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2013-10-14 11:57:41 AM

ransack.: Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.


Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand. Trying to get young artists to understand this is particularly difficult. Young artists think just because they are "good" they are going to be famous and make money. It is 90% about who you know and creating an effective brand image. What is really pretty funny is that your average Joe respects skill and aesthetic more-so than most avid art collectors and artists. This is precisely why most people don't give his work a second glance, and I don't blame them. I have never seen anything particularly compelling about Banksy's work. I absolutely despise intellectual artists as well.
 
2013-10-14 12:00:55 PM

Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.


What?  Pointilism wasn't invented in the 1300s.  I think you're confusing DaVinci with Verdi.
 
2013-10-14 12:07:53 PM

the money is in the banana stand: ransack.: Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.

Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand. Trying to get young artists to understand this is particularly difficult. Young artists think just because they are "good" they are going to be famous and make money. It is 90% about who you know and creating an effective brand image. What is really pretty funny is that your average Joe respects skill and aesthetic more-so than most avid art collectors and artists. This is precisely why most people don't give his work a second glance, and I don't blame them. I have never seen anything particularly compelling about Banksy's work. I absolutely despise intellectual artists as well.


So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?
I think I'm starting to understand.
 
2013-10-14 12:15:24 PM
uh huh huh...420
 
2013-10-14 12:20:25 PM

the money is in the banana stand: ransack.: Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.

Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand. Trying to get young artists to understand this is particularly difficult. Young artists think just because they are "good" they are going to be famous and make money. It is 90% about who you know and creating an effective brand image. What is really pretty funny is that your average Joe respects skill and aesthetic more-so than most avid art collectors and artists. This is precisely why most people don't give his work a second glance, and I don't blame them. I have never seen anything particularly compelling about Banksy's work. I absolutely despise intellectual artists as well.


Which is why I love this so much

thelocation.files.wordpress.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hampton_%28artist%29

My Young Artist Friends (TM) know that's the name of the game and think it's crap.  But because they need to eat they have day jobs - often that relate to art, but still - so they can great their art honestly on the side.

/I like 'em
 
2013-10-14 12:20:51 PM

Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.


Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night
 
2013-10-14 12:22:35 PM

bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


Wikipedia's wrong, it's Georgia O'Keeffe.

Or maybe Anne Frank.
 
2013-10-14 12:26:37 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night

Wikipedia's wrong, it's Georgia O'Keeffe.

Or maybe Anne Frank.


That's pretty good art for a blind girl.
 
2013-10-14 12:28:53 PM
I thought it was kind of ugly and minimalist on the canvas, can't say I'm a fan.  I never got the concept of paying for an artists name.  I either like something, or I don't.
 
2013-10-14 12:29:28 PM

ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?


More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.
 
2013-10-14 12:30:41 PM

skozlaw: ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?

More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.


Feel better?
 
2013-10-14 12:38:16 PM

lennavan: Fubini: Who is going to believe a random street vendor when he says he's got art by a world-class artist? He can't really sell them as such. If you went to an art house and did some advertising first you'd get a much better take.

Well, that was kinda the point I took from the video.  You stick a painting up in a museum or whatever and everyone thinks it's great and worth a fortune.  You stick the same painting with a random street vendor and suddenly that painting sucks and isn't worth much.  Presumably world-class artists make good art.  Shouldn't good be good no matter where it's at?  Kinda says something sad about the current state of art.


Good is largely a matter of fashion and popularity, and the number of people who can tell the difference between what's fashionable and not (or even care to do so) is small. The number of such people who will wonder by a random street corner is even smaller.
 
2013-10-14 12:38:53 PM

bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night



I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too
 
2013-10-14 12:42:38 PM

Gothnet: StreetlightInTheGhetto: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night

Wikipedia's wrong, it's Georgia O'Keeffe.

Or maybe Anne Frank.

That's pretty good art for a blind girl.


Its abstract for a reason.
 
2013-10-14 12:45:18 PM

busy chillin': Feel better?


I don't really feel bad about the fact that Banksy is terrible and his fans are suckers, so, no, not really. It's not really a relevant question.
 
2013-10-14 12:45:35 PM
That area of Central Park is all tourists. If he went to Williamsburg, the hipsters would have recognized it as Banksy art.
 
2013-10-14 12:54:36 PM

GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too


Anyone who cites Pollock's work as amazing has horrible taste in art. Pollock is the retarded version of Cy Twombly, and that is saying a lot.
 
