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(NewsBusters)   What's your favorite cuisine? "Bulgarian." What's your niece's name? "Sunbeam." What city was your mother born in? "Vladivostok." Sorry; two or more of your answers are the same. You must use different answers   (newsbusters.org) divider line 106
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2013-10-12 09:58:09 PM
So yes, by all means, let's entrust control of 1/6th of the American economy to an Obama administration that can't tell that "Bulgarian," "Sunbeam" and "Vladivostok" are distinct words!

This idiot's grasp of software is on par with his understanding of economics and politics.
 
2013-10-12 10:11:53 PM
Glory to Arstotzka.
 
2013-10-12 10:23:29 PM
Nuts. Guess this means that Obamacare failed and Sarah Palin is president for life.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-10-12 10:24:11 PM
So, he tried to defraud the federal gov't, and then wrote about it?
 
2013-10-12 10:26:10 PM

433: So, he tried to defraud the federal gov't, and then wrote about it?


But of course.
 
2013-10-12 10:37:04 PM
All of those fields look live in the screenshot.

There's certainly no way he could have, say, submitted three identical words, got the error message, and then filled in the form with vastly different words just to make his LOLbamacare joke.
 
2013-10-12 10:42:27 PM
Note: the first time I tried and failed, I supplied real answers, but for purposes of this blog, when I tried again I used fanciful ones.

Ummmm, so, we only have your word, the word of a blogger from a nutjob right wing website, that your account is true...

*rolls eyes*
 
2013-10-12 10:45:53 PM

Twitch Boy: Glory to Arstotzka.


Cause no trouble.
 
2013-10-12 11:00:18 PM
My office ran out of client intake forms the other day at the same time that our photocopier was being serviced so in all fairness we had to immediately go out of business and file for bankruptcy.
 
2013-10-12 11:40:07 PM
So let me get this straight.
An asshat tried to cheat the system, failed, and this is somehow a bad thing?
 
2013-10-12 11:55:45 PM
This is what happens when you use algorithms and refuse to actually do real world tests before shipping
 
2013-10-13 12:17:54 AM

cman: This is what happens when you use algorithms and refuse to actually do real world tests before shipping


It's also what happens when you ignore your software developers advice and make people create an account when they only want to window shop. To me that's the biggest Fail in this story.

Also: Medicare Part D had a lot of issues during its rollout, too. I'm sure these same people were just as outraged then, right?
 
2013-10-13 12:21:32 AM

SilentStrider: So let me get this straight.
An asshat tried to cheat the system, failed, and this is somehow a bad thing?


Because coming up with answers to security questions that aren't demonstrably true is illegal.

Ya gotta love how hard everyone's trying to pretend simultaneously that nothing is wrong here and that everything that's wrong is someone else's fault.

No matter where you stand on Obamacare, even if you factor in how this site has to juggle multiple data sources that don't match, this site is a clusterfark.
 
2013-10-13 12:25:27 AM

Sensei Can You See: SilentStrider: So let me get this straight.
An asshat tried to cheat the system, failed, and this is somehow a bad thing?

Because coming up with answers to security questions that aren't demonstrably true is illegal.

Ya gotta love how hard everyone's trying to pretend simultaneously that nothing is wrong here and that everything that's wrong is someone else's fault.

No matter where you stand on Obamacare, even if you factor in how this site has to juggle multiple data sources that don't match, this site is a clusterfark.


Of course its a clusterfark. It just debuted! New things have bugs and quirks. They will be ironed out.

When Fark debuted a new interface in 2007, now THAT was a more epic clusterfark.
 
2013-10-13 12:50:06 AM
I bet that these are the same people that were responsible for the Sim City fiasco.
 
2013-10-13 12:51:02 AM
News Busters?  In my Geek tab?
 
2013-10-13 12:59:16 AM
It does make a clever way to handle system overload, providing a Kafkaesque response in the system.
 
2013-10-13 01:02:51 AM
So the rollout of healthcare.gov has been a farking trainwreck.

Had anyone seen a timetable on when it might finally, you know, work correctly?

Just curious.
 
2013-10-13 01:05:04 AM
This is why the government shouldn't contract out work.
 
2013-10-13 01:06:05 AM

cman: New things have bugs and quirks. They will be ironed out.

When Fark debuted a new interface in 2007, now THAT was a more epic clusterfark.


I've been involved in several dozen site rollouts in my career, most of them enterprise level and up. I've seen trainwrecks but I've never seen anything fail like this -- requiring queuing up users a small handful at a time because it can't handle the load, and still completely farked up almost two weeks later.
 
