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gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-14 02:34:29 PM  

FlashHarry: has anyone bought MatthewBarnettIsARapist.com?


Careful sparky. Libel/slander territory It may be our opinion here but it is unproven as the law goes.
So maybe WeThinkMatthewBarnettIsARapist.com is OK.
But to put it forth as known truth places yourself in dodgy position.
 
2013-10-14 02:42:28 PM  
I hope this ends like Unforgiven.
 
2013-10-14 02:42:59 PM  

ferretman: GoldSpider: ferretman: if any drunk high-school male has sex with a drunk high-school female it's rape?

Technically, yes.

When said high-school female is blackout semi-conscious drunk, then it's quite literally rape.

And by "blackout semi-conscious" I don't mean "asking for it".  In case you have a hard time making that distinction.

So I guess it works the other way as well? Maybe she raped the boy then? After-all they were both drunk...she might of started blowing him and it progressed from there.


A blowjob is not permission to get rapey.
 
2013-10-14 02:53:32 PM  

someonelse: Rarely do people excuse or rationalize a thief's thievery on account of the victim leaving their window unlocked.


always remember to lock your footlocker when hiding a jelly donut
 
2013-10-14 03:01:16 PM  

gerbilpox: skozlaw: Small, rural towns are 5% Aunt Bee and 95% Firefly clan.

Cool! I loved Firefly!

Small town life must be filled with serenity.


"You can't take the rape from me"
 
2013-10-14 03:04:55 PM  

gja: FlashHarry: has anyone bought MatthewBarnettIsARapist.com?

Careful sparky. Libel/slander territory It may be our opinion here but it is unproven as the law goes.
So maybe WeThinkMatthewBarnettIsARapist.com is OK.
But to put it forth as known truth places yourself in dodgy position.


We're just asking questions!  Questions like, why did Matthew Barnett confess to raping a 14 year old girl and dumping her outside in freezing weather?
 
2013-10-14 03:09:08 PM  
Matthew Barnett, confessed rapist?
 
2013-10-14 03:11:53 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: gja: FlashHarry: has anyone bought MatthewBarnettIsARapist.com?

Careful sparky. Libel/slander territory It may be our opinion here but it is unproven as the law goes.
So maybe WeThinkMatthewBarnettIsARapist.com is OK.
But to put it forth as known truth places yourself in dodgy position.

We're just asking questions!  Questions like, why did Matthew Barnett confess to raping a 14 year old girl and dumping her outside in freezing weather?


I heard he raped and murdered a girl in 1990, too.

/don't think too hard about that one though
 
2013-10-14 03:16:05 PM  

Chinchillazilla: Marcus Aurelius: gja: FlashHarry: has anyone bought MatthewBarnettIsARapist.com?

Careful sparky. Libel/slander territory It may be our opinion here but it is unproven as the law goes.
So maybe WeThinkMatthewBarnettIsARapist.com is OK.
But to put it forth as known truth places yourself in dodgy position.

We're just asking questions!  Questions like, why did Matthew Barnett confess to raping a 14 year old girl and dumping her outside in freezing weather?

I heard he raped and murdered a girl in 1990, too.

/don't think too hard about that one though




He told me the other day about pinning two murders on some orange juice fellow
 
2013-10-14 03:21:19 PM  
The Jews had something... eye for an eye. Start torching the neighbors homes. Guilt by association seems to be a themes in this country as well so no worries about getting the wrong one either.
 
2013-10-14 03:21:26 PM  
We need the Death Penalty for school sports programs that hide their criminals because FOOTBALL (or "Insert Popular Program here".

Maybe having 20 years of not ONE single athletics program allowed to even exist, much less have 7-0 seasons, will help stop crap like this where they protect a criminal for the sake of keeping the winning season.

I'm surprised the surrounding schools don't use this as a rallying cry -- to hell with good sportsmanship, I'd be screaming "MaryVille RAPISTS!" from the bleachers if my HS was up against them.
 
2013-10-14 03:22:16 PM  

kethares: ferretman: GoldSpider: ferretman: if any drunk high-school male has sex with a drunk high-school female it's rape?

