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(Scranton Times-Tribune)   "Well let's have a camera car to make sure people are actually paying for two hours of parking"   (thetimes-tribune.com) divider line 70
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2013-10-12 09:39:52 PM

fredklein: Now compare that to a camera system. One camera, one driver to drive it around. How much does a good camera cost? $500? $1000? Even $2000?? Let's go crazy and say $10,000! Add the one driver's salary ($16,640, at $8 per hour), and you get less than 1/10 the cost of the chalking maids that first year. And since the camera doesn't need to be bought again, it's even more economical the second year.


That math works well in the real world, but we're dealing with a government contract here. In Government math, its "Cheaper" to lease a camera form a company for $5,000 a year for ten years than buy a $10,000 camera once because it will look like 5k on a budget line, not 10k. Of course, it will require ongoing maintenance contracts with the supplier, and the officers won't be the ones to actually monitor the system, so that's another service contract to run the software and validate the scans. And you can bet those will have union requirements.
 
2013-10-12 09:47:51 PM

LemSkroob: fredklein: Now compare that to a camera system. One camera, one driver to drive it around. How much does a good camera cost? $500? $1000? Even $2000?? Let's go crazy and say $10,000! Add the one driver's salary ($16,640, at $8 per hour), and you get less than 1/10 the cost of the chalking maids that first year. And since the camera doesn't need to be bought again, it's even more economical the second year.

That math works well in the real world, but we're dealing with a government contract here. In Government math, its "Cheaper" to lease a camera form a company for $5,000 a year for ten years than buy a $10,000 camera once because it will look like 5k on a budget line, not 10k. Of course, it will require ongoing maintenance contracts with the supplier, and the officers won't be the ones to actually monitor the system, so that's another service contract to run the software and validate the scans. And you can bet those will have union requirements.


Even assuming $5000 for 10 years, that's still less than 1/6 the cost of the meter maids and chalk for one year. Or 1/60 the cost of meter maids and chalk for those 10 years.
 
2013-10-12 09:53:19 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: tetsoushima: I guess this replaces meter maids and marking tires with a 10 cent piece of chalk. Progress.

One statistic you never hear about is the number of meter maids dying in the line of duty. It should be very, very high.


I've only gotten one ticket in my life and it was for parking illegally.  Nobody forced me to park there, I felt like I was in a rush and I happened to get caught.  Twenty bucks.  Why would I get angry at a meter maid for catching me breaking a local ordinance?   Predatory towing companies on the other hand...
 
2013-10-12 09:56:40 PM
Strange. Why go the whole care and camera route? Other methods are effective and probably much cheaper. A summary from Australia:

1)   Chalking tyres for parking has been standard in Australia for 30+ years as far as I know. But other effective methods are also around now, and probably much cheaper.
2)   Many free car parks here now have ticket machines which dispense free parking tickets to go on your car's dash. If you have no ticket displayed or the time on the ticket has expired you get a fine. This way all you need is someone walking around and checking car dashes. Before you start thinking "i'll just get another free ticket", it is also normal for the person checking the cars to have a had held parking monitor/meter thing that records the location and time for each car that is parked. This little machine knows if you have exceeded the time limit and you will get a fine. Fine's are usually around $30 and more than cover the wage of the parking inspector.
3)  Some councils have also installed light monitors on the surface of each parking space. If light has been absent from the parking space for more than the allowed parking time a message is sent to the council and a parking inspector comes along to issue a fine. Pretty clever. Strangely vandalism of the light monitors doesn't seem to happen.
 
2013-10-12 10:06:30 PM
I went to a store at noon and stayed ten minutes. Went home five minutes away and was there til nearly two. I went back to the store because I needed another part. The same spot was available right in front of the store. I was there from 2 til 2:10. I came out and there's a ticket.
 Just more intrusive nitpicking that will make people avoid downtown, and even if it's not an expensive city employee that does not benefit the city residents, and the private parking control company provides the expensive service they will need to make the fines steep to pay for all that activity. Getting a $100 parking ticket will make me a compliant little citizen. I'll never go downtown again.
 
2013-10-12 10:10:29 PM

Cpl.D: Skyrmion: Wouldn't it be cheaper to go with more "camera" and less "car"?

Or a box of colored chalk.  One hour, walk down the rows, put a green chalk line on each tire.  Next hour, red chalk.  Third hour, blue chalk.  And so on.

Got three colored chalk lines?  Ticket.   Done for five dollars plus minimum wage.


But nobody does that now because they buy cars, cameras, and fancy software. Then biatch the city is broke.
 
2013-10-12 10:39:48 PM

LemSkroob: fredklein: Now compare that to a camera system. One camera, one driver to drive it around. How much does a good camera cost? $500? $1000? Even $2000?? Let's go crazy and say $10,000! Add the one driver's salary ($16,640, at $8 per hour), and you get less than 1/10 the cost of the chalking maids that first year. And since the camera doesn't need to be bought again, it's even more economical the second year.

