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2013-10-14 12:51:32 AM  
All meaningful political decisions hurt certain interests or people.  What interests and groups it is acceptable to hurt, and the goals for which it is acceptable to do so is part of the decisions politicians make.

Criminal prosecution for how politicians make those decisions is wrong in a way similar to how the GOP's legislative hostage taking is wrong...not because any specific decision is right or wrong, but because it would harm our system of government, which is dependent on politicians being able to make the decisions they feel are right, even if they hurt people, without fear of criminal charges.

TLDR: The GOP makes harmful and stupid decisions all the time, but arresting them for it would be worse.
 
2013-10-14 01:03:08 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Kittypie070: Satanic_Hamster: Kittypie070: Hey, guys, nice job letting the thread get jacked by BIG!! STEVE!! +9000.
/WINNING

Don't look at me, I have that troll account on ignore.

So do I but it sure doesn't help.


I'm working on being insulting without getting the banhammer.


Yup.

I'm feeling very gun-shy because of 'exterior circumstances' so I'm just gonna stay in the grass for a while.
 
2013-10-14 01:31:02 AM  

Kittypie070: Gyrfalcon: Kittypie070: Satanic_Hamster: Kittypie070: Hey, guys, nice job letting the thread get jacked by BIG!! STEVE!! +9000.
/WINNING

Don't look at me, I have that troll account on ignore.

So do I but it sure doesn't help.

I'm working on being insulting without getting the banhammer.

Yup.

I'm feeling very gun-shy because of 'exterior circumstances' so I'm just gonna stay in the grass for a while.


Don't eat any, it makes teh kitteh sickies.
 
2013-10-14 01:35:37 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Don't eat any, it makes teh kitteh sickies.


*hearts*
 
2013-10-14 04:23:30 AM  

nubzers: Virulency: Benevolent Misanthrope: LasersHurt: On the final day before the Debt Ceiling is met and shiat is scheduled to go haywire, I hope the President holds a prime-time interruption and announces an Executive Action of some sort to end this charade. Go over Congress' heads.

What, precisely? That's not a challenge, I honestly don't know what the Constitutin would allow.

Uhhh so you're advocating dictatorship??

I hope not. That would be a terrible precedent to set. The executive branch has amassed quite a bit of power in the past 50 years, particularly the last decade. Doing this would render the legislative branch almost useless since any president could just directly finance the government at whatever level he wants. Add that to the signing statements and executive orders and you end up with a very very powerful executive branch with the door to a dictatorship wide open.


Err, what? The Senate and House set the budget, and the debt ceiling. The President has control over neither, so him ignoring the latter rule from Congress (the ceiling) rather than ignoring the former (spending that Congress has previously ordered) is hardly empowering the executive branch, it is just removing a stupid contradiction Congress has made for itself.
 
2013-10-14 06:47:34 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I'm working on being insulting without getting the banhammer.


The troll accounts/mods get off on you being insulting.  It's calm pointing out that they're a troll account or ignoring that they hate.
 
2013-10-14 06:57:10 AM  

Emposter: TLDR: The GOP makes harmful and stupid decisions all the time, but arresting them for it would be worse.


There's a difference between making a legitimately stupid and ignorant decision and actively trying to harm the economy and undermine the Constitution because you're pissed America arrested a black guy again.
 
2013-10-14 07:44:40 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Emposter: TLDR: The GOP makes harmful and stupid decisions all the time, but arresting them for it would be worse.

There's a difference between making a legitimately stupid and ignorant decision and actively trying to harm the economy and undermine the Constitution because you're pissed America arrested a black guy again.


I assume you mean elected? They'd be thrilled if he was arrested.
 
2013-10-14 08:31:17 AM  

Girl Sailor: Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Girl Sailor: My cousin had Obama as a law professor at u of c. No doubt, he was the smartest m-fer in the room no matter where he went. The u of c staff didn't like him, specifically the old (white) Friedman school of economics types couldn't stand him. Ironically, I bet the derpers would've got so much more traction if they attacked him as an egg headed college elite. But they couldn't get past the black, let alone admit it was possible that it was possible for a black dude to have a high iq. So now they're in this laughable corner. Smoked by an ivory tower elite that they couldn't even admit WAS an ivory tower elite.

That is why I voted for Obama. The opportunity to watch racist half wits contort themselves in circles trying to bully someone who sees them the way a pediatrician views a three year old. Enjoy The prison of your own Minds. The rest of the world will happily carry on without you.

Ebony Tower Elite?

Nice. Let's make that happen.

Btw - how do you know what's on the other side of schroedinger's glory hole?


You don't, so it makes you both gay and straight at the same time.
 
2013-10-14 08:43:09 AM  

apoptotic: I assume you mean elected? They'd be thrilled if he was arrested.


I have no idea where that came from .  :0

Apparently I wasn't as awake as I thought I was when I typed that.
 
2013-10-14 08:59:29 AM  

Mugato: It's amusing how consistent the Republicans are at their projection. Meaning they attribute everything that they're guilty on onto others. It's just so blatant and obvious.



I was a Republican party member once...
farking children.
 
2013-10-14 10:02:00 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: max_pooper: bigsteve3OOO: grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: LordJiro: Pharque-it: Noam Chimpsky: If there is a such thing as a 'world economy', it needs to be eradicated. Such a thing could only be a feature of global communism.

Well, all-right then....?

So Chimpsky thinks that no nation should trade with any other nation, and instead should rely EXCLUSIVELY on its own resources?

I agree with that.  Value that is given to mankind should be rewarded.  Add no value get no reward.

Fark off.

Or are you still under the impression that we make all the things we use?

No and that is the problem.  Rent like people are sucking the value from producers.  Like a parasite on the economy.  Bankers, Government officials, land owners, stock brokers etc.  They add no value yet take value from the producers.

I rent my apartment from my landlord. She lives elsewhere, so I am not taking value from her actual home. I pay her rent, so she is making a return investment on her purchase(the property I rent). I also maintain the apartment, doing things like raking and sweeping, and do not charge her for it, saving her on upkeep costs.

How exactly am I parasite to my landlord?

Or is this one of those "Factory workers should be paid eighty bajillion dollars an hour and teachers should work for free" type arguments?

/agrees bankers and stock brokers are parasites

Your landlord is the one acting in a rent like manner.  Read Adam Smith.  He had it right over 200 years ago.  the game has new players and different rules but the same problems.

The landlord is providing value. They are providing a person with a place to live without the expense and long term commitment of property ownership. The freedom of the renter to move after the lease has expired is a value that many renters treasure.

Nope.  The value was added by the workers who cleared the land and built the structure.  The value is maintained by the workers who keep the structure up to its original value.  The act of renting it in no way changes the value of the property.  It has the same value whether it is empty or full.  Full by the person whop owns it or full by a person who rents it.  The difference is that the renter who adds no value whatsoever gets a reward(money that is a voucher of value) without actually doing anything to add value.


You know how I know you have borderline intellectual functioning? You cannot grasp basic abstract concepts. In other words, you demonstrate concrete thinking. Please proceed with your trollin'
 
2013-10-14 10:13:23 AM  
well, republicans are terrorists. and i suppose, at least to the british, the colonial revolutionaries were terrorists too.
 
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