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2013-10-14 08:52:52 AM  
Richard? Richard Cranium from high school? Wow. I didn't even know you had been paroled.
 
2013-10-14 09:37:12 AM  
A Boston Racist Asshole at Fenway? No Way!
 
2013-10-14 09:37:45 AM  
Wait a Red Sox fan I thought only southerners could be racist assholes?
 
2013-10-14 09:39:05 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Wait a Red Sox fan I thought only southerners could be racist assholes?


you've... never been to Boston, huh?
 
2013-10-14 09:40:33 AM  
Boston is the Klan's summer home for when it gets to hot in the south to be a racist prick.
 
2013-10-14 09:41:20 AM  

The Bestest: AliceBToklasLives: Wait a Red Sox fan I thought only southerners could be racist assholes?

you've... never been to Boston, huh?


Apparently not.

cache.boston.com
 
2013-10-14 09:53:21 AM  
Every team has assholes as fans. He got tossed from what turned out to be an awesome game cause he is a d-bag. Sounds just about karmically right.
 
2013-10-14 09:55:26 AM  
Facking Tawmmy and Sully were dahn there.  Ripped it out that facking biatches hands.  That Tawmmy is a  facking monstah!
 
2013-10-14 09:57:17 AM  
Did the homerun occur at Fenway Park or at the Detroit Tiger's stadium? Was it hit by the home team or the away team. I know both the Chicago Cubs and the Boston Red Sox have the tradition that a home-run hit by the visiting team into the stands must be thrown back to the field in order to symbolically cancel it, and extreme measures including shaming and theft of the ball in question will occur in order to keep this tradition.
 
2013-10-14 09:57:44 AM  
That was probably his wife. 'HA HUNNI WE WON! BAFSEBAWL!!"

"GOD DAMMIT ELIZABETH" *toss*
 
2013-10-14 10:02:21 AM  

greentea1985: Did the homerun occur at Fenway Park or at the Detroit Tiger's stadium? Was it hit by the home team or the away team. I know both the Chicago Cubs and the Boston Red Sox have the tradition that a home-run hit by the visiting team into the stands must be thrown back to the field in order to symbolically cancel it, and extreme measures including shaming and theft of the ball in question will occur in order to keep this tradition.


Which is complete crap.  What if he had ripped the ball away from a little kid?  If someone catches a ball, they should feel free to keep it, especially in the playoffs.  Your team isn't going to win or lose based on whether or not the ball was thrown back.
 
2013-10-14 10:05:31 AM  

greentea1985: Did the homerun occur at Fenway Park or at the Detroit Tiger's stadium? Was it hit by the home team or the away team. I know both the Chicago Cubs and the Boston Red Sox have the tradition that a home-run hit by the visiting team into the stands must be thrown back to the field in order to symbolically cancel it, and extreme measures including shaming and theft of the ball in question will occur in order to keep this tradition.


Uh, citation needed?

Never heard about the Red Sox fans throwing back balls.

FarkedOver: The Bestest: AliceBToklasLives: Wait a Red Sox fan I thought only southerners could be racist assholes?

you've... never been to Boston, huh?

Apparently not.

[cache.boston.com image 539x386]


Sadly, this. And busing was only in the 70s.
 
2013-10-14 10:25:46 AM  
Is this the thread where everyone piles on the actions of one asshole, and groups a whole city and it's fans in with that same person?

Oh, I'm on Fark...I must be in the right place.
 
2013-10-14 10:31:47 AM  

bborchar: greentea1985: Did the homerun occur at Fenway Park or at the Detroit Tiger's stadium? Was it hit by the home team or the away team. I know both the Chicago Cubs and the Boston Red Sox have the tradition that a home-run hit by the visiting team into the stands must be thrown back to the field in order to symbolically cancel it, and extreme measures including shaming and theft of the ball in question will occur in order to keep this tradition.

Which is complete crap.  What if he had ripped the ball away from a little kid?  If someone catches a ball, they should feel free to keep it, especially in the playoffs.  Your team isn't going to win or lose based on whether or not the ball was thrown back.


It's also theft, for which he should be prosecuted. Those balls, particularly in the playoffs, have actual value
 
2013-10-14 10:37:43 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: greentea1985: Did the homerun occur at Fenway Park or at the Detroit Tiger's stadium? Was it hit by the home team or the away team. I know both the Chicago Cubs and the Boston Red Sox have the tradition that a home-run hit by the visiting team into the stands must be thrown back to the field in order to symbolically cancel it, and extreme measures including shaming and theft of the ball in question will occur in order to keep this tradition.

Uh, citation needed?

Never heard about the Red Sox fans throwing back balls.

FarkedOver: The Bestest: AliceBToklasLives: Wait a Red Sox fan I thought only southerners could be racist assholes?

you've... never been to Boston, huh?

Apparently not.

[cache.boston.com image 539x386]

Sadly, this. And busing was only in the 70s.


It's originally a Cubs tradition that other teams in the league have been picking up within the past few years, in part because you see it so often at Wrigley Field.
 
2013-10-14 10:42:30 AM  
Considering the bamdwagoners still think Ortiz wasn't juicing, this doesn't shock me. Bandwagoners are typically assholes
 
2013-10-14 10:45:19 AM  

FarkedOver: Apparently not.


Yawn.
 
2013-10-14 10:46:42 AM  

Lost Thought 00: A Boston Racist Asshole at Fenway? No Way!


Lost Thought 00: It's also theft, for which he should be prosecuted. Those balls, particularly in the playoffs, have actual value.


I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess that you don't like Boston very much.

/Yes, I know there are loads of racists here - and many of them are exactly the type of racist who's been emboldened by the post-2008 right-wing media's constant euphemistic harping about black people. I listen to our local talk radio station for fun sometimes, and the callers often genuinely terrify me.
//Didn't really care about this incident (it's a stupid, embarrassing tradition but a tradition nonetheless, and at least he didn't take the ball from a little kid) until I read "bye, Trayvon."
 
2013-10-14 10:49:07 AM  

cptrios: I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess that you don't like Boston very much.


I have no love for any city that encourages and promotes racism and bigotry.
 
2013-10-14 10:50:19 AM  

Lost Thought 00: It's also theft, for which he should be prosecuted. Those balls, particularly in the playoffs, have actual value



It was also allegedly the woman's boyfriend who took the ball from her and threw it back.

wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net

/cry moar
 
2013-10-14 10:55:26 AM  

Zulu_as_Kono: FarkedOver: Apparently not.

Yawn.


Cool Yawn Bro.
 
2013-10-14 10:56:46 AM  

Lost Thought 00: cptrios: I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess that you don't like Boston very much.

