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2013-10-14 08:38:16 AM  
Why sad? Banksy isn't exactly a household name, people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art, and the streets of New York aren't exactly a prominent arthouse.

Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

But then, at the end of the day it's not about money, is it? It's about making some dumb point.
 
2013-10-14 08:38:56 AM  
Sad?  That sounds about right.  It's not like his work is even up to the "Velvet Elvis" level of talent.
 
2013-10-14 08:40:34 AM  
Not sure what he's trying to proof other then how much of the art world relies on perception and marketing to valuate their products, putting an otherwise renown artist on a street corner hocking his wares and surprise surprise no one feels they're worth anything and unwilling to pay what his marketing campaign has traditionally insisted they should be worth.  This isn't some profound statement, this is economics 101.
 
2013-10-14 09:31:54 AM  
But people said that car he spray painted was not ruined, and was now worth millions.
 
2013-10-14 09:42:50 AM  
Americans don't know what the fark a Banksy is.
 
2013-10-14 09:44:48 AM  
This just in, nobody ever cared what Banksy was spray-painting, they cared that he was spray-painting it on someone else's stuff because that's so "edgy" and "dangerous".

Tagging is to art as a Che t-shirt is to political discourse.
 
2013-10-14 09:45:06 AM  
This Banksy adoration mainstreaming shiat has gone too far.  If people want to get into underground art appreciation there are oodles of great stuff out there.  Go feed a starving artist.
 
2013-10-14 09:46:37 AM  
Man, Banksy is a troll's troll.
 
2013-10-14 09:47:51 AM  

skozlaw: This just in, nobody ever cared what Banksy was spray-painting, they cared that he was spray-painting it on someone else's stuff because that's so "edgy" and "dangerous".

Tagging is to art as a Che t-shirt is to political discourse.


classes.design.ucla.edu
 
2013-10-14 09:49:17 AM  
I can photocopy, x-acto and spraypaint, too.

I wish I'd thought to put them all together.
 
2013-10-14 09:50:18 AM  
That guy is Banksy?
 
2013-10-14 09:50:26 AM  
The value of art is weird and fickle and depends almost entirely on perception and fashion.
 
2013-10-14 09:50:31 AM  

Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.


Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.
 
2013-10-14 09:50:41 AM  
Banksy?  $420?  Fools and their money....
 
2013-10-14 09:51:10 AM  

Fubini: ...people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art

...

I imagine they just walked by and snapped a pic of his graffiti with their phones. His art by nature is disrespectful so I would expect anyone actually interested in it to just go ahead and steal it.
 
2013-10-14 09:51:13 AM  
Stan Lee looked got to kiss the chick, so that was sort of a win.
 
2013-10-14 09:52:28 AM  
Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.
 
2013-10-14 09:53:06 AM  
Who cares?
 
2013-10-14 09:53:14 AM  
A group of men have allegedly begun charging up to $20 (£12.50) to view Banksy's latest graffiti artwork in East New York.
Just ten days into his month-long residency on the streets of New York, Banksy's works have been ruined by jealous rivals, sprayed with artless tags and even completely painted over.
But his latest piece, which shows a small beaver gnawing on a felled 'No Parking' sign, has been covered up with cardboard by enterprising locals who are now charging Banksy-loving visitors money to see it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/new-yorkers -c harging-tourists-20-to-view-new-banksy-graffiti-work-8874134.html



that speaks volumes about it right there....
 
2013-10-14 09:53:31 AM  
He was trolling. The point is, art is up to interpretation and since there were no signs that said, "HEY INTERNET, THIS IS BANKSYS STUFF!11!!!!," None of his usual demographic gave two shiats, because it is what it is. Stupid, overly produced hot-topic esque spray art. Well done, Banksy.
 
2013-10-14 09:54:10 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.


Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.
 
2013-10-14 09:54:50 AM  

lennavan: Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.


It sure says something about Banksy's art.
 
2013-10-14 09:55:29 AM  
lennavan:
Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.

This is nothing new. There are loads on instances where a piece of art was thought to be by a famous painter and then a hundred years later something came up to indicate it was either by a student of theirs, their wife or a forger. Nothing about the skill involved in creating the work changed, nothing about the imagery, colors or content changed, and yet in an instant it went from being worth millions to being a worthless oddity in a collection.
 
2013-10-14 09:56:30 AM  
 
2013-10-14 09:56:59 AM  

lennavan: Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.


Art's value is what you can convince people who buy art how much they should pay for it. The actual quality of the work is incidental.
 
2013-10-14 09:57:39 AM  

lennavan: Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.


That's kind of the point of Banksy.  At least his earlier stuff.  And say what you will about skill, he forced a dialogue that needed to be forced.

my.opera.com
 
2013-10-14 09:58:12 AM  
I honestly have no idea what a Banksy is.
 
2013-10-14 10:00:21 AM  
Y'all got some Kinkade?
 
2013-10-14 10:00:28 AM  
The price of something is what the last person is willing to pay for it.
 
2013-10-14 10:07:01 AM  
If a street vendor was pushing Gucci purses for $60,you wouldn't think you hit it big. A gallery you would expect it to be vetted.

Other than that, he has a humorous and well crafted approach to his art.
 
2013-10-14 10:07:10 AM  

lennavan: Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.


Or it says that the 'value' in Banksy is the notoriety, not the quality of the 'art' in question.
 
2013-10-14 10:07:28 AM  

SurelyShirley: Y'all got some Kinkade?


michaelmay.us
 
2013-10-14 10:09:39 AM  
I was thinking Banksy would be a bit younger, more spry, to be able to spray on some of the sites he's done.

That guy looks like he'd have trouble getting the cap off the spray can.
 
2013-10-14 10:11:12 AM  
It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.
 
2013-10-14 10:11:24 AM  
call obama. sounds like we need another banksy bailout...
 
2013-10-14 10:13:47 AM  
People could give a shiat about the art, they want to be the one that found it.
 
2013-10-14 10:16:48 AM  
static.flickr.com
 
2013-10-14 10:17:12 AM  
Not sure how this is sad. Street art vendors would be thrilled to take in 420 daily.
 
2013-10-14 10:18:35 AM  

mbillips: Man, Banksy is a troll's troll.


Target Builder: The value of art is weird and fickle and depends almost entirely on perception and fashion.


There's a cool Banksy movie on Netflix called "Exit Through The Gift Shop" that deals with exactly these things. My wife watches it with her Art Appreciation classes every semester and the students tend to love it.
 
