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2013-10-14 10:37:06 AM
I thought there was a VIDEO tag. Who is namely?
 
2013-10-14 10:37:35 AM
Since the artists name was not made known to the potential buyers, what do you expect.
 
2013-10-14 10:39:42 AM
I don't really like artists. I have problems trying to maintain a sensible conversation with them most of the time.

But I like observing them in their element, and seeing their works. Banksy's one of those characters to me, somebody whose work I appreciate, but I would never actively work towards getting into a discussion with him.
 
2013-10-14 10:41:57 AM
If someone pays for it, it isn't art anymore. It's product.
 
2013-10-14 10:42:12 AM
It's amazing how differently this is being reported - here in the UK, it was a Banksy prank. The whole point was to get a homeless guy to sell these 'counterfeits' and point out the hypocrisy of so much of the art world - that, as a few have said, context is everything.

Nothing 'sad' about it, point proven.

Oh and some people now have original Banksy works worth tens of thousands of dollars/pounds, that they got for $60.
 
2013-10-14 10:43:45 AM
That is a brilliant piece of performance art, that is on the genius level compared to his painting an elephant. Also those are some lucky farkers if they ever realize what they got. And also don't forget that the impressionist masters used to sell there wares on the streets in Paris.
 
2013-10-14 10:44:07 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: That's kind of the point of Banksy. At least his earlier stuff. And say what you will about skill, he forced a dialogue that needed to be forced.


A monologue with yourself is still a monologue.
 
2013-10-14 10:45:04 AM
Is this the thread where people who don't understand an attack on traditional art values demonize the man pointing out that "modern art" is nothing more than a thinly veiled marketing division?
 
2013-10-14 10:45:11 AM

Billy Bathsalt: It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.


He should've played on the right side of the escalator.
 
2013-10-14 10:45:43 AM
Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.
 
2013-10-14 10:46:15 AM

Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.


The real winners are the people who bought them for $60 each. I wonder how much they will resell them for. Thousands, I expect. Lemme check eBay.
 
2013-10-14 10:46:27 AM

Billy Bathsalt: It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.


Actually it was a grown woman who actually recognized him from having seen him at the Library of Congress perform before.
 
2013-10-14 10:46:38 AM
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

Particularly if a sidewalk vendor seems to be cashing in on an artist's recent publicity with forgeries, the proceeds of which will not benefit the artist.

Fake "Banksy" postcards, mugs and posters are on sale all over London and at a lot of touristy places around the UK. The most reasonable assumption would be that the vendor was selling fakes.

CSB: How do I know they are all knock-offs?

A few years ago I e-mailed his website to ask about the mugs and stuff in London and got this back:

"Hi Target Builder's real name,

Thanks for your email.

Yes, all the 'merchandise' has been produced without Banksy's permission.

If you're talking about the book 'Wall and Piece'?
That was compiled and written by Banksy and is totally official.

Best regards
Pest Control Office

 "
 
2013-10-14 10:47:44 AM

Mr_Ectomy: Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.

The real winners are the people who bought them for $60 each. I wonder how much they will resell them for. Thousands, I expect. Lemme check eBay.


If they know what they have. They're probably going to end up either trashed or in a Goodwill donation box in under 5 years.
 
2013-10-14 10:47:47 AM

gordoLDN: Oh and some people now have original Banksy works worth tens of thousands of dollars/pounds, that they got for $60.


Art, like comic books, is worth what you can sell it for, not what the listing says it's worth.
 
2013-10-14 10:50:30 AM

Target Builder: Yes, all the 'merchandise' has been produced without Banksy's permission.


Is there such a thing as "permitted" graffiti?

Once it's legitimate, it's no longer graffiti, is it? It's just stenciling.
 
2013-10-14 10:52:38 AM

This text is now purple: Target Builder: Yes, all the 'merchandise' has been produced without Banksy's permission.

Is there such a thing as "permitted" graffiti?

Once it's legitimate, it's no longer graffiti, is it? It's just stenciling.


If it's printed on a postcard, hand towel or the side of a coffee mug then it's probably not graffiti.
 
2013-10-14 10:56:16 AM

Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.


I would be sad if I only grossed $420 in a day.
 
2013-10-14 10:58:10 AM
But it ain't no contribution
To rely on an institution
To validate your chosen art
And to sanction your boredom and let you play out your part

Jim Carroll
 
2013-10-14 10:59:49 AM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.

I would be sad if I only grossed $420 in a day.


Look out! We got a 1%ist over here!
 
2013-10-14 11:00:30 AM
I don't know a lot about Banksy, but I do recognize a few of the works in the video. If I had been walking by, it probably would have caught my eye. Anybody know where this guy was selling them? Was it outside of the Met or something?
 
2013-10-14 11:01:30 AM

ransack.: Am I the only American who just now heard of this guy for the first time? Is he a hipster icon or something? It looks like he just spray-paints clip art onto buildings. You should see some of the graffiti on the trains here in Indiana. Some of those guys have serious skill with a spraycan.