I have no love for any city that encourages and promotes racism and bigotry.


I don't think the city does..... I think there are people within the city that do.  But you are likely to find that in EVERY SINGLE FARKING CITY....yes, even yours.
 
2013-10-14 10:58:05 AM  

FarkedOver: Lost Thought 00: cptrios: I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess that you don't like Boston very much.

I have no love for any city that encourages and promotes racism and bigotry.

I don't think the city does..... I think there are people within the city that do.  But you are likely to find that in EVERY SINGLE FARKING CITY....yes, even yours.


This is a city that erected landmarks in honor of the last professional sports owner to integrate his franchise
 
2013-10-14 10:59:33 AM  

Lost Thought 00: FarkedOver: Lost Thought 00: cptrios: I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess that you don't like Boston very much.

I have no love for any city that encourages and promotes racism and bigotry.

I don't think the city does..... I think there are people within the city that do.  But you are likely to find that in EVERY SINGLE FARKING CITY....yes, even yours.

This is a city that erected landmarks in honor of the last professional sports owner to integrate his franchise


This is a city that erected a landmark for the 54th regiment of the civil war.... what's your farking point?
 
2013-10-14 11:08:52 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-14 11:08:54 AM  
Boston sports fans are dicks. It's well documented.

The Red Sox are nothing but the Yankees when the Yankees aren't around.
 
2013-10-14 11:11:18 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Boston sports fans are dicks. It's well documented.

The Red Sox are nothing but the Yankees when the Yankees aren't around.


wut
 
2013-10-14 11:15:31 AM  

Lost Thought 00: cptrios: I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess that you don't like Boston very much.

I have no love for any city that encourages and promotes racism and bigotry.


It's more people like you who give the city these days the reputation of being racist but you have clearly never been.   They voted in a black governor and were all Obama. Ortiz is one of the most beloved athletes the city has seen.  A lot changes over time, not like you.
 
2013-10-14 11:15:40 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Boston sports fans are dicks. It's well documented.

The Red Sox are nothing but the Yankees when the Yankees aren't around.


Subtract the Yankees' worldwide prestige, history of success and players who exemplify the best of what professional athleticism is all about, and you might be onto something.
 
2013-10-14 11:17:37 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Boston sports fans are dicks. It's well documented.

The Red Sox are nothing but the Yankees when the Yankees aren't around.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-14 11:17:51 AM  

idesofmarch: players who exemplify the best of what professional athleticism is all about


www.sportspickle.com
That's the ticket!
 
2013-10-14 11:21:48 AM  

Lost Thought 00: FarkedOver: Lost Thought 00: cptrios: I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess that you don't like Boston very much.

I have no love for any city that encourages and promotes racism and bigotry.

I don't think the city does..... I think there are people within the city that do.  But you are likely to find that in EVERY SINGLE FARKING CITY....yes, even yours.

This is a city that erected landmarks in honor of the last professional sports owner to integrate his franchise


Huh? Who's that? The Red Sox were the last baseball team to integrate, but the Redskins were the last  sportsteam as far as I know. And the Celtics were the first basketball team to integrate, I think. And, though I'm not old enough to have been around for the busing riots, I really don't know what you're talking about in terms of encouraging racism and bigotry. I don't think Boston is any more or less racist than any other major city I've ever visited.
 
2013-10-14 11:22:05 AM  

FarkedOver: idesofmarch: players who exemplify the best of what professional athleticism is all about

[www.sportspickle.com image 600x522]
That's the ticket!


Why stop there?

ww2.hdnux.com
and don't forget
media.masslive.com
 
2013-10-14 11:24:29 AM  

idesofmarch: barneyfifesbullet: Boston sports fans are dicks. It's well documented.

The Red Sox are nothing but the Yankees when the Yankees aren't around.

Subtract the Yankees' worldwide prestige, history of success and players who exemplify the best of what professional athleticism is all about, and you might be onto something.


The best thing to come out of NY (and specifically your area of NY according to your profile):

theinvisibleagent.files.wordpress.com
The only Rod that NY should be proud about.
 
2013-10-14 11:25:20 AM  
BTW - Yes, I know Papi juiced. But I'm not claiming the game isn't tainted or that the Red Sox are some paragone of virtue. I think, like alot of the teams, they are looking to move on past that era, knowing they all bear some of the taint.
 
2013-10-14 11:27:38 AM  
I'm subby. A big Red Sox fan and though I didn't watch the game but when I read all the stories I felt bad. Boston is a great town and lots to do and see (and welcome tourists!) but there are too many people in Boston like this jerk. I hope the media finds out his name and publishes it.

He abused a visiting fan, which sucks, and he was openly racist about it. The last year of the old Yankee Stadium me and other Red Sox fans went there for a Yankees/Red Sox game and we wore team gear. The fans and the workers were nothing but nice.
 
2013-10-14 11:28:48 AM  
In Chicago, we throw the opponents' home runs back. If you are smart, you bring an extra ball with you. That way, if you catch a home run from the other team, throw that ball back onto the field and keep the actual home run ball.

People will chant "Throw it back" until something gets thrown back to the field. If you don't do it, somebody next to you with a spare ball will toss theirs onto the field. Generally, nobody resorts to stealing the ball out of somebody else's hands.
 
2013-10-14 11:30:43 AM  

FarkedOver: idesofmarch: players who exemplify the best of what professional athleticism is all about

[www.sportspickle.com image 600x522]
That's the ticket!


Well I was thinking more like

bioproj.sabr.orgbioproj.sabr.org
www.notablebiographies.com
www.nndb.com
a.espncdn.com


img.gawkerassets.com
bronxpinstripes.com
static.giantbomb.com
But I think you probably knew that.
 
2013-10-14 11:35:14 AM  

skinink: I'm subby. A big Red Sox fan and though I didn't watch the game but when I read all the stories I felt bad. Boston is a great town and lots to do and see (and welcome tourists!) but there are too many people in Boston like this jerk. I hope the media finds out his name and publishes it.

He abused a visiting fan, which sucks, and he was openly racist about it. The last year of the old Yankee Stadium me and other Red Sox fans went there for a Yankees/Red Sox game and we wore team gear. The fans and the workers were nothing but nice.


I've been a yank fan since I was a kid, I visited old Yank stadium and fenway, both trips I ran into assholes - doesn't matter where you go they always exist. I went to an irish pub to have a few beers, little did I know it was a Sox Haven, mix alcohol some people really get stupid in a hurry.
The percentage of assholes to fans are quite wide, after 20 minutes in a Sox pub I was shooting darts and having beers with two die hard fans.