2013-10-14 12:55:16 PM

skozlaw: busy chillin': Feel better?

I don't really feel bad about the fact that Banksy is terrible and his fans are suckers, so, no, not really. It's not really a relevant question.


You realize you sound bitter, right? Makes me think your macaroni noodle sculptures are just too intelligent. People will come around. Keep your chin up.
 
2013-10-14 12:55:43 PM

skozlaw: ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?

More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.


Damn man, did you put an innocent man in jail this morning or something? In two posts, my impression of you went from 'interesting guy with often decent points' to 'Mr. Butthurt.' What gives?
 
2013-10-14 12:56:39 PM

GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too


Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-14 12:56:48 PM
yeah, because they were really pushing it that they were legit banksy at the time of the selling....
what a publicity monger
 
2013-10-14 12:59:45 PM
I think stuff like this is great.

I saw it mentioned above, but if you haven't seen "Exit through the Gift Shop" you totally should.
 
2013-10-14 01:01:20 PM
Whenever topics about art and pop-culture show up on Fark, it's easy to tell how old, white, conservative and out of touch most Farkers are.
 
2013-10-14 01:05:02 PM

skozlaw: ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?

More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.


Are you Bansky?
 
2013-10-14 01:06:42 PM

the money is in the banana stand: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Anyone who cites Pollock's work as amazing has horrible taste in art. Pollock is the retarded version of Cy Twombly, and that is saying a lot.


stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg
 
2013-10-14 01:08:07 PM

psychopathic tendencies: What gives?


Presumably, I stopped saying what you wanted to hear.

ransack.: Are you Bansky?


Tom Morello.
 
2013-10-14 01:12:58 PM

AeAe: GuyFawkes: bin_smokin: Bslim: AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.

Nope, its Van Gogh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night


I've seen Starry Night hundreds of times now and still love it.  The "new" Pollock at MoMA is pretty amazing too.

/member of MoMA
//banksy is pretty cool too

Yes, I like the Impressionists.  I especially like A Saturday Afternoon with My Monkey by Matisse:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x571]


www.reverseshot.com
 
2013-10-14 01:19:49 PM

twincamakiko: Whenever topics about art and pop-culture show up on Fark, it's easy to tell how old, white, conservative and out of touch most Farkers are.


Old, white, conservatives are the best patrons art has ever had. =)
 
2013-10-14 01:20:11 PM

skozlaw: psychopathic tendencies: What gives?

Presumably, I stopped saying what you wanted to hear.

ransack.: Are you Bansky?

Tom Morello.


No, you started saying stupid, defensive, bitter shiat about topics with which you have no education or insight. So, actually, yes - I recant my previous statement. You did, in fact, stop saying what I wanted to hear which, from now until the end of time, shall be known as 'intelligent and informed discourse.'

/maybe you can try again, this time resisting the urge to channel your inner 16 year old art philosopher.
 
2013-10-14 01:21:27 PM

Badafuco: uh huh huh...420


Came to make a juvenile pot reference as well.

/I'll smoke to those sales figures.
 
2013-10-14 01:22:30 PM

skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.


No, you're thinking of Daddy Warbucks.

Norman Rockwell is the paranoid black guy from that 1980's video.
 
2013-10-14 01:32:53 PM
My aunt painted me a picture of an outhouse. It proudly hangs outside my bathroom next to my signed Apollo 16 lithograph. Still need to to get my poster of the USS Akron flying over San Francisco framed.
 
2013-10-14 01:33:28 PM

keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this  thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.


And Bansky is now shiatting on whoever paid that much.
 
2013-10-14 01:37:31 PM

dukef: I fail to appreciate the haters. Sure he's trolling, but he's a very good artist making a point. Which is also art. I would like to believe that, had I been walking by that day, I would have recognized his work and become a millionaire for a few hundred bucks.

R. MUTT


Well, aren't you du champ?
/misspelled on purpose.
 
2013-10-14 01:43:12 PM

keepitcherry: Lol @ people in this thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.


Lol, worth even more when he's dead.
 
2013-10-14 01:46:48 PM
Some Farkers here need to read Jacques Barzun's From Dawn to Decadence.
 
2013-10-14 01:49:46 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand


This is what i meant by Warhol farking everything up.
 
2013-10-14 02:08:59 PM

psychopathic tendencies: You did, in fact, stop saying what I wanted to hear which, from now until the end of time, shall be known as 'intelligent and informed discourse.'


