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2013-10-13 09:52:19 PM  
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Poor? Looks to me like he wants to be a Hobbit.
 
2013-10-13 09:53:22 PM  
an underground "Hobbit hole"

Ah. Guess I should have read TFA before posting.
 
2013-10-13 11:26:31 PM  
I am poor, and I totally get depressed when I have to spend my limited funds on just about anything. Spending money physically hurts :(
 
2013-10-13 11:27:12 PM  
During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.
 
2013-10-13 11:29:14 PM  
This deserves a Asinine tag.
 
2013-10-13 11:29:22 PM  
i get depressed when i cant buy something i need.

wtf?
 
2013-10-13 11:29:56 PM  
I think everyone who's ever had to pay rent can see the appeal of moving into a hole in the ground.
 
2013-10-13 11:30:06 PM  

Gyrfalcon: During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.


Wait, how much does it cost to just up and jet to Hawaii for an entire season or two? Is this an extremely cheap method of living that I'm missing out on?
 
2013-10-13 11:30:07 PM  
Sounds like the author is trying to grasp for straws and claiming that people are "choosing poverty", based upon the actions of one Hipster who read a book and acted upon the suggestions in that book.
 
2013-10-13 11:31:53 PM  

fusillade762: an underground "Hobbit hole"

Ah. Guess I should have read TFA before posting.


Fark has articles now??
 
2013-10-13 11:32:10 PM  
He's living on $5000 a month. That is NOT f*cking poor!

Try living on $550 a month and $17 in food stamps (on average) like most people on assistance do, ya poser! Till then, you're just camping out.
 
2013-10-13 11:34:06 PM  

TV's Vinnie: He's living on $5000 a month. That is NOT f*cking poor!

Try living on $550 a month and $17 in food stamps (on average) like most people on assistance do, ya poser! Till then, you're just camping out.


Uhhh, that's $5000 a year.
 
2013-10-13 11:35:47 PM  
I was poor before it became cool.
 
2013-10-13 11:38:35 PM  
There are serious benefits to extreme poverty that simply can not be gained any other way.

Money and materialism will get in the way every damn time.

Intentionally poor folks are some sharp folks.
 
2013-10-13 11:40:07 PM  
That's $5000 a  year. $416 and change a month. I too would like to know how he travels and lives in Hawaii every winter. Did he use his macbook air to learn 1 weird trick that airlines hate and flys to Hawaii for free?
 
2013-10-13 11:40:09 PM  
While the guy who lives in the Hobbit hole is taking things to an extreme, I think some people are beginning to realize that many of us have gone way too far in trying to accumulate things - luxurious cars, bigger home and more crap to fill up that home. It no longer makes us happy. In fact, owning too much stuff makes us unhappy. We're sold a dream that has turned into a nightmare. One of the fastest growing industries in the last decade has been the self-storage industry. Even though our homes are getting bigger and bigger, we're buying so much crap we don't have anywhere to store it anymore.

I thought the 2008 recession would have taught us valuable lessons about overspending, but here it is, 5 years later and it seems that we didn't learn a thing. I used to bring up the topic of "voluntary simplicity" in casual conversation before, but it doesn't seem to be something very many people want to hear. Talk about the latest reality show, however, and people are all ears. Oh well...
 
2013-10-13 11:40:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.


Uh, no, you just go the the ER.  It's okay to skip on the bill and pass the cost onto paying folks- Mitt said this is how healthcare is supposed to work.
 
2013-10-13 11:41:44 PM  
He wants to live like common people I s'pose.

See whatever they see.

Maybe sleep with them, who knows?
 
2013-10-13 11:41:51 PM  

Aranur: That's $5000 a  year. $416 and change a month. I too would like to know how he travels and lives in Hawaii every winter. Did he use his macbook air to learn 1 weird trick that airlines hate and flys to Hawaii for free?


I had a friend who used to head out there every year by hitching the Cali and then working on a trawler for food and passage.
 
2013-10-13 11:42:40 PM  
*to Cali
 
2013-10-13 11:54:28 PM  
"When I buy something I get this depressed feeling"

And when I get this feeling, I want sexual healing.
 
