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2013-10-13 02:10:18 PM
I am gonna throw a Party Like its 1999 (in Argentina)

As much as I like compromise, this is the exception. Dems need to hold their farking ground. Keep those brass balls hanging low and humble those motherfarkers.
 
2013-10-13 02:12:30 PM
From what I've read, it's not necessarily that the Dems want to undo the sequester now, but they don't want to lock in the sequest cuts for 6 months. What they initially agreed, back before the shutdown, was a 6 WEEK resolution at sequestration levels. But the current idea is 6 months, and the Dems won't go for that.
 
2013-10-13 02:35:31 PM
Calling themselves "Teabaggers" was prophetic: it's exactly what the Dems are doing to them this week.
 
2013-10-13 02:48:06 PM
We could abolish the Department of the Interior and move the Bureau of Indian Affairs to a more competent Department. That should save some money.
 
2013-10-13 03:21:56 PM
Look you selfish pricks, I'm going to explain this once, I'll use little words and type slowly.....

If you Oblahma libulardos would just give Republicans everything they want the government would be funded and there wouldn't be a problem or shut down. We could then concentrate on banning gay marrying a turtle
 
2013-10-13 03:36:00 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Look you selfish pricks, I'm going to explain this once, I'll use little words and type slowly.....

If you Oblahma libulardos would just give Republicans everything they want the government would be funded and there wouldn't be a problem or shut down. We could then concentrate on banning gay marrying a turtle


Look you myopic capitalistic thug, if you won't foot the bill for our bastards' abortions we are going to start showing Bert teabagging Ernie while spiking up on their third meth binge of the week.  Yessir, everyday will be tossed salad day at Hooper's.

You can always get a hit, get a hit down on Sesame Streeeeeet!
 
2013-10-13 03:58:50 PM

PainInTheASP: Peter von Nostrand: Look you selfish pricks, I'm going to explain this once, I'll use little words and type slowly.....

If you Oblahma libulardos would just give Republicans everything they want the government would be funded and there wouldn't be a problem or shut down. We could then concentrate on banning gay marrying a turtle

Look you myopic capitalistic thug, if you won't foot the bill for our bastards' abortions we are going to start showing Bert teabagging Ernie while spiking up on their third meth binge of the week.  Yessir, everyday will be tossed salad day at Hooper's.

You can always get a hit, get a hit down on Sesame Streeeeeet!


republican humor?
 
2013-10-13 04:03:39 PM
How will negotiating with the Senate make a difference when one man (John Boehner) can prevent the passage of any bill in the House?
 
2013-10-13 04:07:04 PM

Cyclometh: How will negotiating with the Senate make a difference when one man (John Boehner) can prevent the passage of any bill in the House?


I think the senators carry daggers.
 
2013-10-13 04:09:22 PM
I'm reporting that Congress could end the whole standoff if they would just give free tacos to everyone. And not those Jack-in-the-Box tacos with American farking cheese. I'm talking from taco trucks.

WHY WON'T YOU ACT, CONGRESS?!?!
 
2013-10-13 04:09:50 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: I think the senators carry daggers.


Heh. I'm serious, though- the news is on fire with this story, that some kind of deal will be made with the Senate, but what I don't understand is how that will actually DO anything. The Speaker will just say "lolnope" and it's done.
 
2013-10-13 04:10:21 PM
Correction:  It would end if Boner would allow a vote on a clean CR; but he won't get re-elected speaker if he does that.
 
2013-10-13 04:10:50 PM

Cyclometh: How will negotiating with the Senate make a difference when one man (John Boehner) can prevent the passage of any bill in the House?


Well, I guess the House can vote to remove Boehner as Speaker, but Boehner (or Cantor) would have to introduce it.
 
2013-10-13 04:13:17 PM

simplicimus: Well, I guess the House can vote to remove Boehner as Speaker, but Boehner (or Cantor) would have to introduce it.


They'd need a majority to do it, and the GOP has the majority.
 
2013-10-13 04:16:10 PM

Cyclometh: simplicimus: Well, I guess the House can vote to remove Boehner as Speaker, but Boehner (or Cantor) would have to introduce it.

They'd need a majority to do it, and the GOP has the majority.


