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2013-10-14 03:17:30 AM
The hand in the RTD era became the one hearted doctor that ran off with rose in the alternate universe. Glad the guy who wrote this article was paying attention.
 
2013-10-14 10:07:12 AM
I love hating Steven Moffat
 
2013-10-14 10:38:49 AM
Great time to be a Doctor Who fan.
 
2013-10-14 10:46:36 AM
Just about every episode of this show involves something happening at the eleventh hour that's completely implausible that should have been forbidden by the rules of the show itself. I don't see why they couldn't just handwave away the regeneration limit like everything else. You've already sold me on iffy time-travel, doubtful continuity, and plot resolutions being pulled out of asses, because the show is so much fun to watch.

One more suspension of disbelief isn't going to be the final straw.
 
2013-10-14 10:53:39 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Just about every episode of this show involves something happening at the eleventh hour that's completely implausible that should have been forbidden by the rules of the show itself. I don't see why they couldn't just handwave away the regeneration limit like everything else. You've already sold me on iffy time-travel, doubtful continuity, and plot resolutions being pulled out of asses, because the show is so much fun to watch.

One more suspension of disbelief isn't going to be the final straw.


12 is actually a Galifreyin inside joke. It's really 37. I would explain the joke, but you really had to be there.
 
2013-10-14 10:54:41 AM

Longtooth: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Just about every episode of this show involves something happening at the eleventh hour that's completely implausible that should have been forbidden by the rules of the show itself. I don't see why they couldn't just handwave away the regeneration limit like everything else. You've already sold me on iffy time-travel, doubtful continuity, and plot resolutions being pulled out of asses, because the show is so much fun to watch.

One more suspension of disbelief isn't going to be the final straw.

12 is actually a Galifreyin inside joke. It's really 37. I would explain the joke, but you really had to be there.


Who writes jokes in Base-13?
 
2013-10-14 10:54:49 AM
Counting correctly I get 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, potato, etc.  Therefore Strax is the new Doctor!
 
2013-10-14 10:56:46 AM
Was the first Doctor the first one for sure?
 
2013-10-14 10:57:07 AM
I still don't see why people are thinking the 12 regeneration is hard and fast, seeing as how the Master used up his regenerations and was granted a new set by the Time Lords, all the way back in Tom Baker's run.
 
2013-10-14 11:02:57 AM
Not a huge stretch. The doctor has a 12 regeneration limit. So there can be 13 Doctors total, he did not regenerate into the first doctor. The new doctor and John Hurt will force the count to 13. Making the next doctor the last regeneration. Unless there is some kind of  Shenanigans, since this is doctor who, there will be Shenanigans.
 
2013-10-14 11:05:55 AM

Garaba: Not a huge stretch. The doctor has a 12 regeneration limit. So there can be 13 Doctors total, he did not regenerate into the first doctor. The new doctor and John Hurt will force the count to 13. Making the next doctor the last regeneration. Unless there is some kind of  Shenanigans, since this is doctor who, there will be Shenanigans.


Right. I'm confused as to what we're supposedly missing with the count.
 
2013-10-14 11:13:30 AM

Garaba: Not a huge stretch. The doctor has a 12 regeneration limit. So there can be 13 Doctors total, he did not regenerate into the first doctor. The new doctor and John Hurt will force the count to 13. Making the next doctor the last regeneration. Unless there is some kind of  Shenanigans, since this is doctor who, there will be Shenanigans.


I still think Hurt is a older version of 8.
 
2013-10-14 11:23:04 AM

rynthetyn: Garaba: Not a huge stretch. The doctor has a 12 regeneration limit. So there can be 13 Doctors total, he did not regenerate into the first doctor. The new doctor and John Hurt will force the count to 13. Making the next doctor the last regeneration. Unless there is some kind of  Shenanigans, since this is doctor who, there will be Shenanigans.

Right. I'm confused as to what we're supposedly missing with the count.


So is Moffat.  He just likes screwing with people.
 