There is a guy set up on the boardwalk in Wilidwood NJ, he calls himself Joshua Moonshine.

He sits there all day listening to techno and making Roger Deen like album covers with spray paint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ4vNXcEwfQ
 
2013-10-14 11:03:02 AM
"Um, I just wanted to come into this thread to say I've never heard of him, so that invalidates him, and Ima go back to masturbating to Norman Rockwell paintings"

...

I don't even know why some of you people feel it's necessary to comment.
 
2013-10-14 11:03:07 AM

AgentPothead: Is this the thread where people who don't understand an attack on traditional art values demonize the man pointing out that "modern art" is nothing more than a thinly veiled marketing division?


The entire art world is false. I worked in it for years and have seen it all. Limited editions that sold for ten thousand end up being worth hundreds. In reality most of the "prints" are just printed from a printer now anyway and then signed by the artist or their assistant. Auctions rigged by the artist and investors to drive up the prices and to create a value that isn't real. Hell I've touched up some artwork myself. So in somebodies house is a piece that has my handiwork where I dabbed it with a sharpie or some framers mud. Art is about the name not the quality. You build the name and the experience of buying it. That is the art world. I love art however and did like working in the business. But seriously forget the name and the hype. Buy it because you like it and don't worry about the rest.
 
2013-10-14 11:03:30 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MelGoesOnTour: StreetlightInTheGhetto: MelGoesOnTour: MelGoesOnTour: Who's Banksy?  Never heard of him.her.

Oh, yeah, now I remember reading about him. I think he should be arrested for vandalism.

It's cool that you shared your well informed opinion with us, thanks.

Next time he scrawls his "art" on property you (not he) own, give me a call to tell me how happy you are about it.


I'd feel like this:

[cdn.uproxx.com image 650x365]


GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

He did this where my Grandfather used to work.  I was OK with it.  I'm not OK with the gallery people who cut it down, even if someone else would've done the same.  But that's me.

laughingsquid.com
 
2013-10-14 11:04:32 AM

Mirrorz: Fubini: ...people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art...

I imagine they just walked by and snapped a pic of his graffiti with their phones. His art by nature is disrespectful so I would expect anyone actually interested in it to just go ahead and steal it.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2013-10-14 11:12:58 AM
If I did believe it was a Banksy, the only reason I'd buy it would be to turn around and sell it to someone else.
 
2013-10-14 11:13:12 AM

Billy Bathsalt: It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.


Debunked.
/too lazy to go looking for the link.
 
2013-10-14 11:17:20 AM
Damn! I was in the City over the weekend. Unfortunately, I didn't go near the park.
 
2013-10-14 11:17:50 AM
Lol @ people in this  thread shiatting on Banksy. The guy has sold pieces for over a million dollars.
 
2013-10-14 11:17:59 AM
Jesus, i tried to sell a baseball and no one cared. But then I said it was a home run ball from Babe Ruth and the price went up.

It's like people just care about the name attached to things. My friend can dunk a basketball and nobody cares, but when Jordan did everybody goes crazy.

PHONIES!

/it's almost like people like other people and become fans of other people and then put more value on what that person does.
//super duper weird
 
2013-10-14 11:18:59 AM

This text is now purple: StreetlightInTheGhetto: That's kind of the point of Banksy. At least his earlier stuff. And say what you will about skill, he forced a dialogue that needed to be forced.

A monologue with yourself is still a monologue.


You can have a monologue with another person?
 
2013-10-14 11:20:32 AM

Nietzsche Keen: "Um, I just wanted to come into this thread to say I've never heard of him, so that invalidates him, and Ima go back to masturbating to Norman Rockwell paintings"

...

I don't even know why some of you people feel it's necessary to comment.


Who's Norman Rockwell?
 
2013-10-14 11:21:28 AM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Jeng: Dude made $420 in one day, I'd be pretty damn happy if I made $420 a day.

I would be sad if I only grossed $420 in a day.


Gay porn?

/ it's gay porn, isn't it?
// I'm going with "gay porn"
 
2013-10-14 11:21:54 AM

Fubini: Why sad? Banksy isn't exactly a household name, people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art, and the streets of New York aren't exactly a prominent arthouse.


His work (where it's not attached to a building, and even then sometimes they sell the wall, or the whole building) goes for tens of thousands of dollars. Some pieces have gone for hundreds of thousands. The estimate I saw was that these folks that picked up a few pieces at $60 are looking at a roughly $20K profit if they flip them.
 
2013-10-14 11:23:44 AM

ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?


I think he painted soup cans or something.
 
2013-10-14 11:24:50 AM
why would you want graffiti art in print form to begin with? isn't that missing the point of graffiti?
 
2013-10-14 11:26:42 AM

Billy Bathsalt: It's like when Joshua Bell was playing violin in the DC Metro.  The only one to stop and appreciate the music was a small child.


