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2013-10-13 08:47:57 AM
Excellent. Now we can stand up the "Days since police fired their tracking device at a person counter".

/Reset to zero
 
2013-10-13 08:48:34 AM
Grab a gardening glove and put it on.
Grab the device and the goo, then throw them both away.
Proceed with your criminal enterprise.
 
2013-10-13 08:51:01 AM
fired from a small cannon installed in the grill

Can I get one that fires 50mm shells for the assholes driving slow in the left lane?
 
2013-10-13 08:52:36 AM
tradingcarddb.com

Approves
 
2013-10-13 08:52:39 AM
I hate to say this (since it came out of Florida) but that's not a bad idea.  Not perfect (transmitter can be removed, etc), but a good solution to the car chase problem.  My question is why are they trying this in Tampa and not LA?  Do they have that many high-speed pursuits in the land of old people?  Are these things safe to fire off near farmers markets?
 
2013-10-13 08:53:02 AM
This is a pretty neat idea from a "minimize property damage and unnecessary risk to life and limb" perspective. If it catches on it might make the next GTA franchise entry a bit more difficult too.

/my wife already beat GTA V.
//looking at you, Rockstar.
 
2013-10-13 08:55:05 AM
Meth is a hell of a drug.
 
2013-10-13 08:56:28 AM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-10-13 08:56:28 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Meth is a hell of a drug.


I meant to post that in the thread about the exploding house.
 
2013-10-13 08:57:19 AM

abhorrent1: fired from a small cannon installed in the grill

Can I get one that fires 50mm shells for the assholes driving slow in the left lane?


Oh my God could I have used one when driving through Missouri last week.  I'm convinced that listening to country makes you a complete farking idiot.
 
2013-10-13 08:58:05 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Some Coke Drinking Guy: Meth is a hell of a drug.

I meant to post that in the thread about the exploding house.


Still works here, in a weird interpretive way.
 
2013-10-13 08:59:30 AM
What about when you can make GPS devices microns across and drop swarms of them everywhere?  You could scan someone and know their exact route all day by the minute devices covering their clothing.
 
2013-10-13 09:02:02 AM

edmo: Excellent. Now we can stand up the "Days since police fired their tracking device at a person counter".

/Reset to zero


People already get enough goo to the face without having to worry about being hit by police.
 
2013-10-13 09:03:40 AM

swannie: I hate to say this (since it came out of Florida) but that's not a bad idea.  Not perfect (transmitter can be removed, etc), but a good solution to the car chase problem.  My question is why are they trying this in Tampa and not LA?  Do they have that many high-speed pursuits in the land of old people?  Are these things safe to fire off near farmers markets?




allthingsd.com
 
2013-10-13 09:05:28 AM
isn't it cheaper to just shoot the driver to death?
 
2013-10-13 09:07:01 AM
Next up: adding the cost of tracking device to the court costs and fine.  They play; you pay.
 
2013-10-13 09:09:50 AM

piperTom: Next up: adding the cost of tracking device to the court costs and fine.  They play; you pay.


If you're running from the cops, your probably have a lot more to worry about then the added $250 for the tracking device.
 
2013-10-13 09:10:03 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What about when you can make GPS devices microns across and drop swarms of them everywhere?  You could scan someone and know their exact route all day by the minute devices covering their clothing.


Great. Thanks. Now I have to shower again.

Still not clean... Government can see me... Still not clean...
 
2013-10-13 09:12:05 AM

swannie: I hate to say this (since it came out of Florida) but that's not a bad idea.  Not perfect (transmitter can be removed, etc), but a good solution to the car chase problem.  My question is why are they trying this in Tampa and not LA?  Do they have that many high-speed pursuits in the land of old people?  Are these things safe to fire off near farmers markets?


You'd be surprised how many high speed chases happen here. And it was tested in St. Petersburg, which was once known as "God's little waiting room."

Our high speed chases tend to happen less on the Interstates and more on surface streets, and I don't know why, but I've never seen the cops use "stop sticks" here. A lot of high speed chases tend to result in injury to innocent people and property damage. I'd say the cops being able to drop the chase and still track the perp is a great idea from a safety standpoint.
 
2013-10-13 09:13:58 AM

miss diminutive: edmo: Excellent. Now we can stand up the "Days since police fired their tracking device at a person counter".

/Reset to zero

People already get enough goo to the face without having to worry about being hit by police.


How YOU doin'!
 
