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2013-10-14 04:11:08 PM

MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.


Id be EXTREMELY HAPPY! Considering what one of his pieces can retail for. Obviously you dont have two brain cells to rub together or you would stop yourself from putting your foot so far down your own throat that it needs to be surgically removed.
 
2013-10-14 04:15:31 PM

AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]


Many people don't know this, but everyone in that painting except the woman in the front has something to hide.
 
2013-10-14 04:24:59 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]

Many people don't know this, but everyone in that painting except the woman in the front has something to hide.


I'm not familiar.  Care to explain?
 
2013-10-14 04:25:05 PM

Mcaffolder: MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.

Id be EXTREMELY HAPPY! Considering what one of his pieces can retail for. Obviously you dont have two brain cells to rub together or you would stop yourself from putting your foot so far down your own throat that it needs to be surgically removed.


Ooooo, is that like some sort of hipster remark?  Okay, I get it. I'm not "hip" since I think his shiatty drawings are shaitty, is that it? So some folks paid lots o' money for his "art". eh? That's what's called "having more money than you know what to do with".

But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.
 
2013-10-14 04:28:15 PM

flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.


It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.
 
2013-10-14 04:30:55 PM
Don't forget folks, creating graffiti without permission is still considered vandalism whether you like it or not.
 
2013-10-14 04:44:24 PM

MelGoesOnTour: But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.


Even if by doing so they add $100k to the value?
 
2013-10-14 04:50:50 PM

Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.


It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.
 
2013-10-14 04:57:28 PM

busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.


Then you don't understand marketing.
 
2013-10-14 04:57:32 PM
He took the piss out of the art marketers.
He realizes he is hot right now and his name has value. He is poking at this fact.

It seems to me he doesn't give a sh*t about any of that.

If realizing that the personality and person behind the act is probably more important that the act itself is new and upsetting to you, then welcome to humanity.

I paint a weird looking girl - no one gives a sh*t
Picasso paints a weird looking girl - millions of dollars

That is the way the world works. I ain't even mad.
 
2013-10-14 04:58:35 PM

Whodat: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.

Then you don't understand marketing.


So by not selling out he has sold out? Okay.

i hope he is reading this thread.
 
2013-10-14 05:00:19 PM
And yeah, we are all talking about him, so that is marketing.

I guess I just like him. I realize that bothers many of you.
 
2013-10-14 05:08:01 PM

busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.



That low, low street price makes his work a sort of volkskunst..... as ironic as a hipster handlebar 'stache in a Brooklyn coffeeshop.
 
2013-10-14 05:20:41 PM

Fusilier: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.


That low, low street price makes his work a sort of volkskunst..... as ironic as a hipster handlebar 'stache in a Brooklyn coffeeshop.


whatever you say
 
2013-10-14 05:29:45 PM
French photographer JR plasters public places with photos. Video
Example:
img543.imageshack.us
 
2013-10-14 05:32:58 PM

twincamakiko: Whenever topics about art and pop-culture show up on Fark, it's easy to tell how old, white, conservative and out of touch most Farkers are.


Hey, I'm old and white and love Banksy! (just not conservative)  The world is more interesting with him in it.
 
2013-10-14 05:36:17 PM

busy chillin': Fusilier: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.


That low, low street price makes his work a sort of volkskunst..... as ironic as a hipster handlebar 'stache in a Brooklyn coffeeshop.

whatever you say


Damn straight!
 
2013-10-14 05:39:02 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Mcaffolder: MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.

Id be EXTREMELY HAPPY! Considering what one of his pieces can retail for. Obviously you dont have two brain cells to rub together or you would stop yourself from putting your foot so far down your own throat that it needs to be surgically removed.

Ooooo, is that like some sort of hipster remark?  Okay, I get it. I'm not "hip" since I think his shiatty drawings are shaitty, is that it? So some folks paid lots o' money for his "art". eh? That's what's called "having more money than you know what to do with".

But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.


So you think these people that have too much money live in their mom's basement?
 
2013-10-14 05:40:17 PM

Fusilier: busy chillin': Fusilier: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.


That low, low street price makes his work a sort of volkskunst..... as ironic as a hipster handlebar 'stache in a Brooklyn coffeeshop.

whatever you say

Damn straight!


i0.wp.com
 
2013-10-14 05:53:24 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Warhol did not create kitsch art or create Pop Culture references in art. He may have popularized it with his eccentric character, but this sort of behavior can be dated back well before America even existed as a thought. Your classic artists had a brand the same way people like Warhol have a brand. Art doesn't sell art, people sell art. The artist is more important than the artwork itself. The trick is to get noticed. Any sort of publicity is good. Would you rank Piss Christ up on the same level as say The Raft of the Medusa?


