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2013-10-14 08:42:13 AM
I hope law enforcement realizes that they only truly catch the dumbest mother farkers with these things, the truly smart just have the girls come to them not go to them.

.....not that I know anything about that

*shifty eyes
 
2013-10-14 08:57:31 AM
FTA:Deconfliction has grown in importance over the last few years; so many agencies now run stings that the chances of a suspect talking to several different police agencies at once are non-trivial.

And these dumbfarks still walk into the traps.
 
2013-10-14 09:05:59 AM
These stories leave no one to root for.
 
2013-10-14 09:09:03 AM
I smell sex and candy.
 
2013-10-14 09:14:28 AM
"Chatroom" sting?  Is it still 1996 and I dreamed the last 18 years?

/serious question: people still use chatrooms?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-14 09:16:45 AM
One of the leading cases on the entrapment defense came when the federal child porn law was new. Postal inspectors got a customer list and tried to get customers to buy the newly illegal product. They kept sending their target catalogs until he finally gave in. The Supreme Court called that entrapment. (wikilink)

Prosecutors know that most defendants will plead guilty for a lesser sentence rather than offer an affirmative defense and risk two or three times the prison term. They have little incentive to ask law enforcement to go after guilty people.
 
2013-10-14 09:17:35 AM

AliceBToklasLives: "Chatroom" sting?  Is it still 1996 and I dreamed the last 18 years?

/serious question: people still use chatrooms?


Apparently, the police haven't caught on that it's easier trolling facebook and myspace for underage girls with misplaced trust, abusive lives, daddy issues, and looking for any affirmation of love.

......allegedly
 
2013-10-14 09:18:20 AM
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2013-10-14 09:22:17 AM
It sounds like government funded perv-on-perv chatting. It's not normal behavior for an adult man to want to role play as a 14 yr old girl trying to get the attention of another man. I'm pretty sure there was a time when that was a crime, too. Not sure who's protecting/molesting who. Weird.
 
2013-10-14 09:27:14 AM
I've been scammed by stupid cops doing this.
Told this alleged 15-year-old to fark off and go play with "her" friends.
Some kind of Yahoo chat thing, back when I still used it years ago.
 
2013-10-14 09:27:48 AM
One of my relatives worked as a court reporter.  One of the cases she worked on was one of these stings.

The guy was from out of the country and was just looking to talk.  He even said that numerous times during the chat.  The cop basically egged him on and implied that he was gay if he wasn't interested in sex with the non-existent underage girl.

The guy was appealing the sentence and I don't know the outcome of his case, but it sounded a lot like this one where they keep pushing until they get an incriminating statement and then they push for the meeting.  Also, there was another case of a morbidly obese guy that couldn't leave his bed.  They had to go to his house to arrest him, the sheriff said without any sense of irony, that they got another predator off the streets.

Taskforces get a lot of fed money and they have to show arrests.  These are the easiest kind of enforcement since they have an almost 100% conviction rate and almost everyone pleads out.

\CSB
 
2013-10-14 09:29:15 AM
I don't know, I'm not all knowing, but if that conversation started up on craigs list, the first thought about a 14 year old sister should be......NO.  Then after dwelling on that for twenty minutes, the second thought would "I wonder if that was the cops."

/then you gotta think.....shiat, now do I need to report this?  Because if it's the cops.........
 
2013-10-14 09:29:30 AM
Do they train these officers to chat like underage teenage girls?
 
2013-10-14 09:32:48 AM

miss diminutive: Do they train these officers to chat like underage teenage girls?


OMFG!!11 Like, I mean, like how would they know, like, you know, like how they talk.
jk.
 
2013-10-14 09:35:56 AM
Rule 29: In the internet all girls are men and all kids are undercover FBI agents.
 
2013-10-14 09:41:02 AM
Don't say anything online that you wouldn't say in front of a Judge and jury.

"fark you, you wig-wearing old pervert!!!" - YoOjo, 2013.
 