2013-10-14 10:22:47 AM  
Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.
 
2013-10-14 10:25:53 AM  

sxacho: mbillips: Man, Banksy is a troll's troll.

Target Builder: The value of art is weird and fickle and depends almost entirely on perception and fashion.

There's a cool Banksy movie on Netflix called "Exit Through The Gift Shop" that deals with exactly these things. My wife watches it with her Art Appreciation classes every semester and the students tend to love it.


Came here to recommend this. Leaving satisfied someone else already had.
 
2013-10-14 10:26:48 AM  
Give me some well-placed lines and splotches on a rectangular canvas any day
 
2013-10-14 10:28:50 AM  
Know someone else who is golden for his use of spray paint?
 
2013-10-14 10:29:47 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.


It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.
 
2013-10-14 10:30:44 AM  

tb tibbles: If a street vendor was pushing Gucci purses for $60,you wouldn't think you hit it big. A gallery you would expect it to be vetted.

Other than that, he has a humorous and well crafted approach to his art.


yeah, i was going to say something along these lines

If someone on the street was selling rolex watches, i would not pay the manufacturer's suggested retail price.
 
2013-10-14 10:30:56 AM  
I fail to appreciate the haters. Sure he's trolling, but he's a very good artist making a point. Which is also art. I would like to believe that, had I been walking by that day, I would have recognized his work and become a millionaire for a few hundred bucks.

R. MUTT
 
2013-10-14 10:33:51 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.


Not exactly true. But yes, I also thought of that video.

lennavan: Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.



Yet an original and an imitation aren't in fact "the same painting." Doesn't seem sad that the value of an artwork being informed by the purchaser's understanding of what the artwork *is* rather than what it resembles.

Particularly if a sidewalk vendor seems to be cashing in on an artist's recent publicity with forgeries, the proceeds of which will not benefit the artist.

/not really a fan, but I'd like to think I might have stopped and asked a couple of questions of the guy
 
2013-10-14 10:33:57 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.


Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.
 
2013-10-14 10:34:08 AM  
Andy farking Warhol singlehandedly murdered art. And made a pretty picture using the skin to sell to a multinational corporation for their brochures.
 
2013-10-14 10:36:53 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.



I'd feel like this:

cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-10-14 10:37:06 AM  
I thought there was a VIDEO tag. Who is namely?
 
2013-10-14 10:37:35 AM  
Since the artists name was not made known to the potential buyers, what do you expect.
 
2013-10-14 10:39:42 AM  
I don't really like artists. I have problems trying to maintain a sensible conversation with them most of the time.

But I like observing them in their element, and seeing their works. Banksy's one of those characters to me, somebody whose work I appreciate, but I would never actively work towards getting into a discussion with him.
 
2013-10-14 10:41:57 AM  
If someone pays for it, it isn't art anymore. It's product.
 
2013-10-14 10:42:12 AM  
It's amazing how differently this is being reported - here in the UK, it was a Banksy prank. The whole point was to get a homeless guy to sell these 'counterfeits' and point out the hypocrisy of so much of the art world - that, as a few have said, context is everything.

Nothing 'sad' about it, point proven.

Oh and some people now have original Banksy works worth tens of thousands of dollars/pounds, that they got for $60.
 
2013-10-14 10:43:45 AM  
That is a brilliant piece of performance art, that is on the genius level compared to his painting an elephant. Also those are some lucky farkers if they ever realize what they got. And also don't forget that the impressionist masters used to sell there wares on the streets in Paris.
 
2013-10-14 10:44:07 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: That's kind of the point of Banksy. At least his earlier stuff. And say what you will about skill, he forced a dialogue that needed to be forced.


A monologue with yourself is still a monologue.
 
2013-10-14 10:45:04 AM  
Is this the thread where people who don't understand an attack on traditional art values demonize the man pointing out that "modern art" is nothing more than a thinly veiled marketing division?
 
2013-10-14 10:45:11 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.


He should've played on the right side of the escalator.
 
2013-10-14 10:45:43 AM  
Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.
 
2013-10-14 10:46:15 AM  

Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.


The real winners are the people who bought them for $60 each. I wonder how much they will resell them for. Thousands, I expect. Lemme check eBay.
 
2013-10-14 10:46:27 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.


Actually it was a grown woman who actually recognized him from having seen him at the Library of Congress perform before.
 
2013-10-14 10:46:38 AM  
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

Particularly if a sidewalk vendor seems to be cashing in on an artist's recent publicity with forgeries, the proceeds of which will not benefit the artist.

Fake "Banksy" postcards, mugs and posters are on sale all over London and at a lot of touristy places around the UK. The most reasonable assumption would be that the vendor was selling fakes.

CSB: How do I know they are all knock-offs?

A few years ago I e-mailed his website to ask about the mugs and stuff in London and got this back:

"Hi Target Builder's real name,

Thanks for your email.

Yes, all the 'merchandise' has been produced without Banksy's permission.

If you're talking about the book 'Wall and Piece'?
That was compiled and written by Banksy and is totally official.

Best regards
Pest Control Office

 "
 
2013-10-14 10:47:44 AM  

Mr_Ectomy: Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.

The real winners are the people who bought them for $60 each. I wonder how much they will resell them for. Thousands, I expect. Lemme check eBay.


If they know what they have. They're probably going to end up either trashed or in a Goodwill donation box in under 5 years.
 
2013-10-14 10:47:47 AM  

gordoLDN: Oh and some people now have original Banksy works worth tens of thousands of dollars/pounds, that they got for $60.


Art, like comic books, is worth what you can sell it for, not what the listing says it's worth.
 
2013-10-14 10:50:30 AM  

Target Builder: Yes, all the 'merchandise' has been produced without Banksy's permission.


Is there such a thing as "permitted" graffiti?

Once it's legitimate, it's no longer graffiti, is it? It's just stenciling.
 
2013-10-14 10:52:38 AM  

This text is now purple: Target Builder: Yes, all the 'merchandise' has been produced without Banksy's permission.

Is there such a thing as "permitted" graffiti?

Once it's legitimate, it's no longer graffiti, is it? It's just stenciling.


If it's printed on a postcard, hand towel or the side of a coffee mug then it's probably not graffiti.
 
2013-10-14 10:56:16 AM  

Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.


I would be sad if I only grossed $420 in a day.
 
2013-10-14 10:58:10 AM  
But it ain't no contribution
To rely on an institution
To validate your chosen art
And to sanction your boredom and let you play out your part

Jim Carroll
 
2013-10-14 10:59:49 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.