Technically, yes.

When said high-school female is blackout semi-conscious drunk, then it's quite literally rape.

And by "blackout semi-conscious" I don't mean "asking for it".  In case you have a hard time making that distinction.

So I guess it works the other way as well? Maybe she raped the boy then? After-all they were both drunk...she might of started blowing him and it progressed from there.

A blowjob is not permission to get rapey.


It doesn't scream chaste either.


/maybe a mumble?
 
2013-10-14 03:24:00 PM  

elchupacabra: I'm surprised the surrounding schools don't use this as a rallying cry -- to hell with good sportsmanship, I'd be screaming "MaryVille RAPISTS!" from the bleachers if my HS was up against them.


BUNCH OF RAPISTS!
*clap clap clapclapclap*
BUNCH OF RAPISTS!
*clap clap clapclapclap*
 
2013-10-14 03:34:37 PM  

Zik-Zak: elchupacabra: I'm surprised the surrounding schools don't use this as a rallying cry -- to hell with good sportsmanship, I'd be screaming "MaryVille RAPISTS!" from the bleachers if my HS was up against them.

BUNCH OF RAPISTS!
*clap clap clapclapclap*
BUNCH OF RAPISTS!
*clap clap clapclapclap*


THIS.  Seriously, I can't see competing townships wanting to play against a team that coddles it's criminal kids, especially if that means their kids are losing to a known rapist.  Are people outside this not crying foul?
 
2013-10-14 03:41:00 PM  
I just got an email from Yelp that they were deleting my posting because it didn't contain any information about the restaurant that people would find helpful.

Apparently knowing that a child rapist works at a family restaurant isn't important to Yelp.
 
2013-10-14 03:47:41 PM  

Callous: I just got an email from Yelp that they were deleting my posting because it didn't contain any information about the restaurant that people would find helpful.

Apparently knowing that a child rapist works at a family restaurant isn't important to Yelp.


They're probably just trying to cover their asses.
 
2013-10-14 03:49:14 PM  

Callous: I just got an email from Yelp that they were deleting my posting because it didn't contain any information about the restaurant that people would find helpful.

Apparently knowing that a child rapist works at a family restaurant isn't important to Yelp.


I suspect they don't want to be held liable for an Internet "Lynching".

Still, it is a valid question as to whether calls for boycott are valid on something like Yelp.  Maybe if it said, "accused child rapist works here, charges were dropped under questionable circumstances and township has been shown to protect accused only due to their athletic value."
 
2013-10-14 03:53:19 PM  

Chinchillazilla: I heard he raped and murdered a girl in 1990, too


That's a pretty neat trick for someone that wasn't even born until 1993 or so.
 
2013-10-14 03:54:12 PM  

Callous: I just got an email from Yelp that they were deleting my posting because it didn't contain any information about the restaurant that people would find helpful.

Apparently knowing that a child rapist works at a family restaurant isn't important to Yelp.


We really should ask Yelp why that isn't pertinent.
 
2013-10-14 04:00:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Callous: I just got an email from Yelp that they were deleting my posting because it didn't contain any information about the restaurant that people would find helpful.

Apparently knowing that a child rapist works at a family restaurant isn't important to Yelp.

We really should ask Yelp why that isn't pertinent.


Problem is, until a court of law finds that he is, in fact, a child rapist, he's not.
 
2013-10-14 04:07:26 PM  
I just want to point out the story two lines up about chatroom sting entrapment as counterpoint to this one, and present the two as proof of how irrevocably farked our society has become at handling crimes of underage and/or non-consensual sex.
 
2013-10-14 04:16:06 PM  
I dunno. Back when the mongols ruled the Steppe, sweeping in and obliterating the populations of entire regions from The great wall to the eastern Roman Empire, we didn't really have these problems.
 
2013-10-14 04:18:05 PM  

Marine1: Problem is, until a court of law finds that he is, in fact, a child rapist, he's not.


He wasn't charged with the crime of child-raping, that he admitted to doing.
Yet he did rape a child, so technically speaking, he is a child rapist, just not a convicted one.
 