2013-10-14 09:42:52 AM

vudukungfu: miss diminutive: Do they train these officers to chat like underage teenage girls?

OMFG!!11 Like, I mean, like how would they know, like, you know, like how they talk.
jk.


idk, they talked to my bff jill?
 
2013-10-14 09:43:36 AM

miss diminutive: Do they train these officers to chat like underage teenage girls?


Yes.

I used to work for my university's continuing education / adult education program.

This was back in the '90s, (Yes, I'm old) when smaller departments didn't have Uncle Sugar (DHS) throwing money at them, and high speed internet didn't go most places yet.

We had two computer labs, (Pentium 90s, baby!) which would be filled most evenings with police officers - either getting training on how to do this, or doing actual stings. I saw some of the course materials they left behind, and it included bits on communicating like a teenager.
 
2013-10-14 09:44:43 AM
Rules of the internet 101:

1. There are no women on the internet

2. Underage women on the internet are cops.
 
2013-10-14 09:49:19 AM
In 2011, 43-year-old Army veteran Edwin "Trey" Gennette lived just outside Pensacola, Florida, with a pet possum and a talking Ford Mustang

Throw in Meagan Mullaney as the sassy land lord who doesn't know about the talking Mustang and you got yourself a pretty good sit com.
 
2013-10-14 09:51:33 AM

dv-ous: miss diminutive: Do they train these officers to chat like underage teenage girls?

Yes.

I used to work for my university's continuing education / adult education program.

This was back in the '90s, (Yes, I'm old) when smaller departments didn't have Uncle Sugar (DHS) throwing money at them, and high speed internet didn't go most places yet.

We had two computer labs, (Pentium 90s, baby!) which would be filled most evenings with police officers - either getting training on how to do this, or doing actual stings. I saw some of the course materials they left behind, and it included bits on communicating like a teenager.


Wow, can't say I'm surprised though. I used to chat on yahoo in my early-mid teens and the room was always full of perverts. I should've just worked for the local police, it would've paid more than babysitting.
 
2013-10-14 09:52:36 AM
Was I supposed to feel sorry for this guy? No matter how they tried to warm and fuzzy him up and how he was hedging his bets he was talking about banging a 14 year old. Maybe it's just that I have a teen daughter myself but I'm OK with that sting.

I'm sure there are times when the cops go too far (like the other poster mentioned about the guy too obese to leave the house, obviously he was just indulging in fantasy he could never follow through with) but this wasn't it. Yeah. hardly the most dangerous predator out there but a predator none the less
 
2013-10-14 09:52:41 AM
miss diminutive


Do they train these officers to chat like underage teenage girls?

I bet a few of these cops are living out a fetish they have.
 
2013-10-14 10:01:48 AM
I just read this story and the story (3 slots down) about the girl who was raped and - thereafter - terrorised by the town where the rapist happened to be the son of a prominent local politico

and it makes you think the world (or, at least the US) has gone completely nuts, totally farking nutso
 
2013-10-14 10:19:56 AM

Digitalstrange: Was I supposed to feel sorry for this guy? No matter how they tried to warm and fuzzy him up and how he was hedging his bets he was talking about banging a 14 year old. Maybe it's just that I have a teen daughter myself but I'm OK with that sting.

I'm sure there are times when the cops go too far (like the other poster mentioned about the guy too obese to leave the house, obviously he was just indulging in fantasy he could never follow through with) but this wasn't it. Yeah. hardly the most dangerous predator out there but a predator none the less


What I read before TL;DR set in, he could argue he was planning to get his foot in the door by playing daddy to both, then wedge them apart over the course of the night so he could lock the bedroom door and bang the hell out of the legal one while the underage one slept on the couch.  Everybody knows she'd be asleep from the wine coolers by 9 anyway.

And if there seems like there is anything wrong with that, you obviously have no idea what efforts and practices have proven not only successful, but necessary to get laid on the first date on the cheap.
 