I would be sad if I only grossed $420 in a day.


Look out! We got a 1%ist over here!
 
2013-10-14 11:00:30 AM  
I don't know a lot about Banksy, but I do recognize a few of the works in the video. If I had been walking by, it probably would have caught my eye. Anybody know where this guy was selling them? Was it outside of the Met or something?
 
2013-10-14 11:01:30 AM  

ransack.: Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.


There is a guy set up on the boardwalk in Wilidwood NJ, he calls himself Joshua Moonshine.

He sits there all day listening to techno and making Roger Deen like album covers with spray paint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ4vNXcEwfQ
 
2013-10-14 11:03:02 AM  
"Um, I just wanted to come into this thread to say I've never heard of him, so that invalidates him, and Ima go back to masturbating to Norman Rockwell paintings"

...

I don't even know why some of you people feel it's necessary to comment.
 
2013-10-14 11:03:07 AM  

AgentPothead: Is this the thread where people who don't understand an attack on traditional art values demonize the man pointing out that "modern art" is nothing more than a thinly veiled marketing division?


The entire art world is false. I worked in it for years and have seen it all. Limited editions that sold for ten thousand end up being worth hundreds. In reality most of the "prints" are just printed from a printer now anyway and then signed by the artist or their assistant. Auctions rigged by the artist and investors to drive up the prices and to create a value that isn't real. Hell I've touched up some artwork myself. So in somebodies house is a piece that has my handiwork where I dabbed it with a sharpie or some framers mud. Art is about the name not the quality. You build the name and the experience of buying it. That is the art world. I love art however and did like working in the business. But seriously forget the name and the hype. Buy it because you like it and don't worry about the rest.
 
2013-10-14 11:03:30 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.


I'd feel like this:

[cdn.uproxx.com image 650x365]


GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

He did this where my Grandfather used to work.  I was OK with it.  I'm not OK with the gallery people who cut it down, even if someone else would've done the same.  But that's me.

laughingsquid.com
 
2013-10-14 11:04:32 AM  

Mirrorz: Fubini: ...people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art...

I imagine they just walked by and snapped a pic of his graffiti with their phones. His art by nature is disrespectful so I would expect anyone actually interested in it to just go ahead and steal it.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2013-10-14 11:12:58 AM  
If I did believe it was a Banksy, the only reason I'd buy it would be to turn around and sell it to someone else.
 
2013-10-14 11:13:12 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.


Debunked.
/too lazy to go looking for the link.
 
2013-10-14 11:17:20 AM  
Damn! I was in the City over the weekend. Unfortunately, I didn't go near the park.
 
2013-10-14 11:17:50 AM  
Lol @ people in this  thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.
 
2013-10-14 11:17:59 AM  
Jesus, i tried to sell a baseball and no one cared. But then I said it was a home run ball from Babe Ruth and the price went up.

It's like people just care about the name attached to things. My friend can dunk a basketball and nobody cares, but when Jordan did everybody goes crazy.

PHONIES!

/it's almost like people like other people and become fans of other people and then put more value on what that person does.
//super duper weird
 
2013-10-14 11:18:59 AM  

This text is now purple: StreetlightInTheGhetto: That's kind of the point of Banksy. At least his earlier stuff. And say what you will about skill, he forced a dialogue that needed to be forced.

A monologue with yourself is still a monologue.


You can have a monologue with another person?
 
2013-10-14 11:20:32 AM  

Nietzsche Keen: "Um, I just wanted to come into this thread to say I've never heard of him, so that invalidates him, and Ima go back to masturbating to Norman Rockwell paintings"

...

I don't even know why some of you people feel it's necessary to comment.


Who's Norman Rockwell?
 
2013-10-14 11:21:28 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.

I would be sad if I only grossed $420 in a day.


Gay porn?

/ it's gay porn, isn't it?
// I'm going with "gay porn"
 
2013-10-14 11:21:54 AM  

Fubini: Why sad? Banksy isn't exactly a household name, people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art, and the streets of New York aren't exactly a prominent arthouse.


His work (where it's not attached to a building, and even then sometimes they sell the wall, or the whole building) goes for tens of thousands of dollars. Some pieces have gone for hundreds of thousands. The estimate I saw was that these folks that picked up a few pieces at $60 are looking at a roughly $20K profit if they flip them.
 
2013-10-14 11:23:44 AM  

ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?


I think he painted soup cans or something.
 
2013-10-14 11:24:50 AM  
why would you want graffiti art in print form to begin with? isn't that missing the point of graffiti?
 
2013-10-14 11:26:42 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.


To be fair, if I stopped for 10-15 minutes to listen to someone play music as I was walking to work, I'd be 10-15 minutes late. Did he do this at rush hour, or was he on a train, or what?

/Not being confrontational, it's just I think the context makes a big difference here.
 
2013-10-14 11:27:09 AM  

Gothnet: Fubini: Why sad? Banksy isn't exactly a household name, people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art, and the streets of New York aren't exactly a prominent arthouse.

His work (where it's not attached to a building, and even then sometimes they sell the wall, or the whole building) goes for tens of thousands of dollars. Some pieces have gone for hundreds of thousands. The estimate I saw was that these folks that picked up a few pieces at $60 are looking at a roughly $20K profit if they flip them.


Why? Why do people with such large amounts of expendable income want his art? Is it to impress other people? Do they expect it to appreciate in value? Or do they really like looking at his pictures that damn much? Couldn't they just buy a print?

I'm not being facetious here. I really don't get it.
 
2013-10-14 11:27:39 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: This text is now purple: StreetlightInTheGhetto: That's kind of the point of Banksy. At least his earlier stuff. And say what you will about skill, he forced a dialogue that needed to be forced.

A monologue with yourself is still a monologue.

You can have a monologue with another person?


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-10-14 11:28:56 AM  
Interesting. I wonder if the "cult of personality" has something to do with it.
 
2013-10-14 11:29:42 AM  

busy chillin': Jesus, i tried to sell a baseball and no one cared. But then I said it was a home run ball from Babe Ruth and the price went up.

It's like people just care about the name attached to things. My friend can dunk a basketball and nobody cares, but when Jordan did everybody goes crazy.

PHONIES!