2013-10-14 04:18:16 PM  

BohemianGraham: LavenderWolf: The My Little Pony Killer: You can help women avoid predators by actively refusing to raise predators. They don't come from a vacuum. You idiots are hyperfocused on what the woman could have done wrong in the situation, when all she did was exist. TEACH YOUR BOYS TO RESPECT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. Not a difficult concept, and it shouldn't be met with jackholes demanding that we don't forget the girls in all this. We haven't forgotten the girls, we just choose to acknowledge that the boys (and their parents, and community) have had THEIR own roles in all this as well.

Misandrist.

Nobody is telling boys it's okay to rape. The message is LOUD AND CLEAR that rape is wrong.

Yeah, that article clearly articulates that the community thinks rape is 100% wrong, what with the sherriff stating the family had issues and is cray-cray, the lawyer for the defense just stating this is typical teenage behaviour, and the employer of the victim's mother firing her because she's tied to the family of the accused.

Not all men are guilty of thinking this way, but there are certainly a hell of a lot of people who treat cases such as this as, "boys just being boys," "teenagers being teenagers," and so on and so forth. This attitude was highly evident in the Rehtaeh Parsons case in Nova Scotia as well, where it took the internet to get on the former NDP government's ass for them to do something. The same province also recently had an issue where a university was chanting a pro-statutory rape chant, and people responded, "oh, that's just typical university behaviour, leave the poor kids alone!" And yes, the former Premier was again one of those people with that attitude.

There are plenty of people in society who fail to comprehend simple messages such as this, because they aren't taught it. It's not misandric to teach boys not to rape.


No, it's misandric to imply that we're teaching them that it's okay.

Never in my life has anyone even gone so far as to suggest that rape is okay. You phrase it in a deliberately provocative way. Like "pff, of course, because men think rape is okay."

We don't. We do teach boys that rape is wrong. To suggest to the contrary is to be misandric.

Go around and tell people it's wrong; nobody will argue with you on that one. Of course it's wrong. But let's not start blaming men as though we by and large think it's okay and teach our children the same. Because that's inflammatory and not helping a goddamn thing.
 
2013-10-14 04:19:36 PM  

Marine1: Problem is, until a court of law finds that he is, in fact, a child rapist, he's not.


Let's go to the videotape, shall we?
Oh, which one?
the tape of him raping her or his taped confession?
 
2013-10-14 04:24:01 PM  
Crewmannumber6: back when the mongols ruled the Steppe, sweeping in and obliterating the populations of entire regions from The great wall to the eastern Roman Empire, we didn't really have these problems.

I don't know. I bet when a skilled Mongol horseman had his way with an underage villager before dashing her brains out against a rock for his entertainment, the rest of the horde looked the other way and blamed the victim rather than risk losing the state championship. Especially if his grandfather was a khan.
 
2013-10-14 04:26:28 PM  

someonelse: LavenderWolf: The My Little Pony Killer: You can help women avoid predators by actively refusing to raise predators. They don't come from a vacuum. You idiots are hyperfocused on what the woman could have done wrong in the situation, when all she did was exist. TEACH YOUR BOYS TO RESPECT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. Not a difficult concept, and it shouldn't be met with jackholes demanding that we don't forget the girls in all this. We haven't forgotten the girls, we just choose to acknowledge that the boys (and their parents, and community) have had THEIR own roles in all this as well.

Misandrist.

Nobody is telling boys it's okay to rape. The message is LOUD AND CLEAR that rape is wrong.

Not in Maryville.

And realistically, the message is not always loud and clear. Rarely do people excuse or rationalize a thief's thievery on account of the victim leaving their window unlocked.


I don't think anybody excuses it or rationalizes it. You're confusing "I think you may have done something risky which left you open to assault" with "I think you did something risky, therefore you deserved it."