I'm thinking Dems would vote to keep him rather than one of the nitwits.
 
2013-10-13 04:17:48 PM
"We don't support it," House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters, saying that the reasons for opposition were "too many to go into."

There are so many reasons for opposing the Collins plan that Paul Ryan can't even think of one?

Okay, now I definitely know he's a Farker.

C'mon out, Ryan, the jig is up. I know yer here.

What's yer damned handle? Fess up!
 
2013-10-13 04:18:18 PM
The Dems in the Senate should get a prize just for managing to keep up with the GOP's demand-of-the-minute.
 
2013-10-13 04:18:32 PM

PainInTheASP: Peter von Nostrand: Look you selfish pricks, I'm going to explain this once, I'll use little words and type slowly.....

If you Oblahma libulardos would just give Republicans everything they want the government would be funded and there wouldn't be a problem or shut down. We could then concentrate on banning gay marrying a turtle

Look you myopic capitalistic thug, if you won't foot the bill for our bastards' abortions we are going to start showing Bert teabagging Ernie while spiking up on their third meth binge of the week.  Yessir, everyday will be tossed salad day at Hooper's.

You can always get a hit, get a hit down on Sesame Streeeeeet!


I feel like I need to apologize to you, I find you funny and you seem a good enough guy buy I always read your fark handle as PalintheAss
 
2013-10-13 04:18:48 PM

Cyclometh: HotIgneous Intruder: I think the senators carry daggers.

Heh. I'm serious, though- the news is on fire with this story, that some kind of deal will be made with the Senate, but what I don't understand is how that will actually DO anything. The Speaker will just say "lolnope" and it's done.


I have no faith that Boehner will do what needs to be done even if that puts his speakership at risk.

My thing is that I don't even think he can cut a deal with Democrats in the House to back his speakership. If I'm a Democrat, and Boehner does pass a deal and then fragment the votes for the speakership in the GOP, I'm just voting for Pelosi as Speaker. I mean, sure, I might tell Boehner that I'd back him, but Boehner wouldn't be willing to take the chance that I'm just lying and that I'll vote for Pelosi.
 
2013-10-13 04:19:25 PM

quatchi: "We don't support it," House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters, saying that the reasons for opposition were "too many to go into."

There are so many reasons for opposing the Collins plan that Paul Ryan can't even think of one?



Well, see, Ryan's this math genius, so he could give all us simpletons a straight answer, but we wouldn't be able to understand it.
 
2013-10-13 04:21:16 PM

ghare: Cyclometh: simplicimus: Well, I guess the House can vote to remove Boehner as Speaker, but Boehner (or Cantor) would have to introduce it.

They'd need a majority to do it, and the GOP has the majority.

I'm thinking Dems would vote to keep him rather than one of the nitwits.


I doubt the Dems would vote to keep him, after the procedural changes he has made. Now, the Republicans may want to keep him for a while so he can be the scapegoat when we default.
 
2013-10-13 04:22:24 PM

simplicimus: We could abolish the Department of the Interior and move the Bureau of Indian Affairs to a more competent Department. That should save some money.


Stop sending money to these farked up countries like Egypt, stop paying the UN and get rid of them from our soil, kill the DOE and the DOE, stop Secret Service protection for that coont adviser Imbecile Obama has.....the list goes on.......

Keep insulting the Repubs, you know, the party that freed the slaves.......
 
2013-10-13 04:22:53 PM
Letting a minority party halt the government because they didn't get what they wanted is absurd. The only way forward in the long run is to abolish the self-imposed debt ceiling.
 
2013-10-13 04:23:44 PM

armoredbulldozer: Stop sending money to these farked up countries like Egypt, stop paying the UN and get rid of them from our soil, kill the DOE and the DOE, stop Secret Service protection for that coont adviser Imbecile Obama has.....the list goes on.......

Keep insulting the Repubs, you know, the party that freed the slaves.......


This post was stupid. You should feel bad for having made it. Now go away, the grownups are talking.
 
2013-10-13 04:24:14 PM

armoredbulldozer: simplicimus: We could abolish the Department of the Interior and move the Bureau of Indian Affairs to a more competent Department. That should save some money.