To be fair, if I stopped for 10-15 minutes to listen to someone play music as I was walking to work, I'd be 10-15 minutes late. Did he do this at rush hour, or was he on a train, or what?

/Not being confrontational, it's just I think the context makes a big difference here.
 
2013-10-14 11:27:09 AM

Gothnet: Fubini: Why sad? Banksy isn't exactly a household name, people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art, and the streets of New York aren't exactly a prominent arthouse.

His work (where it's not attached to a building, and even then sometimes they sell the wall, or the whole building) goes for tens of thousands of dollars. Some pieces have gone for hundreds of thousands. The estimate I saw was that these folks that picked up a few pieces at $60 are looking at a roughly $20K profit if they flip them.


Why? Why do people with such large amounts of expendable income want his art? Is it to impress other people? Do they expect it to appreciate in value? Or do they really like looking at his pictures that damn much? Couldn't they just buy a print?

I'm not being facetious here. I really don't get it.
 
2013-10-14 11:27:39 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: This text is now purple: StreetlightInTheGhetto: That's kind of the point of Banksy. At least his earlier stuff. And say what you will about skill, he forced a dialogue that needed to be forced.

A monologue with yourself is still a monologue.

You can have a monologue with another person?


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-10-14 11:28:56 AM
Interesting. I wonder if the "cult of personality" has something to do with it.
 
2013-10-14 11:29:42 AM

busy chillin': Jesus, i tried to sell a baseball and no one cared. But then I said it was a home run ball from Babe Ruth and the price went up.

It's like people just care about the name attached to things. My friend can dunk a basketball and nobody cares, but when Jordan did everybody goes crazy.

PHONIES!

/it's almost like people like other people and become fans of other people and then put more value on what that person does.
//super duper weird


It is kind of weird. I feel that way about actors and actresses. They go on numerous tv shows doing interviews about their "craft" but honestly, who the hell cares? They're people who pretend to feel stuff for a living.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTEqHxh3fI
 
2013-10-14 11:30:39 AM

ransack.: Gothnet: Fubini: Why sad? Banksy isn't exactly a household name, people who are really attracted to his work (young people) are not the kid of folks who are going to drop a lot of money on art, and the streets of New York aren't exactly a prominent arthouse.

His work (where it's not attached to a building, and even then sometimes they sell the wall, or the whole building) goes for tens of thousands of dollars. Some pieces have gone for hundreds of thousands. The estimate I saw was that these folks that picked up a few pieces at $60 are looking at a roughly $20K profit if they flip them.

Why? Why do people with such large amounts of expendable income want his art? Is it to impress other people? Do they expect it to appreciate in value? Or do they really like looking at his pictures that damn much? Couldn't they just buy a print?

I'm not being facetious here. I really don't get it.


Oh I have no idea! I don't really get the art establishment at all. I barely get art. I like pretty things that have some effort go into them, not whatever the fark modern/postmodern/nouveau/wtf art is supposed to be about.

That said Banksy's stuff is fairly skilful, usually at least slightly funny, and a reasonably insightful comment on ... stuff. So I'm less horrified of people spending their money on that than than I am of, for instance, anything by Tracey Emin or Damien Hirst.
 
2013-10-14 11:33:33 AM

ransack.: Nietzsche Keen: "Um, I just wanted to come into this thread to say I've never heard of him, so that invalidates him, and Ima go back to masturbating to Norman Rockwell paintings"

...

I don't even know why some of you people feel it's necessary to comment.

Who's Norman Rockwell?


He fronted a song written by Michael Jackson.
 
2013-10-14 11:35:36 AM

Bedstead Polisher: busy chillin': Jesus, i tried to sell a baseball and no one cared. But then I said it was a home run ball from Babe Ruth and the price went up.

It's like people just care about the name attached to things. My friend can dunk a basketball and nobody cares, but when Jordan did everybody goes crazy.

PHONIES!

/it's almost like people like other people and become fans of other people and then put more value on what that person does.
//super duper weird

It is kind of weird. I feel that way about actors and actresses. They go on numerous tv shows doing interviews about their "craft" but honestly, who the hell cares? They're people who pretend to feel stuff for a living.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTEqHxh3fI


I don't think any of it is weird. We are social creatures with superficial tendencies to impress other people.

The haters want others to agree with them. The fans want others to agree with them. The sun rises in the east.
 
2013-10-14 11:39:21 AM
Sad tag is for this submission I'm guessing.
 
2013-10-14 11:45:28 AM
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-14 11:46:06 AM

skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.


Wrong.  Starry Starry Night

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-14 11:48:55 AM

AeAe: skozlaw: ransack.: Who's Norman Rockwell?

I think he painted soup cans or something.

Wrong.  Starry Starry Night


Nah, that there is a DaVinci in his post-modern period.
 
2013-10-14 11:50:57 AM
Unless he produces art like this, he is nothing to me

blog.lib.umn.edu

www.thevelvetstore.com

images.wikia.com
 
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