2013-10-14 10:29:42 AM
Wish they would put the same efforts into stopping / finding folks who are out committing crimes on their own without being enticed

But..I guess when you get the perps to come to you..more time for donuts

images.moviepostershop.com
 
2013-10-14 10:34:11 AM
Appropriate story for today.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-14 10:40:31 AM
Must be really big business -- 30 LEOs in a rented house. At $100,000 each guessing, that's quite an industry with a business model better than a penny stock market boiler room.

When the IT guys figure out they can broadcast emails with "attachments" that respond automatically, they can dispense with much of the labor intensive typing and just do mass roundups, evidence in hand.

Scalia was happy to say he knows nothing about technology like most judges, so once the "entrapment" judges are compromised the sky's the limit.
 
2013-10-14 10:42:58 AM

Digitalstrange: Was I supposed to feel sorry for this guy? No matter how they tried to warm and fuzzy him up and how he was hedging his bets he was talking about banging a 14 year old. Maybe it's just that I have a teen daughter myself but I'm OK with that sting.

I'm sure there are times when the cops go too far (like the other poster mentioned about the guy too obese to leave the house, obviously he was just indulging in fantasy he could never follow through with) but this wasn't it. Yeah. hardly the most dangerous predator out there but a predator none the less


That was my reaction, too (and I don't have a teen daughter). I'm sure cops go too far sometimes, but that wasn't a good example of it.
 
2013-10-14 10:59:46 AM

kendelrio: 1. There are no women on the internet


There are lots of lonely 30-somethings with ticking biological clocks. Maybe not as hot as slutty teens, but they'll fark you, cook you dinner, and then fark you again in the desperate hope that you'll come back for a second date. If you like chubby middle aged action, the internet is a wonderful place. The teens that want to fark you are always cops (who will really fark you over).
 
2013-10-14 11:01:48 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: miss diminutive


Do they train these officers to chat like underage teenage girls?

I bet a few of these cops are living out a fetish they have.

 
2013-10-14 11:35:57 AM
Most of these 'stings' rely on the 'victim' being afraid of having his face and name smeared all over the media if he dares fight back against the officers authoritae.

/It is extremely fun to get on a board and gently egg some dumbass on and have him show his truly nasty side.

//It is a corruption of justice for the police to play the part of providing a crime to be committed to your victim. Let him/her put out the signs of crime first before enticing out their inner beast.

The articles picture: Whoever the females may be(unless they are paid to provide the pictures), if the police used their images for 'fun times' they have a case to sue the police for theft of images and character, etc.
 
2013-10-14 11:43:26 AM
Well I only read the first page and a half of the article but it seemed to me that the guy didn't set out to fark a 14 year old. Looks like the "older sis" pushed awfully damn hard to get him to commit to it but he never came right out and said he wanted to fark the younger one. He might have planned on getting the older sister in bed and blowing off the younger one once he arrived.
 
2013-10-14 11:50:11 AM
"There will be some innocent victims in this fight against Fascist agents perverts.  We are launching a major attack on the Enemy; let there be no resentment if we bump someone with an elbow. Better that ten innocent people should suffer than one spy pervert get away. When you chop wood, chips fly."

--- Nikolai Yezhov
 
2013-10-14 12:03:24 PM
There will probably come a time when a cop ends up chatting with another cop. Wonder how that arrest will go.
 
2013-10-14 12:34:25 PM
Don't feel sorry for the guy at all.  Once "she" mentioned a 14 year old, the conversation ends.  It's kind of sad that this article was greenlighted and used as an aid to teach pedophiles what specific language and actions they should take to avoid prosecution.
 
2013-10-14 12:36:51 PM

Katolu: There will probably come a time when a cop ends up chatting with another cop. Wonder how that arrest will go.


Mutually jacking off to their chat logs?
 
2013-10-14 01:15:53 PM

Katolu: There will probably come a time when a cop ends up chatting with another cop. Wonder how that arrest will go.


Two weeks of paid leave.
 
