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2013-10-13 10:57:34 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I think they fell a few shy of 1,000,000...even counting the non-vets.  But maybe those "pre-teens" are deep-cover special-ops.

[cnnpoliticalticker.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]


And, you might have noticed, they still called the D.C. police dirty names for doing their jobs, despite the fact that they didn't act like Oakland or Campus police vs. the Occupy protesters.
 
2013-10-13 10:58:15 PM

Alphakronik: [wonkette.com image 494x351]


Where's this guy when you need him?


He was the guy holding the Confederate flag.
 
2013-10-13 11:00:19 PM

Rapmaster2000: Considering that the Tea Party is ONLY concerned about the budget they should be pretty happy.  The government isn't spending much money because of the intransigence of that Kenyan usurper.  What part of this do they have a problem with?


The fact that things they like have been stopped, of course. They expect those things to stay funded, and the spending to somehow magically drop.
 
2013-10-13 11:13:42 PM
A typical Teabagger gathering: nothing but ignorant, white bigots.

Damn Teabaggers.
 
2013-10-13 11:14:07 PM

IlGreven: Lionel Mandrake: I think they fell a few shy of 1,000,000...even counting the non-vets.  But maybe those "pre-teens" are deep-cover special-ops.

[cnnpoliticalticker.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]

And, you might have noticed, they still called the D.C. police dirty names for doing their jobs, despite the fact that they didn't act like Oakland or Campus police vs. the Occupy protesters.


They're mostly bla also.
 
2013-10-13 11:21:16 PM

grumpfuff: Blahbbs: /FWombies?

I like this word. Stolen.

blastoh: <snip of long, detailed, good post>

That is well reasoned, well sourced, and pretty much spot on.

So of course the Teatards and Fark IndependentsTM will ignore it completely or fall back on ad hominems.

/your newsletter, i wants it


The problem, of course and unfortunately is the people who need convincing are the same type of person who will never accept any argument that wasn't given to them by their chosen authorities. You know the longer this shutdown goes on the more I see the right wing authoritarian personalities showing.

Something really needs to be done about them. Nothing so drastic as killing them for who they are 'cause that would be wrong. But maybe re-directing their hatred.
 
2013-10-13 11:38:30 PM

Kittypie070: Pharque-it: The Republican Party is "in the last throes," .......

We get the point. Stop repeating that thing. it's useless.


If you repeat it enough it becomes true. Right? Or are you speaking for all of us?
 
2013-10-13 11:40:47 PM

Pharque-it: Kittypie070: Pharque-it: The Republican Party is "in the last throes," .......

We get the point. Stop repeating that thing. it's useless.

If you repeat it enough it becomes true. Right? Or are you speaking for all of us?


It was nice the first three times I saw it.  Now it's sounding like a jingoism.
 
2013-10-13 11:56:37 PM
Ever notice the ones breaking into monuments are the ones who scream "9-11 terrorist arab wharrgb!" the loudest?
 
2013-10-14 12:07:49 AM

KierzanDax: Ever notice the ones breaking into monuments are the ones who scream "9-11 terrorist arab wharrgb!" the loudest?


Des Moines is an obvious terror target.
 
2013-10-14 12:08:57 AM

2wolves: Pharque-it: Kittypie070: Pharque-it: The Republican Party is "in the last throes," .......

We get the point. Stop repeating that thing. it's useless.

If you repeat it enough it becomes true. Right? Or are you speaking for all of us?

It was nice the first three times I saw it.  Now it's sounding like a jingoism.



----------------------------------------
Kittypie070: bigsteve3OOO: We must stop and contract 

No.

I did nothing wrong.

It was YOUR representatives, YOUR demands toward them, and YOUR choice to play chicken with the F6 twister.

YOU "stop and contract."

----------------------------------------------------

Kitty's underlines. (So it is OK when you do it...)

Just so you get the point......
 
2013-10-14 12:46:54 AM
Pharque-it:Kitty's underlines. (So it is OK when you do it...)

Just so you get the point......


I was speaking for myself, telling him to get off his WE crap and not include me in it, when I did nothing to deserve the sh*t he wanted to inflict on all of us.

What is your major malfunction?
 
2013-10-14 01:05:37 AM

blastoh: I am actually growing a little tired of these stories about some guy at a rally saying something stupid. Seriously, This is news?


It's not news, but it's still something that needs to be broadcasted.  It needs to be broadcasted to remind all Americans that behind every "moderate" Republican on Capitol Hill, every "reasonable" GOPer who "just wants to do what's right for America," there are millions of sociopaths just like this douchenozzle.  And they vote.  And they always get what they want, or destroy everything in sight trying, in the GOP.
 