2013-10-13 11:57:14 PM  
I wouldn't believe in mortgages and rent either if I could hook up with some land for $100 a year, where I could ignore the building code.
 
2013-10-13 11:57:37 PM  
So he ditched his family to live in a ditch...

i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-13 11:59:21 PM  
In a hole in the ground there lived a bum. A nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell.
 
2013-10-14 12:04:03 AM  

Aranur: That's $5000 a  year. $416 and change a month. I too would like to know how he travels and lives in Hawaii every winter. Did he use his macbook air to learn 1 weird trick that airlines hate and flys to Hawaii for free?


$416 a month? That's less than half of what my mom pays for her health insurance alone.

...

I hate America.
 
2013-10-14 12:04:39 AM  
I don't wanna be intentionally poor but I can see the appeal of not buying shiat becuase society says you should. Why would you work your ass off all week so you can afford a house so that you then must spend a big chunk of the weekend maintaining?
 
2013-10-14 12:04:47 AM  
When I was 20-24 I wouldn't have minded living in the  Manhattan's Washington Heights neighborhood  for $125 a week. Although I'd have to really not have the clutter I did. Where would I have put my cds, tapes and records.
 
2013-10-14 12:10:55 AM  
Honestly, if I didn't have children I could live on a very small income. I also have zero debt though, so...

I'm really dreading the idea of going back to school. For one, because I don't want to be indebted for the rest of my life, but mainly because I have no idea what I want to do.

I really don't want to buy into our debt culture, but it's looking inevitable. Especially if I ever want to raise the standard of living for my children.

In guessing this guy is a deadbeat dad.
 
2013-10-14 12:11:18 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I wouldn't believe in mortgages and rent either if I could hook up with some land for $100 a year, where I could ignore the building code.

 You don't have to build to code for a structure under 20 sf.  It's called a "structure of no consequence."  It means basically if you build a shed or some such don't worry about it.
 
2013-10-14 12:11:54 AM  
Whoops. 200 sf.
 
2013-10-14 12:13:57 AM  
Where does he pee and poop? How does it get taken care of?
 
2013-10-14 12:14:01 AM  
I'd be interested to know what his relationship with his two children is like.
 
2013-10-14 12:17:39 AM  

DogBlack: Ker_Thwap: I wouldn't believe in mortgages and rent either if I could hook up with some land for $100 a year, where I could ignore the building code.
 You don't have to build to code for a structure under 20 sf.  It's called a "structure of no consequence."  It means basically if you build a shed or some such don't worry about it.


DogBlack: Whoops. 200 sf.


Building codes vary by municipality. This rule doesn't apply where I live, and I'd be willing to bet that applies to other places as well.
 
2013-10-14 12:18:08 AM  

DogBlack: Whoops. 200 sf.


Really? Cool, guess that means I didn't break the law building an 8x8 shed last year. I thought I was just living on the edge by not getting any permits or anything.
 
2013-10-14 12:18:49 AM  
Maybe they just want to practice the Christian virtue of poverty.
 
2013-10-14 12:21:33 AM  
www.coldsplinters.com

Hawaii? Amateur...
 
2013-10-14 12:22:00 AM  
I'd be willing to wager that he has more money to his name than the majority of people on this site, what with the crippling debt normal people seem to enjoy.

/I'm poor because I'm willing to wager.
 
2013-10-14 12:24:58 AM  

BigJake: I don't wanna be intentionally poor but I can see the appeal of not buying shiat becuase society says you should. Why would you work your ass off all week so you can afford a house so that you then must spend a big chunk of the weekend maintaining?


Quite honestly, I've always lived pretty close to the bone by not buying this year's fancy tech just because. You don't HAVE to have the latest model of iPod, tablet, TV or whatever, shop at hi-end department stores, etc. If I could find a Bookaholics Anonymous, I'd spend even less. Alas, light reading has gotten pretty damn expensive in the last few years.
 
2013-10-14 12:30:04 AM  
I bet he's happier than most of us.
 