/it's almost like people like other people and become fans of other people and then put more value on what that person does.
//super duper weird


It is kind of weird. I feel that way about actors and actresses. They go on numerous tv shows doing interviews about their "craft" but honestly, who the hell cares? They're people who pretend to feel stuff for a living.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTEqHxh3fI
 
2013-10-14 11:30:39 AM  

ransack.: Gothnet: Fubini: Why sad? Banksy isn't exactly a household name, people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art, and the streets of New York aren't exactly a prominent arthouse.

His work (where it's not attached to a building, and even then sometimes they sell the wall, or the whole building) goes for tens of thousands of dollars. Some pieces have gone for hundreds of thousands. The estimate I saw was that these folks that picked up a few pieces at $60 are looking at a roughly $20K profit if they flip them.

Why? Why do people with such large amounts of expendable income want his art? Is it to impress other people? Do they expect it to appreciate in value? Or do they really like looking at his pictures that damn much? Couldn't they just buy a print?

I'm not being facetious here. I really don't get it.


Oh I have no idea! I don't really get the art establishment at all. I barely get art. I like pretty things that have some effort go into them, not whatever the fark modern/postmodern/nouveau/wtf art is supposed to be about.

That said Banksy's stuff is fairly skilful, usually at least slightly funny, and a reasonably insightful comment on ... stuff. So I'm less horrified of people spending their money on that than than I am of, for instance, anything by Tracey Emin or Damien Hirst.
 
2013-10-14 11:33:33 AM  

ransack.: Nietzsche Keen: "Um, I just wanted to come into this thread to say I've never heard of him, so that invalidates him, and Ima go back to masturbating to Norman Rockwell paintings"

...

I don't even know why some of you people feel it's necessary to comment.

Who's Norman Rockwell?


He fronted a song written by Michael Jackson.
 
2013-10-14 11:35:36 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: busy chillin': Jesus, i tried to sell a baseball and no one cared. But then I said it was a home run ball from Babe Ruth and the price went up.

It's like people just care about the name attached to things. My friend can dunk a basketball and nobody cares, but when Jordan did everybody goes crazy.

PHONIES!

/it's almost like people like other people and become fans of other people and then put more value on what that person does.
//super duper weird

It is kind of weird. I feel that way about actors and actresses. They go on numerous tv shows doing interviews about their "craft" but honestly, who the hell cares? They're people who pretend to feel stuff for a living.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTEqHxh3fI


I don't think any of it is weird. We are social creatures with superficial tendencies to impress other people.

The haters want others to agree with them. The fans want others to agree with them. The sun rises in the east.
 
2013-10-14 11:39:21 AM  
Sad tag is for this submission I'm guessing.
 
2013-10-14 11:45:28 AM  
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-14 11:46:06 AM  

skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.


Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-14 11:48:55 AM  

AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night


Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.
 
2013-10-14 11:50:57 AM  
Unless he produces art like this, he is nothing to me

blog.lib.umn.edu

www.thevelvetstore.com

images.wikia.com
 
2013-10-14 11:57:41 AM  

ransack.: Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.


Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand. Trying to get young artists to understand this is particularly difficult. Young artists think just because they are "good" they are going to be famous and make money. It is 90% about who you know and creating an effective brand image. What is really pretty funny is that your average Joe respects skill and aesthetic more-so than most avid art collectors and artists. This is precisely why most people don't give his work a second glance, and I don't blame them. I have never seen anything particularly compelling about Banksy's work. I absolutely despise intellectual artists as well.
 
2013-10-14 12:00:55 PM  

Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.


What?  Pointilism wasn't invented in the 1300s.  I think you're confusing DaVinci with Verdi.
 
2013-10-14 12:07:53 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: ransack.: Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.

Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand. Trying to get young artists to understand this is particularly difficult. Young artists think just because they are "good" they are going to be famous and make money. It is 90% about who you know and creating an effective brand image. What is really pretty funny is that your average Joe respects skill and aesthetic more-so than most avid art collectors and artists. This is precisely why most people don't give his work a second glance, and I don't blame them. I have never seen anything particularly compelling about Banksy's work. I absolutely despise intellectual artists as well.


So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?
I think I'm starting to understand.
 
2013-10-14 12:15:24 PM  
uh huh huh...420
 
2013-10-14 12:20:25 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: ransack.: Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.

Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand. Trying to get young artists to understand this is particularly difficult. Young artists think just because they are "good" they are going to be famous and make money. It is 90% about who you know and creating an effective brand image. What is really pretty funny is that your average Joe respects skill and aesthetic more-so than most avid art collectors and artists. This is precisely why most people don't give his work a second glance, and I don't blame them. I have never seen anything particularly compelling about Banksy's work. I absolutely despise intellectual artists as well.


Which is why I love this so much

thelocation.files.wordpress.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hampton_%28artist%29

My Young Artist Friends (TM) know that's the name of the game and think it's crap.  But because they need to eat they have day jobs - often that relate to art, but still - so they can great their art honestly on the side.

/I like 'em
 
2013-10-14 12:20:51 PM  

Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.


Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night
 
2013-10-14 12:22:35 PM  

bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


Wikipedia's wrong, it's Georgia O'Keeffe.

Or maybe Anne Frank.
 
2013-10-14 12:26:37 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night

Wikipedia's wrong, it's Georgia O'Keeffe.

Or maybe Anne Frank.


That's pretty good art for a blind girl.
 
2013-10-14 12:28:53 PM  
I thought it was kind of ugly and minimalist on the canvas, can't say I'm a fan.  I never got the concept of paying for an artists name.  I either like something, or I don't.
 
2013-10-14 12:29:28 PM  

ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?


More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.
 
2013-10-14 12:30:41 PM  

skozlaw: ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?

More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.


Feel better?
 
2013-10-14 12:38:16 PM  

lennavan: Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.


Good is largely a matter of fashion and popularity, and the number of people who can tell the difference between what's fashionable and not (or even care to do so) is small. The number of such people who will wonder by a random street corner is even smaller.
 
2013-10-14 12:38:53 PM  

bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night



I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too
 
2013-10-14 12:42:38 PM  

Gothnet: StreetlightInTheGhetto: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night

Wikipedia's wrong, it's Georgia O'Keeffe.

Or maybe Anne Frank.

That's pretty good art for a blind girl.


Its abstract for a reason.
 
2013-10-14 12:45:18 PM  

busy chillin': Feel better?


I don't really feel bad about the fact that Banksy is terrible and his fans are suckers, so, no, not really. It's not really a relevant question.
 
2013-10-14 12:45:35 PM  
That area of Central Park is all tourists. If he went to Williamsburg, the hipsters would have recognized it as Banksy art.
 
