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(NPR)   It's been 15 years since the huge tobacco settlement; where has all the money gone? If you said, "toward smoking cessation programs, like it was supposed to," then HAHAHAHAHA, sucker   (npr.org) divider line 98
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2013-10-13 08:42:40 PM
I know my state wasted that money in record time. Like most of us knew they would.
 
2013-10-13 08:49:32 PM
In Maryland, 25% (about $1.1B) went to the owner of the Orioles.
 
2013-10-13 08:52:40 PM
There are a lot less smokers than there were 15 years ago. Restaurants are almost 100% non-smoking. Only once in the last three or four years have I gotten stuck with a hotel room that smelled like an ashtray. So... maybe it worked? Hell, even the public area in front of my office smells a little bit less like a dorm room these days.

In any case, it's money taken from the scum of the earth. If the only thing the DOJ did was take the sacks of cash and throw them on a bonfire, I'd still say justice was served. I really really don't like the "(particularly evil entity) can go die of cancer" schtick, but in the case of executives, investors, and sellers who make money selling something harmful... I'll consider making an exception.

If you lose money investing in a product that kills people, good.
 
2013-10-13 09:03:42 PM
It's a big waste. Government studies done in Europe showed that the money brought in from tobacco taxes combined with the lower costs associated with smokers dying sooner more than made up for any money spent treating smoking-related illnesses.

Gecko Gingrich: In Maryland, 25% (about $1.1B) went to the owner of the Orioles.


How do you think he bought the Orioles? Vast amounts went to private attorneys.

MisterTweak: In any case, it's money taken from the scum of the earth.

It's money taken from smokers in the form of higher prices on cigarettes.
 
2013-10-13 09:15:14 PM

ArkAngel: It's a big waste. Government studies done in Europe showed that the money brought in from tobacco taxes combined with the lower costs associated with smokers dying sooner more than made up for any money spent treating smoking-related illnesses.

Gecko Gingrich: In Maryland, 25% (about $1.1B) went to the owner of the Orioles.

How do you think he bought the Orioles? Vast amounts went to private attorneys.

MisterTweak: In any case, it's money taken from the scum of the earth.

It's money taken from smokers in the form of higher prices on cigarettes.


I stopped smoking, in part because of the increasing cost. End result? I have an extra $20 in my pocket every week, Philip Morris gets $20 less, the government ends up getting nothing in the deal

(but I make fewer visits to the doc for respiratory ailments, I can't prove that's 100% caused by not smoking, but, hey, I got to do nothing for the government, take a Jackson from Altria, and probably deprive Pfizer or Roche of a few bucks as well.)
 
2013-10-13 09:19:12 PM
ArkAngel Actually, he bought the O's before he got the tobacco settlement money...with asbestos settlement money.
 
2013-10-13 09:37:10 PM

MisterTweak: If the only thing the DOJ did was take the sacks of cash and throw them on a bonfire, I'd still say justice was served.


Yeah, but some of us wanted them to take that money and increase their rainy day fund for when revenues fell short of expenditures. It was a LOT of money and could have been a really robust fund, if invested properly.

Don't really care about the smoking cessation crap. The increased prices (taxes) did that for many smokers.

We're better off after the settlement and taxes and I say that as a smoker. An idiot smoker who really should quit. Just wish they saved some of that money because when the crash of 2008-9-10 happened, my state really could have used that money.
 
2013-10-13 09:48:40 PM
"It was not an easy task," Moore tells NPR's Arun Rath. "When we filed our case here in 1994, my governor actually sued me to try to stop the tobacco case."

I'm curious to know the background on that story.
 
2013-10-13 09:59:07 PM

fusillade762: "It was not an easy task," Moore tells NPR's Arun Rath. "When we filed our case here in 1994, my governor actually sued me to try to stop the tobacco case."

I'm curious to know the background on that story.


Check the campaign funds. They tried to bribe their way out of it and only paid the settlement when that attempt failed.
 
2013-10-13 11:39:37 PM
"Tax relief" means they gave the death money to rich people.  How nice.
 