2013-10-14 12:34:37 AM  

DogBlack: Ker_Thwap: I wouldn't believe in mortgages and rent either if I could hook up with some land for $100 a year, where I could ignore the building code.
 You don't have to build to code for a structure under 20 sf.  It's called a "structure of no consequence."  It means basically if you build a shed or some such don't worry about it.


DogBlack: Whoops. 200 sf.


DogBlack, could you please provide me some info on the whole "Structure of no consequence" thing? What state? Limitations? What code section? etc. I tried googling it, but found very little.

Thanks!
 
2013-10-14 12:38:54 AM  

casual disregard: Gyrfalcon: During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.

Wait, how much does it cost to just up and jet to Hawaii for an entire season or two? Is this an extremely cheap method of living that I'm missing out on?


Maybe he joins the crew of a boat or something that takes him to Hawaii. He doesn't have to jet there. He has all the time in the world to make it there for the winter.

As for getting sick and dying, that's pretty much how most hermits die from the accounts of hermits I've read about. But, that usually happens decades and decades after they've become hermits.
 
2013-10-14 12:48:37 AM  

radarlove: There are serious benefits to extreme poverty that simply can not be gained any other way.

Money and materialism will get in the way every damn time.

Intentionally poor folks are some sharp folks.


http://www.thehappyminimalist.net/aboutbook.htm
 
2013-10-14 12:50:09 AM  
I get depressed because I have limited funds and out of nowhere I have to pay for something unexpected that I don't want or can't afford.  Like a MRI that my insurance barely covers.  Or a new computer when my craps out.  Or when I need to get some business clothes, even if it's at Goodwill.  Not because I like being poor.  If I wasn't poor these purchases wouldn't bring me down.
 
2013-10-14 01:02:11 AM  

Gyrfalcon: BigJake: I don't wanna be intentionally poor but I can see the appeal of not buying shiat becuase society says you should. Why would you work your ass off all week so you can afford a house so that you then must spend a big chunk of the weekend maintaining?

Quite honestly, I've always lived pretty close to the bone by not buying this year's fancy tech just because. You don't HAVE to have the latest model of iPod, tablet, TV or whatever, shop at hi-end department stores, etc. If I could find a Bookaholics Anonymous, I'd spend even less. Alas, light reading has gotten pretty damn expensive in the last few years.


http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php
 
2013-10-14 01:05:15 AM  

Gyrfalcon: BigJake: I don't wanna be intentionally poor but I can see the appeal of not buying shiat becuase society says you should. Why would you work your ass off all week so you can afford a house so that you then must spend a big chunk of the weekend maintaining?

Quite honestly, I've always lived pretty close to the bone by not buying this year's fancy tech just because. You don't HAVE to have the latest model of iPod, tablet, TV or whatever, shop at hi-end department stores, etc. If I could find a Bookaholics Anonymous, I'd spend even less. Alas, light reading has gotten pretty damn expensive in the last few years.


I wish there were a place that would let you come in, find a good book, take it home, and then bring it back when you were done reading it.  It would be even cooler if it were FREE.

I guess a guy can dream.
 
2013-10-14 01:11:12 AM  

Atomic Spunk: DogBlack: Ker_Thwap: I wouldn't believe in mortgages and rent either if I could hook up with some land for $100 a year, where I could ignore the building code.
 You don't have to build to code for a structure under 20 sf.  It's called a "structure of no consequence."  It means basically if you build a shed or some such don't worry about it.

DogBlack: Whoops. 200 sf.

Building codes vary by municipality. This rule doesn't apply where I live, and I'd be willing to bet that applies to other places as well.


True. Our city requires building plans and proof of hurricane resistant building for our yard sheds. Actual architect plans, not just the plans that come with a building kit.....
 
2013-10-14 01:17:01 AM  
hooray for rejecting societies demands. its not realistic to expect every person to be willing or able to live the 40 hr a week pay the rent/mortgage life. USA is a huge country, people should be able to live off the land if they're willing and able.
 
2013-10-14 01:17:06 AM  

Gyrfalcon: During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.


Medicaid will cover it.
 
2013-10-14 01:17:20 AM  

radarlove: Gyrfalcon: BigJake: I don't wanna be intentionally poor but I can see the appeal of not buying shiat becuase society says you should. Why would you work your ass off all week so you can afford a house so that you then must spend a big chunk of the weekend maintaining?