I don't personally agree with people who make such statements, I'm just clarifying for you their intent. They just don't want to believe the world is as risky as it really is for girls; they don't want to believe that the vast majority of rape victims couldn't have done anything to prevent it, as they'd rather believe the world is more black and white. In their eyes, girls get raped only in dangerous situations (e.g. co-ed drinking in seedy parts of town), while in reality, girls get raped for such things as going to the store, or being in the same family as a rapist/potential rapist. It's sad, because their intent isn't nearly as misandric as you interpret, just absurdly naive.
 
2013-10-14 04:26:28 PM  
There's also this:
http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/spec01/member01/mem004.htm

Perhaps he should be encouraged, to encourage his home town to resume the investigation? I SURE he doesn't support rape.
 
2013-10-14 04:28:53 PM  

Son of Thunder: The My Little Pony Killer: ColSanders: However, bad decisions on the girls' part should be pointed out and used as a teaching moment for young girlsboys.

Girls don't need to be taught to be not raped. Boys need to be taught to not rape. Don't let boys rape, period.

Blaming the victim only goes down a rabbit hole that nobody in this country wants to go down. Do YOU want women to have to cover themselves head-to-toe whenever they leave the house? Because that is where your idea leads to.

You make a good point.  I'm thinking about this as the father of a son and two daughters.  What you suggest covers what I will (all this stuff is future tense because none of my kids are older than 4) teach my son.  Don't.  Not ever.  No excuses, rationalizations, or attempts at mitigation.  But what do I teach my daughters?  We live in a world in which we sadly have to take measures to protect ourselves against being victimized.  It is unfortunate reality, not my moral culpability, that makes me lock my car and avoid certain neighborhoods after dark.  When girls are given rape whistles or pepper spray or whatever else, that doesn't imply any moral fault.  Conflating the two is Mid_mo_mad_man's error.  I will teach my daughters to take practical steps to protect themselves, not because they bear any responsibility, but because this is the only world we've got, and we've got to live in it.  I've been doing martial arts for almost twenty years now, and as soon as they're old enough, I will teach my children.  No, I don't want women to have to know how to remove the eyeballs of a man who tries something, but we do live in a world in which women have to know how to remove the eyeballs of a man who tries something.


And the worst/best part is - we are all so damn vulnerable ;)

Ah but that look of surprise on their face *not snark*
 
2013-10-14 04:29:50 PM  

LavenderWolf: BohemianGraham: LavenderWolf: The My Little Pony Killer: You can help women avoid predators by actively refusing to raise predators. They don't come from a vacuum. You idiots are hyperfocused on what the woman could have done wrong in the situation, when all she did was exist. TEACH YOUR BOYS TO RESPECT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. Not a difficult concept, and it shouldn't be met with jackholes demanding that we don't forget the girls in all this. We haven't forgotten the girls, we just choose to acknowledge that the boys (and their parents, and community) have had THEIR own roles in all this as well.

Misandrist.

Nobody is telling boys it's okay to rape. The message is LOUD AND CLEAR that rape is wrong.

Yeah, that article clearly articulates that the community thinks rape is 100% wrong, what with the sherriff stating the family had issues and is cray-cray, the lawyer for the defense just stating this is typical teenage behaviour, and the employer of the victim's mother firing her because she's tied to the family of the accused.

Not all men are guilty of thinking this way, but there are certainly a hell of a lot of people who treat cases such as this as, "boys just being boys," "teenagers being teenagers," and so on and so forth. This attitude was highly evident in the Rehtaeh Parsons case in Nova Scotia as well, where it took the internet to get on the former NDP government's ass for them to do something. The same province also recently had an issue where a university was chanting a pro-statutory rape chant, and people responded, "oh, that's just typical university behaviour, leave the poor kids alone!" And yes, the former Premier was again one of those people with that attitude.

There are plenty of people in society who fail to comprehend simple messages such as this, because they aren't taught it. It's not misandric to teach boys not to rape.

No, it's misandric to imply that we're teaching them that it's okay.

Never in my life has anyone even gone so far as to sugge ...