2013-10-14 11:24:32 AM
Is Moffat using River's giving up of her regenerations to fudge the numbers?

Garaba: Not a huge stretch. The doctor has a 12 regeneration limit. So there can be 13 Doctors total, he did not regenerate into the first doctor. The new doctor and John Hurt will force the count to 13. Making the next doctor the last regeneration. Unless there is some kind of  Shenanigans, since this is doctor who, there will be Shenanigans.


12 doctors so far + the new doctor + John Hurt = 13 Doctors total?
 
2013-10-14 11:24:49 AM
Well, it wouldn't surprise me if Matt Smith's Doctor is really the 'last' regeneration (although obviously, something would change that).  The whole Trenzalore thing seems somewhat indicative of it...why we only see the Doctors from his past in the timeline (wouldn't he have future doctors in his timeline as well?).  Also, why is his 'body' buried in the current theme of the console room in the TARDIS?  Wouldn't it change at some point in the future?  Anyway, like the others said, just about anything is possible- this IS Doctor Who.  There's nothing off the table, and the canon basically allows for anything and everything to happen.  So I'm sure I didn't miss anything...I just don't know what exactly it is that Moffat is going to do until he's done it.

/still can't wait
 
2013-10-14 11:24:51 AM
12 in base-gallifreyan.  It's an irrational number of generations.
 
2013-10-14 11:26:53 AM
Two did not "die".  The time lords forced a change of appearance on him, so maybe that does not count as a regeneration.

11 has referred to himself as such, so you I think he'd know how many times he has regenerated.  So if we discount Troughton to Pertwee as a proper regeneration and add in HurtDoc, then 11 can still be 11.
 
2013-10-14 11:27:55 AM

SilentStrider: I still don't see why people are thinking the 12 regeneration is hard and fast, seeing as how the Master used up his regenerations and was granted a new set by the Time Lords, all the way back in Tom Baker's run.


They didn't really give the Master new regenerations until either the movie, or NuWho, did they?

Back in Baker's run, The Master was on his last life, and decomposing underground in that one serial. The next time we saw him, The Master transferred his mind into the body of Nyssa's father to get around the regeneration limit.

In The Five Doctors, the Time Lords offered him a new set of regenerations, but I don't recall if they came through with them or not. But Eric Roberts had to come from somewhere.
 
2013-10-14 11:31:14 AM

FirstNationalBastard: SilentStrider: I still don't see why people are thinking the 12 regeneration is hard and fast, seeing as how the Master used up his regenerations and was granted a new set by the Time Lords, all the way back in Tom Baker's run.

They didn't really give the Master new regenerations until either the movie, or NuWho, did they?

Back in Baker's run, The Master was on his last life, and decomposing underground in that one serial. The next time we saw him, The Master transferred his mind into the body of Nyssa's father to get around the regeneration limit.

In The Five Doctors, the Time Lords offered him a new set of regenerations, but I don't recall if they came through with them or not. But Eric Roberts had to come from somewhere.


Eric Roberts came from the bowels of hell.
 
2013-10-14 11:31:48 AM

Titanius Anglesmith: Garaba: Not a huge stretch. The doctor has a 12 regeneration limit. So there can be 13 Doctors total, he did not regenerate into the first doctor. The new doctor and John Hurt will force the count to 13. Making the next doctor the last regeneration. Unless there is some kind of  Shenanigans, since this is doctor who, there will be Shenanigans.

I still think Hurt is a older version of 8.


What I thought at first, but the only thing nagging at me about that theory is  Clara should of recognized  him. Everyone is just assuming heexisted during the time war where thecontinuity is vague. I think hes the Valeyard, putting him between the 12th and 14th doctor.
 
2013-10-14 11:34:03 AM
The wife is a Dr. Who fan not me, so I may have misunderstood this, but didn't they say he had unlimited regenerations in the Sarah Jane Smith show?
 