Quite honestly, I've always lived pretty close to the bone by not buying this year's fancy tech just because. You don't HAVE to have the latest model of iPod, tablet, TV or whatever, shop at hi-end department stores, etc. If I could find a Bookaholics Anonymous, I'd spend even less. Alas, light reading has gotten pretty damn expensive in the last few years.

I wish there were a place that would let you come in, find a good book, take it home, and then bring it back when you were done reading it.  It would be even cooler if it were FREE.

I guess a guy can dream.


Library books come with free bed bugs these days.
 
2013-10-14 01:20:16 AM  

Atomic Spunk: While the guy who lives in the Hobbit hole is taking things to an extreme, I think some people are beginning to realize that many of us have gone way too far in trying to accumulate things - luxurious cars, bigger home and more crap to fill up that home. It no longer makes us happy. In fact, owning too much stuff makes us unhappy. We're sold a dream that has turned into a nightmare. One of the fastest growing industries in the last decade has been the self-storage industry. Even though our homes are getting bigger and bigger, we're buying so much crap we don't have anywhere to store it anymore.

I thought the 2008 recession would have taught us valuable lessons about overspending, but here it is, 5 years later and it seems that we didn't learn a thing. I used to bring up the topic of "voluntary simplicity" in casual conversation before, but it doesn't seem to be something very many people want to hear. Talk about the latest reality show, however, and people are all ears. Oh well...


You just learned a very valuable lesson...people don't know what they want and are never happy.
 
2013-10-14 01:24:56 AM  
I don't get depressed when I spend, but I certainly don't feel happy, even if the item is something I've saved quite a bit for.  I don't understand people who feel happy shopping and use it as some form of therapy or entertainment.  I never actually plan shopping trips / vacations and eagerly look forward to them.  Different folks, different strokes, I guess.
 
2013-10-14 01:26:35 AM  
What a dumbass. If you've got the money, then use it to have a comfortable life! You don't need to experience other people's sufferings just to be able to say that you have a kind heart or that you can feel for them. That's overly dramatic, unnecessary, and idiotic. You earn money to have a good life, not to suffer from self-induced poverty.
 
2013-10-14 01:33:29 AM  

casual disregard: Gyrfalcon: During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.

Wait, how much does it cost to just up and jet to Hawaii for an entire season or two? Is this an extremely cheap method of living that I'm missing out on?


Round trip tix from PDX to HNL are around $250. And if he's willing to sleep in a hole in Oregon, I assume he's willing to sleep on a beach in Hawaii, so typical vacation expenses are pretty much canceled out.
 
2013-10-14 02:02:15 AM  
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2013-10-14 02:06:34 AM  
Stories like this piss me off.  Not because the dude is being douchetastic about his anti-consumer life choices.  This is America, douche it up all you want.
No, I get annoyed because for every one of these "look how cool I'm living being poor" guys there is someone else paying the freight for his choices.  In the first dude's case, it was his family.  Ya think maybe it would have been better for them if mom and dad stayed married and provided a stable household?  How much child support is he contributing to the raising of his kids only pulling down $5,000 a year?

While reading the article I kept wondering how the guy could afford the actual land to live the way he did.  Then the article came out with it: ""I like being able to do what I want to do," said Price, who pays $100 a year for his land."  Bingo!  As usual, douche relies on kindness / subsidies from others to make his lifestyle plausible.  That's not rejecting materialism, that's being a goddamn leech.

Look, get a mortgage or don't get a mortgage.  You don't want to work a normal job?  I don't blame you, normal jobs suck.  Debt sucks.  Mortgages suck.  Live by your own code, and via con dios.  But at least try to live a zero sum game.  Don't get all high and mighty if you're leeching off others to make ends meet.
 
2013-10-14 02:21:35 AM  

Gyrfalcon: During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.