Perhaps you personally do not teach the "rape is okay" mantra to young boys, but they sure are exposed to that attitude by popular culture:

http://www.theindividualistfeminist.com/home/2013/5/4/rick-ross-lil- wa yne-and-the-perpetuation-of-rape-culture-in.html

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2013/04/chief-keef-rape-culture-hip-h op /
 
2013-10-14 04:31:02 PM  

LavenderWolf: BohemianGraham: LavenderWolf: The My Little Pony Killer: You can help women avoid predators by actively refusing to raise predators. They don't come from a vacuum. You idiots are hyperfocused on what the woman could have done wrong in the situation, when all she did was exist. TEACH YOUR BOYS TO RESPECT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. Not a difficult concept, and it shouldn't be met with jackholes demanding that we don't forget the girls in all this. We haven't forgotten the girls, we just choose to acknowledge that the boys (and their parents, and community) have had THEIR own roles in all this as well.

Misandrist.

Nobody is telling boys it's okay to rape. The message is LOUD AND CLEAR that rape is wrong.

Yeah, that article clearly articulates that the community thinks rape is 100% wrong, what with the sherriff stating the family had issues and is cray-cray, the lawyer for the defense just stating this is typical teenage behaviour, and the employer of the victim's mother firing her because she's tied to the family of the accused.

Not all men are guilty of thinking this way, but there are certainly a hell of a lot of people who treat cases such as this as, "boys just being boys," "teenagers being teenagers," and so on and so forth. This attitude was highly evident in the Rehtaeh Parsons case in Nova Scotia as well, where it took the internet to get on the former NDP government's ass for them to do something. The same province also recently had an issue where a university was chanting a pro-statutory rape chant, and people responded, "oh, that's just typical university behaviour, leave the poor kids alone!" And yes, the former Premier was again one of those people with that attitude.

There are plenty of people in society who fail to comprehend simple messages such as this, because they aren't taught it. It's not misandric to teach boys not to rape.

No, it's misandric to imply that we're teaching them that it's okay.

Never in my life has anyone even gone so far as to sugge ...

I dont think anyone raises their kids saying "yay rape", but my parents never once had a conversation about rape with me. They barely gave me the sex talk. Granted I'm a woman but do you think every boy is sat down and gently told "if a girl is too drunk having sex with her is wrong and illegal" or "even if the girl acts like she means yes, no means no" or "you cant bone anyone under [insert local age of consent]" or "a woman can change her mind even in the middle of sex"? Young men, especially sexually frustrated and undersexed ones, may not inherently believe all of those things no matter how pure their original intentions.

Considering how ackward the sex talk can be and the knowledge that several of my male (and female) friends never got a sex talk, I'm skeptical that all young men get the anti-rape lecture. That doesnt mean I believe parents are pro rape or that undereducated men are prone to rape. However, anyone pushing rape prevention education to young women ought to be open to similar education for men.
 
2013-10-14 04:33:18 PM  

ReverendJasen: Marine1: Problem is, until a court of law finds that he is, in fact, a child rapist, he's not.

He wasn't charged with the crime of child-raping, that he admitted to doing.
Yet he did rape a child, so technically speaking, he is a child rapist, just not a convicted one.


vudukungfu: Marine1: Problem is, until a court of law finds that he is, in fact, a child rapist, he's not.

Let's go to the videotape, shall we?
Oh, which one?
the tape of him raping her or his taped confession?


Look, I think he's a rapist, too. Problem is, until you have the ultimate word on this sort of thing (that is, a conviction), you present him with the opportunity, no matter how small, to successfully sue for libel or slander for calling him that. The one thing that would make this whole mess worse is if this proverbial douche nozzle on the water bottle of humanity found a way to profit off of it. He's got a politician in the family; grand dad probably has a few lawyers in the family who owe him a favor. They'd  love if Yelp or some other company published an account explicitly calling him a rapist.
 
2013-10-14 04:34:50 PM  
Look, Rape once, and get your dick chopped off.
It's a fairly good deterrent.
 