I've ran into my share of pricks, they give baseball a bad name among with the cheaters, fans should outcast them because they simply give their team a bad name and reputation.
 
2013-10-14 11:35:48 AM  

FarkedOver: Cool Yawn Bro.


Old picture is old.
 
2013-10-14 11:36:49 AM  

Lost Thought 00: This is a city that erected landmarks in honor of the last professional sports owner to integrate his franchise


Are you deliberately lying?
 
2013-10-14 11:39:07 AM  
Prior to 2004, there sure were a lot of fans of other teams who still liked the Sox for the old park and tough luck.  Your pink hats, Sweet Caroline, 2 rings, overexposure on ESPN, and general asshat behavior at Sox road games have taken that from you.
 
2013-10-14 11:39:19 AM  

idesofmarch: FarkedOver: idesofmarch: players who exemplify the best of what professional athleticism is all about

[www.sportspickle.com image 600x522]
That's the ticket!

Well I was thinking more like

[bioproj.sabr.org image 230x300][bioproj.sabr.org image 298x393]
[www.notablebiographies.com image 228x279]
[www.nndb.com image 205x260]
[a.espncdn.com image 195x262]


[img.gawkerassets.com image 295x300]
[bronxpinstripes.com image 300x226]
[static.giantbomb.com image 400x400]
But I think you probably knew that.


I'm sure I could find an equal number of stand-up guys in the history of any sports franchise. Also, wasn't Ruth a raging alcoholic?

Oh, and I submit:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-14 11:43:05 AM  

cptrios: idesofmarch: FarkedOver: idesofmarch: players who exemplify the best of what professional athleticism is all about

[www.sportspickle.com image 600x522]
That's the ticket!

Well I was thinking more like

[bioproj.sabr.org image 230x300][bioproj.sabr.org image 298x393]
[www.notablebiographies.com image 228x279]
[www.nndb.com image 205x260]
[a.espncdn.com image 195x262]


[img.gawkerassets.com image 295x300]
[bronxpinstripes.com image 300x226]
[static.giantbomb.com image 400x400]
But I think you probably knew that.

I'm sure I could find an equal number of stand-up guys in the history of any sports franchise. Also, wasn't Ruth a raging alcoholic?

Oh, and I submit:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 248x287]


Stand-up guys are one thing, but when it comes to legends and Hall of Fame inductees I think the Yankees are easily #1.
 
2013-10-14 11:44:39 AM  

skinink: I'm subby. A big Red Sox fan and though I didn't watch the game......



Wait, wha? You're a big fan yet you did watch the ALCS when your team was in it?
www.cyclonefanatic.com
 
2013-10-14 11:52:12 AM  
you didn't watch, that should say...
 
2013-10-14 11:53:33 AM  
I'm just getting tired of the red sox players biatching and complaining about actual strikes.  The tigers just walk back to the dugout, the sox have to act like they've been maligned throughout history.
 
2013-10-14 11:54:28 AM  

idesofmarch: Stand-up guys are one thing, but when it comes to legends and Hall of Fame inductees I think the Yankees are easily #1.


Sure, assuming you ignore the Giants (23) and the Cardinals (16), and don't mind sharing #3 with the Cubs (15).  Yeah, they're easily #1.
 
2013-10-14 11:54:33 AM  

Publikwerks: skinink: I'm subby. A big Red Sox fan and though I didn't watch the game......


Wait, wha? You're a big fan yet you did watch the ALCS when your team was in it?
[www.cyclonefanatic.com image 700x505]


Things happen. I said I'm a big fan, not a Red Sox at all cost type of person.
 
2013-10-14 11:57:18 AM  

FarkedOver: Apparently not.


Ah yes.  The half-century old picture that justifies all other racism throughout the country.
 
2013-10-14 11:58:09 AM  

You Are All Sheep: I'm just getting tired of the red sox players biatching and complaining about actual strikes.  The tigers just walk back to the dugout, the sox have to act like they've been maligned throughout history.


When teams are losing, the players tend to be more frustrated at bad calls.  It's not really that surprising.
 
2013-10-14 11:58:30 AM  

lilbjorn: FarkedOver: Apparently not.

Ah yes.  The half-century old picture that justifies all other racism throughout the country.


People still biatch about busing here.  This photograph is still remembered by quite a few people in the new england area.  It's not that far removed from history.
 
2013-10-14 11:59:27 AM  

NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: Stand-up guys are one thing, but when it comes to legends and Hall of Fame inductees I think the Yankees are easily #1.

Sure, assuming you ignore the Giants (23) and the Cardinals (16), and don't mind sharing #3 with the Cubs (15).  Yeah, they're easily #1.


I said Yankee "legends and Hall of Fame inductees," which means I'm counting players who have not (yet) been inducted into the HOF.  Reading comprehension - it's handy.
 
2013-10-14 12:04:18 PM  

idesofmarch: NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: Stand-up guys are one thing, but when it comes to legends and Hall of Fame inductees I think the Yankees are easily #1.

Sure, assuming you ignore the Giants (23) and the Cardinals (16), and don't mind sharing #3 with the Cubs (15).  Yeah, they're easily #1.

I said Yankee "legends and Hall of Fame inductees," which means I'm counting players who have not (yet) been inducted into the HOF.  Reading comprehension - it's handy.


"legends" is pretty qualitative.  Every team has fans that would consider some players to be legends that other teams' fans wouldn't.  You could also argue that the Yankees have more notable assholes throughout history than any other team.
 
2013-10-14 12:15:54 PM  

lilbjorn: FarkedOver: Apparently not.

Ah yes.  The half-century old picture that justifies all other racism throughout the country.


38 years half-century.

/and it doesn't justify the racism
 
2013-10-14 12:17:04 PM  

Publikwerks: skinink: I'm subby. A big Red Sox fan and though I didn't watch the game......


Wait, wha? You're a big fan yet you did watch the ALCS when your team was in it?


Walking Dead Premiere.
 
2013-10-14 12:17:17 PM  

NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: Stand-up guys are one thing, but when it comes to legends and Hall of Fame inductees I think the Yankees are easily #1.

Sure, assuming you ignore the Giants (23) and the Cardinals (16), and don't mind sharing #3 with the Cubs (15).  Yeah, they're easily #1.

I said Yankee "legends and Hall of Fame inductees," which means I'm counting players who have not (yet) been inducted into the HOF.  Reading comprehension - it's handy.

"legends" is pretty qualitative.  Every team has fans that would consider some players to be legends that other teams' fans wouldn't.  You could also argue that the Yankees have more notable assholes throughout history than any other team.