For that matter, exactly how is he affording to stay in Hawaii on this money? Tent on the beach, maybe, but where is he getting his food? And the airfare alone probably eats $1000..... I call shenanigans.

and sick nothing, he's surfing in Hawaii, what happens when he hurts himself on a rock or gets in the way of a hurricane? Oh right, all the rest of us pay it in jacked up insurance costs cause the hospital has to treat him for nothing.

The /real/ poor can't afford to quit working and go to Hawaii, either. They're trapped in their rent on little places trying to actually support their families, not able to wander off to some cutesy hobbit hole and let their estranged family pick up their slack. (Or for many poor men, they're either dead or in jail, so the women have no choice but to raise the kids.) They couldn't GET a mortgage if they tried, or a job that actually pays a living wage.

/seriously, $5000 a year? I pay more than that just in insurance and prescription meds.
//also not willing to live in a "house" or "apartment" so tiny I'll have claustrophobic freakouts every time I try to stand up.
 
2013-10-14 02:23:35 AM  
FunkOut:

Library books come with free bed bugs these days.


I hate you.

/phantom itching
 
2013-10-14 02:31:07 AM  

I haven't gone that far but lately but I have decided to just paint the town beige...

http://youtu.be/VN3wDgpuQ-I

 
2013-10-14 02:37:10 AM  

BigJake: I don't wanna be intentionally poor but I can see the appeal of not buying shiat becuase society says you should. Why would you work your ass off all week so you can afford a house so that you then must spend a big chunk of the weekend maintaining?


Meh. I'm a pretty ascetic person -- like, comically so. But home ownership is one of the few things I'd recommend without hesitation to anybody who could afford it.

Buy only within your means, and remember that it's a home and not an "investment" or a status symbol, and owning a house can actually be a pretty rewarding experience. Yeah, you'll put some time into maintaining it. But, I've never minded doing that stuff. If anything, it's nice to be able to fix things when and how you like....complete "creative control" over your physical living environment. Worth every penny, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-10-14 03:05:47 AM  

Gyrfalcon: During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.


I knew someone who decided to drop out of society and move to the South Pacific to live the good live.  For about five years things went great.  He spent his day doing whatever the hell he wanted.  Then he cut his foot.  A minor thing, really, except he didn't have the most basic of first aid kits.  The cut got infected and he almost died.  It was a miracle he didn't lose his foot.  He moved back to the states and had nothing.  No job, no job history, no money, zip.  He had to live in homeless shelters for quite a while.
 
2013-10-14 03:23:01 AM  
If I were rich I'd totally have a hermit living in a cave on my estate. Every day I'd stroll down to receive a pearl of wisdom from my hermit.
 
2013-10-14 03:23:23 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I wouldn't believe in mortgages and rent either if I could hook up with some land for $100 a year, where I could ignore the building code.


A couple of friends of mine bought some land in New Mexico for 900 bucks an acre, with property taxes around 100 bucks a year. They have had a few issues with building codes, but nothing that they couldn't figure out without spending an unreasonable amount of money, and their self-built house is now up and running.
 
2013-10-14 03:30:32 AM  

corn-bread: Stories like this piss me off.  Not because the dude is being douchetastic about his anti-consumer life choices.  This is America, douche it up all you want.
No, I get annoyed because for every one of these "look how cool I'm living being poor" guys there is someone else paying the freight for his choices.  In the first dude's case, it was his family.  Ya think maybe it would have been better for them if mom and dad stayed married and provided a stable household?  How much child support is he contributing to the raising of his kids only pulling down $5,000 a year?

While reading the article I kept wondering how the guy could afford the actual land to live the way he did.  Then the article came out with it: ""I like being able to do what I want to do," said Price, who pays $100 a year for his land."  Bingo!  As usual, douche relies on kindness / subsidies from others to make his lifestyle plausible.  That's not rejecting materialism, that's being a goddamn leech.

Look, get a mortgage or don't get a mortgage.  You don't want to work a normal job?  I don't blame you, normal jobs suck.  Debt sucks.  Mortgages suck.  Live by your own code, and via con dios.  But at least try to live a zero sum game.  Don't get all high and mighty if you're leeching off others to make ends meet.


The $100 a year for his land is almost certainly property taxes on low-value land he bought outright. Agreed on the child support issue.
 