Stop sending money to these farked up countries like Egypt, stop paying the UN and get rid of them from our soil, kill the DOE and the DOE, stop Secret Service protection for that coont adviser Imbecile Obama has.....the list goes on.......

Keep insulting the Repubs, you know, the party that freed the slaves.......


And then thought better of it.
 
2013-10-13 04:25:53 PM

MrEricSir: Letting a minority party halt the government because they didn't get what they wanted is absurd. The only way forward in the long run is to abolish the self-imposed debt ceiling.


Democrats did this - it was called the Gephardt rule. Then when Gingrich took over in 1995, he put it back, precisely because he wanted these types of showdowns. Then when the Dems took the House back, they once again put the Gephardt Rule in place. Boehner, again, removed it when he took office.

Creating these governmental crises is GOP policy.
 
2013-10-13 04:26:30 PM

armoredbulldozer: simplicimus: We could abolish the Department of the Interior and move the Bureau of Indian Affairs to a more competent Department. That should save some money.

Stop sending money to these farked up countries like Egypt, stop paying the UN and get rid of them from our soil, kill the DOE and the DOE, stop Secret Service protection for that coont adviser Imbecile Obama has.....the list goes on.......

Keep insulting the Repubs, you know, the party that freed the slaves.......


My satire meter is a little wonky these days. And you said DOE twice. And the party of Andrew Johnson has changed quite a bit in 150 years.
 
2013-10-13 04:28:03 PM
Frankly way I see the whole thing today it appears people in our government are like children. Specifically children who don't get the candy they want when they demand it. Pointing fingers and saying "It's his fault!" is how we're going to conduct our government affairs? Grow up.
 
2013-10-13 04:30:12 PM

simplicimus: armoredbulldozer: simplicimus: We could abolish the Department of the Interior and move the Bureau of Indian Affairs to a more competent Department. That should save some money.

Stop sending money to these farked up countries like Egypt, stop paying the UN and get rid of them from our soil, kill the DOE and the DOE, stop Secret Service protection for that coont adviser Imbecile Obama has.....the list goes on.......

Keep insulting the Repubs, you know, the party that freed the slaves.......

My satire meter is a little wonky these days. And you said DOE twice. And the party of Andrew Johnson has changed quite a bit in 150 years.


He probably meant Department of Education and Department of Energy.  What he didn't mention, of course, is that the list would have to go on for a few  pages, at that rate, before it added up to a noticeable portion of our budget.

I'm just wondering which "coont adviser" this is he's talking about.  Not that he's (pretending to be) a misogynist or anything.
 
2013-10-13 04:31:05 PM
Maybe the funding of the government and the financial stability of the world shouldn't hinge on whether or not John Boehner keeps his job.
 
2013-10-13 04:31:25 PM

simplicimus: armoredbulldozer: simplicimus: We could abolish the Department of the Interior and move the Bureau of Indian Affairs to a more competent Department. That should save some money.

Stop sending money to these farked up countries like Egypt, stop paying the UN and get rid of them from our soil, kill the DOE and the DOE, stop Secret Service protection for that coont adviser Imbecile Obama has.....the list goes on.......

Keep insulting the Repubs, you know, the party that freed the slaves.......

My satire meter is a little wonky these days. And you said DOE twice. And the party of Andrew Johnson has changed quite a bit in 150 years.


I think he meant the Dept of Education and Dept of Energy, presumably so that the nuclear stockpiles (Oak Ridge, Los Alamos) can be controlled by the EPA.
 
2013-10-13 04:33:38 PM

MrEricSir: Letting a minority party halt the government because they didn't get what they wanted is absurd. The only way forward in the long run is to abolish the self-imposed debt ceiling.


Only in America.


Literally.
 
2013-10-13 04:33:42 PM

ghare: armoredbulldozer: simplicimus: We could abolish the Department of the Interior and move the Bureau of Indian Affairs to a more competent Department. That should save some money.

Stop sending money to these farked up countries like Egypt, stop paying the UN and get rid of them from our soil, kill the DOE and the DOE, stop Secret Service protection for that coont adviser Imbecile Obama has.....the list goes on.......

Keep insulting the Repubs, you know, the party that freed the slaves.......

And then thought better of it.