I won't argue it's qualitative, which is why I said "I think" the Yankees are #1.

When it comes to assholes, A-Rod and Clemens stand out, this is true - but considering the Red Sox had Papelbon and Manny Ramirez, I think it would be a pretty even race.
 
2013-10-14 12:17:59 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Publikwerks: skinink: I'm subby. A big Red Sox fan and though I didn't watch the game......


Wait, wha? You're a big fan yet you did watch the ALCS when your team was in it?

Walking Dead Premiere.


That's what DVRs are for.
 
2013-10-14 12:19:30 PM  

idesofmarch: NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: Stand-up guys are one thing, but when it comes to legends and Hall of Fame inductees I think the Yankees are easily #1.

Sure, assuming you ignore the Giants (23) and the Cardinals (16), and don't mind sharing #3 with the Cubs (15).  Yeah, they're easily #1.

I said Yankee "legends and Hall of Fame inductees," which means I'm counting players who have not (yet) been inducted into the HOF.  Reading comprehension - it's handy.


The Yankees have eight of those?
 
2013-10-14 12:20:34 PM  

Publikwerks: Every team has assholes as fans. He got tossed from what turned out to be an awesome game cause he is a d-bag. Sounds just about karmically right.


Whoa there.  This is the Sports tab, where rational discourse is discouraged almost as much as it is on the politics tab.

Remember, all teams suck but your own and the fans of all other teams suck worse than their teams,
 
2013-10-14 12:26:35 PM  

Dafatone: idesofmarch: NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: Stand-up guys are one thing, but when it comes to legends and Hall of Fame inductees I think the Yankees are easily #1.

Sure, assuming you ignore the Giants (23) and the Cardinals (16), and don't mind sharing #3 with the Cubs (15).  Yeah, they're easily #1.

I said Yankee "legends and Hall of Fame inductees," which means I'm counting players who have not (yet) been inducted into the HOF.  Reading comprehension - it's handy.

The Yankees have eight of those?


A-Rod and Joba count as six.
 
2013-10-14 12:34:40 PM  

Dafatone: The Yankees have eight of those?


Jeter and Rivera will make it, obviously.  And I'm counting Yankee greats with close-but-not-quite HOF credentials from just the last couple decades - off the top of my head, Pettitte, Mussina, Posada, Bernie Williams and Don Mattingly.  I'm sure fans older than me can name dozens more.  It is because the Yankees have had so many players like them that they've been so successful for decades.
 
2013-10-14 12:34:44 PM  

skinink: Publikwerks: skinink: I'm subby. A big Red Sox fan and though I didn't watch the game......


Wait, wha? You're a big fan yet you did watch the ALCS when your team was in it?
[www.cyclonefanatic.com image 700x505]

Things happen. I said I'm a big fan, not a Red Sox at all cost type of person.


Not going to get into the semantics of what constitutes a big fan, but lets just say that I consider myself a medium fan, and the ALCS had top billing - Boardwalk empire would have to live on the DVR for tonight.

Anywho, no biggie. People get too caught up in pink hat BS. Fans are fans.
 
2013-10-14 12:36:04 PM  

Publikwerks: BTW - Yes, I know Papi juiced. But I'm not claiming the game isn't tainted or that the Red Sox are some paragone of virtue. I think, like alot of the teams, they are looking to move on past that era, knowing they all bear some of the taint.


Most teams don't have their taint batting clean-up.

And I'm still not convinced he's off the juice:


Boston was winning 7-2 at that point.
 
2013-10-14 12:38:47 PM  

idesofmarch: Dafatone: The Yankees have eight of those?

Jeter and Rivera will make it, obviously.  And I'm counting Yankee greats with close-but-not-quite HOF credentials from just the last couple decades - off the top of my head, Pettitte, Mussina, Posada, Bernie Williams and Don Mattingly.  I'm sure fans older than me can name dozens more.  It is because the Yankees have had so many players like them that they've been so successful for decades.


I dunno, I think Pettitte will make it. The hGH might prove problematic, but I think his numbers can get him there.
 
2013-10-14 12:46:22 PM  
 
2013-10-14 12:48:53 PM  

Publikwerks: I dunno, I think Pettitte will make it. The hGH might prove problematic, but I think his numbers can get him there.


It's hard to argue with the numbers, but a lot of people have told me they don't think he will get in because of HGH.  I think they're probably right.
 
2013-10-14 12:51:07 PM  

The Loaf: And I'm still not convinced he's off the juice


 Any particular reason or just that you don't like him?
 
2013-10-14 12:58:06 PM  
I think it's cute people watch a kid's game and refer to a player as "Big Papi". And people say soccer is gay...

/I'm just kidding
 
2013-10-14 12:59:05 PM  

idesofmarch: Publikwerks: I dunno, I think Pettitte will make it. The hGH might prove problematic, but I think his numbers can get him there.

It's hard to argue with the numbers, but a lot of people have told me they don't think he will get in because of HGH.  I think they're probably right.


Well, his numbers are boarderline, he never won a Cy Young, and never really dominated.
 
2013-10-14 01:05:45 PM  

The Loaf: Publikwerks: BTW - Yes, I know Papi juiced. But I'm not claiming the game isn't tainted or that the Red Sox are some paragone of virtue. I think, like alot of the teams, they are looking to move on past that era, knowing they all bear some of the taint.

Most teams don't have their taint batting clean-up.

And I'm still not convinced he's off the juice:


Boston was winning 7-2 at that point.


To be fair, he was on the list, but the list didn't necessarily mean he was juicing. And he never 'looked' like he juiced. But whatever, you can't prove you didn't juice.
 
2013-10-14 01:45:53 PM  

WinoRhino: The Loaf: And I'm still not convinced he's off the juice

 Any particular reason or just that you don't like him?


There was supposed to be a gif of him destroying the dugout with his bat after a strikeout, but Fark ate it.
 
2013-10-14 01:46:58 PM  

Lost Thought 00: FarkedOver: Lost Thought 00: cptrios: I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess that you don't like Boston very much.

I have no love for any city that encourages and promotes racism and bigotry.

I don't think the city does..... I think there are people within the city that do.  But you are likely to find that in EVERY SINGLE FARKING CITY....yes, even yours.

This is a city that erected landmarks in honor of the last professional sports owner to integrate his franchise


Washington Redskins in 1961. George Preston Marshall
Boston Red Sox in 1959. Tom Yawkey
 
2013-10-14 01:48:38 PM  
This guy was a complete dick, however, everyone here wants to say RACISTRACISTRACIST when it has nothing to do with the act. TFA throws in something inflammatory (which may or may not be true) at the end of the article, and that's all you farkers focus on, not the actual thing.