2013-10-14 04:36:57 PM  

LavenderWolf: BohemianGraham: LavenderWolf: The My Little Pony Killer: You can help women avoid predators by actively refusing to raise predators. They don't come from a vacuum. You idiots are hyperfocused on what the woman could have done wrong in the situation, when all she did was exist. TEACH YOUR BOYS TO RESPECT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. Not a difficult concept, and it shouldn't be met with jackholes demanding that we don't forget the girls in all this. We haven't forgotten the girls, we just choose to acknowledge that the boys (and their parents, and community) have had THEIR own roles in all this as well.

Misandrist.

Nobody is telling boys it's okay to rape. The message is LOUD AND CLEAR that rape is wrong.

Yeah, that article clearly articulates that the community thinks rape is 100% wrong, what with the sherriff stating the family had issues and is cray-cray, the lawyer for the defense just stating this is typical teenage behaviour, and the employer of the victim's mother firing her because she's tied to the family of the accused.

Not all men are guilty of thinking this way, but there are certainly a hell of a lot of people who treat cases such as this as, "boys just being boys," "teenagers being teenagers," and so on and so forth. This attitude was highly evident in the Rehtaeh Parsons case in Nova Scotia as well, where it took the internet to get on the former NDP government's ass for them to do something. The same province also recently had an issue where a university was chanting a pro-statutory rape chant, and people responded, "oh, that's just typical university behaviour, leave the poor kids alone!" And yes, the former Premier was again one of those people with that attitude.

There are plenty of people in society who fail to comprehend simple messages such as this, because they aren't taught it. It's not misandric to teach boys not to rape.

No, it's misandric to imply that we're teaching them that it's okay.

Never in my life has anyone even gone so far as to sugge ...


Methinks you missed the point. By brushing rape accusations off as "boys will be boys," and "they're just being teens," and holding the idea that "she was drinking and dressed provocatively, she was asking for it," is telling boys that they can get away with rape, and blames the victim. I'm also not solely blaming men on this, as there are a lot of women who believe this too.

Therefore, it's not misandric to teach people to treat others with respec. We're always teaching girls to avoid getting drunk and not to dress a certain way, why not teach boys that if they see a girl who is clearly intoxicated, that perhaps they should take her home and put her to bed, rather than have sex with her? Why do we still have this double standard that men can behave a certain, while women seemed to be villified for the same behaviour? Men can dress/look/act in certain ways, but if a woman does the same things, she's automatically labelled as a slut/whore.

/double standards apply to men too, such as only sissies, and "teh gheys" are raped, a real man would never let that happen
//society is full of bullshiat
 
2013-10-14 04:41:43 PM  

JonnyG: vudukungfu: And all I had to do was Google "Matthew Barnett, rapist "

If there was ever a good time for hash tags on Facebook and Twitter, it's for stuff like this. Also, millions of Google searches like yours wouldn't hurt either.

#matthewbarnettrapist


There seems to be a #JusticeforDaisy hashtag and someone woke up Anonymous
 
2013-10-14 04:44:08 PM  

vudukungfu: Look, Rape once, and get your dick chopped off.
It's a fairly good deterrent.


... And a damn good motivator for women out for revenge.  Bad Idea.
 
2013-10-14 04:45:31 PM  

medius: Crewmannumber6: back when the mongols ruled the Steppe, sweeping in and obliterating the populations of entire regions from The great wall to the eastern Roman Empire, we didn't really have these problems.

I don't know. I bet when a skilled Mongol horseman had his way with an underage villager before dashing her brains out against a rock for his entertainment, the rest of the horde looked the other way and blamed the victim rather than risk losing the state championship. Especially if his grandfather was a khan.


I'm not saying mongol hordes didn't rape, on the contrary: they raped the shiat out of everyone. I'm just saying it didn't seem to be a problem.
 
2013-10-14 04:48:21 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: JonnyG: vudukungfu: And all I had to do was Google "Matthew Barnett, rapist "

If there was ever a good time for hash tags on Facebook and Twitter, it's for stuff like this. Also, millions of Google searches like yours wouldn't hurt either.

