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(Politicus USA)   Tea Party: "We're here to help Veterans with reopening their monuments." Veterans: "This isn't all about you, now GTFO"   (politicususa.com) divider line 114
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2013-10-14 05:20:09 AM  
I've been reading a lot of comments on military message boards and via active duty and veterans on twitter and there's a lot of anger over the tea party attempting to speak for the military.
 
2013-10-14 08:46:17 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: I've been reading a lot of comments on military message boards and via active duty and veterans on twitter and there's a lot of anger over the tea party attempting to speak for the military.


Sadly, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, most vets will still vote for whoever has the R next to their  names. Veterans are the shining example of a demographic that votes against their own self-interests.
 
2013-10-14 08:46:21 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: I've been reading a lot of comments on military message boards and via active duty and veterans on twitter and there's a lot of anger over the tea party attempting to speak for the military.


Good.
 
2013-10-14 08:46:45 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: I've been reading a lot of comments on military message boards and via active duty and veterans on twitter and there's a lot of anger over the tea party attempting to speak for the military.


Thank the good lord for that. Being deployed right now I feel like I'm in the middle of a derpstorm.

My LTC who has an MBA and a JD today posited that the counrry should run its budget like a household.
 
2013-10-14 08:47:08 AM  
Caring about the symbols of freedom more than those that served to protect freedom is the reason we have a suicide issue in the service and homeless vets.
 
2013-10-14 08:47:37 AM  
Wait, you're telling me the guy in a tricorner hat with teabags aadorning it and in confederate army garb riding around on a camo Hoveround isn't in the military?
 
2013-10-14 08:47:49 AM  
TP: Let me help you with what my child like governing ideas and fantasies based on the ramblings of some lady have created
 
2013-10-14 08:48:57 AM  
The 69th Hoveround Division has gone rogue. It's time to rein them in before they finish smearing their poop all over America.
 
2013-10-14 08:49:04 AM  
Put back the barricades to protect Walrus Team 6!
 
2013-10-14 08:49:18 AM  
I love how the Tea Party just assumes that they speak for the entire military, especially when it's their politicians who work to cut VA benefits and the such like.

/continue to see asinine pics on FB from my conservative friends about vets "standing up" to Obama shutting down war memorials
 
2013-10-14 08:49:53 AM  
"We take the official position that no government office holder shall have ability to abridge the freedom of access to these hallowed grounds. "

Hallowed ground ? HALLOWED. Ground ?

Don't you think you Americans have a problem with the deification of everything military ?
 
2013-10-14 08:50:12 AM  

spcMike: Thank the good lord for that. Being deployed right now I feel like I'm in the middle of a derpstorm.

My LTC who has an MBA and a JD today posited that the counrry should run its budget like a household.


That's weird... usually it's senior NCOs who get on their Fox News-fueled soapboxes. Officers are generally split 50/50 R/D, so they tend to keep quiet about political matters.

(clicks profile) Oh. Texas.

Well, hopefully your command doesn't prevent you from having a safe mobilization.
 
2013-10-14 08:51:17 AM  
It's so weird that people who have actually sacrificed for this country don't want to be associated with people who think descent is the highest form of patriotic.
 
2013-10-14 08:51:47 AM  
The people who tore down the barricades and dumped them on the White House lawn should be prosecuted for vandalizing federal government property and trespassing.

Laws are laws, even if you hide behind veterans to score political points.

Cruz, Lee, and Palin can go to hell.
 
2013-10-14 08:52:00 AM  

clkeagle: CPT Ethanolic: I've been reading a lot of comments on military message boards and via active duty and veterans on twitter and there's a lot of anger over the tea party attempting to speak for the military.

Sadly, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, most vets will still vote for whoever has the R next to their  names. Veterans are the shining example of a demographic that votes against their own self-interests.


do you have any statistics on that? I know tons of vets who vote for democrats. active duty I agree, but then they get out into the real world.

/anecdotes are a kind of evidence
 
2013-10-14 08:53:22 AM  

chuggernaught: Caring about the symbols of freedom more than those that served to protect freedom is the reason we have a suicide issue in the service and homeless vets.


You should see the redlit threads on this subject.  When discussing the fact that while National Guardsmen are being screwed, and actual veterans' benefits are being shutdown, while these idiots are grandstanding about closed memorials, a few Teabaggers on Fark have decided the obvious rebuttal is to....post more pictures of the closed memorials.
 
