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(Opposing Views)   An accomplished 16-year-old martial arts champ isn't being allowed on her Catholic school's wrestling team just because she's a girl. Video of her kicking people's asses included   (opposingviews.com) divider line 106
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2013-10-12 04:14:38 PM
That's nothing, you should see her box.
 
2013-10-12 04:25:28 PM
She is not allowed to join the team because, according to the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, gender differences play a vital role in the development of a mature Christian identity.

lolwut? I guess she better not wrestle then, she needs to keep her uterus intact for all those babies she'll be raising in the future...
 
2013-10-12 04:29:46 PM
Girls Gone Grapplin'!

Anyone?
 
2013-10-12 04:30:37 PM
fap? (asking for a friend)
 
2013-10-12 04:33:39 PM
At a Catholic school?  I'm shocked.
 
2013-10-12 04:34:31 PM
Oh maybe the church leaders think she doesn't like a UFIA like the rest of the boys do?

/Amateur wrestling: The off-mat hijinks are only gay when gays do it.
//she'll love tea-bagging, along with the 'roman helmet'.
 
2013-10-12 04:34:58 PM
We all know the real reason they won't let her

the only thing more embarrassing than being beaten up by a girl, at that age, is having a gymnasium full of people (whether you win or lose the match) see you pop a boner in wrestling spandex.

So much grappling, groping, tugging, grunting sweating... look, I'm all for tearing down social barriers, but perhaps when it comes to teenage wrestling we can leave this one alone?

Let her take up boxing, it's more satisfying and less ridden with communicable diseases anyways.
 
2013-10-12 04:36:28 PM
Wait, you want me to mount, dominate, and writhe around on the mat with a girl!? Ew, gross!

/She can wrestle me any time.
//When she turns 18, or course
 
2013-10-12 04:37:29 PM

BumpInTheNight: That's nothing, you should see her box.


One and done unless someone wants to post pics of high kick girls, or other chicks fighting in plaid miniskirts
 
2013-10-12 04:37:50 PM
Yet despite all of her fighting accomplishments, her high school won't let her join the wrestling team. She is not allowed to join the team because, according to the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, gender differences play a vital role in the development of a mature Christian identity. Allowing a female to join a male wrestling team could compromise that gender identity development.

Guys rolling around on the floor with guys, or guys rolling around on the ground with a girl. Seems to me that the latter would emphasize some of those gender differences more efficiently, anatomically speaking.

While we're at it, exactly what "gender identity" is established through wrestling?

As with most things Catholic, I think it's code for "sexual". And if that's the case, what aspect of sexuality about this makes them uncomfortable? Guys rolling around with a girl, or guy not rolling around with other guys? Either way, does this come down to someone getting an unwanted boner?

Or are they afraid a girl is going to prove stronger than the boys and thus upset all their preconceived notions about the sexes (i.e. men are stronger and stronger = better)?

Bah, whatever. Just more asshattery from the Catholic church.
 
2013-10-12 04:39:31 PM
I was talking to a high school wrestling coach at a little kid birthday party a couple of weeks ago.

He was telling me about female wrestlers. I had no idea.

His best girl wrestler has won 25 matches against guys. She weighs 195 lbs.

That's gotta hurt a guy's ego a little.
 
2013-10-12 04:40:02 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: While we're at it, exactly what "gender identity" is established through wrestling?


Guys do "guy things", and girls do "girl things".
 
2013-10-12 04:41:02 PM
So a catholic school doesn't want a 16 year old girl rolling around on a mat in a sweaty embrace with a boy, perhaps with her legs wrapped around his head? Color me shocked.
 
2013-10-12 04:41:30 PM
Naked and covered in oil, like in the olden times.
 
2013-10-12 04:42:08 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Or are they afraid a girl is going to prove stronger than the boys and thus upset all their preconceived notions about the sexes (i.e. men are stronger and stronger = better)?


Why don't we get rid of all gender barriers in sports then? That means no girls teams either, all spots are earned by the best players. Then we will see what really happens.
 
2013-10-12 04:43:15 PM
Transfer to a public school. Problem solved.
 
2013-10-12 04:43:16 PM
Can we find any male volunteers for joining a teen-aged girls' wrestling team in the name of equality? I'm sure the girls and their parents wouldn't mind.
 
2013-10-12 04:44:01 PM
 Allowing a female to join a male wrestling team could compromise that gender identity development.

So, in other words, they may turn into gay priests.
 
2013-10-12 04:44:04 PM
This is a bad idea.  If they don't let her wrestle, in ten years they are going to have a very pissed-off superheroine/villian on their hands.

And an R-rated one at that.
 