#matthewbarnettrapist

There seems to be a #JusticeforDaisy hashtag and someone woke up Anonymous


Can Anonymous get the Football Program eliminated at that HS?  That would be a more powerful message to small towns out there that they coddle such freaks at their own risk.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-14 04:52:05 PM  

elysive: do you think every boy is sat down and gently told "if a girl is too drunk having sex with her is wrong and illegal" or "even if the girl acts like she means yes, no means no" or "you cant bone anyone under [insert local age of consent]" or "a woman can change her mind even in the middle of sex"?


If not, the parents are at fault for doing a SHIAT job.
My father spelled it out in clear an concise terms. You are either a gentleman or you are NOT.
A gentleman does not EVER force himself upon a woman, or lady, if you prefer.

He made it clear if I EVER did such a thing I would need to at least find somewhere new to live, and maybe even choose a new last name since that was his to give me, I did not own it outright. Also, he likely would have kicked my ass up and down the avenue.

And this 'boys will be boys' BS was never a thing in my house. Neither was 'they're just being kids/teens'.
Don't generalize and lump every male of the population together and claim we are all fundamentally flawed to a degree where this issue is concerned.
It offends the many of us who know better and behave better.

BohemianGraham: We're always teaching girls to avoid getting drunk and not to dress a certain way, why not teach boys that if they see a girl who is clearly intoxicated, that perhaps they should take her home and put her to bed, rather than have sex with her?

Many of us WERE raised that way. FTR.

Also
BohemianGraham: /double standards apply to men too, such as only sissies, and "teh gheys" are raped dont like to fight
/dealt with that growing up
 
2013-10-14 04:54:30 PM  
girlienerd:

So you found a sexist rapper with sexist lyrics. I agree that shiat is bad, but really, that's your example of "teaching boys to rape" ? I'd bet $50 that album has a warning for parents not to buy it for their kids.

Go ask men at random; "Is rape always wrong?" and you'll get an overwhelming answer of "Yes, rape is always wrong." I'm tired of hearing that we're "teaching our boys to rape". We're not. You're being extremely sexist by saying that. The vast, vast, vast majority of western culture is overwhelmingly anti-rape.

This hasn't even touched on how funny society seems to think raping men is. PMITA prison, for example?

/Seriously, can it with the "we're teaching our boys to rape" schtick. It is NOT going to help anything.
//Find an example of rape in a movie; it's either extremely negative, or the victim is a guy.
 
2013-10-14 04:55:29 PM  

Fano: I hope this ends like Unforgiven.


I don't deserve this...to die like this...I was burning down houses!
 
2013-10-14 04:57:37 PM  

LavenderWolf: girlienerd:

So you found a sexist rapper with sexist lyrics. I agree that shiat is bad, but really, that's your example of "teaching boys to rape" ? I'd bet $50 that album has a warning for parents not to buy it for their kids.

Go ask men at random; "Is rape always wrong?" and you'll get an overwhelming answer of "Yes, rape is always wrong."

...

Or you've identified men who need immediate and repeated cockpunching.
 
2013-10-14 04:57:52 PM  
BohemianGraham:

Methinks YOU missed the point.

Who the hell brushes off rape as "boys will be boys" ? Reactions from entire towns like this happen because someone well-liked did something bad, and people don't want to believe it. It's not out of a "well, rape isn't that big of a deal" mentality. Hell, ask the people harassing this family if rape is wrong, even they will tell you it is; they're just stupid people who bet on the wrong horse and don't want to back down.
 
2013-10-14 04:58:29 PM  

elchupacabra: LavenderWolf: girlienerd:

So you found a sexist rapper with sexist lyrics. I agree that shiat is bad, but really, that's your example of "teaching boys to rape" ? I'd bet $50 that album has a warning for parents not to buy it for their kids.

Go ask men at random; "Is rape always wrong?" and you'll get an overwhelming answer of "Yes, rape is always wrong."

... Or you've identified men who need immediate and repeated cockpunching.


Agreed.
 
2013-10-14 04:58:55 PM  

gja: OnlyM3: vudukungfu


Football player with a Republican politician daddy?
I'm sure he has an alibi.
Only republicans with rich fathers get away with felonies
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ORLY?
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/know how i know you dont know what youre talking about?