2013-10-13 09:17:56 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What about when you can make GPS devices microns across and drop swarms of them everywhere?  You could scan someone and know their exact route all day by the minute devices covering their clothing.


Well, I suppose you'll have to wait for the next update to the laws of physics for that one. But it'll be a blast!
 
2013-10-13 09:18:13 AM

Wendy's Chili: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 369x241]


Exactly.
 
2013-10-13 09:28:49 AM
Seems like this device is of limited use for pursuits they were going to break off of anyway. If the perp is deemed dangerous they don't stop. I could see it dramatically increasing the recovery rate for stolen vehicles though. A cop wouldn't even have to engage in a stop. If a tag came back as stolen just tag the car. I'm sure the car thief would know he got tagged and look for the closest place to ditch the car.
 
2013-10-13 09:29:20 AM
Aka it was one of RoboCop's weapons in the old RoboCop cartoon they attempted to keep going. In which he fought terrorists without killing anyone.
 
2013-10-13 09:44:17 AM

abhorrent1: fired from a small cannon installed in the grill

Can I get one that fires 50mm shells for the assholes driving slow in the left lane?


Sure, and we'll throw in a bumper trigger, no charge.

/played a LOT of Car Wars back in the day
 
2013-10-13 09:52:48 AM
Almost anything is better than a high speed chase.

Too bad it will cost an exuberant amount of money because /fark it it's taxpayer money, it's free and limitless

/speaking of, and this would almost certainly backfire, what if we had a 'Q' like group that did research and development of this type, maybe a division of the FBI, to keep the rampant costs down on new equipment like this

//did you know bulletproof vests "expire"? testing shows they work just fine well past the expiration date the manufacturer puts on them, but how else is the manufacturer going to rake in that free taxpayer money? that type of shiat needs to be manufactured internally
 
2013-10-13 09:58:05 AM

PunGent: abhorrent1: fired from a small cannon installed in the grill

Can I get one that fires 50mm shells for the assholes driving slow in the left lane?

Sure, and we'll throw in a bumper trigger, no charge.

/played a LOT of Car Wars back in the day


Paint bags and ATAD baby!
 
2013-10-13 10:04:31 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/205753-supreme-co u rt-rules-warrantless-gps-tracking-is-unconstitutional

How are they going to address this issue?  I understand warrants are laughingly easy to get issued in most states and in most situations, but during a high-speed chase?
 
2013-10-13 10:17:41 AM

MurphyMurphy: Almost anything is better than a high speed chase.

Too bad it will cost an exuberant amount of money because /fark it it's taxpayer money, it's free and limitless

/speaking of, and this would almost certainly backfire, what if we had a 'Q' like group that did research and development of this type, maybe a division of the FBI, to keep the rampant costs down on new equipment like this

//did you know bulletproof vests "expire"? testing shows they work just fine well past the expiration date the manufacturer puts on them, but how else is the manufacturer going to rake in that free taxpayer money? that type of shiat needs to be manufactured internally


Free markets! Privatization!

Don't you know, Government can't do anything right.

Except cure diseases, build hospitals, bridges and roads, invent revolutionary technologies like the Internet and oh yeah, land a man on the moon.
 
2013-10-13 10:20:42 AM
Remember the old Fearless Fostick comics?  The one where he was always accidently plugging some pedestrian old lady through the brain?  It'd be great to see one where the old lady is suffocated by a mis-aimed blob!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2013-10-13 10:21:16 AM
Mine does the same but it takes about 9 months to activate.....
 
2013-10-13 10:21:26 AM
Seems like Batman is loaning out his toys.
 
2013-10-13 10:24:12 AM
Good Idea. Is it possible to reuse the GPS device after recovery? That would save a bunch of $$$.
 
2013-10-13 10:39:54 AM

cevrulin: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/205753-supreme-co u rt-rules-warrantless-gps-tracking-is-unconstitutional

How are they going to address this issue?  I understand warrants are laughingly easy to get issued in most states and in most situations, but during a high-speed chase?


You don't need a warrant for pursuit of an in-progress felony.
 
2013-10-13 11:05:01 AM

Flotilla Vamp: cevrulin: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/205753-supreme-co u rt-rules-warrantless-gps-tracking-is-unconstitutional

How are they going to address this issue?  I understand warrants are laughingly easy to get issued in most states and in most situations, but during a high-speed chase?

You don't need a warrant for pursuit of an in-progress felony.