2013-10-14 02:32:07 PM

sammyk: FTA:Deconfliction has grown in importance over the last few years; so many agencies now run stings that the chances of a suspect talking to several different police agencies at once are non-trivial.

And these dumbfarks still walk into the traps.


I wonder how often different agencies end up talking to each other?
 
2013-10-14 02:57:32 PM
One of these days I expect that both parties in the sting operation will be undercover police trying to catch a predator.
 
2013-10-14 04:06:18 PM
I just want to point out the story two lines down about the raped 14-year old girl as counterpoint to this one, and present the two as proof of how irrevocably farked our society has become at handling crimes of underage and/or non-consensual sex.
 
2013-10-14 04:06:24 PM

Ker_Thwap: Don't feel sorry for the guy at all.  Once "she" mentioned a 14 year old, the conversation ends.  It's kind of sad that this article was greenlighted and used as an aid to teach pedophiles what specific language and actions they should take to avoid prosecution.


From the little details we have on the case it seems like the "specific language" needed is nothing at all because he never really indicated he was going to do anything with the minor.

That is the very definition of entrapment as the judge stated.  They even went as far as to berate him when he showed reluctance.  Actually how the whole thing starts in most of these is pretty much entrapment:  Offering "w(woman)4m" and then indicating it is someone under age after the fact.

And $300K bail?  Wtf?
 
2013-10-14 05:08:54 PM
What if one day a 13 year old is posing as a 40 year old and goes to a police sting. What happens then?
 
2013-10-14 05:47:35 PM
When looking for a sex partner online, the moment they introduce a legally underage girl, go call them out. "Ok, that's it, fark you, this is an entrapment you quota filling cops!"
 
2013-10-14 05:50:22 PM
Had what I think was a cop solicit me back in the MySpace days when I was in college. Got super explicit within about 15 minutes and I just put the "girl" on ignore.

If it was a real girl it was the saddest most damaged girl I ever talked to.
 
2013-10-14 08:11:35 PM
...They keep going even after finding out an underaged girl is involved, clearly showing they're disgusting as well as stupid. Why sympathy again?

I would also only believe this was entrapment if there was no possible way the men could pause their sex drive once they found out the situation was obviously a setup like that. Think with the little head and face the consequences.
 
2013-10-14 08:17:31 PM

groppet: What if one day a 13 year old is posing as a 40 year old and goes to a police sting. What happens then?


Here's the short version:

1. Girl says she's 21 and has ID that says that she's 21 and she looks 21 so you believe it. Girl is really 15. You are farked because it doesn't matter what you believe, only the facts matter.

2. You're chatting with a girl that says that she's 15 and that acts 15 so you believe it. Girl is really a 40 year old guy. You are farked because it doesn't matter what the facts are, only what you believed does.

You will be farked either way because they get to choose option 1 or option 2.
 
2013-10-14 09:37:51 PM
So if you're cruising "casual encounters" and your "horny" sexual partner blatantly says they're 14 years old, you're definitely sting-bait.
 
2013-10-14 10:30:25 PM
"No, Your Honor, I intended to meet a law enforcement officer posing as a 14-year-old. For sex."
 
2013-10-14 11:33:27 PM

jst3p: Katolu: There will probably come a time when a cop ends up chatting with another cop. Wonder how that arrest will go.

Two weeks of paid leave.


Together.

Anyway. Everybody who knows who I am knows how I stand on this.

I just want to commend the police in these localities for having solved their local crime problems so thoroughly that they have plenty of time, energy, personnel and money to advertise for non-local criminals via the Internet. Thanks to them eventually every potential "pervert" in the USA will be behind bars; then they can get back to advertising as "hit men" and clean up that sector, etc. etc. etc. It can't be easy and it'll get harder: imagine, for example, the size of the mall they'd have to build to "sting" America's shoplifters.

Yes indeed, I look forward to Florida being a humongous crime vortex that sucks every possible felony from the rest of the Universe.
 
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