2013-10-13 01:08:24 AM

baka-san: Note: the first time I tried and failed, I supplied real answers, but for purposes of this blog, when I tried again I used fanciful ones.

Ummmm, so, we only have your word, the word of a blogger from a nutjob right wing website, that your account is true...

*rolls eyes*


It happened to me as well.  I'm on account number 3 because I go through, create an account, authenticate it, try to log back in as it and get bad password errors, try to reset the password and the secret questions are always wrong.

I still haven't been able to "window shop" yet and I'm stuck with the Federal stuff since Rick "Dick With Ears" Scott hates the black President.
 
2013-10-13 01:08:35 AM
Has anyone here at fark made an account yet? How'd it go?
 
2013-10-13 01:10:21 AM
Can we please stop pretending that these website "security" questions actually add any useful amount of security? If you want two-factor authentication then USE two-factor authentication, not just an additional set of weak passwords.
 
2013-10-13 01:14:23 AM
This glitch has been around for a week at least. i think they've finally fixed it on the healthcare.gov since I can now get past the three question part of the webpage.

Now I get
Create a Marketplace account
Important: Your account couldnt be created at this time. The system is unavailable.


But it will keep your username as if you had succeeded meaning you need to use a different one next time. And it will kick you all the way back to the start so you have to put all your info  in again.

You would think it would put you in a queue or something instead of just kicking you out and making you re-enter the data if this is simply due to overloading.

This website is very poorly designed.

I wonder who got paid to let the contract.
 
2013-10-13 01:16:26 AM

CujoQuarrel: This website is very poorly designed.


Hey, it's the GOP's fault the site is poorly designed and besides, there is absolutely nothing wrong it.
 
2013-10-13 01:18:59 AM

fusillade762: Also: Medicare Part D had a lot of issues during its rollout, too. I'm sure these same people were just as outraged then, right?


I don't recall this level of difficulty on the technical end, but as a conservative and Bush supporter in general, I was indeed outraged about Medicaid Part D -- it was nothing more than pandering to that voter bloc and a huge waste of money.
 
2013-10-13 01:21:41 AM
FTA: My Failed Attempt to Create An Obamacare Account: Can Site Really Be This Stupid?

Can blogger really be this stupid?
 
2013-10-13 01:28:37 AM
Fail tag also awarded to author for the last sentence of his post.
 
2013-10-13 01:28:43 AM
The organization that put together the website is incompetent.  They left out one of the basic steps when rolling out code.  TESTING.  You test the hell of shiat before release.  Then on release you do "sanity testing" on the live site.

I'll give them a pass on being overloaded, though they should have known better and prepared for it (hell, just look at the game industry when a highly anticipated title is released).  But to have such basic flaws in the software on release is simply inexcusable.

Yes, that is my professional opinion and yes, I am qualified to make this assessment.
 
2013-10-13 01:30:06 AM

cman: Sensei Can You See: SilentStrider: So let me get this straight.
An asshat tried to cheat the system, failed, and this is somehow a bad thing?

Because coming up with answers to security questions that aren't demonstrably true is illegal.

Ya gotta love how hard everyone's trying to pretend simultaneously that nothing is wrong here and that everything that's wrong is someone else's fault.

No matter where you stand on Obamacare, even if you factor in how this site has to juggle multiple data sources that don't match, this site is a clusterfark.

Of course its a clusterfark. It just debuted! New things have bugs and quirks. They will be ironed out.

When Fark debuted a new interface in 2007, now THAT was a more epic clusterfark.


We got over it.
 
2013-10-13 01:30:26 AM

Ivo Shandor: Can we please stop pretending that these website "security" questions actually add any useful amount of security? If you want two-factor authentication then USE two-factor authentication, not just an additional set of weak passwords.


The types of questions used for these things are often the easiest questions to use social engineering to get the answer.  Favorite food?  Seriously?
 
2013-10-13 01:30:58 AM
Who the fark names their kid Sunbeam?
 
2013-10-13 01:51:23 AM
The author should be, what's the word for head butting someone?  Nutted? No, not nutted. Neutered. That's the word I was looking for. The author of that article should be neutered.
 
2013-10-13 01:56:20 AM

Sensei Can You See: cman: New things have bugs and quirks. They will be ironed out.

When Fark debuted a new interface in 2007, now THAT was a more epic clusterfark.