It would be extremely easy to argue that the application of the GPS sticker was merely an extension of the pursuit.

The only downside to this that I can see is that it allows a break in surveillance.  At some point, when the criminal realizes he's been tagged, he can ditch the car and either bail-n-run, steal (or worse, carjack) another vehicle, or find someplace where there are a lot of people and then melt into the crowd.  Most of those are bad, but there's no guarantee that the criminals will do them.  Whereas a continued pursuit is nearly certain to end in death or serious injury, possibly to bystanders and/or cops as well as the criminal.
 
2013-10-13 11:09:50 AM

cevrulin: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/205753-supreme-co u rt-rules-warrantless-gps-tracking-is-unconstitutional

How are they going to address this issue?  I understand warrants are laughingly easy to get issued in most states and in most situations, but during a high-speed chase?


I think this would fall into the category of things that are allowed without a warrant where the need/benefit is obvious and the situation is immediate enough that there's no way to get a warrant.  It would be the same reason why a cop can't just randomly decide to break into your car or your house "just because" (in theory, to pre-empt the inevitable no-knock links), but can do both of those things if they're pursuing an escaping suspect and saw them go inside your car/house/etc.

Addtionally, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that several things turn into "no longer needs a warrant" when it becomes evident that a crime has taken place.  I would think that GPS tagging a car which they discover was reported stolen would fall into that category, given that its minimally dangerous.  Also, the car owner basically approved it; reporting a car stolen has an implied "find out where my car is" statement in it, and GPS tagging the stolen car would allow the cops to do that very thing. :P
 
2013-10-13 11:22:02 AM

yukichigai: cevrulin: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/205753-supreme-co u rt-rules-warrantless-gps-tracking-is-unconstitutional

How are they going to address this issue?  I understand warrants are laughingly easy to get issued in most states and in most situations, but during a high-speed chase?

I think this would fall into the category of things that are allowed without a warrant where the need/benefit is obvious and the situation is immediate enough that there's no way to get a warrant.  It would be the same reason why a cop can't just randomly decide to break into your car or your house "just because" (in theory, to pre-empt the inevitable no-knock links), but can do both of those things if they're pursuing an escaping suspect and saw them go inside your car/house/etc.

Addtionally, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that several things turn into "no longer needs a warrant" when it becomes evident that a crime has taken place.  I would think that GPS tagging a car which they discover was reported stolen would fall into that category, given that its minimally dangerous.  Also, the car owner basically approved it; reporting a car stolen has an implied "find out where my car is" statement in it, and GPS tagging the stolen car would allow the cops to do that very thing. :P


tillerman35: Flotilla Vamp: cevrulin: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/205753-supreme-co u rt-rules-warrantless-gps-tracking-is-unconstitutional

How are they going to address this issue?  I understand warrants are laughingly easy to get issued in most states and in most situations, but during a high-speed chase?

You don't need a warrant for pursuit of an in-progress felony.

It would be extremely easy to argue that the application of the GPS sticker was merely an extension of the pursuit.

The only downside to this that I can see is that it allows a break in surveillance.  At some point, when the criminal realizes he's been tagged, he can ditch the car and either bail-n-run, steal (or worse, carjack) another vehicle, or find someplace where there are a lot of people and then melt into the crowd.  Most of those are bad, but there's no guarantee that the criminals will do them.  Whereas a continued pursuit is nearly certain to end in death or serious injury, possibly to bystanders and/or cops as well as the criminal.


Thank you all, I should have realized there would already be precedent.  I think tillerman35 does have an interesting point regarding public safety.
 
2013-10-13 11:56:01 AM

MurphyMurphy: Almost anything is better than a high speed chase.

Too bad it will cost an exuberant amount of money because /fark it it's taxpayer money, it's free and limitless

/speaking of, and this would almost certainly backfire, what if we had a 'Q' like group that did research and development of this type, maybe a division of the FBI, to keep the rampant costs down on new equipment like this

//did you know bulletproof vests "expire"? testing shows they work just fine well past the expiration date the manufacturer puts on them, but how else is the manufacturer going to rake in that free taxpayer money? that type of shiat needs to be manufactured internally


Its called DARPA.
 
2013-10-13 12:05:21 PM
Shooting goo .. isn't that what 25¢ pron loop booths are for ..?
 
2013-10-13 12:11:39 PM
How about a blend of goo and plastique?
 