2013-10-12 04:45:31 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Agent Smiths Laugh: Or are they afraid a girl is going to prove stronger than the boys and thus upset all their preconceived notions about the sexes (i.e. men are stronger and stronger = better)?

Why don't we get rid of all gender barriers in sports then? That means no girls teams either, all spots are earned by the best players. Then we will see what really happens.


I'd be for that. Then again, I've long been of a meritocratic mindset anyway. Capability matters. Gender does not.
 
2013-10-12 04:45:47 PM
The school where I coached soccer has a female wrestling program. Most of the team were barely above five feet tall, but were built like a brick shiathouse. It's no surprise really that they'd have good chances against boys in the same weight class, they'd almost certainly have leverage.
 
2013-10-12 04:46:06 PM
I was going to make a comment about gendered leagues making sense in some cases, but... wrestling isn't one of those cases.  The vast majority of amateur (aka non-fake) wrestling leagues and judo leagues, at least, are coed.  All that matters is weight class, and even that can be bent with the lighter person's assent.

MurphyMurphy: the only thing more embarrassing than being beaten up by a girl, at that age, is having a gymnasium full of people (whether you win or lose the match) see you pop a boner in wrestling spandex.


Not as frequent an issue as you'd think when someone is essentially trying to strangle you and/or break your limbs, even if it's a really hot someone.
 
2013-10-12 04:46:28 PM
meh, go to a Catholic school then play by their rules, don't like those rules then go to a public school or find another private one with rules more to your liking. I will save my rage for when public schools decide to act like asshats
 
2013-10-12 04:46:35 PM

The Voice of Doom: Can we find any male volunteers for joining a teen-aged girls' wrestling team in the name of equality? I'm sure the girls and their parents wouldn't mind.


Should they?
 
2013-10-12 04:47:41 PM

BumpInTheNight: That's nothing, you should see her box.


We will if she wears those naughty Catholic school girl skirts I've only heard about.
 
2013-10-12 04:47:54 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: As with most things Catholic, I think it's code for "sexual". And if that's the case, what aspect of sexuality about this makes them uncomfortable? Guys rolling around with a girl, or guy not rolling around with other guys? Either way, does this come down to someone getting an unwanted boner?


According to Catholic doctrine, any boner is an unwanted boner.

If they're refraining from jerking it like they're supposed to, a firm handshake with a girl could lead to involuntary ejaculation, much less full body greco-romantic grappling while wearing tight spandex.

Plus, the boy might lose, and that leads to all kinds of issues.
 
2013-10-12 04:48:10 PM
psychicdeath99
Transfer to a public school. Problem solved.


Transfer all competitive sport from schools to sport clubs. Problem solved.
 
2013-10-12 04:50:09 PM
Two things about that article:

1.
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and

2.
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2013-10-12 04:51:02 PM
She's pretty beastly.

Question for those who watched the video, know more about that sport.

At about the 1:50 mark where the guy catches her after she jumps to try to take him down....is he not allowed to slam her back on the mat? The video was edited to show a little bit later in the match so I don't know what happened.
 
2013-10-12 04:51:11 PM

The Voice of Doom: Can we find any male volunteers for joining a teen-aged girls' wrestling team in the name of equality? I'm sure the girls and their parents wouldn't mind.


Well, find a school that offers wresting to girls and not boys, and maybe your question would make some kind of sense.
 
2013-10-12 04:51:40 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: I'd be for that. Then again, I've long been of a meritocratic mindset anyway. Capability matters. Gender does not.


so why are you singling out Catholics when just about every single school in the country has gender segregated sports?
 
2013-10-12 04:51:54 PM
Here we go, another school year and another story about a girl who want's to be on the boys team.
 
2013-10-12 04:52:16 PM
My wife did BJJ with me for a couple years, she regularly dominated guys who were around her size and level - she was a muscular 140, about 5'6" tall. It was awesome to watch especially new guys who thought they were going to run over the girl.

She couldn't beat me, I'm too big, too strong and I am more skilled, but she did surprise me with an ankle lock, I didn't take her attempt seriously because I didn't think she knew that yet. I never let her have it again though :).

By the way, back in 1984 when I was in 8th grade there was a huge school in NJ we competed against, and there was a girl on the team. She was damn good too, almost beat the guy on my team. I kinda wish she had, he was a douche.
 
2013-10-12 04:57:14 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Agent Smiths Laugh: I'd be for that. Then again, I've long been of a meritocratic mindset anyway. Capability matters. Gender does not.

so why are you singling out Catholics when just about every single school in the country has gender segregated sports?


Um, because the article was about a Catholic school, and the statement I was questioning was made by a Catholic Archdiocese.