2013-10-14 04:08:57 AM  

corn-bread: Stories like this piss me off.  Not because the dude is being douchetastic about his anti-consumer life choices.  This is America, douche it up all you want.
No, I get annoyed because for every one of these "look how cool I'm living being poor" guys there is someone else paying the freight for his choices.  In the first dude's case, it was his family.  Ya think maybe it would have been better for them if mom and dad stayed married and provided a stable household?  How much child support is he contributing to the raising of his kids only pulling down $5,000 a year?

While reading the article I kept wondering how the guy could afford the actual land to live the way he did.  Then the article came out with it: ""I like being able to do what I want to do," said Price, who pays $100 a year for his land."  Bingo!  As usual, douche relies on kindness / subsidies from others to make his lifestyle plausible.  That's not rejecting materialism, that's being a goddamn leech.

Look, get a mortgage or don't get a mortgage.  You don't want to work a normal job?  I don't blame you, normal jobs suck.  Debt sucks.  Mortgages suck.  Live by your own code, and via con dios.  But at least try to live a zero sum game.  Don't get all high and mighty if you're leeching off others to make ends meet.


You mean like  this guy?
 
2013-10-14 04:43:14 AM  

FarkfaceVonClownstick: Look, get a mortgage or don't get a mortgage.  You don't want to work a normal job?  I don't blame you, normal jobs suck.  Debt sucks.  Mortgages suck.  Live by your own code, and via con dios.  But at least try to live a zero sum game.  Don't get all high and mighty if you're leeching off others to make ends meet.

You mean like  this guy?



Yeah pretty much. Most of the people who claim to be happy being poor, who live a "free spirit" lifestyle are able to do so only because of financial help of others. Sometimes it's direct, like a trust fund or parents or friends that help you out whenever you need, sometimes it's indirect like taking advantage of social services or other things really not intended for you. Often, it involves shirking your responsibilities.

Generally people who are actually poor, are not very happy with it and are not that way because they want to be. They would rather be able to have enough money to pay for any unexpected needs, to meet all their obligations, and all that kind of stuff they just don't.

Also, none of this really has to do with non-materialism or anything like that. It is perfectly possible to work a job, be responsible, and not be materialistic. In fact I know some people like this, and generally what they do is give as much of their money as possible to worthwhile causes (what qualifies as worthwhile varies person-to-person). Nobody says you have to spend the money you make on stupid shiat, you are perfectly free to save it, to give it to others, to spend it improving the world, whatever you like.

People like this just use antimaterialism as an excuse to act immature and not to take any responsibility. It's not that he's happy with being poor, rather it's that he doesn't want to be responsible for his family or his actions and this is an excuse to act irresponsibly.
 
2013-10-14 06:05:02 AM  
I would like to LIVE on $500/month, but MAKE $60K/year.
 
2013-10-14 07:13:18 AM  
Okay. So I clicked on the Hobbit hole panorama.
I count one i-pod (or cellphone?), one tablet, one laptop, and a few other interesting gadgets in view.
He brags about finding used tools and washing his clothes in the river, but makes an exception for apple products, apparently.

Also this:
"Price has plenty of time to recharge, since he keeps his expenses so low that he only has to earn around $5000 a year."

Yep. The reason his cost of living doesn't add up, is because it doesn't.
Spending and "needing to earn" are two different things. There's a trick to this kind of simple living.

... I concur with others up thread, this dude's lifestyle is tough luck for his kids.
 
2013-10-14 08:11:04 AM  

GreenSun: What a dumbass. If you've got the money, then use it to have a comfortable life! You don't need to experience other people's sufferings just to be able to say that you have a kind heart or that you can feel for them. That's overly dramatic, unnecessary, and idiotic. You earn money to have a good life, not to suffer from self-induced poverty.


The thing is, he's not suffering. And his message to poor people isn't, "Oh what I terrible life you have! I feel so sorry for you with my big huge heart." His message to poor people is, "What's the problem, dude?"
That's a pretty patronizing message, as the article (I thought) tried to make clear. It's a lot easier to decide something doesn't make you happy if you have it and can make a choice. It's probably not so easy if all you get is advertisers telling you "Buy this! It will make you happy!", and you can never buy it.
 