Honestly, I'm reading and posting less and less lately because of the absolute derp around here. You can post a comment which has absolutely nothing to do with race, and someone will call you a RACISTRACISTRACIST, I'm just about done.
 
2013-10-14 01:59:55 PM  

Publikwerks: The Loaf: Publikwerks: BTW - Yes, I know Papi juiced. But I'm not claiming the game isn't tainted or that the Red Sox are some paragone of virtue. I think, like alot of the teams, they are looking to move on past that era, knowing they all bear some of the taint.

Most teams don't have their taint batting clean-up.

And I'm still not convinced he's off the juice:


Boston was winning 7-2 at that point.

To be fair, he was on the list, but the list didn't necessarily mean he was juicing. And he never 'looked' like he juiced. But whatever, you can't prove you didn't juice.


He never looked like he juiced? Wtf are you smoking? He put on quite a bit of weight; steroids help you put on weight; whether its lean muscle or muscle with fat, it does both.

And yes, he was on the same list as arod and manny (the 2003 positive for steroid test result list). He was juicing. No doubt about it. The whole "they never said what he tested positive for" or "it was a vitamin!" is a bunch of bullshiat. Steroid tests do not work that way and anyone who says they do doesn't know wtf they are talking about.

As for this year? Yes, his numbers are suspicious and as the biogenesis thing taught us, passing drug tests means nothing
 
2013-10-14 02:05:42 PM  

oh_please: This guy was a complete dick, however, everyone here wants to say RACISTRACISTRACIST when it has nothing to do with the act. TFA throws in something inflammatory (which may or may not be true) at the end of the article, and that's all you farkers focus on, not the actual thing.

Honestly, I'm reading and posting less and less lately because of the absolute derp around here. You can post a comment which has absolutely nothing to do with race, and someone will call you a RACISTRACISTRACIST, I'm just about done.


Well, bye.
 
2013-10-14 02:21:00 PM  

idesofmarch: Dafatone: The Yankees have eight of those?

Jeter and Rivera will make it, obviously.  And I'm counting Yankee greats with close-but-not-quite HOF credentials from just the last couple decades - off the top of my head, Pettitte, Mussina, Posada, Bernie Williams and Don Mattingly.  I'm sure fans older than me can name dozens more.  It is because the Yankees have had so many players like them that they've been so successful for decades.


If Mussina doesn't get in, everything sucks.

In a just world, he'd be a lock.  The idea that Pettitte is ahead of him should be laughable.
 
2013-10-14 02:26:56 PM  

idesofmarch: NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: Stand-up guys are one thing, but when it comes to legends and Hall of Fame inductees I think the Yankees are easily #1.

Sure, assuming you ignore the Giants (23) and the Cardinals (16), and don't mind sharing #3 with the Cubs (15).  Yeah, they're easily #1.

I said Yankee "legends and Hall of Fame inductees," which means I'm counting players who have not (yet) been inducted into the HOF.  Reading comprehension - it's handy.

"legends" is pretty qualitative.  Every team has fans that would consider some players to be legends that other teams' fans wouldn't.  You could also argue that the Yankees have more notable assholes throughout history than any other team.

I won't argue it's qualitative, which is why I said "I think" the Yankees are #1.

When it comes to assholes, A-Rod and Clemens stand out, this is true - but considering the Red Sox had Papelbon and Manny Ramirez, I think it would be a pretty even race.


PApelbon is just a douchebag, David Ortiz is a juicer.
 
2013-10-14 02:27:44 PM  

Dafatone: If Mussina doesn't get in, everything sucks.


For sure.  He should be eligible next year, right?  He retired after the 2008 season.
 
2013-10-14 02:29:23 PM  

Misconduc: When it comes to assholes, A-Rod and Clemens stand out, this is true - but considering the Red Sox had Papelbon and Manny Ramirez, I think it would be a pretty even race.

PApelbon is just a douchebag, David Ortiz is a juicer.


Well we were talking about assholes, of which juicers are a subset.  As much as I hate A-Rod now (assuming the allegations against him prove to be true, which seems probably), I'll still take him any day over Papelbon.
 
2013-10-14 02:35:18 PM  

idesofmarch: Dafatone: If Mussina doesn't get in, everything sucks.

For sure.  He should be eligible next year, right?  He retired after the 2008 season.


He's almost eligible.
 
2013-10-14 03:45:02 PM  

machoprogrammer: He never looked like he juiced? Wtf are you smoking? He put on quite a bit of weight; steroids help you put on weight; whether its lean muscle or muscle with fat, it does both.

And yes, he was on the same list as arod and manny (the 2003 positive for steroid test result list). He was juicing. No doubt about it. The whole "they never said what he tested positive for" or "it was a vitamin!" is a bunch of bullshiat. Steroid tests do not work that way and anyone who says they do doesn't know wtf they are talking about.

As for this year? Yes, his numbers are suspicious and as the biogenesis thing taught us, passing drug tests means nothing


LIsten, we can both sit here and argue like we know what the hell we are talking about. But both of us don't know shiat. Catch him cheating and I'll give you credit. Otherwise, you're just yapping to someone who really doesn't give a shiat what you think.

You think I'm gonna say "Your right, Ortiz should really give back that GS."?
LOLOLOL
 
2013-10-14 04:14:43 PM  

idesofmarch: NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: NeoCortex42: idesofmarch: Stand-up guys are one thing, but when it comes to legends and Hall of Fame inductees I think the Yankees are easily #1.

Sure, assuming you ignore the Giants (23) and the Cardinals (16), and don't mind sharing #3 with the Cubs (15).  Yeah, they're easily #1.

I said Yankee "legends and Hall of Fame inductees," which means I'm counting players who have not (yet) been inducted into the HOF.  Reading comprehension - it's handy.

"legends" is pretty qualitative.  Every team has fans that would consider some players to be legends that other teams' fans wouldn't.  You could also argue that the Yankees have more notable assholes throughout history than any other team.

I won't argue it's qualitative, which is why I said "I think" the Yankees are #1.

When it comes to assholes, A-Rod and Clemens stand out, this is true - but considering the Red Sox had Papelbon and Manny Ramirez, I think it would be a pretty even race.


They kept Manny, but dumped Papelbon. I can't recall Paps ever lying to congress or doing roids either.  Manny on the other hand was like watching an idiot savant playing baseball, but he produced at the right time.  As a Sox fan, I have respect for players like Jeter and Posada, but Clemens and ARod are on a much different level.
 