Feel free to offer a differing opinion instead of just whining about the one I proffered then.

You know what's really the WORST thing about Banksy, though? He's just Xavier Prou without the benefit of being novel.
 
2013-10-14 02:12:02 PM
I've never been a fan of his work.  His "edgy" juxtaposition of wholesome figures doing subversive acts seems about as creative as a high school kid's notebook.

I get the feeling in about 25 years or so, it will be looked back as something as corny and dated as Patrick Nagel's 80s Girls.
 
2013-10-14 02:30:03 PM

dukef: I fail to appreciate the haters. Sure he's trolling, but he's a very good artist making a point. Which is also art. I would like to believe that, had I been walking by that day, I would have recognized his work and become a millionaire for a few hundred bucks.

R. MUTT


Banksy fans can dish it out, but can't take it. It seems like a case of butt-hurt for the hipper than thou set. In "Capital" John Lanchester gives his readers "Smitty" , a parody of Banksy who in a paragraph or two presents the business model followed by this anonymous genius.
 
2013-10-14 02:34:11 PM

ransack.: skozlaw: ransack.: So it's just like how Kanye West sold out of his $120 Kanye-brand plain white t-shirt?

More like Rage Against the Machine. Pseudo-intellectual satire, sarcasm and criticism aimed at appealing to people who want to feel like they're rebellious but don't want to put in the effort or risk to actually rebel against anything.

Plus it's not even his own technique. He copied some French guy without really expanding the style or adding his own signature to it.

That's why his crap is "worth" so much. It appeals to every retard with a checkbook bigger than their brain.

Are you Bansky?


I am Spartacus!
 
2013-10-14 02:39:57 PM

DarkVader: you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


I literally used the word "steal" once and the emphasizing italics were on it for a reason.

Most of the guy's "artwork" is essentially stolen and stenciled imagery hence why I chose the word I used. I was simply mentioning the irony of the situation.
 
2013-10-14 03:10:08 PM

JohnCarter: Unless he produces art like this, he is nothing to me


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-14 03:16:21 PM
All I could think of when I saw 'Banksy'
i102.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-14 03:22:07 PM

Crewmannumber6: All I could think of when I saw 'Banksy'
[i102.photobucket.com image 480x360]


I'm seeing "Brasky" for some reason.

planetwill.jt.org
 
2013-10-14 03:28:57 PM

J. Frank Parnell: the money is in the banana stand: Art is mostly not about technical skill, ability, or aesthetic. Like most anything else, it is about creating a brand

This is what i meant by Warhol farking everything up.


Warhol did not create kitsch art or create Pop Culture references in art. He may have popularized it with his eccentric character, but this sort of behavior can be dated back well before America even existed as a thought. Your classic artists had a brand the same way people like Warhol have a brand. Art doesn't sell art, people sell art. The artist is more important than the artwork itself. The trick is to get noticed. Any sort of publicity is good. Would you rank Piss Christ up on the same level as say The Raft of the Medusa?
 
2013-10-14 03:29:51 PM

Fubini: Why sad? Banksy isn't exactly a household name, people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art, and the streets of New York aren't exactly a prominent arthouse.


The people who are "really attracked to his work" aren't "young people", they are "thugs who like to spray paint crap on other peoples property".

Thugs don't spend a lot of money on art.
 
2013-10-14 03:36:01 PM

JuggleGeek: The people who are "really attracked to his work" aren't "young people", they are "thugs who like to spray paint crap on other peoples property".


You may want to explain then the people who've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for his paintings on canvas. Also one of his pieces ended up in a museum's permanent collection in the most peculiar of ways. It was a piece basically playing a joke on old cave man paintings. Somehow he got it in the museum next to the other works and there it was for at least a day. When the curator saw it, he was so amused he decided the museum would keep it because well damn Bansky pranked them and that's nothing to be upset about.
 
2013-10-14 03:39:05 PM

BumpInTheNight: Not sure what he's trying to proof other then how much of the art world relies on perception and marketing to valuate their products,


I don't think he's necessarily trying to prove anything. He's in a way like Keith Haring who didn't really like the idea that only people with a lot of money could get new art. So Haring sold posters, t-shirts, postcards etc, that way anyone who wanted one of his works could have it in a form that fit their budget and likes. Also Banksy really, really hates art dealers so why not just sell from some table outside?
 
2013-10-14 03:59:26 PM
spacebison.com
 
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