2013-10-14 02:20:07 AM

Here's blastoh's awesome treatise (and some minor additions of my own including primary sourcing of evidence) formatted better. Those of you with Firefox, select the indented text, then right-click and do "View Selection Source", copy that HTML code, and paste it anywhere that allows basic HTML formatting in comments (I really wish that FARK didn't mess up true typesetting-style apotrophes, quotes, and dashes ― we could really use them now [that one there looks like an em dash but isn't ― it's a horizontal bar, which looks the same but doesn't parse properly in some screen readers]):

• Republicans (specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary, yet, so his more recent attempts to claim that he did this in response to "HillaryCare" don't even mesh with basic chronology! Note also that that's when it was published, meaning it had to have been written before that, and thought up before that!]) created a national healthcare plan complete with an Individual Mandate. It was entitled "A National Health System for America."

• About ¾ of a year later, on October 2 of the same year, the day after George Herbert Walker Bush had just started his first Fiscal Year in office, it was re-published in expanded form as a full-fledged book entitled Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans.
Here's the cover image:
healthcarereform.procon.org
(Right-click to view larger image.)


• They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008 (the Healthy Americans Act, aka the Wyden-Bennett bill).

•Then when the Democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided that the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. They sued in the supreme court but lost

• They ran a presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts that was itself based on the Heritage Foundation Butler plan. When pressed on this, his excuse was that "RomneyCare" was only intended to work at the State level, not the federal level. Yeah. That's why Butler's paper was entitled "A National Health System for America." and the book version was Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans, right, Governor Romney? Oh, and remember what Romney said in a debate? And on Fox News? Or on NBC's Meet the Press re: the aforementioned Wyden-Bennett Healthy Americans Act (full transcript here)?

Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a center piece of the election

Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act. To pull this off:
The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin.
80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.
They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing.
They celebrated when it happened.
The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect.
When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.

All the while:
They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate (19 times as of October 7).
Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.
• And despite all of this, The Radical wing of the GOP will still blame Obama for the Shutdown

Meanwhile:
• In 2001, the then-new GOP President and GOP Congress inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.
The GOP then passed a tax cut,waged an expensive war, and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts (in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2007).

Then, when a Democrat was in the White House:
the GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
Some Republicans are even calling for a default, forgetting that we did default, for just one day, in 1979, and it cost us billions.
And ignoring what economists are saying would likely happen if we default.
 
2013-10-14 02:30:10 AM

COMALite J: Here's blastoh's awesome treatise (and some minor additions of my own including primary sourcing of evidence) formatted better. Those of you with Firefox, select the indented text, then right-click and do "View Selection Source", copy that HTML code, and paste it anywhere that allows basic HTML formatting in comments (I really wish that FARK didn't mess up true typesetting-style apotrophes, quotes, and dashes ― we could really use them now [that one there looks like an em dash but isn't ― it's a horizontal bar, which looks the same but doesn't parse properly in some screen readers]):• Republicans (specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary, yet, so his more recent attempts to claim that he did this in response to "HillaryCare" don't even mesh with basic chronology! Note also that that's when it was published, meaning it had to have been written before that, and thought up before that!]) created a national healthcare plan complete with an Individual Mandate. It was entitled "A National Health System for America."

• About ¾ of a year later, on October 2 of the same year, the day after George Herbert Walker Bush had just started his first Fiscal Year in office, it was re-published in expanded form as a full-fledged book entitled Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans.Here's the cover image:
[healthcarereform.procon.org image 283x366]
(Right-click to view larger image.)

• They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008 (the Healthy Americans Act, aka the Wyden-Bennett bill).

•Then when the Democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that ...


This should have its own website.
 
2013-10-14 02:56:17 AM

Thanks, HighOnCraic, but blastoh did the really hard work.

Here it is again, with some minor typos fixed. Please use this version:

Here's blastoh's awesome treatise (and some minor additions of my own including primary sourcing of evidence) formatted better. Those of you with Firefox, select the indented text, then right-click and do "View Selection Source", copy that HTML code, and paste it anywhere that allows basic HTML formatting in comments (I really wish that FARK didn't mess up true typesetting-style apotrophes, quotes, and dashes ― we could really use them now [that one there looks like an em dash but isn't ― it's a horizontal bar, which looks the same but doesn't parse properly in some screen readers]):

• Republicans (specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary, yet, so his more recent attempts to claim that he did this in response to "HillaryCare" don't even mesh with basic chronology! Note also that that's when it was published, meaning it had to have been written before that, and thought up before that!]) created a national healthcare plan complete with an Individual Mandate. It was entitled "A National Health System for America."