That math works well in the real world, but we're dealing with a government contract here. In Government math, its "Cheaper" to lease a camera form a company for $5,000 a year for ten years than buy a $10,000 camera once because it will look like 5k on a budget line, not 10k. Of course, it will require ongoing maintenance contracts with the supplier, and the officers won't be the ones to actually monitor the system, so that's another service contract to run the software and validate the scans. And you can bet those will have union requirements.


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I had a guarantee military sale with those parking cameras. Renovation program. Spare parts for 25 years. Who cares if it worked?!?!
 
2013-10-12 10:44:34 PM

ReapTheChaos: If I read the article correctly, it was about enforcing the two hour time limit, not whether people were paying to park.


its more about all day abusers and turning over the parking spot every two hours.
 
2013-10-12 10:48:14 PM

sharphead: ReapTheChaos: If I read the article correctly, it was about enforcing the two hour time limit, not whether people were paying to park.

its more about all day abusers and turning over the parking spot every two hours.


Indeed. Enforcing a two hour limit is no way to turn over a parking spot every two hours.
 
2013-10-13 01:13:55 AM

Cpl.D: Skyrmion: Wouldn't it be cheaper to go with more "camera" and less "car"?

Or a box of colored chalk.  One hour, walk down the rows, put a green chalk line on each tire.  Next hour, red chalk.  Third hour, blue chalk.  And so on.

Got three colored chalk lines?  Ticket.   Done for five dollars plus minimum wage.


I'm a Republican. I catch you vandalizing my car with chalk, you're getting shot in the face...
 
2013-10-13 01:35:08 AM
That's why they need the camera car that keeps track of everybody's license plate.  To catch overtime parking violators.  Keep telling yourself that.   Sheeple
 
2013-10-13 03:36:00 AM
Good luck to them. They tried that in Wellington, New Zealand and it was desperately unpopular. It made a lot of money but it also got councillors voted out. My mum was almost the last straw for it - she took the parking enforcement company to court, because she pulled over on a narrow street to let the camera car go past, and it took a photo of her "illegally parking" while it had her boxed in.
 
2013-10-13 06:52:01 AM
I like to choose which laws I have to obey as well. Cameras should not be used to produce evidence of unlawful activity and all officers should wear full hi-viz uniform.

Parking restrictions, speeding, terrorism - makes no difference, they're all laws that I need to choose if they're relevant t me.

/Stop farking whingeing peeps, if you're caught man up.
 
2013-10-13 08:13:48 AM

Cpl.D: Skyrmion: Wouldn't it be cheaper to go with more "camera" and less "car"?

Or a box of colored chalk.  One hour, walk down the rows, put a green chalk line on each tire.  Next hour, red chalk.  Third hour, blue chalk.  And so on.

Got three colored chalk lines?  Ticket.   Done for five dollars plus minimum wage.


They do this in my town. A little cheesecloth bag full of powdered chalk that they whack on your tire once an hour
 
2013-10-13 06:24:55 PM
Late to the game, but what if you pay for parking, do your business at a local store, leave and then realize you forgot something?  You go back and, luckily, get the same space.  Pay again, because you're a responsible citizen, but BOOM, still get a ticket.
 
2013-10-13 08:08:08 PM

timujin: Late to the game, but what if you pay for parking, do your business at a local store, leave and then realize you forgot something?  You go back and, luckily, get the same space.  Pay again, because you're a responsible citizen, but BOOM, still get a ticket.


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2013-10-13 08:28:08 PM

timujin: Late to the game, but what if you pay for parking, do your business at a local store, leave and then realize you forgot something?  You go back and, luckily, get the same space.  Pay again, because you're a responsible citizen, but BOOM, still get a ticket.


Read upthread, this is exactly what happened to a farker.
 
2013-10-13 10:52:08 PM
Well if I go to the Italian Festival in Scranton next year I guess I will have to come back every 2 hours or so to pay again. Well that city needs your money...
 
2013-10-14 12:18:18 AM

RogermcAllen: timujin: Late to the game, but what if you pay for parking, do your business at a local store, leave and then realize you forgot something?  You go back and, luckily, get the same space.  Pay again, because you're a responsible citizen, but BOOM, still get a ticket.

Read upthread, this is exactly what happened to a farker.


ah, right, should have read the whole thread.  Anyway, there you go, giant problem.  I mean, this is ostensibly because businesses want the parking spots in front of their stores to be available for customers, but one way to keep people from coming around is to give them parking tickets when they've paid the meter.
 
2013-10-14 01:33:52 AM

LordOfThePings: timujin: Late to the game, but what if you pay for parking, do your business at a local store, leave and then realize you forgot something?  You go back and, luckily, get the same space.  Pay again, because you're a responsible citizen, but BOOM, still get a ticket.

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That game comes with buttplugs?
 
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