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2013-10-12 08:06:50 PM
20 years ago a man got away with putting his dick in a toddler to the point of internal tearing which led to death.

Here's hoping this guy gets the same treatment
 
2013-10-12 08:20:53 PM

cman: 20 years ago a man got away with putting his dick in a toddler to the point of internal tearing which led to death.

Here's hoping this guy gets the same treatment


I hope he repeatedly gets the same treatment for many, many years....

This has been one of those cases that I thought would never be solved since I figured her parents were illegal and impossible to find. I am so glad they gave her back her name. RIP little girl
 
2013-10-12 08:23:36 PM
I heard some guy in New York City got murdered and they never solved the case.


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2013-10-12 08:25:52 PM
Good. Someone is in for one hell of an assraping.
 
2013-10-12 08:35:28 PM
Put this guy and the cat guy two threads up in a small windowless room, lock the door, and walk away.
 
2013-10-12 08:47:51 PM
mom never reporting anything because she thought it had something to do with the dad and she was scared.

sounds pretty fishy. at some point, you had to know the girl's father doesn't have the kid and if you suspect him, you have to go to the police and take your chances.
 
2013-10-12 08:55:26 PM
So, anal rape is an acceptable punishment in lieu of the death penalty? When did this happen?
 
2013-10-12 08:58:02 PM

OtherLittleGuy: So, anal rape is an acceptable punishment in lieu of the death penalty? When did this happen?


The fact that the little girl died due to internal injuries caused by her sexual assault I think that death by anal rape would be appropriate
 
2013-10-12 09:01:12 PM
I think that they should turn these kind of people over to the citizens.
 
2013-10-12 09:03:23 PM
I remember this case. Glad they caught this guy. Sounds like the whole family ought to be institutionalized.
 
2013-10-12 09:04:07 PM
I loathe the death penalty and don't have the cavalier attitude about 'prison justice'--be it a shiv in the kidney or dick in the ass--that's so popular on Fark, but goddamn if I'm not going to be pretty satisfied as soon as this mother farker dies however it comes about.
 
2013-10-12 09:08:38 PM

cman: 20 years ago a man got away with putting his dick in a toddler to the point of internal tearing which led to death.

Here's hoping this guy gets the same treatment


Revenge gets your spirit all icky.  If convicted, a quick double tap to the back of the head, unmarked grave.  Move on.
 
2013-10-12 09:10:27 PM

Shrugging Atlas: I loathe the death penalty and don't have the cavalier attitude about 'prison justice'--be it a shiv in the kidney or dick in the ass--that's so popular on Fark, but goddamn if I'm not going to be pretty satisfied as soon as this mother farker dies however it comes about.


I hope he lives a long time and in as much pain as possible.
 
2013-10-12 09:11:13 PM
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2013-10-12 09:24:33 PM
You named the body of a toddler raped, smothered, and dumped in a cooler in the woods 'Baby Hope'?

I guess I could see that if it's an Obama admin ref.
 
2013-10-12 09:26:40 PM
What a horrible story. They reported that the girl was starved, which led me to think she'd been held captive or something similar. Turns out her emaciated state was a normal part of growing up for her.
As horrible as her assault and murder were, I can't help but feel even worse for the other sister who had to grow up in that family.
 
2013-10-12 09:27:35 PM

oldtaku: You named the body of a toddler raped, smothered, and dumped in a cooler in the woods 'Baby Hope'?

I guess I could see that if it's an Obama admin ref.


Does your mom know you are on the internet without a helmet?
 
2013-10-12 09:28:37 PM
I guess closure is good.

However, I'm sure the SVU script-writers are already halfway done with their variation on this. All that remains to be seen is whether they plan to tie it to the government shut down, Miley Cyrus, or both.

/not an SVU fan, for obvious reasons
 
2013-10-12 09:29:47 PM
Is this where Farkers hope someone gets anally raped?
Super classy, just like Jesus would want.
 
2013-10-12 09:32:07 PM

Strolpol: I guess closure is good.

However, I'm sure the SVU script-writers are already halfway done with their variation on this. All that remains to be seen is whether they plan to tie it to the government shut down, Miley Cyrus, or both.

