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(Scranton Times-Tribune)   "Well let's have a camera car to make sure people are actually paying for two hours of parking"   ( ) divider line
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2013-10-12 06:21:11 PM  
3 votes:

RogermcAllen: fredklein: Cpl.D: Skyrmion: Wouldn't it be cheaper to go with more "camera" and less "car"?

Or a box of colored chalk.  One hour, walk down the rows, put a green chalk line on each tire.  Next hour, red chalk.  Third hour, blue chalk.  And so on.

Got three colored chalk lines?  Ticket.   Done for five dollars plus minimum wage.

1) It could be argued that it was vandalizing the cars. (People have been given tickets for using chalk on the sidewalk, for instance).

2) What if I park the next day, and the chalk from yesterday is still on the tire(s)?

3) So, all I need to park all day is a damp rag to wipe the chalk line(s) off??

1.  No it can't.

2.   A standard pack of chalk has 6 colors (for the sake of argument call them color #1-6).  The three hour marking schedule could look like: M-1/2/3, T, 2/3/4, W, 3/4/5, R 4/5/6, F 135, S 2/4/6, Su 12/34/56

3.  This shows that you are at least going back to your car, at which point you could move it to a new spot to restart your timer anyway.

the town of Winchester, TN. uses this method to enforce a 2hr parking limit. a deputy with a piece of chalk on a stick walks by and marks the driver side front tire with a vertical line from the bottom-up - so if the wheel is moved, the line is no longer vertical- if he comes back in two hours and sees a yellow vertical line, $16 ticket. all tires are marked at 8am, 10am, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm. the 2hr limit lifts at 5, so anything after that is free parking. it works remarkably well, but then its a small town. if you want to extend the 2hr limit, simply go to another spot. in the extremely unlikely event that your line lines up perfectly vertically in this new spot, i dont know what would happen. but the chances of it lining up perfectly straight in the new spot are astronomical. either way, the system works. any arguments against having a person walking the beat are just arguments against exercise.
2013-10-12 05:53:52 PM  
3 votes:
I'm shocked that this is a privatized public activity, where the new "owners" if down town posting are trying to make more money...
2013-10-12 05:52:58 PM  
3 votes:
If I read the article correctly, it was about enforcing the two hour time limit, not whether people were paying to park.
2013-10-12 06:26:18 PM  
2 votes:
Cpl.D : Paying for the parking place implies consent

Paying for the parking space also implies that you have paid for the parking space.

I suspect most of the people in this discussion haven't R'dTFA, so let me quote this gem: If someone stays at a meter, whether or not they fed the meter again, they have to move it. (emphasis mine).

This has nothing to do with the normal "city whores out the public commons for a few quarters per hour", and more to do with control, control, control, absolute farking control.

On the one hand, they will claim they do this "for the businesses", so they have a steady stream of customer turnover. The reality? This only affects people who work for those businesses who haven't provided somewhere legal for their employees to park. Fark 'em! You can't pay for your minimum wage lackeys to park, expecting them to park a mile away and take a pleasant stroll through the ghetto... And now whine to the city that your own goddamned employees have taken up a public parking space? You seriously need to DIAF, Apu.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-12 06:38:18 PM  
1 vote:
I will again recommend The High Cost of Free Parking (and again say I don't agree with all its recommendations). Donald Shoup points out two flaws with time limits:

1. Time limits are an economically unsound way to allocate parking spaces.

2. Traditional American enforcement practices encourage people to try to get away with overtime parking, when it would be better to train people to think of parking as a resource they are buying. Most people don't shoplift, but most people are willing to steal parking space time.
2013-10-12 06:20:52 PM  
1 vote:
Everyone has apparently missed this total bullshiat clause FTFA:

"If someone stays at a meter, whether or not they fed the meter again, they have to move it."

As long as the meter's getting fed, who gives a flying fark which vehicle is sitting in the spot?
2013-10-12 06:09:47 PM  
1 vote:
Pittsburgh took out all the meters and replaced them with kiosks that accept cash or credit. I haven't tried, but I would assume if you pay for the maximum, then go back and try to extend it it won't accept it. On the plus side, you can pay for 4 hours, leave for lunch or something else, then come back and park in the same zone without paying again.
2013-10-12 05:53:33 PM  
1 vote:

tjsands1118: Funny, my town is having a problem with the meters being fast, so while people are paying for 2 hours their getting 1:45 and a twenty dollar ticket.

$20, what a cheap parking ticket. Hell, around here I'd go downtown and park, take the ticket and it'd be cheaper than paying for a place to park.
2013-10-12 05:50:15 PM  
1 vote:
Funny, my town is having a problem with the meters being fast, so while people are paying for 2 hours their getting 1:45 and a twenty dollar ticket.
2013-10-12 05:45:48 PM  
1 vote:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to go with more "camera" and less "car"?
2013-10-12 05:28:30 PM  
1 vote:

Livingroom: As many crazy people in this world as we have, how come nobody is shooting/spraying/silly stringing/paint balling/etc these goddamn cameras? How far will these jive turkey's push us with their automated tax enforcement bullshiat before we as a people rise up violently?
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