2013-10-14 12:54:36 PM  

GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too


Anyone who cites Pollock's work as amazing has horrible taste in art. Pollock is the retarded version of Cy Twombly, and that is saying a lot.
 
2013-10-14 12:55:16 PM  

skozlaw: busy chillin': Feel better?

I don't really feel bad about the fact that Banksy is terrible and his fans are suckers, so, no, not really. It's not really a relevant question.


You realize you sound bitter, right? Makes me think your macaroni noodle sculptures are just too intelligent. People will come around. Keep your chin up.
 
2013-10-14 12:55:43 PM  

skozlaw: ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?

More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.


Damn man, did you put an innocent man in jail this morning or something? In two posts, my impression of you went from 'interesting guy with often decent points' to 'Mr. Butthurt.' What gives?
 
2013-10-14 12:56:39 PM  

GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too


Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-14 12:56:48 PM  
yeah, because they were really pushing it that they were legit banksy at the time of the selling....
what a publicity monger
 
2013-10-14 12:59:45 PM  
I think stuff like this is great.

I saw it mentioned above, but if you haven't seen "Exit through the Gift Shop" you totally should.
 
2013-10-14 01:01:20 PM  
Whenever topics about art and pop-culture show up on Fark, it's easy to tell how old, white, conservative and out of touch most Farkers are.
 
2013-10-14 01:05:02 PM  

skozlaw: ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?

More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.


Are you Bansky?
 
2013-10-14 01:06:42 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Anyone who cites Pollock's work as amazing has horrible taste in art. Pollock is the retarded version of Cy Twombly, and that is saying a lot.


stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg
 
2013-10-14 01:08:07 PM  

psychopathic tendencies: What gives?


Presumably, I stopped saying what you wanted to hear.

ransack.: Are you Bansky?


Tom Morello.
 
2013-10-14 01:12:58 PM  

AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]


www.reverseshot.com
 
2013-10-14 01:19:49 PM  

twincamakiko: Whenever topics about art and pop-culture show up on Fark, it's easy to tell how old, white, conservative and out of touch most Farkers are.


Old, white, conservatives are the best patrons art has ever had. =)
 
2013-10-14 01:20:11 PM  

skozlaw: psychopathic tendencies: What gives?

Presumably, I stopped saying what you wanted to hear.

ransack.: Are you Bansky?

Tom Morello.


No, you started saying stupid, defensive, bitter shiat about topics with which you have no education or insight. So, actually, yes - I recant my previous statement. You did, in fact, stop saying what I wanted to hear which, from now until the end of time, shall be known as 'intelligent and informed discourse.'

/maybe you can try again, this time resisting the urge to channel your inner 16 year old art philosopher.
 
2013-10-14 01:21:27 PM  

Badafuco: uh huh huh...420


Came to make a juvenile pot reference as well.

/I'll smoke to those sales figures.
 
2013-10-14 01:22:30 PM  

skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.


No, you're thinking of Daddy Warbucks.

Norman Rockwell is the paranoid black guy from that 1980's video.
 
2013-10-14 01:32:53 PM  
My aunt painted me a picture of an outhouse. It proudly hangs outside my bathroom next to my signed Apollo 16 lithograph. Still need to to get my poster of the USS Akron flying over San Francisco framed.
 
2013-10-14 01:33:28 PM  

keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this  thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.


And Bansky is now shiatting on whoever paid that much.
 
2013-10-14 01:37:31 PM  

dukef: I fail to appreciate the haters. Sure he's trolling, but he's a very good artist making a point. Which is also art. I would like to believe that, had I been walking by that day, I would have recognized his work and become a millionaire for a few hundred bucks.

R. MUTT


Well, aren't you du champ?
/misspelled on purpose.
 
2013-10-14 01:43:12 PM  

keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.


Lol, worth even more when he's dead.
 
2013-10-14 01:46:48 PM  
Some Farkers here need to read Jacques Barzun's From Dawn to Decadence.
 
2013-10-14 01:49:46 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand


This is what i meant by Warhol farking everything up.
 
2013-10-14 02:08:59 PM  

psychopathic tendencies: You did, in fact, stop saying what I wanted to hear which, from now until the end of time, shall be known as 'intelligent and informed discourse.'


Feel free to offer a differing opinion instead of just whining about the one I proffered then.

You know what's really the WORST thing about Banksy, though? He's just Xavier Prou without the benefit of being novel.
 
2013-10-14 02:12:02 PM  
I've never been a fan of his work.  His "edgy" juxtaposition of wholesome figures doing subversive acts seems about as creative as a high school kid's notebook.

I get the feeling in about 25 years or so, it will be looked back as something as corny and dated as Patrick Nagel's 80s Girls.
 
2013-10-14 02:30:03 PM  

dukef: I fail to appreciate the haters. Sure he's trolling, but he's a very good artist making a point. Which is also art. I would like to believe that, had I been walking by that day, I would have recognized his work and become a millionaire for a few hundred bucks.

R. MUTT


Banksy fans can dish it out, but can't take it. It seems like a case of butt-hurt for the hipper than thou set. In "Capital" John Lanchester gives his readers "Smitty" , a parody of Banksy who in a paragraph or two presents the business model followed by this anonymous genius.
 
2013-10-14 02:34:11 PM  

ransack.: skozlaw: ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?

More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.

Are you Bansky?


I am Spartacus!
 
2013-10-14 02:39:57 PM  

DarkVader: you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


I literally used the word "steal" once and the emphasizing italics were on it for a reason.

Most of the guy's "artwork" is essentially stolen and stenciled imagery hence why I chose the word I used. I was simply mentioning the irony of the situation.
 
2013-10-14 03:10:08 PM  

JohnCarter: Unless he produces art like this, he is nothing to me


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-14 03:16:21 PM  
All I could think of when I saw 'Banksy'
i102.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-14 03:22:07 PM  

Crewmannumber6: All I could think of when I saw 'Banksy'
[i102.photobucket.com image 480x360]


I'm seeing "Brasky" for some reason.

planetwill.jt.org
 
2013-10-14 03:28:57 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: the money is in the banana stand: Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand

This is what i meant by Warhol farking everything up.


Warhol did not create kitsch art or create Pop Culture references in art. He may have popularized it with his eccentric character, but this sort of behavior can be dated back well before America even existed as a thought. Your classic artists had a brand the same way people like Warhol have a brand. Art doesn't sell art, people sell art. The artist is more important than the artwork itself. The trick is to get noticed. Any sort of publicity is good. Would you rank Piss Christ up on the same level as say The Raft of the Medusa?
 