/not an SVU fan, for obvious reasons


I'm fairly certain they've done this one already.  Baby Faith, maybe?  Girl found in a cooler winds up that her family dumped her after she drank bleach or some such.
 
2013-10-12 09:32:16 PM
Clearly just a failed partial birth abortion.
 
2013-10-12 09:33:54 PM

cman: 20 years ago a man got away with putting his dick in a toddler to the point of internal tearing which led to death.

Here's hoping this guy gets the same treatment


The amount of child molestation that goes unreported in the Hispanic community is staggering. Its a big deal to turn over a familiy member to the police, so it often does not happen.
 
2013-10-12 09:34:31 PM
Better late than never, I guess. I have a four-year-old daughter and cringe just thinking about what the little girl must have gone through. Can't say I'm too impressed by her mother, either -- she's so afraid she can't call an anonymous tip line, send an anonymous note, something to indicate that she gave a solitary fark about the child she gave birth to?
 
2013-10-12 09:48:39 PM

oldtaku: You named the body of a toddler raped, smothered, and dumped in a cooler in the woods 'Baby Hope'?

I guess I could see that if it's an Obama admin ref.


I enjoy seeing people who have such small lives that all they can do is find a way to make an Obama reference in the middle of anything they do.

Racism lives, despite protestations.  They don't have a problem with Obama, they have a problem with a black man in the office.

A thread about a child murder - Obama reference.  So relevant.
 
2013-10-12 09:54:42 PM

Strolpol: I guess closure is good.

However, I'm sure the SVU script-writers are already halfway done with their variation on this. All that remains to be seen is whether they plan to tie it to the government shut down, Miley Cyrus, or both.

/not an SVU fan, for obvious reasons


IIRC, there have been a couple of L&O episodes using this case.
 
2013-10-12 09:55:31 PM

oldtaku: You named the body of a toddler raped, smothered, and dumped in a cooler in the woods 'Baby Hope'?

I guess I could see that if it's an Obama admin ref.


Yo, dickless, the Politics tab is over there----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------->
 
2013-10-12 10:00:31 PM
I'm completely against the death penalty so,  I'm really hoping this asshole is tried, convicted, and sentenced to a very lengthy prison term.   I hope that includes copious amounts of time in the general prison population.  I also hope he lives a very long time..... and gets exactly what he deserves.  I think you know what I mean.

/fark him daily
//make him remember each day
///hoping it's painful each day
 
2013-10-12 10:04:16 PM

2wolves: cman: 20 years ago a man got away with putting his dick in a toddler to the point of internal tearing which led to death.

Here's hoping this guy gets the same treatment

Revenge gets your spirit all icky.  If convicted, a quick double tap to the back of the head, unmarked grave.  Move on.


this
 
2013-10-12 10:05:50 PM

oldtaku: You named the body of a toddler raped, smothered, and dumped in a cooler in the woods 'Baby Hope'?

I guess I could see that if it's an Obama admin ref.


YOU are why the Republican Party has the lowest level of respect it has ever had. YOU.

Because really, if despicable humans like you dislike Obama, he must be on to something.
 
2013-10-12 10:06:28 PM

Strolpol: I guess closure is good.

However, I'm sure the SVU script-writers are already halfway done with their variation on this. All that remains to be seen is whether they plan to tie it to the government shut down, Miley Cyrus, or both.

/not an SVU fan, for obvious reasons


Hmmmm....  They already did one with a baby in a cooler,  It was a mercy killing.  Tay-sachs.
 
2013-10-12 10:25:05 PM

OtherLittleGuy: So, anal rape is an acceptable punishment in lieu of the death penalty? When did this happen?

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2013-10-12 10:26:17 PM
 
2013-10-12 10:43:21 PM

RenownedCurator: Better late than never, I guess. I have a four-year-old daughter and cringe just thinking about what the little girl must have gone through. Can't say I'm too impressed by her mother, either -- she's so afraid she can't call an anonymous tip line, send an anonymous note, something to indicate that she gave a solitary fark about the child she gave birth to?


Well, the father was the kind of freak who would ass-rape a baby to death and leave her in a cooler in the woods....what do you think he might have told the mother he'd do to her if she dared to call the cops?