I've been involved in several dozen site rollouts in my career, most of them enterprise level and up. I've seen trainwrecks but I've never seen anything fail like this -- requiring queuing up users a small handful at a time because it can't handle the load, and still completely farked up almost two weeks later.


So, aomng other things, you haven't paid attention to any recent MMO rollout in the history of ever, then.

Or Sim City.

And keep in mind, those were products *that were supposed to be functioning at time of sale*.

The health insurance doesn't even kick in until january.
 
2013-10-13 01:57:13 AM

Twitch Boy: Glory to Arstotzka.


Paris1127: Twitch Boy: Glory to Arstotzka.

Cause no trouble.


fc05.deviantart.net
My wife to be made this for me because I enjoyed the game so much.

http://rawringplushies.deviantart.com/art/Glory-To-Arstotzka-3954252 46

I'm thinking of being the inspector this Halloween.
 
2013-10-13 02:00:51 AM
Meanwhile, my account works just fine.
 
2013-10-13 02:04:10 AM
It didn't work because Sunbeam means Vladivostok in Bulgarian
 
2013-10-13 02:10:57 AM
I've been involved in several dozen site rollouts in my career, Having seen plenty of shops in my time most of them enterprise level and up. I've seen trainwrecks but I've never seen anything fail like this I can tell from the pixels -- requiring queuing up users a small handful at a time because it can't handle the load potato, and still completely farked up almost two weeks later derp.
 
2013-10-13 02:11:05 AM
Isn't it the case that the only people affected by this poorly designed site are people from states that elected shiat for brains republican governors that refused to set up their own exchanges like they were supposed to?
 
2013-10-13 02:14:58 AM
Uh-oh, I think I just
1;DROP TABLE users
the whole Obamacare.
 
2013-10-13 02:16:13 AM

OgreMagi: The organization that put together the website is incompetent.  They left out one of the basic steps when rolling out code.  TESTING.  You test the hell of shiat before release.  Then on release you do "sanity testing" on the live site.

I'll give them a pass on being overloaded, though they should have known better and prepared for it (hell, just look at the game industry when a highly anticipated title is released).  But to have such basic flaws in the software on release is simply inexcusable.

Yes, that is my professional opinion and yes, I am qualified to make this assessment.


Give them a pass? They spent $634,000,000 on this website.

How many gaming companies spent $634 million dollars in capital outlay on their releases?

For $634 million, healthcare.gov should allow me to comparatively shop for insurance, make me a sammich, give me a beej, and shine my shoes - at the same time.
 
2013-10-13 02:21:06 AM
healthcare.gov won't let me complete my application because I haven't provided the correct documentation to show that my daughter has been released from prison.

SHE TURNED TWO YEARS OLD LAST WEKEEND.
 
2013-10-13 02:22:48 AM

Rhino_man: healthcare.gov won't let me complete my application because I haven't provided the correct documentation to show that my daughter has been released from prison.

SHE TURNED TWO YEARS OLD LAST WEKEEND.


Note:  I merely posted this as a relevant anecdote.  I'm actually quite supportive of the healthcare reform law in general.  It's not perfect, but it's better than what we had before.
 
2013-10-13 02:24:09 AM

Rhino_man: Rhino_man: healthcare.gov won't let me complete my application because I haven't provided the correct documentation to show that my daughter has been released from prison.

SHE TURNED TWO YEARS OLD LAST WEKEEND.

Note:  I merely posted this as a relevant anecdote.  I'm actually quite supportive of the healthcare reform law in general.  It's not perfect, but it's better than what we had before.


You should feel bad for raising such a delinquent daughter.

Prison at two - what is this world coming to?
 
2013-10-13 02:42:36 AM

Elegy: OgreMagi: The organization that put together the website is incompetent.  They left out one of the basic steps when rolling out code.  TESTING.  You test the hell of shiat before release.  Then on release you do "sanity testing" on the live site.

I'll give them a pass on being overloaded, though they should have known better and prepared for it (hell, just look at the game industry when a highly anticipated title is released).  But to have such basic flaws in the software on release is simply inexcusable.

Yes, that is my professional opinion and yes, I am qualified to make this assessment.

Give them a pass? They spent $634,000,000 on this website.

How many gaming companies spent $634 million dollars in capital outlay on their releases?

For $634 million, healthcare.gov should allow me to comparatively shop for insurance, make me a sammich, give me a beej, and shine my shoes - at the same time.


[citation needed]

I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just saying it seems hard to believe and it's the first time I've heard this particular-and-oddly-specific claim.