2013-10-13 11:41:18 PM
There are a lot less smokers in my family now.
Yep they have all died off or quit. (mostly died)
 
2013-10-13 11:42:29 PM

MisterTweak: I stopped smoking, in part because of the increasing cost. End result? I have an extra $20 in my pocket every week, Philip Morris gets $20 less, the government ends up getting nothing in the deal


Save for the fact that you're living on, paying taxes.

Something like that, I'd guess.
 
2013-10-13 11:44:44 PM
I was so impressed with how the government handles money that I voted for them to take over the health care system!
 
2013-10-13 11:47:23 PM

ArtosRC: MisterTweak: I stopped smoking, in part because of the increasing cost. End result? I have an extra $20 in my pocket every week, Philip Morris gets $20 less, the government ends up getting nothing in the deal

Save for the fact that you're living on, paying taxes.

Something like that, I'd guess.


And, of course, likely to present a higher lifetime healthcare cost due to more likely getting old.
 
2013-10-13 11:47:55 PM
www.pages.drexel.edu
 
2013-10-13 11:48:04 PM
Stories like this are almost enough to make me start thinking that the government isn't actually looking out for our health and well-being, first and foremost.
 
2013-10-13 11:48:14 PM
This has always made me angry. Illinois has/had an effective phone counseling "quit line" that really worked, and it was always starved for funds, it may even be shut down now during the budget crisis, because the asshole legislature diverted all the tobacco money to pork projects or deferring tax hikes. If they  only use ten percent of that money for the actual smoking cessation programs, we'd see incredible health benefits.
 
2013-10-13 11:50:43 PM
In Oklahoma, it pays for an 800 number that helps people quit.  I actually quit smoking almost 6  years ago using their help.  They give 8 weeks of patches, gum, or lozenges to anyone who wants to quit, as well as phone counseling.
 
2013-10-13 11:52:26 PM
"Things such as lung cancer, heart disease, emphysema, low-birth-weight babies and others, we have to pay," Moore told NPR in a 1994 interview. "The state is obligated to pay for those for our citizens that are not covered in other ways, and we feel like they're caused by the tobacco products."

So, how much of that money went to the hospitals who were absorbing those costs that Mississippi originally sued for? I'm guessing a big fat zero.
 
2013-10-13 11:52:28 PM

Any Pie Left: If they only use ten percent of that money for the actual smoking cessation programs, we'd see incredible health benefits.


What makes you think the government wants people to buying tobacco?
 
2013-10-13 11:53:08 PM
"We have new products coming out - e-cigarettes and the like - we just need to talk the states into spending the money to do something about it."

See, this is the stuff that reveals their true colors. A lot of these self styled health crusader types aren't that concerned about health - they're prohibitionists.
 
2013-10-13 11:54:01 PM
the settlement was just a sin tax.

the indiana legisature used some of the money to pay for their own healthcare. because they are immoral whores.
 
2013-10-13 11:54:20 PM
I had always assumed it would be spent on hookers and blow.....
 
2013-10-13 11:55:06 PM
I spent a few years working for BCBS of MN who was part of the winning team for the Minnesota Tobacco settlement.  Their foundation is what happens when you give a small group of people tons of money.  Lots of wasted energy in pointless programs and salaries.  The only remotely useful thing out of it was the NiceRide biking program which the tobacco money largely finances.

/lets not get started about the unethical hacks who run BCBSMN - that's another post
 
2013-10-13 11:55:59 PM

GoldSpider: What makes you think the government wants people to stop buying tobacco?


FTFM
 
2013-10-13 11:56:48 PM
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-13 11:58:16 PM

BigJake: "We have new products coming out - e-cigarettes and the like - we just need to talk the states into spending the money to do something about it."

See, this is the stuff that reveals their true colors. A lot of these self styled health crusader types aren't that concerned about health - they're prohibitionists.


I caught this too. If you really want people to quit smoking, why not support a product with a roughly 80% success rate after two years?

By comparison, the two year success rate of the gum and patches is 2%. Nice cash grab, selling products that can't even beat the placebos they tested against.
 