2013-10-14 09:09:17 AM  
Not having money is being poor, having money is being rich. Spending money is how you go from being rich to being poor.
 
2013-10-14 09:20:34 AM  

DogBlack: Ker_Thwap: I wouldn't believe in mortgages and rent either if I could hook up with some land for $100 a year, where I could ignore the building code.
 You don't have to build to code for a structure under 20 sf.  It's called a "structure of no consequence."  It means basically if you build a shed or some such don't worry about it.


Excellent, so you'll lease me a few acres for $100 a year?
 
2013-10-14 10:47:53 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: corn-bread:


The $100 a year for his land is almost certainly property taxes on low-value land he bought outright. Agreed on the child support issue.



I was mixing up other stories I had read about this schmuck, sorry.
The $100 a year is for land he leases. The other article doesn't say from who (maybe from a friend or family member), but it's more subsidized living etc.
 
2013-10-14 10:55:05 AM  

FarkfaceVonClownstick: corn-bread: Stories like this piss me off.  Not because the dude is being douchetastic about his anti-consumer life choices.  This is America, douche it up all you want.
No, I get annoyed because for every one of these "look how cool I'm living being poor" guys there is someone else paying the freight for his choices.  In the first dude's case, it was his family.  Ya think maybe it would have been better for them if mom and dad stayed married and provided a stable household?  How much child support is he contributing to the raising of his kids only pulling down $5,000 a year?

While reading the article I kept wondering how the guy could afford the actual land to live the way he did.  Then the article came out with it: ""I like being able to do what I want to do," said Price, who pays $100 a year for his land."  Bingo!  As usual, douche relies on kindness / subsidies from others to make his lifestyle plausible.  That's not rejecting materialism, that's being a goddamn leech.

Look, get a mortgage or don't get a mortgage.  You don't want to work a normal job?  I don't blame you, normal jobs suck.  Debt sucks.  Mortgages suck.  Live by your own code, and via con dios.  But at least try to live a zero sum game.  Don't get all high and mighty if you're leeching off others to make ends meet.

You mean like  this guy?



That is outstanding!
 
2013-10-14 10:55:32 AM  

o_blah: Honestly, if I didn't have children I could live on a very small income. I also have zero debt though, so...

I'm really dreading the idea of going back to school. For one, because I don't want to be indebted for the rest of my life, but mainly because I have no idea what I want to do.

I really don't want to buy into our debt culture, but it's looking inevitable. Especially if I ever want to raise the standard of living for my children.

In guessing this guy is a deadbeat dad.


I'm sure he knows, down the dollar, how little he needs to make to avoid being on the hook for child support. He probably thinks he's punishing his ex, but his kids are the ones hurting.

As for schooling, if you can find a way to swing a class or two, do it! Not sure what your profession is, but sometimes certifications are a bit cheaper than degrees and can help your job prospects just as much.
 
2013-10-14 10:58:39 AM  

SweetBearCub: DogBlack: Ker_Thwap: I wouldn't believe in mortgages and rent either if I could hook up with some land for $100 a year, where I could ignore the building code.
 You don't have to build to code for a structure under 20 sf.  It's called a "structure of no consequence."  It means basically if you build a shed or some such don't worry about it.

DogBlack: Whoops. 200 sf.

DogBlack, could you please provide me some info on the whole "Structure of no consequence" thing? What state? Limitations? What code section? etc. I tried googling it, but found very little.

Thanks!


http://www.thetinylife.com/cracking-the-code-tiny-houses-and-buildin g- codes/

I helped build a little house in Ga.  I think that the more rural you are the less code.  Also we built without elec or plumbing.  That probably makes a big difference.
 
2013-10-14 11:30:58 AM  

Atomic Spunk: DogBlack: Ker_Thwap: I wouldn't believe in mortgages and rent either if I could hook up with some land for $100 a year, where I could ignore the building code.
 You don't have to build to code for a structure under 20 sf.  It's called a "structure of no consequence."  It means basically if you build a shed or some such don't worry about it.

DogBlack: Whoops. 200 sf.

