to the foreigners afraid of our debt ceiling, you are welcome - to the financial shelter and stability our American enterprise has afforded you under your own years of tribunal unrest. Suck it up.
Wasteland: MilesTeg: So why even have a debt ceiling if it is not going to be observed?BTW Senator Obama voted not to increase it in 2006 when exact same situation came up.No hypocrisy like liberal hypocrisy.No ignorance like both-sides-are-bad ignorance.Yeah, that was a hell of a long shutdown and near-default we had back in '06, wasn't it? The world economy was just all a-flutter.
itsaidwhat: Obama and his libtard sycophants are equally to blame by representing the do-nothing leaches of society.
ghare: The GOP WANTS this to happen. It's what they have planned for, for years. This is what they want.
theorellior: NewportBarGuy: There is no other reserve currency.Said the British seventy years ago.
NewportBarGuy: There is no other reserve currency.We'll just have a much weaker one thanks to Congressional Republicans.
AeAe: Nabb1: This is just insane.The farking GOP, man. Bunch of assholes.
theorellior: Well, uh, manifest destiny and American exceptionalism and See, libulardos, Real Americans know how to deal with uppity foreigners. Because reasons. And Jesus.
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