2013-10-14 11:41:37 AM

Garaba: Titanius Anglesmith: Garaba: Not a huge stretch. The doctor has a 12 regeneration limit. So there can be 13 Doctors total, he did not regenerate into the first doctor. The new doctor and John Hurt will force the count to 13. Making the next doctor the last regeneration. Unless there is some kind of  Shenanigans, since this is doctor who, there will be Shenanigans.

I still think Hurt is a older version of 8.

What I thought at first, but the only thing nagging at me about that theory is  Clara should of recognized  him. Everyone is just assuming heexisted during the time war where thecontinuity is vague. I think hes the Valeyard, putting him between the 12th and 14th doctor.


Maybe she only saw the 8th Doctor before his fall from grace, or whatever? I'm looking at it from a continuity point of view. It's a lot easier to shoehorn Hurt into the canon that way, than adding a whole new Doctor to the list. The 8th Doctor has a whole realm of gap between the end of the TvM, and whenever he regenerated into the 9th.

That said, they're capable of damn near anything with this show. I did find it a bit odd that the Valeyard proper didn't show up somewhere in the Name of the Doctor episode. Besides of course the mention of him by the G.I. 

I honestly don't care what they do, so long as it's done well. I know it's all BS, I just hope it's clever BS :)

/watching The Web of Fear tonight.
//next to my full size TARDIS
///NEEEERD!
 
2013-10-14 11:45:13 AM

Slam Bradley: The wife is a Dr. Who fan not me, so I may have misunderstood this, but didn't they say he had unlimited regenerations in the Sarah Jane Smith show?


He did, but that was Russell J Davies writing again and Steven Moffat says he just said that on a whim to change the subject while he and the little girl were in danger. In other words, Moffat doesn't care what the Doctor said in Sarah Jane.
 
2013-10-14 11:46:33 AM
Don't foget the 'unnamed' person of fear that Smith saw in the hotel.

'Of course it's you.'
 
2013-10-14 11:48:03 AM

Oysterman: 12 doctors so far + the new doctor + John Hurt = 13 Doctors total?


By no means am I an expert on the matter, but I thought Matt Smith was 11 (wiki has him as 11 also).
 
2013-10-14 11:50:57 AM
Slightly off topic, but of the things in Nu-Who that have bothered me (and there's plenty) there is one thing I can't reconcile as making sense:  The time-phone.  The Doctor upgrades companions cellphones.  Beyond the obvious (if slightly silly) issues of potential roaming charges and people changing their phones every two years, there is a larger problem:  The concept doesn't work.

Even if you make the phone only work in the companions current time (can only call the Tardis during the present time) the concept falls apart, because as we have seen (many times) the Doctor (or different incarnations of the Doctor) are often present at the same point in time.  I'm not talking Three Doctors, Five Doctors, Two Doctors type things, I'm talking about the Doctor actually being around at the same place in time.  Take November 23rd, 1963.  We know at least two incarnations of the Doctor (1st and 7th) have been around the same time (and even the same general place).  Which Tardis does the phone call.

It's just a stupid idea.
 
2013-10-14 11:52:42 AM

mjbok: Slightly off topic, but of the things in Nu-Who that have bothered me (and there's plenty) there is one thing I can't reconcile as making sense:  The time-phone.  The Doctor upgrades companions cellphones.  Beyond the obvious (if slightly silly) issues of potential roaming charges and people changing their phones every two years, there is a larger problem:  The concept doesn't work.

Even if you make the phone only work in the companions current time (can only call the Tardis during the present time) the concept falls apart, because as we have seen (many times) the Doctor (or different incarnations of the Doctor) are often present at the same point in time.  I'm not talking Three Doctors, Five Doctors, Two Doctors type things, I'm talking about the Doctor actually being around at the same place in time.  Take November 23rd, 1963.  We know at least two incarnations of the Doctor (1st and 7th) have been around the same time (and even the same general place).  Which Tardis does the phone call.

It's just a stupid idea.


That's a fair observation. I just sort of let it roll off my back and let it blend into all the other highly implausible things the show does.
 
2013-10-14 11:53:07 AM

Anderson's Pooper: Counting correctly I get 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, potato, etc.  Therefore Strax is the new Doctor!