2013-10-14 03:29:51 PM  

Fubini: Why sad? Banksy isn't exactly a household name, people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art, and the streets of New York aren't exactly a prominent arthouse.


The people who are "really attracked to his work" aren't "young people", they are "thugs who like to spray paint crap on other peoples property".

Thugs don't spend a lot of money on art.
 
2013-10-14 03:36:01 PM  

JuggleGeek: The people who are "really attracked to his work" aren't "young people", they are "thugs who like to spray paint crap on other peoples property".


You may want to explain then the people who've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for his paintings on canvas. Also one of his pieces ended up in a museum's permanent collection in the most peculiar of ways. It was a piece basically playing a joke on old cave man paintings. Somehow he got it in the museum next to the other works and there it was for at least a day. When the curator saw it, he was so amused he decided the museum would keep it because well damn Bansky pranked them and that's nothing to be upset about.
 
2013-10-14 03:39:05 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Not sure what he's trying to proof other then how much of the art world relies on perception and marketing to valuate their products,


I don't think he's necessarily trying to prove anything. He's in a way like Keith Haring who didn't really like the idea that only people with a lot of money could get new art. So Haring sold posters, t-shirts, postcards etc, that way anyone who wanted one of his works could have it in a form that fit their budget and likes. Also Banksy really, really hates art dealers so why not just sell from some table outside?
 
2013-10-14 03:59:26 PM  
spacebison.com
 
2013-10-14 04:11:08 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.


Id be EXTREMELY HAPPY! Considering what one of his pieces can retail for. Obviously you dont have two brain cells to rub together or you would stop yourself from putting your foot so far down your own throat that it needs to be surgically removed.
 
2013-10-14 04:15:31 PM  

AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]


Many people don't know this, but everyone in that painting except the woman in the front has something to hide.
 
2013-10-14 04:24:59 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]

Many people don't know this, but everyone in that painting except the woman in the front has something to hide.


I'm not familiar.  Care to explain?
 
2013-10-14 04:25:05 PM  

Mcaffolder: MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.

Id be EXTREMELY HAPPY! Considering what one of his pieces can retail for. Obviously you dont have two brain cells to rub together or you would stop yourself from putting your foot so far down your own throat that it needs to be surgically removed.


Ooooo, is that like some sort of hipster remark?  Okay, I get it. I'm not "hip" since I think his shiatty drawings are shaitty, is that it? So some folks paid lots o' money for his "art". eh? That's what's called "having more money than you know what to do with".

But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.
 
2013-10-14 04:28:15 PM  

flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.


It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.
 
2013-10-14 04:30:55 PM  
Don't forget folks, creating graffiti without permission is still considered vandalism whether you like it or not.
 
2013-10-14 04:44:24 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.


Even if by doing so they add $100k to the value?
 
2013-10-14 04:50:50 PM  

Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.


It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.
 
2013-10-14 04:57:28 PM  

busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.


Then you don't understand marketing.
 
2013-10-14 04:57:32 PM  
He took the piss out of the art marketers.
He realizes he is hot right now and his name has value. He is poking at this fact.

It seems to me he doesn't give a sh*t about any of that.

If realizing that the personality and person behind the act is probably more important that the act itself is new and upsetting to you, then welcome to humanity.

I paint a weird looking girl - no one gives a sh*t
Picasso paints a weird looking girl - millions of dollars

That is the way the world works. I ain't even mad.
 
2013-10-14 04:58:35 PM  

Whodat: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.

Then you don't understand marketing.


So by not selling out he has sold out? Okay.

i hope he is reading this thread.
 
2013-10-14 05:00:19 PM  
And yeah, we are all talking about him, so that is marketing.

I guess I just like him. I realize that bothers many of you.
 
2013-10-14 05:08:01 PM  

busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.



That low, low street price makes his work a sort of volkskunst..... as ironic as a hipster handlebar 'stache in a Brooklyn coffeeshop.
 
2013-10-14 05:20:41 PM  

Fusilier: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.


That low, low street price makes his work a sort of volkskunst..... as ironic as a hipster handlebar 'stache in a Brooklyn coffeeshop.


whatever you say
 
2013-10-14 05:29:45 PM  
French photographer JR plasters public places with photos. Video
Example:
img543.imageshack.us
 
2013-10-14 05:32:58 PM  

twincamakiko: Whenever topics about art and pop-culture show up on Fark, it's easy to tell how old, white, conservative and out of touch most Farkers are.


Hey, I'm old and white and love Banksy! (just not conservative)  The world is more interesting with him in it.
 
2013-10-14 05:36:17 PM  

busy chillin': Fusilier: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.


That low, low street price makes his work a sort of volkskunst..... as ironic as a hipster handlebar 'stache in a Brooklyn coffeeshop.

whatever you say


Damn straight!
 
2013-10-14 05:39:02 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Mcaffolder: MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.

Id be EXTREMELY HAPPY! Considering what one of his pieces can retail for. Obviously you dont have two brain cells to rub together or you would stop yourself from putting your foot so far down your own throat that it needs to be surgically removed.

Ooooo, is that like some sort of hipster remark?  Okay, I get it. I'm not "hip" since I think his shiatty drawings are shaitty, is that it? So some folks paid lots o' money for his "art". eh? That's what's called "having more money than you know what to do with".

But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.


So you think these people that have too much money live in their mom's basement?
 
2013-10-14 05:40:17 PM  

Fusilier: busy chillin': Fusilier: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.


That low, low street price makes his work a sort of volkskunst..... as ironic as a hipster handlebar 'stache in a Brooklyn coffeeshop.

whatever you say

Damn straight!


i0.wp.com
 
2013-10-14 05:53:24 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Warhol did not create kitsch art or create Pop Culture references in art. He may have popularized it with his eccentric character, but this sort of behavior can be dated back well before America even existed as a thought. Your classic artists had a brand the same way people like Warhol have a brand. Art doesn't sell art, people sell art. The artist is more important than the artwork itself. The trick is to get noticed. Any sort of publicity is good. Would you rank Piss Christ up on the same level as say The Raft of the Medusa?


I agree to an extent, and don't think there's anything particularly bad about a little bit of that. But Warhol dealt the death blow to the notion of meaningful art, and replaced it with profound (aka: meaningless) eye candy. Now there's not even any meaning or passion behind different art, it's all just 'brands' of vacuous eye candy.
 