2013-10-14 08:53:39 AM  
"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."

"If the day should ever come when we must go, if some day we are compelled to leave the scene of history, we will slam the door so hard that the universe will shake and mankind will stand back in stupefaction.."

"We shall go down in history as the greatest statesmen of all time,or as the greatest criminals"

Just some handy quotes from Joseph Goebbels that seem apt for the situation at hand.

/Nazi propaganda minister, for those who didn't know.
 
2013-10-14 08:54:03 AM  
Buh...buh...buh...demmikrats is soff on duhfense!!!!!
 
2013-10-14 08:54:31 AM  
Republicans suddenly care so much about veterans when they can have a photo-op moving barriers at the memorials, but in the past have always screwed veterans on getting medical and mental healthcare, getting benefits when they are crippled in combat, and taking away assistance to help them get an education and a job. Glad to see vets telling the tea party to fark off.
 
2013-10-14 08:54:32 AM  

clkeagle: CPT Ethanolic: I've been reading a lot of comments on military message boards and via active duty and veterans on twitter and there's a lot of anger over the tea party attempting to speak for the military.

Sadly, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, most vets will still vote for whoever has the R next to their  names. Veterans are the shining example of a demographic that votes against their own self-interests.


Much like African Americans.
 
2013-10-14 08:54:41 AM  
So is this not the official site of the event and just some Tea Party hijack?

http://vetmarch.com/
 
2013-10-14 08:55:24 AM  
The reopen the damned government.  Pay veterans benefits.  Take current and former military with government jobs off of furlough.

The monuments is the the most ridiculously transparent photo-op crap you can imagine.
 
2013-10-14 08:56:37 AM  
They're wrong, of course. This debacle is all about the Tea Party.
 
2013-10-14 08:57:02 AM  
I can't figure out why Democrats have sat on the sidelines of this and let the GOP/Tea Party steer the narrative?  Why aren't they (and their supporters) out on the mall explaining the real reason why the monuments are closed?
 
2013-10-14 08:57:26 AM  

spcMike: CPT Ethanolic: I've been reading a lot of comments on military message boards and via active duty and veterans on twitter and there's a lot of anger over the tea party attempting to speak for the military.

Thank the good lord for that. Being deployed right now I feel like I'm in the middle of a derpstorm.

My LTC who has an MBA and a JD today posited that the counrry should run its budget like a household.


I too think the country should be run like a household.
And if you're family is spending more than it brings in, and if cutting out everything than just the absolute essentials still won't make ends meet - then that means that someone has to get a second job and raise the family's revenue.
 
2013-10-14 08:58:13 AM  
I'd like to point out that TFA is based on the the public statement made by the veterans group about as much as the fark headline is on TFA.
 
2013-10-14 08:59:39 AM  
Can't wait for the inevitable followup about how vandalism has destroyed our national monuments.
 
2013-10-14 08:59:42 AM  

GoldSpider: I can't figure out why Democrats have sat on the sidelines of this and let the GOP/Tea Party steer the narrative?  Why aren't they (and their supporters) out on the mall explaining the real reason why the monuments are closed?


They have enough class to not use these people as political props.
 
2013-10-14 08:59:59 AM  
The fact that we are discussing this and that we will have 20 more greenlit submissions about barrycades means that the Republicans have won and, yet again, managed to control the talking points and press coverage.
Democrats suck at managing communications. Perhaps get Mark Penn back or something.
 
2013-10-14 09:00:00 AM  

GoldSpider: I can't figure out why Democrats have sat on the sidelines of this and let the GOP/Tea Party steer the narrative?  Why aren't they (and their supporters) out on the mall explaining the real reason why the monuments are closed?


the only people who "steer the narrative" is the media. and their narrative is "there's a lot of blame to go around" and then the latest from twitter. and even then most people still know who's to blame, that's why the GOPs approval rating is at an all time low.
 
2013-10-14 09:00:27 AM  

b0rg9: So is this not the official site of the event and just some Tea Party hijack?

http://vetmarch.com/



Domain Name: VETMARCH.COM
Registrant Name: Lawrence Ward
Registrant Organization: Political Media, Inc.
Registrant Street: 406 First Street SE
Registrant Street: Third Floor
Registrant City: Washington
Registrant State/Province: District of Columbia

Gonna go out on a limb and say "astroturf."
 