I agree to an extent, and don't think there's anything particularly bad about a little bit of that. But Warhol dealt the death blow to the notion of meaningful art, and replaced it with profound (aka: meaningless) eye candy. Now there's not even any meaning or passion behind different art, it's all just 'brands' of vacuous eye candy.
 
2013-10-14 05:54:24 PM
www.ramendays.com
 
2013-10-14 06:26:24 PM

J. Frank Parnell: the money is in the banana stand: Warhol did not create kitsch art or create Pop Culture references in art. He may have popularized it with his eccentric character, but this sort of behavior can be dated back well before America even existed as a thought. Your classic artists had a brand the same way people like Warhol have a brand. Art doesn't sell art, people sell art. The artist is more important than the artwork itself. The trick is to get noticed. Any sort of publicity is good. Would you rank Piss Christ up on the same level as say The Raft of the Medusa?

I agree to an extent, and don't think there's anything particularly bad about a little bit of that. But Warhol dealt the death blow to the notion of meaningful art, and replaced it with profound (aka: meaningless) eye candy. Now there's not even any meaning or passion behind different art, it's all just 'brands' of vacuous eye candy.



That strikes me as kind of like saying that the rise of punk ended the rest of the musical universe. If you want a new work of "meaningful" art, they aren't hard to find. People who strive for meaning and passion in their art don't stop doing that just because they aren't being shown at the cool kids' galleries, and that's no reason to stop supporting them either. In fact, to the extent you're right, you should be thanking the purveyors of recent forms of vacuous eye candy for helping to make your preferred art less trendy and thus more affordable. (Unfortunately, however, awesome examples of most any kind of art tend to be in pretty farking high demand.)
 
2013-10-14 06:51:55 PM
The story about a famous violinist playing in the tube is a bit similar:
"In an experiment initiated by The Washington Post columnist Gene Weingarten, Joshua Bell donned a baseball cap and played as an incognito "Street performance" busker at the Metro subway station. The experiment was videotaped on hidden camera; of the 1,097 people who passed by, only seven stopped to listen to him, and only one recognized him. "

In Banksy's case, it pretty much means that people are willing to buy proper fakes for 60usd if the item is trendy, and original ones are even more overpriced because of the Mine Mine Only Mine attitude of rich private collectors.

In both cases, it's just incoming waves, particles and how much money both parties have. Meh....
 
2013-10-14 06:59:43 PM

Gothnet: MelGoesOnTour: But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.

Even if by doing so they add $100k to the value?


Actually, that's not likely. It assumes that a potential buyer would equate graffiti (say, on your garage door) as an improvement. That would be a pretty big assumption I think it'd be fair to say.
 
2013-10-14 07:09:15 PM

HotWingConspiracy: MelGoesOnTour: Mcaffolder: MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.

Id be EXTREMELY HAPPY! Considering what one of his pieces can retail for. Obviously you dont have two brain cells to rub together or you would stop yourself from putting your foot so far down your own throat that it needs to be surgically removed.

Ooooo, is that like some sort of hipster remark?  Okay, I get it. I'm not "hip" since I think his shiatty drawings are shaitty, is that it? So some folks paid lots o' money for his "art". eh? That's what's called "having more money than you know what to do with".

But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.

So you think these people that have too much money live in their mom's basement?


Ay yi yi---please, just...stop it.   ;)  Listen, folks, I like certain art projects as much as anyone but I wouldn't want to come home to find that Christo (for instance) covered my house in pink cloth. Okay? Maybe to him and his fans it's cool and whatnot. Good for them. But to me it'd be nothing more than a pain in the arse that I'D have to clean up since I don't like that sort of crap. Okay? And the same would apply for me if, for instance again, I found a building I owned covered in graffiti and would have to clean up after it. Why is it some of you folks think that because YOU like that sort of "art" that everyone else would? To put it simply, let him cover his OWN buildings and such with spray paint and whatnot. Is that so hard to ask? Personal property should never be used as someone else's canvas just because an "artist" thinks it'd be cool and trendy to deface it.  Heck, I can't even imagine the thought processes a person might have that allows them to self-justify drawing on someone else's wall or house or parking lot walls or whatever. That'd be akin to me going to someone's house and deciding it'd look better with stripes on it and assuming that the owner would be cool with it. Now, on the other hand, if he'd ASK the owners first, well, that'd be fine. But that's not how he got his notoriety.
 
2013-10-14 07:20:20 PM
Banksy is shiat. The market has spoken!
 