2013-10-14 05:54:24 PM  
www.ramendays.com
 
2013-10-14 06:26:24 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: the money is in the banana stand: Warhol did not create kitsch art or create Pop Culture references in art. He may have popularized it with his eccentric character, but this sort of behavior can be dated back well before America even existed as a thought. Your classic artists had a brand the same way people like Warhol have a brand. Art doesn't sell art, people sell art. The artist is more important than the artwork itself. The trick is to get noticed. Any sort of publicity is good. Would you rank Piss Christ up on the same level as say The Raft of the Medusa?

I agree to an extent, and don't think there's anything particularly bad about a little bit of that. But Warhol dealt the death blow to the notion of meaningful art, and replaced it with profound (aka: meaningless) eye candy. Now there's not even any meaning or passion behind different art, it's all just 'brands' of vacuous eye candy.



That strikes me as kind of like saying that the rise of punk ended the rest of the musical universe. If you want a new work of "meaningful" art, they aren't hard to find. People who strive for meaning and passion in their art don't stop doing that just because they aren't being shown at the cool kids' galleries, and that's no reason to stop supporting them either. In fact, to the extent you're right, you should be thanking the purveyors of recent forms of vacuous eye candy for helping to make your preferred art less trendy and thus more affordable. (Unfortunately, however, awesome examples of most any kind of art tend to be in pretty farking high demand.)
 
2013-10-14 06:51:55 PM  
The story about a famous violinist playing in the tube is a bit similar:
"In an experiment initiated by The Washington Post columnist Gene Weingarten, Joshua Bell donned a baseball cap and played as an incognito "Street performance" busker at the Metro subway station. The experiment was videotaped on hidden camera; of the 1,097 people who passed by, only seven stopped to listen to him, and only one recognized him. "

In Banksy's case, it pretty much means that people are willing to buy proper fakes for 60usd if the item is trendy, and original ones are even more overpriced because of the Mine Mine Only Mine attitude of rich private collectors.

In both cases, it's just incoming waves, particles and how much money both parties have. Meh....
 
2013-10-14 06:59:43 PM  

Gothnet: MelGoesOnTour: But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.

Even if by doing so they add $100k to the value?


Actually, that's not likely. It assumes that a potential buyer would equate graffiti (say, on your garage door) as an improvement. That would be a pretty big assumption I think it'd be fair to say.
 
2013-10-14 07:09:15 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: MelGoesOnTour: Mcaffolder: MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.

Id be EXTREMELY HAPPY! Considering what one of his pieces can retail for. Obviously you dont have two brain cells to rub together or you would stop yourself from putting your foot so far down your own throat that it needs to be surgically removed.

Ooooo, is that like some sort of hipster remark?  Okay, I get it. I'm not "hip" since I think his shiatty drawings are shaitty, is that it? So some folks paid lots o' money for his "art". eh? That's what's called "having more money than you know what to do with".

But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.

So you think these people that have too much money live in their mom's basement?


Ay yi yi---please, just...stop it.   ;)  Listen, folks, I like certain art projects as much as anyone but I wouldn't want to come home to find that Christo (for instance) covered my house in pink cloth. Okay? Maybe to him and his fans it's cool and whatnot. Good for them. But to me it'd be nothing more than a pain in the arse that I'D have to clean up since I don't like that sort of crap. Okay? And the same would apply for me if, for instance again, I found a building I owned covered in graffiti and would have to clean up after it. Why is it some of you folks think that because YOU like that sort of "art" that everyone else would? To put it simply, let him cover his OWN buildings and such with spray paint and whatnot. Is that so hard to ask? Personal property should never be used as someone else's canvas just because an "artist" thinks it'd be cool and trendy to deface it.  Heck, I can't even imagine the thought processes a person might have that allows them to self-justify drawing on someone else's wall or house or parking lot walls or whatever. That'd be akin to me going to someone's house and deciding it'd look better with stripes on it and assuming that the owner would be cool with it. Now, on the other hand, if he'd ASK the owners first, well, that'd be fine. But that's not how he got his notoriety.
 
2013-10-14 07:20:20 PM  
Banksy is shiat. The market has spoken!
 
2013-10-14 07:49:11 PM  
I used to live in Hell's Kitchen back at the turn of the millennium and there was a Banksy "Andre the Giant-OBEY" stencil on my corner that I must have walked by a katrillion times. Had no idea who he was. It's gone now, but it would be worth $30 or $40K on today's market. If only I had known then....
 
2013-10-14 07:56:54 PM  

stryed: The story about a famous violinist playing in the tube is a bit similar:
"In an experiment initiated by The Washington Post columnist Gene Weingarten, Joshua Bell donned a baseball cap and played as an incognito "Street performance" busker at the Metro subway station. The experiment was videotaped on hidden camera; of the 1,097 people who passed by, only seven stopped to listen to him, and only one recognized him. "


The biggest difference is that Bell was selling a performance. His listener could be pretty certain that the music was being made by the guy standing in front of her. He wasn't sitting there silently offering signed CDs or something.

But yeah, this is partly about opportunity. You can reasonably think that you'll have other chances to stop and listen to this busker or (especially) to pick up a Banksy forgery, so even if the art appeals to you, there's a lot less urgency to get it Right Farking Now.

If you see through the charade and realize it's a secret rarity never to be repeated, you're a lot more likely to drop whatever you're doing, miss your train, break the budget.

/had there been even one person who caught on to Banksy (as in the case of Bell), they'd have bought every single piece there, ta-da, end of video
 
2013-10-14 08:09:14 PM  
Wouldn't it be ironic if someone tagged his work?
 
2013-10-14 09:24:10 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Gothnet: MelGoesOnTour: But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.

Even if by doing so they add $100k to the value?

Actually, that's not likely. It assumes that a potential buyer would equate graffiti (say, on your garage door) as an improvement. That would be a pretty big assumption I think it'd be fair to say.


Except it has actually happened, you'll get "the retarded rich" market segment as I like to call it, knocking on your door to buy the place. And if you don't like it or don't want to sell up, well the works sell for between $20k and $200k, so you can probably get the wall carefully removed, sell it to a moron and have a replacement wall fitted and come out ahead to the tune of a few tens of thousands of dollars.

I know what you're saying, you don't want someone drawing on your house. I agree. I wouldn't want someone drawing on the side of my house without permission, no matter how awesome their 'art' might be. But in this very specific case, there are marked financial upsides.
 