2013-10-13 11:58:56 PM
Welcome to Marlboro Land...

we suck a whole lotta cock as a pastime
 
2013-10-14 12:01:07 AM
Smoking rates in the U.S. are at all-time lows, and cigarette addicts have long since been driven from public transport, workplaces, clubs, homes, restaurants, and bars and now are fleeing to "e-cigarettes" (the modern version of smoking-through-mah-trach-hole-because-f*ck-you-and-FREEDOM11!).

I'm glad that blood money's going to something better than telling retards who know they're retarded that they're retards.
 
2013-10-14 12:01:33 AM

Gecko Gingrich: In Maryland, 25% (about $1.1B) went to the owner of the Orioles.




At least it wasn't wasted on football.
 
2013-10-14 12:02:23 AM
I quit smoking about 7 months ago. I used the lozenges to help kick the habit. Paid for it myself, but only needed to buy two packages of the lozenges and didn't even use all the second package. Those worked great for me. Good luck to anyone else quitting.
 
2013-10-14 12:03:18 AM

MisterTweak: I'd still say justice was served. I really really don't like the "(particularly evil entity) can go die of cancer" schtick, but in the case of executives, investors, and sellers who make money selling something harmful... I'll consider making an exception.



You realize that state and Federal governments make far more money from tobacco sales (via taxes) than do the tobacco companies, right?

That's right. Your government is HOOKED on tobacco money.

And you wonder why they aren't putting money into prevention and cessation?

LOL!
 
2013-10-14 12:03:26 AM
In my state, the current governor, who at the time was the state attorney general, gave the job that should have
been his, to one of his political buddies, who did the settlements for our state, and walked away with a TON
of money in fees.  Since then, he's been spreading his name all over town in the  blank blank building, the
blank blank scholarship fund, the so and so endowment for the arts....of course taking the tax deduction and
getting all of that money back.  He was and still is a crooked lawyer, but now uber rich!
 
2013-10-14 12:10:58 AM

autopsybeverage: why not support a product with a roughly 80% success rate after two years?


Maybe because E-Inhaling™ cancerous chemicals isn't "success"?
 
2013-10-14 12:11:03 AM

JohnnyC: I quit smoking about 7 months ago. I used the lozenges to help kick the habit. Paid for it myself, but only needed to buy two packages of the lozenges and didn't even use all the second package. Those worked great for me. Good luck to anyone else quitting.


Thanks for the advice. Friend of mine swears by the gum. Plan on quitting first of the year.
 
2013-10-14 12:14:30 AM
About one year ago I quit smoking, cold turkey.  Why I was smoking cold turkey in the first place is beyond me.

/I'll be here all week
//don't forget to tip your bartenders and waitresses
 
2013-10-14 12:18:03 AM
The Federal government currently rakes in $1.01 for every pack of cigarettes sold in the US. According to the CDC's figures on cigarette sales (2011), that equates to nearly $14.6 billion in Federal revenue every year.

Add to that state taxes which range from a 17 cents per pack in Missouri to a whopping $4.35 per pack in New York, and it quickly becomes obvious that government is as addicted to tobacco as are smokers.

The Wiki article states "Phillip Morris currently lists all taxes, including federal, state, local, and sales taxes, as 56.6% of the total cost of a pack of cigarettes" - meaning that government draws far more revenue from cigarette sales than do the tobacco companies.


/Cancerous Cash Cow
 
2013-10-14 12:20:39 AM
The Tobacco Settlement was nothing but legalized banditry. Government(s) abused the legal system to take billions from private industry, promised to use the loot for "good", but instead just squandered it. You  know, like any other bandits.
 
2013-10-14 12:20:55 AM

jaytkay: autopsybeverage: why not support a product with a roughly 80% success rate after two years?

Maybe because E-Inhaling™ cancerous chemicals isn't "success"?



Which "cancerous chemicals" are you speaking of, jaytkay? Citations would be nice.

Wait - you weren't under the impression that it is the nicotine in tobacco that causes cancer, were you?
 
2013-10-14 12:22:28 AM

LargeCanine: The Tobacco Settlement was nothing but legalized banditry. Government(s) abused the legal system to take billions from private industry, promised to use the loot for "good", but instead just squandered it. You  know, like any other bandits.



Like they do with all other taxes.

Like the "Social Security Trust Fund" (lol) for example.
 