2013-10-14 07:49:11 PM
I used to live in Hell's Kitchen back at the turn of the millennium and there was a Banksy "Andre the Giant-OBEY" stencil on my corner that I must have walked by a katrillion times. Had no idea who he was. It's gone now, but it would be worth $30 or $40K on today's market. If only I had known then....
 
2013-10-14 07:56:54 PM

stryed: The story about a famous violinist playing in the tube is a bit similar:
"In an experiment initiated by The Washington Post columnist Gene Weingarten, Joshua Bell donned a baseball cap and played as an incognito "Street performance" busker at the Metro subway station. The experiment was videotaped on hidden camera; of the 1,097 people who passed by, only seven stopped to listen to him, and only one recognized him. "


The biggest difference is that Bell was selling a performance. His listener could be pretty certain that the music was being made by the guy standing in front of her. He wasn't sitting there silently offering signed CDs or something.

But yeah, this is partly about opportunity. You can reasonably think that you'll have other chances to stop and listen to this busker or (especially) to pick up a Banksy forgery, so even if the art appeals to you, there's a lot less urgency to get it Right Farking Now.

If you see through the charade and realize it's a secret rarity never to be repeated, you're a lot more likely to drop whatever you're doing, miss your train, break the budget.

/had there been even one person who caught on to Banksy (as in the case of Bell), they'd have bought every single piece there, ta-da, end of video
 
2013-10-14 08:09:14 PM
Wouldn't it be ironic if someone tagged his work?
 
2013-10-14 09:24:10 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Gothnet: MelGoesOnTour: But when you actually OWN property (like a house and I don't mean your mom's house or the sleeper-sofa the basement you sleep in) you tend not to like others defacing it.

Even if by doing so they add $100k to the value?

Actually, that's not likely. It assumes that a potential buyer would equate graffiti (say, on your garage door) as an improvement. That would be a pretty big assumption I think it'd be fair to say.


Except it has actually happened, you'll get "the retarded rich" market segment as I like to call it, knocking on your door to buy the place. And if you don't like it or don't want to sell up, well the works sell for between $20k and $200k, so you can probably get the wall carefully removed, sell it to a moron and have a replacement wall fitted and come out ahead to the tune of a few tens of thousands of dollars.

I know what you're saying, you don't want someone drawing on your house. I agree. I wouldn't want someone drawing on the side of my house without permission, no matter how awesome their 'art' might be. But in this very specific case, there are marked financial upsides.
 
2013-10-14 09:42:03 PM

AeAe: Tyrone Slothrop: AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]

Many people don't know this, but everyone in that painting except the woman in the front has something to hide.

I'm not familiar.  Care to explain?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lngGPsJ1pQ

/man, kids today...
 
2013-10-14 10:14:26 PM
Okay Banksy, very good, you're proved your point that our institutions for the appreciation and especially the commercialization of "art" are capricious and artificial.

*pat pat*

Now go away.
 
2013-10-14 10:43:55 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.


She's the person that blew up 4chan at 1 point with some youtube videos I think.

Admittedly, I'm not up on modern art.
 
2013-10-14 10:50:24 PM

busy chillin': Whodat: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.

Then you don't understand marketing.

So by not selling out he has sold out? Okay.

i hope he is reading this thread.


Nope. By selling out he sold out. This latest stunt is ginning up publicity in order to sell more. Hope that you can follow that but if you can't that is ok too.
 
2013-10-14 11:01:04 PM

Ernie the Fork: I used to live in Hell's Kitchen back at the turn of the millennium and there was a Banksy "Andre the Giant-OBEY" stencil on my corner that I must have walked by a katrillion times. Had no idea who he was. It's gone now, but it would be worth $30 or $40K on today's market. If only I had known then....


Shepard Fairey was the artist  behind the OBEY posters.  He also did the Obama HOPE poster, which led to him settling a fair use lawsuit against him.
 
2013-10-14 11:08:49 PM

Whodat: He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully.


I'd be interested in a citation proving he ever really railed (as an adult) against marketing and the art world.  Otherwise, I could just as easily state that his art has always been clever and skillful self-promotion using the the means and ways available to him to break into the world he desired.
 
2013-10-14 11:24:52 PM
Wasn't Bansky the generic Enterprise crewman who beamed down with Kirk and always got killed in the opening scene?
 
2013-10-14 11:39:27 PM
www.csus.edu
 
2013-10-15 12:08:01 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: skozlaw: This just in, nobody ever cared what Banksy was spray-painting, they cared that he was spray-painting it on someone else's stuff because that's so "edgy" and "dangerous".

Tagging is to art as a Che t-shirt is to political discourse.

[classes.design.ucla.edu image 450x485]


Exactly. Banksy isn't famous, he's infamous. His name isn't known because his "art" is great or fantastic, it's because he's a prolific law-breaker. If it was any good, that shiat would have been bought on merit alone, but guess what... it wasn't.
 