So then, that should be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, psychotic potato.

img.fark.net
 
2013-10-14 11:54:26 AM
Rule One: Moffat lies.
 
2013-10-14 11:57:41 AM

Son of Thunder: Rule One: Moffat lies.


Exactly this!
 
2013-10-14 11:59:24 AM

BafflerMeal: Don't foget the 'unnamed' person of fear that Smith saw in the hotel.

'Of course it's you.'


I always thought it was himself, but now I'm almost certain he saw Hurt's Doctor.
 
2013-10-14 12:00:59 PM

mjbok: Slightly off topic, but of the things in Nu-Who that have bothered me (and there's plenty) there is one thing I can't reconcile as making sense:  The time-phone.  The Doctor upgrades companions cellphones.  Beyond the obvious (if slightly silly) issues of potential roaming charges and people changing their phones every two years, there is a larger problem:  The concept doesn't work.

Even if you make the phone only work in the companions current time (can only call the Tardis during the present time) the concept falls apart, because as we have seen (many times) the Doctor (or different incarnations of the Doctor) are often present at the same point in time.  I'm not talking Three Doctors, Five Doctors, Two Doctors type things, I'm talking about the Doctor actually being around at the same place in time.  Take November 23rd, 1963.  We know at least two incarnations of the Doctor (1st and 7th) have been around the same time (and even the same general place).  Which Tardis does the phone call.

It's just a stupid idea.


You've really given this a lot of thought, haven't you?
 
2013-10-14 12:01:33 PM
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felt like posting this :)
 
2013-10-14 12:03:45 PM

bborchar: You've really given this a lot of thought, haven't you?


Actually it was the first thing that occurred to me when it happened.  Sure you can make a phone that can call anywhere, but anytime?
 
2013-10-14 12:04:42 PM

mjbok: bborchar: You've really given this a lot of thought, haven't you?

Actually it was the first thing that occurred to me when it happened.  Sure you can make a phone that can call anywhere, but anytime?


Wibbly-wobbly.. etc, etc.
 
2013-10-14 12:11:39 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Counting correctly I get 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, potato, etc.  Therefore Strax is the new Doctor!


I would watch that..

I'd watch the shiat out of that.
 
2013-10-14 12:14:54 PM

Titanius Anglesmith: mjbok: bborchar: You've really given this a lot of thought, haven't you?

Actually it was the first thing that occurred to me when it happened.  Sure you can make a phone that can call anywhere, but anytime?

Wibbly-wobbly.. etc, etc.


^This.

/Timey-wimey
 
2013-10-14 12:19:22 PM

Confabulat: Was the first Doctor the first one for sure?




Yes. In the Five Doctors, the first Doctor asked the Fifth, how many Regenerationd he's done through since him. Davison responded: "four". The first said "Good lord, there's five versions of me,"
 
2013-10-14 12:23:32 PM
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This should provide adequate sustenance for the DVD re-count.
 
2013-10-14 12:26:45 PM

bborchar: Which Tardis does the phone call.


Sorta figured the Tardis did the call forwarding to whichever Doctor it would work for the best.
 
2013-10-14 12:27:33 PM

mjbok: Slightly off topic, but of the things in Nu-Who that have bothered me (and there's plenty) there is one thing I can't reconcile as making sense:  The time-phone.  The Doctor upgrades companions cellphones.  Beyond the obvious (if slightly silly) issues of potential roaming charges and people changing their phones every two years, there is a larger problem:  The concept doesn't work.

Even if you make the phone only work in the companions current time (can only call the Tardis during the present time) the concept falls apart, because as we have seen (many times) the Doctor (or different incarnations of the Doctor) are often present at the same point in time.  I'm not talking Three Doctors, Five Doctors, Two Doctors type things, I'm talking about the Doctor actually being around at the same place in time.  Take November 23rd, 1963.  We know at least two incarnations of the Doctor (1st and 7th) have been around the same time (and even the same general place).  Which Tardis does the phone call.