2013-10-14 04:33:44 PM  

Publikwerks: machoprogrammer: He never looked like he juiced? Wtf are you smoking? He put on quite a bit of weight; steroids help you put on weight; whether its lean muscle or muscle with fat, it does both.

And yes, he was on the same list as arod and manny (the 2003 positive for steroid test result list). He was juicing. No doubt about it. The whole "they never said what he tested positive for" or "it was a vitamin!" is a bunch of bullshiat. Steroid tests do not work that way and anyone who says they do doesn't know wtf they are talking about.

As for this year? Yes, his numbers are suspicious and as the biogenesis thing taught us, passing drug tests means nothing

LIsten, we can both sit here and argue like we know what the hell we are talking about. But both of us don't know shiat. Catch him cheating and I'll give you credit. Otherwise, you're just yapping to someone who really doesn't give a shiat what you think.

You think I'm gonna say "Your right, Ortiz should really give back that GS."?
LOLOLOL


Yeah i don't know this year, but it is possible. He juiced in the past, why stop now?

Or do you really believe that he failed a steroid test by not taking a steroid?
 
2013-10-14 04:41:14 PM  

idesofmarch: FarkedOver: idesofmarch: players who exemplify the best of what professional athleticism is all about

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That's the ticket!

Well I was thinking more like

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[www.nndb.com image 205x260]
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But I think you probably knew that.



Yeah, but you forgot about this guy. He threw at his own kid in a father son game!

www.uncoached.com
 
2013-10-14 04:41:45 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: They kept Manny, but dumped Papelbon. I can't recall Paps ever lying to congress or doing roids either. Manny on the other hand was like watching an idiot savant playing baseball, but he produced at the right time. As a Sox fan, I have respect for players like Jeter and Posada, but Clemens and ARod are on a much different level.


I'm not going to criticize a baseball player for lying to Congress, because Congress are a bunch of worthless scumbags (more so now than then, but still).  As far as I'm concerned, lying to them is no more morally suspect than telling the cop who just pulled you over that you were indeed within the 65 MPH speed limit.  I do dislike the fact that he cheated, and if he was ever before MLB or the MLBPA and lied to them, that's another story - but fark Congress.

Also, Manny wasn't an idiot savant - he was Kenny Powers with talent.  All ego, no self-awareness.  Papelbon is just a complete douchebag, who refused to give an autograph to kid Yankee fan (according to a friend of mine) and was worse than Valverde when it came to theatrics on the mound.  Fark 'em.
 
2013-10-14 04:45:48 PM  

machoprogrammer: He never looked like he juiced? Wtf are you smoking? He put on quite a bit of weight; steroids help you put on weight; whether its lean muscle or muscle with fat, it does both.


Hahahaa... is this your latest argument about how Ortiz is juicing? His body mass index? Remember last thread when you were arguing about Ortiz doing steroids and it was his power numbers over the course of his career? I guess you've moved to this new theory after  I showed you how that one was completely flawed.

Okay, so now it's steroids made him gain weight. So how about going into 2012 when he lost a ton of weight. Was that because he stopped juicing? And if that's the case, why did his power numbers improve? Before injuring his Achilles Tendon in mid July he has 23 HR and was batting .318. Both improvements over 2011. So... he must have been juicing! But he lost weight... so he wasn't... but his power numbers went up... I'm confused.

Of course your next reply will be that the Achilles injury was because he was juicing. Or not juicing. Because you've heard something about how players who juice, or stop juicing, get tendon problems. You know, in their feet.AH-HA! Perhaps, he switched to the low calorie steroids. You know, the ones that add lean muscle only without the fat that you mentioned above? Diet steroids! All the power, none of the weight!

Regardless, I look forward to your next theory.
 
2013-10-14 05:01:56 PM  
WinoRhino:
You know, the ones that add lean muscle only without the fat that you mentioned above? Diet steroids! All the power, none of the weight!

Here are 4 good products that you might want to look into if you would like to look like you have been lifting all your life.  I guess they would fall into a "diet steroid" category that you have mentioned.  I have no idea what you guys were arguing about, however they do exist.

Winstrol
Primo
Tren
Deca
 
2013-10-14 05:04:52 PM  

idesofmarch: Also, Manny wasn't an idiot savant - he was Kenny Powers with talent.


Hey, according to the pilot's opening montage, Kenny Powers closed a World Series title for Atlanta.

/after Sunday's heartbreaker results, the only Bostonian on my good side is Fenway Cop
 
2013-10-14 05:23:44 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: Here are 4 good products that you might want to look into if you would like to look like you have been lifting all your life.  I guess they would fall into a "diet steroid" category that you have mentioned.  I have no idea what you guys were arguing about, however they do exist.


The point I was trying to make was that someone can't use things like body weight, power numbers, etc as a reliable indicator that a player is using steroids.
 
2013-10-14 05:34:19 PM  

machoprogrammer: Publikwerks: machoprogrammer: He never looked like he juiced? Wtf are you smoking? He put on quite a bit of weight; steroids help you put on weight; whether its lean muscle or muscle with fat, it does both.

And yes, he was on the same list as arod and manny (the 2003 positive for steroid test result list). He was juicing. No doubt about it. The whole "they never said what he tested positive for" or "it was a vitamin!" is a bunch of bullshiat. Steroid tests do not work that way and anyone who says they do doesn't know wtf they are talking about.

As for this year? Yes, his numbers are suspicious and as the biogenesis thing taught us, passing drug tests means nothing

LIsten, we can both sit here and argue like we know what the hell we are talking about. But both of us don't know shiat. Catch him cheating and I'll give you credit. Otherwise, you're just yapping to someone who really doesn't give a shiat what you think.

You think I'm gonna say "Your right, Ortiz should really give back that GS."?
LOLOLOL

Yeah i don't know this year, but it is possible. He juiced in the past, why stop now?

Or do you really believe that he failed a steroid test by not taking a steroid?


Well, since the list was never released, and it was only "leaked" to one site(where it spread all over the internet), I would hardly call that a definitive source.
 
2013-10-14 06:05:40 PM  

Publikwerks: Well, since the list was never released, and it was only "leaked" to one site(where it spread all over the internet), I would hardly call that a definitive source.


It was pretty definitive for A-Rod.
 
2013-10-14 06:13:26 PM  

WinoRhino: JohnnyRebel88: Here are 4 good products that you might want to look into if you would like to look like you have been lifting all your life.  I guess they would fall into a "diet steroid" category that you have mentioned.  I have no idea what you guys were arguing about, however they do exist.

The point I was trying to make was that someone can't use things like body weight, power numbers, etc as a reliable indicator that a player is using steroids.