Sublime.
 
2013-10-13 04:34:48 PM

red5ish: Maybe the funding of the government and the financial stability of the world shouldn't hinge on whether or not John Boehner keeps his job.


But it's, like, just a theory, man.
 
2013-10-13 04:34:50 PM
Good luck with that.

Backers are already getting nervous, especially as they look around and realize that even their captive media can't KEEP pointing folks to cat chases dog stories about National Park closures. Skirting closer and closer to the REALLY bad sh*t is starting to make investors nervous, and no one wants that. At this point, the House is looking at not just the President but the Senate to be at odds with, and the longer this goes on, the more chance that the Idiot Brigade is going to do something truly idiotic. Not like "Vrooom, vroooooom I'mma trucker and I hate the Obummer and we're gonna trucka convoy through Washington, man!" idiotic, but finally getting the idea in their heads that they're going to secede, and shoot some folks brand of stoopid. And they'll do it chanting out the names of their favorite Congresscritters--which, by the logic applied in all cases of violence as of late, means that IF they're fans, they MUST be endorsed. Like how video games and music cause all sorts of violence, teen pregnancies, and atheism and devil worship.

I know. There have been some mass shooters as of late, plus that kooky McVeigh kid who lost his "worst domestic terrorism in the US" status when some upstarts threw him off the charts, but I have the feeling that IF folks finally see their "chance" that they'll go big, and it will wind up getting some Brave Pioneers shot, and it's going to look even grimmer in Mudville. I'll give folks credit for sticking to their lie, and keeping the narrative rolling, but painting yourself into a corner, and expecting folks to cheer your resolve isn't exactly something to be proud of. And these folks are expecting EVERYONE to cheer as they continue to paint faster...
 
2013-10-13 04:38:24 PM
Only RINOs are willing to work with democrats.
 
2013-10-13 04:39:26 PM

hubiestubert: Good luck with that.

Backers are already getting nervous, especially as they look around and realize that even their captive media can't KEEP pointing folks to cat chases dog stories about National Park closures. Skirting closer and closer to the REALLY bad sh*t is starting to make investors nervous, and no one wants that. ...


I just got told quite firmly this morning that investors were perfectly relaxed about all this.
 
2013-10-13 04:45:25 PM

Kittypie070: hubiestubert: Good luck with that.

Backers are already getting nervous, especially as they look around and realize that even their captive media can't KEEP pointing folks to cat chases dog stories about National Park closures. Skirting closer and closer to the REALLY bad sh*t is starting to make investors nervous, and no one wants that. ...

I just got told quite firmly this morning that investors were perfectly relaxed about all this.


If they shorted the dollar, the investors would be perfectly relaxed. On the other hand, people running the energy business realize that crashing the global economy would be bad for business. And the banking industry should be pretty nervous, because there won't be any money to bail them out the next time.
 
2013-10-13 04:47:57 PM

shower_in_my_socks: quatchi: "We don't support it," House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters, saying that the reasons for opposition were "too many to go into."

There are so many reasons for opposing the Collins plan that Paul Ryan can't even think of one?


Well, see, Ryan's this math genius, so he could give all us simpletons a straight answer, but we wouldn't be able to understand it.


Of course, that must be it. Truly Paul Ryan's intellect is dizzying to us lesser mortals.
 
2013-10-13 04:48:13 PM

Cyclometh: simplicimus: Well, I guess the House can vote to remove Boehner as Speaker, but Boehner (or Cantor) would have to introduce it.

They'd need a majority to do it, and the GOP has the majority.


Funny how that works.
 
2013-10-13 04:48:35 PM
So I guess at this point we can go ahead and start lumping the Washington Post in with sites like WND and American Thinker.
 
2013-10-13 04:49:10 PM

Cyclometh: HotIgneous Intruder: I think the senators carry daggers.

Heh. I'm serious, though- the news is on fire with this story, that some kind of deal will be made with the Senate, but what I don't understand is how that will actually DO anything. The Speaker will just say "lolnope" and it's done.


I am too, sort of.

I think the mechanism might be some closed-door ball-breaking by senators of representatives.
The senators are much more connected to the military-industrial-financial complex than the reps, so there is probably some leverage there, and at multiple levels.
 