2013-10-14 12:22:41 AM

jaytkay: autopsybeverage: why not support a product with a roughly 80% success rate after two years?

Maybe because E-Inhaling™ cancerous chemicals isn't "success"?


Sure as hell is better than the alternative. Which is the point that people like you don't seem to understand.
 
2013-10-14 12:22:51 AM
You can smoke pot instead. If you don't mind getting poked in the eyes by the handles.
 
2013-10-14 12:25:03 AM

MisterTweak: There are a lot less smokers than there were 15 years ago. Restaurants are almost 100% non-smoking. Only once in the last three or four years have I gotten stuck with a hotel room that smelled like an ashtray. So... maybe it worked? Hell, even the public area in front of my office smells a little bit less like a dorm room these days.

In any case, it's money taken from the scum of the earth. If the only thing the DOJ did was take the sacks of cash and throw them on a bonfire, I'd still say justice was served. I really really don't like the "(particularly evil entity) can go die of cancer" schtick, but in the case of executives, investors, and sellers who make money selling something harmful... I'll consider making an exception.

If you lose money investing in a product that kills people, good.


Except that the payoff immunizes the tobacco companies from further suits until the end of time. We increased their costs for a little while, but guaranteed their ability to continue to offer their products, which as you say kill people, forever. Thus, we've made the state and federal governments their partners and protectors in order to keep the revenue flowing from this poison. How was that a good thing?
 
2013-10-14 12:31:38 AM
Just like the mortgage settlement money for the suits against the banks that were forging paperwork in court is going to help people that lost their homes.

Oh, wait, it isn't. Most states are using the cash to plug budget holes, and giving wronged homeowners a couple of hundred bucks.
 
2013-10-14 12:31:38 AM
Just passed a year nic free.
Get over tobacco
Go green
 
2013-10-14 12:32:55 AM

BigJake: "We have new products coming out - e-cigarettes and the like - we just need to talk the states into spending the money to do something about it."

See, this is the stuff that reveals their true colors. A lot of these self styled health crusader types aren't that concerned about health - they're prohibitionists.


Bingo. E-cigs helped me quit within weeks but this knob wouldn't hear that part.
 
2013-10-14 12:35:23 AM

Cambrian: jaytkay: autopsybeverage: why not support a product with a roughly 80% success rate after two years?

Maybe because E-Inhaling™ cancerous chemicals isn't "success"?

Sure as hell is better than the alternative. Which is the point that people like you don't seem to understand.


No, I don't understand. What is it?
 
2013-10-14 12:35:31 AM

Amos Quito: LargeCanine: The Tobacco Settlement was nothing but legalized banditry. Government(s) abused the legal system to take billions from private industry, promised to use the loot for "good", but instead just squandered it. You  know, like any other bandits.


Like they do with all other taxes.

Like the "Social Security Trust Fund" (lol) for example.


Fair point.
 
2013-10-14 12:38:31 AM
Those smoking cessation programs are a myth and a scam... know this from personal experience. Had to force myself to stop, and haven't had one since.  TRYING to stop via the "program" was BS. Starts you out on the patch (at HIGHEST LEVEL) and I was doing great.. down to 3 a day: 2 in morning hours, 1 in evening.  Then came time for second script.... went to fill it and they said it was too soon,  Seriously? 2 days early is too soon?  Well, ok. So, I came back 2 days later on the exact, 30 days later from previous fill - too farking late, expired, cannot be filled, go to hell and eat a bowl of shiat.
That was it, no more patches.

If anyone from those smoking cessation programs happens across this thread, from the bottom of my heart and soul, go to hell you rotten, thieving, sons of biatches.
 
2013-10-14 12:38:34 AM

Any Pie Left: This has always made me angry. Illinois has/had an effective phone counseling "quit line" that really worked, and it was always starved for funds, it may even be shut down now during the budget crisis, because the asshole legislature diverted all the tobacco money to pork projects or deferring tax hikes. If they  only use ten percent of that money for the actual smoking cessation programs, we'd see incredible health benefits.


Illinois spent its money on road construction. George Ryan almost immediately dumped something like $900 million of it into "fixing the Hillside Strangler", which attempted to fix a bottleneck by widening the bottle.
 
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