Well I guess you are absolutely correct.  Pitchers want to get Tommy John because they come back with more firepower after the surgery.  So I guess you must inject something to make it performance enhancing.  Thank God John Lackey recovered from it this year, prior to that he was utterly useless.
 
2013-10-14 06:31:42 PM  

You Are All Sheep: I'm just getting tired of the red sox players biatching and complaining about actual strikes.  The tigers just walk back to the dugout, the sox have to act like they've been maligned throughout history.


Eh, the Tigers have had their share of complaints with balls and strikes -- heck, Miggy got thrown out of two games this season for arguing a strike call and he was really rather relaxed about it both times.  I don't recall who it was but there was a time during the game last night when I thought a Sox player should have been tossed.
 
2013-10-14 07:10:41 PM  

idesofmarch: Publikwerks: Well, since the list was never released, and it was only "leaked" to one site(where it spread all over the internet), I would hardly call that a definitive source.

It was pretty definitive for A-Rod.


There was a different source for A-Rod as SI reported it, so it carried a bit more weight than rotoinfo.com.
 
2013-10-14 07:30:31 PM  

machoprogrammer: Publikwerks: The Loaf: Publikwerks: BTW - Yes, I know Papi juiced. But I'm not claiming the game isn't tainted or that the Red Sox are some paragone of virtue. I think, like alot of the teams, they are looking to move on past that era, knowing they all bear some of the taint.

Most teams don't have their taint batting clean-up.

And I'm still not convinced he's off the juice:


Boston was winning 7-2 at that point.

To be fair, he was on the list, but the list didn't necessarily mean he was juicing. And he never 'looked' like he juiced. But whatever, you can't prove you didn't juice.

He never looked like he juiced? Wtf are you smoking? He put on quite a bit of weight; steroids help you put on weight; whether its lean muscle or muscle with fat, it does both.

And yes, he was on the same list as arod and manny (the 2003 positive for steroid test result list). He was juicing. No doubt about it. The whole "they never said what he tested positive for" or "it was a vitamin!" is a bunch of bullshiat. Steroid tests do not work that way and anyone who says they do doesn't know wtf they are talking about.

As for this year? Yes, his numbers are suspicious and as the biogenesis thing taught us, passing drug tests means nothing


Ortiz's numbers this year are  suspicious?OK, let's compare his numbers over the last, oh, 5 years.

2008: 109 G, 419 PA, 416 AB, 74 R, 110 H, 30 2B, 1 3B, 23 HR, 89 RBI( had a wrist injury in 2008, thus only 109 games)
2009:  150 G627 PA, 541 AB, 77 R, 129 H, 35 2B,  1 3B, 28 HR, 99 RBI
2010: 145 G, 606 PA, 518 AB,  86 R, 150 H, 36 2B, 1 3B, 32 HR, 102 RBI
2011: 146 G, 605 PA, 525 AB, 84 R,  162 H, 40 2B, 1 3B, 29 HR, 96 RBI
2012: 90 G, 383 PA, 324 AB, 65 R, 103 H, 26 2B, 0 3B, 23 HR, 60 RBI (Ortiz's season ended on July 16(ankle injury)
2013: 137 G, 600 PA, 518 AB, 84 R, 160 H, 38 2B, 2 3B, 30 HR, 103 RBI

Bold numbers are highs in that stat over the 5 year period, 

Ignoring his two injury marred seasons (2008 and 2012), his numbers are fairly consistent. So where was that suspicion again?
 
2013-10-14 07:42:51 PM  

Publikwerks: idesofmarch: Publikwerks: Well, since the list was never released, and it was only "leaked" to one site(where it spread all over the internet), I would hardly call that a definitive source.

It was pretty definitive for A-Rod.

There was a different source for A-Rod as SI reported it, so it carried a bit more weight than rotoinfo.com.


Hmm, if you say so.  Didn't know that.
 
2013-10-14 08:01:35 PM  

mooseyfate: I think it's cute people watch a kid's game and refer to a player as "Big Papi". And people say soccer is gay...


www.soccercentralph.com

People say wot?!!!
 
2013-10-14 08:12:02 PM  
Dude's a POS.

/Go Sox
 
2013-10-14 10:39:37 PM  

FarkedOver: People still biatch about busing here. This photograph is still remembered by quite a few people in the new england area. It's not that far removed from history.


Especially that great photoshop Keylock made during the Bruins/Penguins series last season.
 
2013-10-14 11:14:41 PM  

Publikwerks: machoprogrammer: Publikwerks: machoprogrammer: He never looked like he juiced? Wtf are you smoking? He put on quite a bit of weight; steroids help you put on weight; whether its lean muscle or muscle with fat, it does both.

And yes, he was on the same list as arod and manny (the 2003 positive for steroid test result list). He was juicing. No doubt about it. The whole "they never said what he tested positive for" or "it was a vitamin!" is a bunch of bullshiat. Steroid tests do not work that way and anyone who says they do doesn't know wtf they are talking about.

As for this year? Yes, his numbers are suspicious and as the biogenesis thing taught us, passing drug tests means nothing

LIsten, we can both sit here and argue like we know what the hell we are talking about. But both of us don't know shiat. Catch him cheating and I'll give you credit. Otherwise, you're just yapping to someone who really doesn't give a shiat what you think.

You think I'm gonna say "Your right, Ortiz should really give back that GS."?
LOLOLOL

Yeah i don't know this year, but it is possible. He juiced in the past, why stop now?

Or do you really believe that he failed a steroid test by not taking a steroid?

Well, since the list was never released, and it was only "leaked" to one site(where it spread all over the internet), I would hardly call that a definitive source.


According to Ortiz himself, he was on that list: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/ 0 7/report_ortiz_ra.html

WinoRhino: JohnnyRebel88: Here are 4 good products that you might want to look into if you would like to look like you have been lifting all your life.  I guess they would fall into a "diet steroid" category that you have mentioned.  I have no idea what you guys were arguing about, however they do exist.

The point I was trying to make was that someone can't use things like body weight, power numbers, etc as a reliable indicator that a player is using steroids.


So since you can't use power numbers, you think Luis Gonzalez was clean in '01? Or Brady Anderson in '96? Bonds was clean, too, then, huh?

And weight gain is not a suspicion of steroids? Seriously? The human body can only gain about 2 lb of muscle a month without steroids if everything is done correctly. If a player comes in, having "gained 10 lb of muscle" in the off season, there is no way they can do that without roids (or they are bullshiatting). If you have just started lifting, then yes, you gain fast at first, but all MLBers have been lifting weights for years (at least, I would assume). Since weight gain isn't a suspicion and all... In fact, according to http://scoobysworkshop.com/expectations/ , quick weight gain is the #1 sign to detecting steroid use. And yes, there are "cutting" steroids.  Winny, dbol, anavar are all steroids used to gain muscle mass while losing body fat and DNP, while not a steroid, is an illegal PED for weight loss (with really nasty side effects). There's many, many steroids. Some undetectable and each acts differently.
 