The problem with people who say "she should have called the cops" is that they often live in a fantasy world where one "calls the cops" and then the cops magically show up and investigate and solve the crime instantaneously, like on TV, with no other contact with the individual who called. In reality, even with so-called anonymous tips, there's often very little doubt who called the police, especially in a case like this where the only other person who knew who killed the baby is the mom. And in immigrant cases, where it's often the father who speaks better English, even IF the cops bother to show up at all, the man is the one who does all the communicating, and can say whatever it takes to get the police not to arrest him right away--because he can speak enough English to convince them Mama is just hysterical, the baby isn't really dead, it's just over at her sister's and she's only mad at him because she thinks he's sleeping around with whores.

Then the police leave and the dad does to mom what he promised he'd do if she called the cops. After all, he knows where to hide bodies. So you're a bit harsh to blame the woman for not calling the cops, considering what the man did to the baby. He was probably beating the crap out of her, too.
 
2013-10-12 10:58:59 PM

Begoggle: Is this where Farkers hope someone gets anally raped?
Super classy, just like Jesus would want.


Is this where bleeding hearts advocate therapy and getting in touch with ones feelings while holding hands?
Jesus made the evil possessed swine commit suicide by running off cliffs, maybe he will do the same with this guy. No Kumbaya my Lord  for him.
 
2013-10-12 11:06:21 PM
Good job by NYPD in this case.  Keeping the story publicized after all these years in the community where body was found. Finally resulted in someone recalling a story about a murdered girl told to them by the girl's sister a few years back. Case has always haunted me. Wondering where her family was, if she had any and whether a family member killed her.  It was reported that father had custody of child (Anjelica) but father left her with a cousin, the sister of the perpetrator in Astoria, Queens, and she assisted in disposing the poor girl's body in cooler and in wooded area in Upper Manhattan.  Wander what father's knowledge was. There was also several people living in apartment with perpetrator's sister where murder took place.  Didn't any of these people have concern about Anjelica's whereabouts?  Also wonder about the circumstances of the sister's death.  Maybe she was itching to talk/confess and her brother wasn't happy about that.  It just seems like there are a number of people (including the sister(s) of Anjelica) who had knowledge that this poor 4 year old girl was missing and may have been murdered; but it was a third party who heard heresay reports about the case that went to the police 22 years later.  Also wandering whether this was a one time rape/murder for the cousin or has he victimized others over the years.
 
2013-10-12 11:08:08 PM
Where are we getting all this "Dad did it" and "internal injuries" stuff?

According to TFA the perp was a cousin of the victim and smothered the victim...
 
2013-10-12 11:18:31 PM

ravenlore: Where are we getting all this "Dad did it" and "internal injuries" stuff?

According to TFA the perp was a cousin of the victim and smothered the victim...


Yes. There are reports of a sexual assault which is a disgusting thing to do to anyone let alone a 4 year old girl. But death is reported to be by smothering not from "ass raping" and "internal injuries".  Dad did have custody of murdered girl and left girl with female cousin, and mother reports that she was afraid of the father, but it's the male cousin who confessed to the crime. The father's involvement and whereabouts is yet to be determined.
 
2013-10-12 11:36:14 PM

OtherLittleGuy: So, anal rape is an acceptable punishment in lieu of the death penalty? When did this happen?


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2013-10-13 12:59:21 AM

Gyrfalcon: RenownedCurator: Better late than never, I guess. I have a four-year-old daughter and cringe just thinking about what the little girl must have gone through. Can't say I'm too impressed by her mother, either -- she's so afraid she can't call an anonymous tip line, send an anonymous note, something to indicate that she gave a solitary fark about the child she gave birth to?

Well, the father was the kind of freak who would ass-rape a baby to death and leave her in a cooler in the woods....what do you think he might have told the mother he'd do to her if she dared to call the cops?

The problem with people who say "she should have called the cops" is that they often live in a fantasy world where one "calls the cops" and then the cops magically show up and investigate and solve the crime instantaneously, like on TV, with no other contact with the individual who called. In reality, even with so-called anonymous tips, there's often very little doubt who called the police, especially in a case like this where the only other person who knew who killed the baby is the mom. And in immigrant cases, where it's often the father who speaks better English, even IF the cops bother to show up at all, the man is the one who does all the communicating, and can say whatever it takes to get the police not to arrest him right away--because he can speak enough English to convince them Mama is just hysterical, the baby isn't really dead, it's just over at her sister's and she's only mad at him because she thinks he's sleeping around with whores.