• About ¾ of a year later, on October 2 of the same year, the day after George Herbert Walker Bush had just started his first Fiscal Year in office, it was re-published in expanded form as a full-fledged book entitled Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans.
Here's the cover image:
healthcarereform.procon.org
(Right-click to view larger image.)


• They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008 (the Healthy Americans Act, aka the Wyden-Bennett bill).

•Then when the Democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided that the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. They sued in the supreme court but lost

• They ran a presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts that was itself based on the Heritage Foundation Butler plan. When pressed on this, his excuse was that "RomneyCare" was only intended to work at the State level, not the federal level. Yeah. That's why Butler's paper was entitled "A National Health System for America." and the book version was Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans, right, Governor Romney? Oh, and remember what Romney said in a debate? And on Fox News? Or on NBC's Meet the Press re: the aforementioned Wyden-Bennett Healthy Americans Act (full transcript here)?

• Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a centerpiece of the election.

Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act. To pull this off:
The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin.
80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.
They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing.
They celebrated when it happened.
The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect.
When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.

All the while:
They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate (19 times as of October 7).
Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.
• And despite all of this, the far-right wing of the GOP will still blame Obama for the shutdown.

Meanwhile:
• In 2001, the then-new GOP President and GOP Congress inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.
The GOP then passed a tax cut,waged an expensive war, and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts (in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2007).

Then, when a Democrat was in the White House:
The GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
Some Republicans are even calling for a default, forgetting that we did default, for just one day, in 1979, and it cost us billions.
And ignoring what economists are saying would likely happen if we default.
 
2013-10-14 04:05:23 AM
[carefully gathers pearls]
 
2013-10-14 04:26:22 AM

Kittypie070: [carefully gathers pearls]


Hey, some of those are mine, I didn't see you spamming the news on facebook ;)

And of all people, I should have seen your hairy pastry lock step behind me :P
 
2013-10-14 05:09:18 AM

iq_in_binary: Kittypie070: [carefully gathers pearls]

Hey, some of those are mine, I didn't see you spamming the news on facebook ;)

And of all people, I should have seen your hairy pastry lock step behind me :P


Um, I'm in a quandary.

I don't want to use the one I has already. I need a...B4c3F00k throwaway but that's frownt upon rather strenuously.
 
2013-10-14 05:18:18 AM

Kittypie070: iq_in_binary: Kittypie070: [carefully gathers pearls]

Hey, some of those are mine, I didn't see you spamming the news on facebook ;)

And of all people, I should have seen your hairy pastry lock step behind me :P

Um, I'm in a quandary.

I don't want to use the one I has already. I need a...B4c3F00k throwaway but that's frownt upon rather strenuously.


i did it under my own name, why would you need a throwaway? its the accounts like ours that they pay attention to when we're pissed, we know real people
 
2013-10-14 07:38:54 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: PsiChick: fusillade762: Angered by the closure of national landmarks due to the partial government shutdown

You poor babies. Forget about the fact that children are going without food that hasn't been properly inspected and cancer trials are cancelled, THE PARKS ARE CLOSED!

/when these assholes remember that WIC has run out of money I'll feel sympathy.

All of the states except for North Carolina have picked up the funding gap.



NC did as of Friday, but only after a Democrat House member, David Price, personally contacted the state HHS director and told her the money was available. Before that HHS had been told specifically not to transfer any operating money to WIC to keep the program running.

/the emergency money runs out at the end of October
//for every state
///Price is my Representative
 
2013-10-14 09:21:28 AM
Slight typo remains in my second version. Please insert a space in the second / last bulleted item under "Meanwhile:" after "passed a tax cut," when pasting this anywhere. Thanks.
 
2013-10-14 11:02:54 AM

Rapmaster2000: Considering that the Tea Party is ONLY concerned about the budget they should be pretty happy.  The government isn't spending much money because of the intransigence of that Kenyan usurper.  What part of this do they have a problem with?


The RINOs in Congress have already authorized back pay for all Federal workers, so they won't even save any money.  Backstabbers.
 