2013-10-13 04:50:51 PM

a_bilge_monkey: ghare: armoredbulldozer: simplicimus: We could abolish the Department of the Interior and move the Bureau of Indian Affairs to a more competent Department. That should save some money.

Stop sending money to these farked up countries like Egypt, stop paying the UN and get rid of them from our soil, kill the DOE and the DOE, stop Secret Service protection for that coont adviser Imbecile Obama has.....the list goes on.......

Keep insulting the Repubs, you know, the party that freed the slaves.......

And then thought better of it.

Sublime.


I don't practice Santeria...
 
2013-10-13 04:50:57 PM

hubiestubert: Good luck with that.

Backers are already getting nervous, especially as they look around and realize that even their captive media can't KEEP pointing folks to cat chases dog stories about National Park closures. Skirting closer and closer to the REALLY bad sh*t is starting to make investors nervous, and no one wants that. At this point, the House is looking at not just the President but the Senate to be at odds with, and the longer this goes on, the more chance that the Idiot Brigade is going to do something truly idiotic. Not like "Vrooom, vroooooom I'mma trucker and I hate the Obummer and we're gonna trucka convoy through Washington, man!" idiotic, but finally getting the idea in their heads that they're going to secede, and shoot some folks brand of stoopid. And they'll do it chanting out the names of their favorite Congresscritters--which, by the logic applied in all cases of violence as of late, means that IF they're fans, they MUST be endorsed. Like how video games and music cause all sorts of violence, teen pregnancies, and atheism and devil worship.

I know. There have been some mass shooters as of late, plus that kooky McVeigh kid who lost his "worst domestic terrorism in the US" status when some upstarts threw him off the charts, but I have the feeling that IF folks finally see their "chance" that they'll go big, and it will wind up getting some Brave Pioneers shot, and it's going to look even grimmer in Mudville. I'll give folks credit for sticking to their lie, and keeping the narrative rolling, but painting yourself into a corner, and expecting folks to cheer your resolve isn't exactly something to be proud of. And these folks are expecting EVERYONE to cheer as they continue to paint faster...


uh huh.
 
2013-10-13 04:51:23 PM

Cyclometh: How will negotiating with the Senate make a difference when one man (John Boehner) can prevent the passage of any bill in the House?


Atomic wedgy
 
2013-10-13 04:52:01 PM

shower_in_my_socks: quatchi: "We don't support it," House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters, saying that the reasons for opposition were "too many to go into."

There are so many reasons for opposing the Collins plan that Paul Ryan can't even think of one?


Well, see, Ryan's this math genius, so he could give all us simpletons a straight answer, but we wouldn't be able to understand it.


Ryan has his shoes on so he could only count as high as ten.
 
2013-10-13 04:54:21 PM
Kittypie070: I just got told quite firmly this morning that investors were perfectly relaxed about all this.

Only because they can't conceive of the US defaulting on it's debt.  A risk-free interest rate is essential to Modern Portfolio Theory.  It'd be like finding out Jesus was an alien.  People would go nuts.
 
2013-10-13 04:55:14 PM

hubiestubert: Backers are already getting nervous, especially as they look around and realize that even their captive media can't KEEP pointing folks to cat chases dog stories about National Park closures


I'm wondering at what point the major financial backers are going to start putting their money where their mouths are.  They can't just keep throwing good money after bad forever.
 
2013-10-13 04:56:22 PM

quatchi: shower_in_my_socks: quatchi: "We don't support it," House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters, saying that the reasons for opposition were "too many to go into."

There are so many reasons for opposing the Collins plan that Paul Ryan can't even think of one?

Well, see, Ryan's this math genius, so he could give all us simpletons a straight answer, but we wouldn't be able to understand it.

Of course, that must be it. Truly Paul Ryan's intellect is dizzying to us lesser mortals.


So Ryan is saying, But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own budget or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own budget , because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the budget in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the budget in front of me.
 
2013-10-13 04:56:23 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: I think the mechanism might be some closed-door ball-breaking by senators of representatives.


The Speaker and the Teabaggers in the House know they have the leverage. They're not going to give it up because a bunch of RINOs from the Senate tell them to.
 
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