Building codes vary by municipality. This rule doesn't apply where I live, and I'd be willing to bet that applies to other places as well.


That's the situation around here, provided said structure doesn't have plumbing/electric.

I'm in the midst of designing several buildings that are each 192 sf....
 
2013-10-14 12:50:33 PM  

Bumblefark: Meh. I'm a pretty ascetic person -- like, comically so. But home ownership is one of the few things I'd recommend without hesitation to anybody who could afford it.

Buy only within your means, and remember that it's a home and not an "investment" or a status symbol, and owning a house can actually be a pretty rewarding experience. Yeah, you'll put some time into maintaining it. But, I've never minded doing that stuff. If anything, it's nice to be able to fix things when and how you like....complete "creative control" over your physical living environment. Worth every penny, as far as I'm concerned.


I've lived in in houses all my life, except for a miserable 2-year stint in D.C. where I was paying $1000 a month plus utilities for a tiny no-bedroom apartment.  (I could have gotten a cheaper place, but I wanted to live within walking distance of my office, and most of the other apartment complexes in the area were pretty sketchy).  I'm not paying much more than that now for a nice 5-bedroom house in NE Atlanta, within biking distance of my office.

Yeah, you have to cut your own grass, deal with the occasional water (or pet) leak, handle minor repairs, and so forth.  But having some room to spread out, being able to paint the walls and hang pictures, having moderately loud music and/or guests without the neighbors complaining, having room for family and friends to visit and sleep over, having room for kids to live and a safe neighborhood for them to play in, being able to keep a dog, etc. makes a house so much worth it.

Plus, although you should never look specifically to profit from a house, when it comes time to sell you can get back a lot of the money you put into it.  When I sold my last house, I calculated that my net loss (including mortgage interest, repairs, upgrades, etc.) over the entire time I lived there was much lower than what I would have paid simply to rent the place instead.
 
2013-10-14 12:59:23 PM  
Has that guy never heard of moderation?  Never considered the idea that the only choices out there aren't living in a hole or being indebted up to your eyeballs?  There are simple lifestyle choices that can achieve that goal of not being a slave to your job and your bills.  Oh yeah, those aren't attention-getting choices.  No one is fascinated by your free-spirited refusal to live by "the man"'s rules when what you're doing is just basic stuff like not buying things you don't need, sharing with others on the things you don't use all the time, repairing stuff instead of throwing it out, buying things that are built to last,  saving and buying in cash instead of racking up debt, saving for and preparing for emergencies instead of getting thrown into debt by them, etc.  Nope.  Living an ordinary fiscally responsible life on less money isn't going to make the hippy girls swoon like hobbit holes and seasons surfing in Hawaii.
 
2013-10-14 08:14:12 PM  

radarlove: Gyrfalcon: During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.

Uh, no, you just go the the ER.  It's okay to skip on the bill and pass the cost onto paying folks- Mitt said this is how healthcare is supposed to work.


The same Mitt that brought universal state run healthcare to Massachusetts?  My my, the retards are out strong today.

/you got your healthcare, you can stop the derp now.
 
2013-10-14 09:57:24 PM  

Fade2black: radarlove: Gyrfalcon: During the winter, he decamps to Hawaii to surf and avoid the harsh weather. Price's version of the simple life costs $5,000 a year,

Uh....okay. So he's a bum.

I'm assuming that his plan, if he gets seriously ill, is to just die? Because he can't afford to get sick in any way that won't cost a lot more than that.

Uh, no, you just go the the ER.  It's okay to skip on the bill and pass the cost onto paying folks- Mitt said this is how healthcare is supposed to work.

The same Mitt that brought universal state run healthcare to Massachusetts?  My my, the retards are out strong today.

/you got your healthcare, you can stop the derp now.


Actually, I don't have jack shiat.  My wife an I are too poor to qualify for Obamacare and too guilt-ridden to take any other kind of government assistance.  People like us won't have any healthcare other than the ER until this country turns to truly socialized medicine.

We are the people that you all like to forget, and who you look away from when you see us begging for food on the street.

So take your derp and shove it right up your privileged, fed, clean ass.
 
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