2013-10-14 09:00:30 AM  

GoldSpider: I can't figure out why Democrats have sat on the sidelines of this and let the GOP/Tea Party steer the narrative?  Why aren't they (and their supporters) out on the mall explaining the real reason why the monuments are closed?


I would fear that it would only add more weight or attention to the distraction and not the problem.  That's a tough call, though.
 
2013-10-14 09:03:02 AM  
It's funny that a veterans group wrote such a wimpy and passive aggressive statement.
 
2013-10-14 09:03:05 AM  
They are there to provide a distraction. Every story about these "FREEEEEEDOM!" fighters, is one less that covers the ACTUAL effects of this shutdown. It is one less story about mine safety going unchecked, one less story about medical trials suspended, one less story about benefits being cut to families of vets, actual work within National Parks going undone that will cost a great deal more to fix, food safety that is being put on hold, and investigations that are being put aside, because they're "non-essential" but will still cost taxpayers a fair chunk of change. EVERY one of these Brave Patriots who are stepping up to "defend" the "rights" of their fellow citizens, is a distraction, and a calculated one, that is supposed to eat up column inches so that actual news that might get folks fired up about the shutdown. It gets folks mired down in discussion of a red herring topic that captures some ire, but is designed, much like the gun control debate, to keep folks from looking at the very real problems we face--because if we actually looked at the fallout of this mess, we might just be getting angry at the folks who have caused it...
 
2013-10-14 09:03:10 AM  

Karac: And if you're family is spending more than it brings in, and if cutting out everything than just the absolute essentials still won't make ends meet - then that means that someone has to get a second job and raise the family's revenue.


I concur with this idea that legalizing child labor would be a great solution to our current woes.
 
2013-10-14 09:03:32 AM  

hinten: The fact that we are discussing this and that we will have 20 more greenlit submissions about barrycades means that the Republicans have won and, yet again, managed to control the talking points and press coverage.
Democrats suck at managing communications. Perhaps get Mark Penn back or something.


That shiat is playing well in the conservative media ecosystem, which is a closed loop.
 
2013-10-14 09:04:14 AM  

log_jammin: clkeagle: CPT Ethanolic: I've been reading a lot of comments on military message boards and via active duty and veterans on twitter and there's a lot of anger over the tea party attempting to speak for the military.

Sadly, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, most vets will still vote for whoever has the R next to their  names. Veterans are the shining example of a demographic that votes against their own self-interests.

do you have any statistics on that? I know tons of vets who vote for democrats. active duty I agree, but then they get out into the real world.

/anecdotes are a kind of evidence


Can't find any accurate polls on the subject. I'm gussing your anecdotal evidence is based on interactions with Iraq/Afghanistan vets? They are split somewhat closer to the middle (based on my probably-larger-than-your anecodotal sampling), but Cold War and earlier vets are still overwhelmingly Republican.

When we get back to regular federal spending bills instead of CRs, I'd love to see the military Pay & Allowances appropriation voted on separately from the Operations & Maintenance portion. Then we would see who actually "supports the troops" vs who is just trying to line the pockets of defense industry executives.

padraig: Don't you think you Americans have a problem with the deification of everything military ?


I'm going to say no for one (lousy and self-serving) reason only - deification has made it politically impossible for Republicans to make the sweeping cuts to military benefits and retirements that they want to make. But they are still openly targetting TRICARE premiums for vets... talk about getting what you vote for.
 
2013-10-14 09:04:34 AM  

clkeagle: spcMike: Thank the good lord for that. Being deployed right now I feel like I'm in the middle of a derpstorm.

My LTC who has an MBA and a JD today posited that the counrry should run its budget like a household.

That's weird... usually it's senior NCOs who get on their Fox News-fueled soapboxes. Officers are generally split 50/50 R/D, so they tend to keep quiet about political matters.

(clicks profile) Oh. Texas.

Well, hopefully your command doesn't prevent you from having a safe mobilization.


I'll agree with this sentiment.  Most liberals in the military are pretty quiet about it, but if you want to find one look for a lower enlisted without a dental profile or an officer that generally keeps to himself and isn't a bloviating douchebag.
 