2013-10-14 11:59:16 PM  

machoprogrammer: So since you can't use power numbers, you think Luis Gonzalez was clean in '01? Or Brady Anderson in '96? Bonds was clean, too, then, huh?


I'm sort-of at a loss on how to explain this to you without coming off like a jerk. Power numbers alone are not an indicator of steroid use. If they were, then any player who had a progressive increase in their power numbers, according to you, would be a steroid user. We went over this in the last thread that I referenced. I'll put it here:

HRs by David Ortiz, ages 24-30: 10, 18, 20, 31, 41, 47, 54.
HRs by Gil Hodges, ages 24-30: 11, 23, 32, 40, 31, 32, 42.
HRs by Hack Wilson, ages 24-30: 10, 6, 21, 30, 31, 39, 56.


There you go. He progressed as a hitter. But you, apparently, can tell that Ortiz was juicing even though he has very similar numbers to other historic power hitters. Once again, as I said in the other thread which you obviously didn't go back to read:

You try to make it sound like Ortiz made the jump to 54 HR in a single year, but it was really over the span of 7 years with modest improvements, year over year, from age 24 to age 30 (which is the prime age for most hitters.) 10, 18, 20, (Traded) 31, 41, 47, 54.  Then you say he sucked the last few years? He'shiat over .300 the last three years including this one. There was a two year span in which his AVG dropped and so did his HR production, even though he was still hitting around 25 of them. He also had some very high SO totals in that time. So if anything, you can see a bell curve with a couple outlier points as he aged into his prime and then started to come out of it. Seems pretty legit to me.  I'm not denying the 2003 test results, or even suggesting he wasn't taking something. But I am saying that pointing to his stats as a way of trying to prove that isn't going to get you anywhere.

Add body-type to that last sentence and we're up-to-date with your Ortiz hate.  Speaking of body type...

machoprogrammer: And weight gain is not a suspicion of steroids? Seriously?


Again, all I said was weight gain alone is not enough to indicate a steroid user. You say weight gain is the tell-tale sign, but with Ortiz he lost weight. So your response is that there are steroids to make you lose fat and build lean muscle. So THAT'S gotta be the case here, right? But what you're essentially saying is this (also from that last thread):

Guy got injured? Steroids.
Guy doesn't get injured? Steroids.
Guy hit a bunch of HRs in one season but never again? Steroids.
Guy hit a bunch of HRs for several seasons? Steroids.
Guy didn't hit a bunch of HR but did other stuff pretty well? Steroids.
Guy wasn't particularity good at all? Steroids.


And now, courtesy of your posts in this thread we get to add:

Guy lost weight and power numbers went up? Steroids.
Guy gained weight and power numbers went up? Steroids.


Selig should hire you. You have an amazing ability to pick the steroid users out of the crowd just by looking at them! You're like the guy in the Gladwell's "Blink" who could detect a tennis player's double-fault before it happened.
 
2013-10-15 08:03:28 AM  

WinoRhino: machoprogrammer: So since you can't use power numbers, you think Luis Gonzalez was clean in '01? Or Brady Anderson in '96? Bonds was clean, too, then, huh?

I'm sort-of at a loss on how to explain this to you without coming off like a jerk. Power numbers alone are not an indicator of steroid use. If they were, then any player who had a progressive increase in their power numbers, according to you, would be a steroid user. We went over this in the last thread that I referenced. I'll put it here:

HRs by David Ortiz, ages 24-30: 10, 18, 20, 31, 41, 47, 54.
HRs by Gil Hodges, ages 24-30: 11, 23, 32, 40, 31, 32, 42.
HRs by Hack Wilson, ages 24-30: 10, 6, 21, 30, 31, 39, 56.

There you go. He progressed as a hitter. But you, apparently, can tell that Ortiz was juicing even though he has very similar numbers to other historic power hitters. Once again, as I said in the other thread which you obviously didn't go back to read:

You try to make it sound like Ortiz made the jump to 54 HR in a single year, but it was really over the span of 7 years with modest improvements, year over year, from age 24 to age 30 (which is the prime age for most hitters.) 10, 18, 20, (Traded) 31, 41, 47, 54.  Then you say he sucked the last few years? He'shiat over .300 the last three years including this one. There was a two year span in which his AVG dropped and so did his HR production, even though he was still hitting around 25 of them. He also had some very high SO totals in that time. So if anything, you can see a bell curve with a couple outlier points as he aged into his prime and then started to come out of it. Seems pretty legit to me.  I'm not denying the 2003 test results, or even suggesting he wasn't taking something. But I am saying that pointing to his stats as a way of trying to prove that isn't going to get you anywhere.

Add body-type to that last sentence and we're up-to-date with your Ortiz hate.  Speaking of body type...

machoprogrammer: And weight gain is not a suspicion o ...


You're right, there is no way Ortiz juiced! I mean, it isn't like he failed a drug test back in 2003 or anything...

And yes, weight gain alone can be an indicator of steroid use. Why do you think bodybuilders do steroids?
 
2013-10-15 01:30:37 PM  

machoprogrammer: You're right, there is no way Ortiz juiced! I mean, it isn't like he failed a drug test back in 2003 or anything...


And because you absolutely FAIL at reading, let alone comprehension, I'll quote myself from above, which was me quoting myself from the other thread, responding to you previously:

WinoRhino: I'm not denying the 2003 test results, or even suggesting he wasn't taking something. But I am saying that pointing to his stats as a way of trying to prove that isn't going to get you anywhere.


machoprogrammer: And yes, weight gain alone can be an indicator of steroid use. Why do you think bodybuilders do steroids?


You're so dense. I'm beside myself. Let me help you: not every person in the world who gains weight is doing steroids. PLEASE read that several times until it sinks in. Therefore, weight gain alone is not a sufficient indicator that some one is doing steroids. Here's an impersonation of you at a zoo:

YOU: "Look at that beautiful horse!"
ZOO GUY:  "Sir, that's a Zebra."
YOU: "No it isn't. It's a horse. It has four legs, a mane, and hooves. It's a horse."
ZOO GUY:  "It's also got black and white stripes and belongs to a different species completely."
YOU:  "Nope. Wrong. A mane, four hooves and a tail is enough for me to know it's a horse."
 
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