2013-10-14 09:42:03 PM  

AeAe: Tyrone Slothrop: AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]

Many people don't know this, but everyone in that painting except the woman in the front has something to hide.

I'm not familiar.  Care to explain?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lngGPsJ1pQ

/man, kids today...
 
2013-10-14 10:14:26 PM  
Okay Banksy, very good, you're proved your point that our institutions for the appreciation and especially the commercialization of "art" are capricious and artificial.

*pat pat*

Now go away.
 
2013-10-14 10:43:55 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.


She's the person that blew up 4chan at 1 point with some youtube videos I think.

Admittedly, I'm not up on modern art.
 
2013-10-14 10:50:24 PM  

busy chillin': Whodat: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.

Then you don't understand marketing.

So by not selling out he has sold out? Okay.

i hope he is reading this thread.


Nope. By selling out he sold out. This latest stunt is ginning up publicity in order to sell more. Hope that you can follow that but if you can't that is ok too.
 
2013-10-14 11:01:04 PM  

Ernie the Fork: I used to live in Hell's Kitchen back at the turn of the millennium and there was a Banksy "Andre the Giant-OBEY" stencil on my corner that I must have walked by a katrillion times. Had no idea who he was. It's gone now, but it would be worth $30 or $40K on today's market. If only I had known then....


Shepard Fairey was the artist  behind the OBEY posters.  He also did the Obama HOPE poster, which led to him settling a fair use lawsuit against him.
 
2013-10-14 11:08:49 PM  

Whodat: He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully.


I'd be interested in a citation proving he ever really railed (as an adult) against marketing and the art world.  Otherwise, I could just as easily state that his art has always been clever and skillful self-promotion using the the means and ways available to him to break into the world he desired.
 
2013-10-14 11:24:52 PM  
Wasn't Bansky the generic Enterprise crewman who beamed down with Kirk and always got killed in the opening scene?
 
2013-10-14 11:39:27 PM  
www.csus.edu
 
2013-10-15 12:08:01 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: skozlaw: This just in, nobody ever cared what Banksy was spray-painting, they cared that he was spray-painting it on someone else's stuff because that's so "edgy" and "dangerous".

Tagging is to art as a Che t-shirt is to political discourse.

[classes.design.ucla.edu image 450x485]


Exactly. Banksy isn't famous, he's infamous. His name isn't known because his "art" is great or fantastic, it's because he's a prolific law-breaker. If it was any good, that shiat would have been bought on merit alone, but guess what... it wasn't.
 
2013-10-15 12:49:59 AM  
static.ddmcdn.com

Cry me a river.
 
2013-10-15 01:21:50 AM  
Well he (or she) got you lot talking about the nature of art.


//job done
 
2013-10-15 01:36:27 AM  

Terrible Old Man: If it was any good, that shiat would have been bought on merit alone, but guess what... it wasn't.


No one buys a Damien Hirst work of art because of the merit. Hell Hirst is one of the artists Banksy really can't stand. See the thing with Banksy is we have no idea who he is and it doesn't matter. Which is kind of the whole point to the act, who the artist is, what they are, doesn't matter. Yet in today's art world, art dealers make it matter. They sell stuff as being worth something because of who made it, and who made it matters because of whatever X, Y and Z they happen to choose. With Banksy we don't even know his name, let alone anything about him. Well we do know he makes an assload of money.
 
2013-10-15 07:55:02 AM  
"art"
 
2013-10-15 07:58:48 AM  

WhyteRaven74: No one buys a Damien Hirst work of art because of the merit. Hell Hirst is one of the artists Banksy really can't stand. See the thing with Banksy is we have no idea who he is and it doesn't matter. Which is kind of the whole point to the act, who the artist is, what they are, doesn't matter. Yet in today's art world, art dealers make it matter. They sell stuff as being worth something because of who made it, and who made it matters because of whatever X, Y and Z they happen to choose. With Banksy we don't even know his name, let alone anything about him. Well we do know he makes an assload of money.


How do you know Banksy doesn't like Damien Hirst's art?
 
2013-10-15 08:20:29 AM  

DrBrownCow: WhyteRaven74: No one buys a Damien Hirst work of art because of the merit. Hell Hirst is one of the artists Banksy really can't stand. See the thing with Banksy is we have no idea who he is and it doesn't matter. Which is kind of the whole point to the act, who the artist is, what they are, doesn't matter. Yet in today's art world, art dealers make it matter. They sell stuff as being worth something because of who made it, and who made it matters because of whatever X, Y and Z they happen to choose. With Banksy we don't even know his name, let alone anything about him. Well we do know he makes an assload of money.

How do you know Banksy doesn't like Damien Hirst's art?


I just read a page that claims that Banksy is Damien Hirst.
 
2013-10-15 09:36:33 AM  

Whodat: busy chillin': Whodat: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.

Then you don't understand marketing.

So by not selling out he has sold out? Okay.

i hope he is reading this thread.

Nope. By selling out he sold out. This latest stunt is ginning up publicity in order to sell more. Hope that you can follow that but if you can't that is ok too.


Well, good for him. I can't think of any other artist that takes their art that is worth thousands and sells for whatever the consumer is willing to pay.

Life is self promotion.
 
2013-10-15 11:02:36 AM  

DrBrownCow: Ernie the Fork: I used to live in Hell's Kitchen back at the turn of the millennium and there was a Banksy "Andre the Giant-OBEY" stencil on my corner that I must have walked by a katrillion times. Had no idea who he was. It's gone now, but it would be worth $30 or $40K on today's market. If only I had known then....

Shepard Fairey was the artist  behind the OBEY posters.  He also did the Obama HOPE poster, which led to him settling a fair use lawsuit against him.


Ack...you're right. And here I've kept thinking the Obey stuff was Banksy all these years. Still, wonder if they were worth anything. Probably nowhere near a Banksy.

I also had some Neck Face stuff on the block. I generally hate graffiti but his were oddly humorous.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:56 AM  

lennavan: Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.


Shouldn't gold be worth the same amount no matter how much people need to use it?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of precious metals.

/psst, almost nothing has some objective value out "there" -- it is all based on what people, in a particular setting, are willing to spend
 
2013-10-15 05:05:14 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: AeAe: Tyrone Slothrop: AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]

Many people don't know this, but everyone in that painting except the woman in the front has something to hide.

I'm not familiar.  Care to explain?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lngGPsJ1pQ

/man, kids today...


Nice.  First, I love that song.  And second, what a completely unexpected reference.
 
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