2013-10-13 12:20:43 PM
You could save a lot of money on the launch systems and stuff if you just put a GPS tracker on everyone.
 
2013-10-13 12:35:54 PM

edmo: Excellent. Now we can stand up the "Days since police fired their tracking device at a person counter".

/Reset to zero


This will save TV stations a lot of money too. Instead of expensive news copters following the perp, they can just put  Google Earth on screen with a moving dot.
 
2013-10-13 12:46:13 PM

dsmith42: Its called DARPA.


ehhbhh

DARPA is less Q Division and more Black Mesa
 
2013-10-13 01:06:32 PM

tillerman35: Flotilla Vamp: cevrulin: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/205753-supreme-co u rt-rules-warrantless-gps-tracking-is-unconstitutional

How are they going to address this issue?  I understand warrants are laughingly easy to get issued in most states and in most situations, but during a high-speed chase?

You don't need a warrant for pursuit of an in-progress felony.

It would be extremely easy to argue that the application of the GPS sticker was merely an extension of the pursuit.

The only downside to this that I can see is that it allows a break in surveillance.  At some point, when the criminal realizes he's been tagged, he can ditch the car and either bail-n-run, steal (or worse, carjack) another vehicle, or find someplace where there are a lot of people and then melt into the crowd.  Most of those are bad, but there's no guarantee that the criminals will do them.  Whereas a continued pursuit is nearly certain to end in death or serious injury, possibly to bystanders and/or cops as well as the criminal.


Or, during that break in surveillance, he wipes the GPS off his car and plants it on someone else's. Maybe now the cops are doing a felony stop on grandma.
 
2013-10-13 01:17:05 PM

MurphyMurphy: Too bad it will cost an exuberant amount of money


Well, it would take a lot of money to make me exuberant.   More than the $250 per projectile cost.
 
2013-10-13 01:30:50 PM
I'd like to see them mix the adhesive with the dye from the dye packs that are used for bank robberies or on some retail anti-tamper stuff. Then just give officers guns capable of firing these things at the jackasses on dirtbikes/four wheelers in Baltimore. The police aren't allowed to give chase, but this could prove to be an entertaining solution.

I don't live in Baltimore but I was driving through town on the way to a friend's house a couple years back and was passed by a pack of at least 100 asshats popping wheelies on their dirtbikes and fourwheelers.
 
2013-10-13 02:11:26 PM
For some reason, when I first read the article headline I thought police were asking people to hurl projectiles at their cars.
 
2013-10-13 02:45:35 PM

tillerman35: Flotilla Vamp: cevrulin: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/205753-supreme-co u rt-rules-warrantless-gps-tracking-is-unconstitutional

How are they going to address this issue?  I understand warrants are laughingly easy to get issued in most states and in most situations, but during a high-speed chase?

You don't need a warrant for pursuit of an in-progress felony.

It would be extremely easy to argue that the application of the GPS sticker was merely an extension of the pursuit.

The only downside to this that I can see is that it allows a break in surveillance.  At some point, when the criminal realizes he's been tagged, he can ditch the car and either bail-n-run, steal (or worse, carjack) another vehicle, or find someplace where there are a lot of people and then melt into the crowd.  Most of those are bad, but there's no guarantee that the criminals will do them.  Whereas a continued pursuit is nearly certain to end in death or serious injury, possibly to bystanders and/or cops as well as the criminal.


Or plug in a gps jammer and laugh his way to the car wash.
 
2013-10-13 11:04:01 PM

runescorpio: tillerman35: Flotilla Vamp: cevrulin: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/205753-supreme-co u rt-rules-warrantless-gps-tracking-is-unconstitutional

How are they going to address this issue?  I understand warrants are laughingly easy to get issued in most states and in most situations, but during a high-speed chase?

You don't need a warrant for pursuit of an in-progress felony.

It would be extremely easy to argue that the application of the GPS sticker was merely an extension of the pursuit.

The only downside to this that I can see is that it allows a break in surveillance.  At some point, when the criminal realizes he's been tagged, he can ditch the car and either bail-n-run, steal (or worse, carjack) another vehicle, or find someplace where there are a lot of people and then melt into the crowd.  Most of those are bad, but there's no guarantee that the criminals will do them.  Whereas a continued pursuit is nearly certain to end in death or serious injury, possibly to bystanders and/or cops as well as the criminal.

Or plug in a gps jammer and laugh his way to the car wash.


Or just cover it with foil.
 
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