It's just a stupid idea.




No, it's The TARIDS controlling all calls, incoming and outgoing. She'll get the phone calls precisely where they need to go, from the "correct" doctor to the "right" eara.

As IDRIS said"I may not get you where you want to go, but I get you where you are needed."
 
2013-10-14 12:28:56 PM

Son of Thunder: Anderson's Pooper: Counting correctly I get 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, potato, etc.  Therefore Strax is the new Doctor!

So then, that should be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, psychotic potato.

[img.fark.net image 750x600]


Hadn't seen that image before!

"I'm the clever one.  You're the potato one."
 
2013-10-14 12:30:50 PM
So if we assume John Hurt is a regeneration somewhere in the past, that makes Matt Smith the Twelfth, and if we consider there are only 12 regenerations allowed, the new guy will be the last Time Lord. I bet that weighs on him a lot, until the writers figure a way out in 2017.
 
2013-10-14 12:30:57 PM

TonyDanza: bborchar: Which Tardis does the phone call.

Sorta figured the Tardis did the call forwarding to whichever Doctor it would work for the best.


Or it timestamps the phone with some variant of a unix time epoch (sidereal from the beginning of time), so it only calls forward in relative terms to the tardis that is in synch with its config.  Effectively the tardis in question would be sharing a one-time pad with the phone.
 
2013-10-14 12:31:47 PM
Couldn't he work around the regeneration limit by absorbing the soul of the Tardis and becoming Malcolm Merlyn?
 
2013-10-14 12:37:13 PM

Oysterman: Is Moffat using River's giving up of her regenerations to fudge the numbers?

Garaba: Not a huge stretch. The doctor has a 12 regeneration limit. So there can be 13 Doctors total, he did not regenerate into the first doctor. The new doctor and John Hurt will force the count to 13. Making the next doctor the last regeneration. Unless there is some kind of  Shenanigans, since this is doctor who, there will be Shenanigans.

12 doctors so far + the new doctor + John Hurt = 13 Doctors total?




There are only 11 doctors. He can regenerate 12 times, giving us 13 lives.

The question is where is William Hurt in all this? The Doctor is an adopted name. We are looking at 11 doctors, but one Regeneration was not the Doctor.
 
2013-10-14 12:37:37 PM

TonyDanza: Oysterman: 12 doctors so far + the new doctor + John Hurt = 13 Doctors total?

By no means am I an expert on the matter, but I thought Matt Smith was 11 (wiki has him as 11 also).


Whoops.  My bad.  (David TENnant),
 
2013-10-14 12:39:02 PM

Confabulat: So if we assume John Hurt is a regeneration somewhere in the past, that makes Matt Smith the Twelfth, and if we consider there are only 12 regenerations allowed, the new guy will be the last Time Lord. I bet that weighs on him a lot, until the writers figure a way out in 2017.




Everyone is assuming that Hurt was the a Time Lord during the Time Wa
 
2013-10-14 12:40:50 PM
Hartnell was Doctor #1, but he wasn't a regeneration. Troughton was the first regeneration. You could say calling Smith #11 counted William Hurt's doctor #9 all along.
 
2013-10-14 12:42:25 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Oysterman: Is Moffat using River's giving up of her regenerations to fudge the numbers?

Garaba: Not a huge stretch. The doctor has a 12 regeneration limit. So there can be 13 Doctors total, he did not regenerate into the first doctor. The new doctor and John Hurt will force the count to 13. Making the next doctor the last regeneration. Unless there is some kind of  Shenanigans, since this is doctor who, there will be Shenanigans.

12 doctors so far + the new doctor + John Hurt = 13 Doctors total?

There are only 11 doctors. He can regenerate 12 times, giving us 13 lives.

The question is where is William Hurt in all this? The Doctor is an adopted name. We are looking at 11 doctors, but one Regeneration was not the Doctor.


He was the Doctor...he just renounced the name "Doctor" because of the deeds he did.  Just because he doesn't go by his name doesn't mean he doesn't count as a regeneration.
 
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