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2013-10-14 04:59:12 PM  

elchupacabra: GreatGlavinsGhost: JonnyG: vudukungfu: And all I had to do was Google "Matthew Barnett, rapist "

If there was ever a good time for hash tags on Facebook and Twitter, it's for stuff like this. Also, millions of Google searches like yours wouldn't hurt either.

#matthewbarnettrapist

There seems to be a #JusticeforDaisy hashtag and someone woke up Anonymous

Can Anonymous get the Football Program eliminated at that HS?  That would be a more powerful message to small towns out there that they coddle such freaks at their own risk.


You'd have better luck trying to get the boys charged again. 

There's two things to like about towns like Maryville: the football programs an the road out of town.
 
2013-10-14 04:59:22 PM  
Having lived in a similar sized Missouri "community" for the longest 8 years of my life, this doesn't surprise me one bit. I moved 6000 miles, to get away from there, and vowed to never go back, other than to visit family.
Things like that remind me of why I should stay firmly committed to that promise.
 
2013-10-14 04:59:40 PM  

gja: elysive: do you think every boy is sat down and gently told "if a girl is too drunk having sex with her is wrong and illegal" or "even if the girl acts like she means yes, no means no" or "you cant bone anyone under [insert local age of consent]" or "a woman can change her mind even in the middle of sex"?

If not, the parents are at fault for doing a SHIAT job.
My father spelled it out in clear an concise terms. You are either a gentleman or you are NOT.
A gentleman does not EVER force himself upon a woman, or lady, if you prefer.

He made it clear if I EVER did such a thing I would need to at least find somewhere new to live, and maybe even choose a new last name since that was his to give me, I did not own it outright. Also, he likely would have kicked my ass up and down the avenue.

And this 'boys will be boys' BS was never a thing in my house. Neither was 'they're just being kids/teens'.
Don't generalize and lump every male of the population together and claim we are all fundamentally flawed to a degree where this issue is concerned.
It offends the many of us who know better and behave better.

BohemianGraham: We're always teaching girls to avoid getting drunk and not to dress a certain way, why not teach boys that if they see a girl who is clearly intoxicated, that perhaps they should take her home and put her to bed, rather than have sex with her?
Many of us WERE raised that way. FTR.

Also
BohemianGraham: /double standards apply to men too, such as only sissies, and "teh gheys" are raped dont like to fight
/dealt with that growing up


Well aware that it's not the whole population, but a fairly large chunk of the population does subscribe to this mindset, and there are a lot of kids who aren't taught this. Plus, when you have elected officials and people in positions of authority who believe this, it does send a negative message to kids.

This is just some food for thought: http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1135866-rehtaehs-death-has-opened- e yes-to-the-risky-world-of-teens-booze-and-sex
 
2013-10-14 05:02:05 PM  

vudukungfu: Look, Rape once, and get your dick chopped off.
It's a fairly good deterrent.


Or we could give them the option of joining the Night's Watch.
 
2013-10-14 05:02:36 PM  

elysive: Granted I'm a woman but do you think every boy is sat down and gently told "if a girl is too drunk having sex with her is wrong and illegal"


Most boys are indeed told, at one point in their lives, by either their father or their older brother(s), that hitting women is wrong. Never hit a girl. Period. For any reason. This talk usually comes around age 10 or 11, or around about the age that girls start driving boys crazy with their hormones n such.

I think most guys can reason out that "never hit a girl" means no violence against women in general, which includes rape, sexual assault, emotional or financial abuse or blackmail, and general misogynistic chauvinistic dickery. There's simply no place for that.

But evidently it still happens, either because guys can't control themselves, or more likely, because they know they can get away with it.

And that is the clincher right there. People will subscribe to any personal vice if they are assured no negative consequences. If Matt Barnett wasn't part of a powerful political family, a popular football player with high connections in a small town, would he have raped Daisy? Of course not. Because any ordinary guy would have been tried and convicted.

This isn't just a story about rape, but about class exceptionalism: The stark differences in judicial and social jurisprudence in a fiercely regimented classist society.
 
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