2013-10-15 12:49:59 AM
static.ddmcdn.com

Cry me a river.
 
2013-10-15 01:21:50 AM
Well he (or she) got you lot talking about the nature of art.


//job done
 
2013-10-15 01:36:27 AM

Terrible Old Man: If it was any good, that shiat would have been bought on merit alone, but guess what... it wasn't.


No one buys a Damien Hirst work of art because of the merit. Hell Hirst is one of the artists Banksy really can't stand. See the thing with Banksy is we have no idea who he is and it doesn't matter. Which is kind of the whole point to the act, who the artist is, what they are, doesn't matter. Yet in today's art world, art dealers make it matter. They sell stuff as being worth something because of who made it, and who made it matters because of whatever X, Y and Z they happen to choose. With Banksy we don't even know his name, let alone anything about him. Well we do know he makes an assload of money.
 
2013-10-15 07:55:02 AM
"art"
 
2013-10-15 07:58:48 AM

WhyteRaven74: No one buys a Damien Hirst work of art because of the merit. Hell Hirst is one of the artists Banksy really can't stand. See the thing with Banksy is we have no idea who he is and it doesn't matter. Which is kind of the whole point to the act, who the artist is, what they are, doesn't matter. Yet in today's art world, art dealers make it matter. They sell stuff as being worth something because of who made it, and who made it matters because of whatever X, Y and Z they happen to choose. With Banksy we don't even know his name, let alone anything about him. Well we do know he makes an assload of money.


How do you know Banksy doesn't like Damien Hirst's art?
 
2013-10-15 08:20:29 AM

DrBrownCow: WhyteRaven74: No one buys a Damien Hirst work of art because of the merit. Hell Hirst is one of the artists Banksy really can't stand. See the thing with Banksy is we have no idea who he is and it doesn't matter. Which is kind of the whole point to the act, who the artist is, what they are, doesn't matter. Yet in today's art world, art dealers make it matter. They sell stuff as being worth something because of who made it, and who made it matters because of whatever X, Y and Z they happen to choose. With Banksy we don't even know his name, let alone anything about him. Well we do know he makes an assload of money.

How do you know Banksy doesn't like Damien Hirst's art?


I just read a page that claims that Banksy is Damien Hirst.
 
2013-10-15 09:36:33 AM

Whodat: busy chillin': Whodat: busy chillin': Whodat: flynn80: keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.

Lol, worth even more when he's dead.

It is interesting to me that he made is bones as a geurrilla artist but is now his work is selling in galleries etc. He has become a cog in the machine he railed(s) against. He used to decry the money and marketing in the art world. Now he embraces it fully. In short Banksy is a sell out/hypocrite. Granted, he is a wealthy sell out/hypocrite.

It seems to me if he had truly sold out and bought into the hype surrounding him and his work, he sure as sh*t wouldn't sell a few original paintings on the street corner for $420.

Then you don't understand marketing.

So by not selling out he has sold out? Okay.

i hope he is reading this thread.

Nope. By selling out he sold out. This latest stunt is ginning up publicity in order to sell more. Hope that you can follow that but if you can't that is ok too.


Well, good for him. I can't think of any other artist that takes their art that is worth thousands and sells for whatever the consumer is willing to pay.

Life is self promotion.
 
2013-10-15 11:02:36 AM

DrBrownCow: Ernie the Fork: I used to live in Hell's Kitchen back at the turn of the millennium and there was a Banksy "Andre the Giant-OBEY" stencil on my corner that I must have walked by a katrillion times. Had no idea who he was. It's gone now, but it would be worth $30 or $40K on today's market. If only I had known then....

Shepard Fairey was the artist  behind the OBEY posters.  He also did the Obama HOPE poster, which led to him settling a fair use lawsuit against him.


Ack...you're right. And here I've kept thinking the Obey stuff was Banksy all these years. Still, wonder if they were worth anything. Probably nowhere near a Banksy.

I also had some Neck Face stuff on the block. I generally hate graffiti but his were oddly humorous.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:56 AM

lennavan: Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.


Shouldn't gold be worth the same amount no matter how much people need to use it?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of precious metals.

/psst, almost nothing has some objective value out "there" -- it is all based on what people, in a particular setting, are willing to spend
 
2013-10-15 05:05:14 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: AeAe: Tyrone Slothrop: AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]

Many people don't know this, but everyone in that painting except the woman in the front has something to hide.

I'm not familiar.  Care to explain?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lngGPsJ1pQ

/man, kids today...


Nice.  First, I love that song.  And second, what a completely unexpected reference.
 
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