Then the police leave and the dad does to mom what he promised he'd do if she called the cops. After all, he knows where to hide bodies. So you're a bit harsh to blame the woman for not calling the cops, considering what the man did to the baby. He was probably beating the crap out of her, too.


All very reasonable if the dad had been the perp, but it was a cousin, mom and dad and kid were all living apart from each other, and there were several people who could have turned in the cousin and didn't. I didn't read any indication that the dad had raped and/or murdered anyone.
 
2013-10-13 01:15:16 AM
The whole family has defective genes and their lineage should be cleansed from the earth.
 
2013-10-13 01:16:54 AM

KimNorth: Begoggle: Is this where Farkers hope someone gets anally raped?
Super classy, just like Jesus would want.

Is this where bleeding hearts advocate therapy and getting in touch with ones feelings while holding hands?
Jesus made the evil possessed swine commit suicide by running off cliffs, maybe he will do the same with this guy. No Kumbaya my Lord  for him.


It isn't a bleeding heart. It's the condoning of behavior evil enough to warrant permanent imprisonment.

It's a crime whether committed by the state or individuals.
 
2013-10-13 01:29:58 AM
THIS IS the thread where all the closeted farkers that are into anal go into a frenzy. And YES if you are in any way advocating for this dude to get raped YOU. ARE. A. DEGENERATE.
 
2013-10-13 01:46:31 AM
Good on the NYPD.  Carry on.
 
2013-10-13 02:18:45 AM
Wild Eyed and Wicked:
This has been one of those cases that I thought would never be solved since I figured her parents were illegal and impossible to find. I am so glad they gave her back her name. RIP little girl

Same here. This girl was the same age as my youngest son and it wrenched my heart to hear about her for the two or so years she was in the news.  Then when they made it "new" news last summer, it brought up all of those terrible memories and I hoped they'd find some new leads, but wasn't exactly holding my breath.

I'm SO glad that they almost immediately got new leads and found out who she is.  Little Anjelica finally has a name and I am donating to help change her headstone to reflect her real name.

Hugging my little girl twice as hard tonight.

And people wonder why some parents want to "helicopter" their kids.  It's to keep monsters like this guy away from them.  Sadly, the mother didn't stand up to protect her and keep her from this asshole's whole abusive family.
 
2013-10-13 03:58:15 AM

RenownedCurator: All very reasonable if the dad had been the perp, but it was a cousin, mom and dad and kid were all living apart from each other, and there were several people who could have turned in the cousin and didn't. I didn't read any indication that the dad had raped and/or murdered anyone.


Regardless. It holds true for other cases. In this case, mom could well just be a psychopath or a mental case. Or it could be that cousin was a psycho and threatened the family. Family dynamics are a weird thing.
 
2013-10-13 08:45:26 AM

2wolves: oldtaku: You named the body of a toddler raped, smothered, and dumped in a cooler in the woods 'Baby Hope'?

I guess I could see that if it's an Obama admin ref.

Yo, dickless, the Politics tab is over there----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------->


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Is this true?
 
2013-10-13 10:30:17 AM

Begoggle: Is this where Farkers hope someone gets anally raped?
Super classy, just like Jesus would want.


Its ok this is Fark and we don't believe in Jeebus.
 
2013-10-13 10:30:31 AM
www.punoftheday.com

I had no idea he was murdered.
 
2013-10-13 11:03:29 AM

poonesfarm: [www.punoftheday.com image 329x400]

I had no idea he was murdered.


He wasn't. He didn't putt from the rough.
 
2013-10-13 11:07:45 AM

RobSeace: 2wolves: oldtaku: You named the body of a toddler raped, smothered, and dumped in a cooler in the woods 'Baby Hope'?

I guess I could see that if it's an Obama admin ref.

Yo, dickless, the Politics tab is over there----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------->



Is this true?


Yes, your honor. This man has no dick.
 
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