Even if you're right about the total cost, the cost per capita comes out to just under $2.02.
 
2013-10-13 02:44:15 AM

Elegy: Rhino_man: Rhino_man: healthcare.gov won't let me complete my application because I haven't provided the correct documentation to show that my daughter has been released from prison.

SHE TURNED TWO YEARS OLD LAST WEKEEND.

Note:  I merely posted this as a relevant anecdote.  I'm actually quite supportive of the healthcare reform law in general.  It's not perfect, but it's better than what we had before.

You should feel bad for raising such a delinquent daughter.

Prison at two - what is this world coming to?


Reincarnation + rampant recidivism.  It's a biatch.

/The technical support people were great.  I got straight through to a real human at 1AM.
 
2013-10-13 03:16:50 AM

Twitch Boy: Glory to Arstotzka.


ENTRY IS NOT GUARANTEED
 
2013-10-13 03:17:59 AM

Rhino_man: Elegy: OgreMagi: The organization that put together the website is incompetent.  They left out one of the basic steps when rolling out code.  TESTING.  You test the hell of shiat before release.  Then on release you do "sanity testing" on the live site.

I'll give them a pass on being overloaded, though they should have known better and prepared for it (hell, just look at the game industry when a highly anticipated title is released).  But to have such basic flaws in the software on release is simply inexcusable.

Yes, that is my professional opinion and yes, I am qualified to make this assessment.

Give them a pass? They spent $634,000,000 on this website.

How many gaming companies spent $634 million dollars in capital outlay on their releases?

For $634 million, healthcare.gov should allow me to comparatively shop for insurance, make me a sammich, give me a beej, and shine my shoes - at the same time.

[citation needed]

I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just saying it seems hard to believe and it's the first time I've heard this particular-and-oddly-specific claim.

Even if you're right about the total cost, the cost per capita comes out to just under $2.02.


Hmm, that's the number being bandied about in the media as of last week, so I floated it out there.

Digging a little deeper, it appears the original $634m figure came from an article by Digital Trends; they've since revised the number down to "greater than $500 million" but that original $634 figure is still being repeated by the major news organizations (I heard it today). I'm pretty sure that number includes the various data centers, administrative salaries, etcetera needed to run the entire exchange, not just the user front end, now that I look at it, so its probably not a fair tally, as those costs will be justifiable when the site is actually working.

If you take out the costs for the exchange backend - allowing as that that portion of the site might be working correctly - we're still left with that broken frontend.

I believe the original contract to CGI Federal for that particular broken piece of shiat was $93.7 million, but fox news reports that original contract at $88m with additional outlays of $55m for "web portal" design.

So yes, the $634 million figure can probably be taken with a grain of salt, now that I look at it closely. Provisionally, $100 million seems a more reasonable estimate, but anyway you slice it, that's still an enormous capital outlay for a digital service that doesn't work. For that amount of money, they should have been able to do every load test known to man.

On a side note, however, I would quibble with how you arrived $2.02 per capita. We are told the exchanges are for the minority of Americans that don't get health insurance through their employers, so I'm not sure you should count everyone in America, just those that will be using the exchanges.

That's a minor quibble though, given that the original $634 million figure I quoted is admittedly suspect.
 
2013-10-13 03:22:27 AM

Heliovdrake: Twitch Boy: Glory to Arstotzka.

Paris1127: Twitch Boy: Glory to Arstotzka.

Cause no trouble.

[fc05.deviantart.net image 850x309]
My wife to be made this for me because I enjoyed the game so much.

http://rawringplushies.deviantart.com/art/Glory-To-Arstotzka-3954252 46

I'm thinking of being the inspector this Halloween.


Good idea... See if you can get her to make you a Cobrastan passport for you to stamp.
 
2013-10-13 03:30:26 AM

fusillade762: cman: Sensei Can You See: SilentStrider: So let me get this straight.
An asshat tried to cheat the system, failed, and this is somehow a bad thing?

Because coming up with answers to security questions that aren't demonstrably true is illegal.

Ya gotta love how hard everyone's trying to pretend simultaneously that nothing is wrong here and that everything that's wrong is someone else's fault.

No matter where you stand on Obamacare, even if you factor in how this site has to juggle multiple data sources that don't match, this site is a clusterfark.

Of course its a clusterfark. It just debuted! New things have bugs and quirks. They will be ironed out.

When Fark debuted a new interface in 2007, now THAT was a more epic clusterfark.

We got over it.


And didn't have to pay a fine.....
 
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