2013-10-14 09:05:31 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Wait, you're telling me the guy in a tricorner hat with teabags adorning it and in confederate army garb riding around on a camo Hoveround isn't never served in the military?


FTFY
 
2013-10-14 09:06:42 AM  

chuggernaught: Caring about the symbols of freedom more than those that served to protect freedom is the reason we have a suicide issue in the service and homeless vets.


i121.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-14 09:08:08 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: They have enough class to not use these people as political props.


Like the Sandy Hook parents.  Let's not pretend that one side is above timely political theater.

log_jammin: and even then most people still know who's to blame, that's why the GOPs approval rating is at an all time low.


True, though I'd wager that sentiment won't entirely be reflected in the midterm elections next year.

Diogenes: I would fear that it would only add more weight or attention to the distraction and not the problem. That's a tough call, though.


Definitely a fine line to tread.  It just seems that the Tea Party narrative, despite it's tenuous relationship with the truth/reality, is going almost completely unopposed by anyone not in the Obama administration.
 
2013-10-14 09:08:13 AM  
Maybe we can get funding for national military monuments included in the VHA funding where they fund it a year in advance so those sites are never held hostage again. We got it for VHA, pretty sure we could get a bipartisan bill passed after this nonsense is over. I'll ask my Senator. I suggest you ask yours.
 
2013-10-14 09:08:46 AM  

GoldSpider: I can't figure out why Democrats have sat on the sidelines of this and let the GOP/Tea Party steer the narrative?  Why aren't they (and their supporters) out on the mall explaining the real reason why the monuments are closed?


Because Democrats aren't crazy, usually try to compromise, come to and share terms, try to engage in discussion, and only then lead them down the garden path.

It's hard to be a jingoistic prick when you're trying to understand why a group of people are all claiming that fences have been placed around a memorial are part of the UN plot to take away their lead-cell hoveround batteries and replace them with solar cells.

Making the sophistry that usually works with Democrats work with the Teahadii is akin to building a gingerbread house on the ocean floor.
 
2013-10-14 09:09:12 AM  
Eligibility Cuts for Jobless Workers Could Affect 170,000 Low-Income Veterans

Memorials - super important.
Actual needed aid - whatevs.
 
2013-10-14 09:10:23 AM  
fta To self-promoters like ____________________, veterans are nothing more than props to be used for political and financial gain, and they have proud to have tarnished our nation's veterans with their selfish extremism.

Fill in the blank.
A) Palin and Cruz
B) Westboro Baptist Church
 
2013-10-14 09:10:29 AM  

clkeagle: CPT Ethanolic: I've been reading a lot of comments on military message boards and via active duty and veterans on twitter and there's a lot of anger over the tea party attempting to speak for the military.

Sadly, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, most vets will still vote for whoever has the R next to their  names. Veterans are the shining example of a demographic that votes against their own self-interests.


I used to think that too. But I got curious after the 2012 election and I checked out the election results for my state by county. The counties with military bases in or near them went blue, even though this is a thoroughly red state. There may be other factors at work here, but it's likely that a bunch of military folks weren't voting for Rmoney. We sure as shiat didn't.
 
2013-10-14 09:10:45 AM  

GoldSpider: I can't figure out why Democrats have sat on the sidelines of this and let the GOP/Tea Party steer the narrative?  Why aren't they (and their supporters) out on the mall explaining the real reason why the monuments are closed?


For some reason the Dems seem to think the voters are intelligent enough to add up 1 + 1 (where the Tea-party planned and implemented the shut-down as an attempt to get rid of the ACA and are now getting the govt shut-down and complaining about it)

//the public is not that smart and most will just take on their party's story without questioning the logic.
 
2013-10-14 09:10:47 AM  
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2013-10-14 09:11:01 AM  
Nemo's Brother: Much like African Americans.

Right, they should vote for Republicans...oh wait, Republicans made it hard for them to vote.

Seriously, you lying racist troll, seriously, why would African American vote for people like you, racists who hate them? Why would they do that?
 
2013-10-14 09:11:13 AM  

GoldSpider: Like the Sandy Hook parents.  Let's not pretend that one side is above timely political theater.


The Sandy Hook parents actively became involved. That's completely different than this.
 
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