2013-10-14 12:54:03 PM

blastoh: I am actually growing a little tired of these stories about some guy at a rally saying something stupid.  Seriously, This is news? (snip)


Thank you for these posts.  Forums are fun to mix it up with people and to get a better grasp of the concepts involved, but posts like yours take it to the next level.  You take the time to give the rest of us something to work from when we have to deal with those who don't have the time (or don't want to take the effort) to do the necessary legwork on backing up our points.

It's appreciated, and a big reason why I come back to Fark.  Again, thanks.
 
2013-10-14 01:56:38 PM

Pincy: "I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up," said Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch, a conservative political advocacy group.

I hate to admit this, because in general I'm a peace loving kind of guy, but there are really some people who should get the shiat beat out of them.


If it makes you feel better about wanting to punch this guy, he repeatedly invoked the Fifth Amendment, when his ex-wife accused him of molesting their children.
 
2013-10-14 02:15:12 PM

quatchi: blastoh: [awesomeness redacted for brevity's sake]

That's a favoriting.

/Newsletter, jib, buy ya a beer, etc.


All of these.  That was brilliantly stated.  *golfclap*
 
2013-10-14 07:42:09 PM

El Morro: blastoh: I am actually growing a little tired of these stories about some guy at a rally saying something stupid.  Seriously, This is news? (snip)

Thank you for these posts.  Forums are fun to mix it up with people and to get a better grasp of the concepts involved, but posts like yours take it to the next level.  You take the time to give the rest of us something to work from when we have to deal with those who don't have the time (or don't want to take the effort) to do the necessary legwork on backing up our points.

It's appreciated, and a big reason why I come back to Fark.  Again, thanks.


Over all blastoh is a good egg.  Kinda emotional, but a dinkum cobber.
 
2013-10-14 08:36:33 PM

iq_in_binary: Kittypie070: iq_in_binary: Kittypie070: [carefully gathers pearls]

Hey, some of those are mine, I didn't see you spamming the news on facebook ;)

And of all people, I should have seen your hairy pastry lock step behind me :P

Um, I'm in a quandary.

I don't want to use the one I has already. I need a...B4c3F00k throwaway but that's frownt upon rather strenuously.


i did it under my own name, why would you need a throwaway? its the accounts like ours that they pay attention to when we're pissed, we know real people


Dunno. FB just weirds me out for no rational reason.

I didn't even want to get into it, I was sorta pushed.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:58 AM

blastoh: I am actually growing a little tired of these stories about some guy at a rally saying something stupid.  Seriously, This is news?

Some guy gets up at a rally, and says a bunch of stupid crap and CNN runs with it like it is a big deal....

Meanwhile
Republicans created a healthcare plan
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-co ns ervative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/


They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_Americans_Act

 Then
When The democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation.

They sued in the supreme court but lost
http://www.scribd.com/doc/98544934/Supreme-Court-upholds-Affordable- Care-Act

They ran presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservat iv e-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a center piece of the election
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/


Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act.

To pull this off
The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-cri si s-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html


80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jwithrow/does-your-senator-stand-wi th -mike-lee-against-obam


They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/07/30/ted- cr uz-government-shutdown-wouldnt-be-so-bad/

They celebrated when it happened
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republicans-shut-down-the- go vernment-but-they-cant-stop-obamacare-20131001


The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-t ha t-guaranteed-a-shutdown

When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A

All the while
They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/19-times-democrats-tried-to- ne gotiate-with-republicans-20131007?mrefid=mostread

Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/326425-reid-boehner-backed-out-of -d eal

And despite all of this,
The Radical wing of the GOP will still blame Obama for the Shutdown

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-republicans-b la me-obama-20131006,0,2739790.story


Meanwhile

In 2001, The GOP President and GOP Congress
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Combined--Control _o f_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png

inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.
http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Dec_29_151111_2000.html


The GOP then passed a tax cut,
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41463

waged an expensive war
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq- price-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans

and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts.
2002 vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll279.xml
2003 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/s202
2004 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2004/h536
2006 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s54
2007 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2007/s354


Then
When a Democrat was in the Whitehouse, the GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-u-s-will-default-if-ob am a-doesn-t-cave-on-the-debt-limit


And to top it all off,
I have gotten almost all of this information from a joke of a website called "FARK" who's mascot is a god damned squirrel trying to shove his nut sack in everybody's face.

Meanwhile CNN runs a story about some crazy guy at a protest saying something crazy.


This was posted word for word on my facebook page. With credit as "stolen from fark.com post". It's already been copied and reposted by two of my friends. You may end up seeing this elsewhere on the intrawebs. Wish I had credited your username if I knew others would pick it up.
 
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