I'm sorry, was that a trick question?
 
2013-10-12 04:57:14 PM

BumpInTheNight: That's nothing, you should see her box.


Yep, I'm done. Moving on.
 
2013-10-12 05:00:35 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Um, because the article was about a Catholic school, and the statement I was questioning was made by a Catholic Archdiocese.

I'm sorry, was that a trick question?


Agent Smiths Laugh: Bah, whatever. Just more asshattery from the Catholic church.


Right that makes a lot of sense, every school does it but this instance is about the Catholic church.
 
2013-10-12 05:04:04 PM

OhioUGrad: She's pretty beastly.

Question for those who watched the video, know more about that sport.

At about the 1:50 mark where the guy catches her after she jumps to try to take him down....is he not allowed to slam her back on the mat? The video was edited to show a little bit later in the match so I don't know what happened.


Slamming in a BJJ competition will get you immediately disqualified.  In MMA (or at least the UFC) it is allowed though.

/Was DQed for slamming in my very first match
//It was an accident
 
2013-10-12 05:04:36 PM
Women shouldn't wrestle unless there's jello, mud, or hot oil involved.
 
2013-10-12 05:07:17 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Agent Smiths Laugh: I'd be for that. Then again, I've long been of a meritocratic mindset anyway. Capability matters. Gender does not.

so why are you singling out Catholics when just about every single school in the country has gender segregated sports?


Not just that, but let's get real. There are several issues at play here (NOT specific to this case, but generally):

A) Girl gets injured in a contact sport with boys. In our current climate of extreme hysteria over safety, do the math.

B) In reality, meritocracy means that in a mixed-gender playing field, most sports that people care about, men are always going to dominate. Take the top 100 male MMA fighters and put them against the top 100 female MMA fighters. I bet that the results fall at least 80/20 if not more like 90/10 or 95/5. Cue the insane histrionics after "men being stronger" really does actually show up. Because men ARE biologically much stronger, in general, and at their peak. Any strength based contest, easily, and essentially any contest that is altered by strength. 

C) Wrestling between teenage boys and girls, even competetively, is going to have a sexually charged component. If you don't think so, you don't remember being a teenager. Note that I don't give a crap about this, and it shouldn't really matter as much as any other point, but it is a reality.
 
2013-10-12 05:13:13 PM
I reckon the hickory nut crunch is illegal too.

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2013-10-12 05:15:05 PM
She still doesn't have the will of warrior.
 
2013-10-12 05:17:19 PM

RockofAges: DrewCurtisJr: Agent Smiths Laugh: I'd be for that. Then again, I've long been of a meritocratic mindset anyway. Capability matters. Gender does not.

so why are you singling out Catholics when just about every single school in the country has gender segregated sports?

Not just that, but let's get real. There are several issues at play here (NOT specific to this case, but generally):

A) Girl gets injured in a contact sport with boys. In our current climate of extreme hysteria over safety, do the math.


No.  You have absolutely no proof that a female wrestling in High School is at any greater risk of injury than a male, and there is no reason to think so.

B) In reality, meritocracy means that in a mixed-gender playing field, most sports that people care about, men are always going to dominate. Take the top 100 male MMA fighters and put them against the top 100 female MMA fighters. I bet that the results fall at least 80/20 if not more like 90/10 or 95/5. Cue the insane histrionics after "men being stronger" really does actually show up. Because men ARE biologically much stronger, in general, and at their peak. Any strength based contest, easily, and essentially any contest that is altered by strength.

You have obviously never grappled before, being a good wrestler is HEAVILY skill based.  Amateurs, especially when they are teenagers, are on nearly equal footing when in the sport.

C) Wrestling between teenage boys and girls, even competetively, is going to have a sexually charged component. If you don't think so, you don't remember being a teenager. Note that I don't give a crap about this, and it shouldn't really matter as much as any other point, but it is a reality.

Ok, now I think you are just trolling.  When you are grappling you are concentrating not getting pinned, a limb broken, or being choked unconscious.  There are some very, very attractive females at my academy and at no point are things ever even remotely sexual.
 
2013-10-12 05:29:58 PM
DrewCurtisJr

Why don't we get rid of all gender barriers in sports then? That means no girls teams either, all spots are earned by the best players. Then we will see what really happens.
I'm all for it. Let's apply that to hiring & military too.

Ohh suddenly women don't want "equality".
 
2013-10-12 05:30:42 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: BumpInTheNight: That's nothing, you should see her box.

Yep, I'm done. Moving on.


oh. Oooooooooooooohhh. Snert,
 
2013-10-12 05:32:42 PM

DrewCurtisJr

so why are you singling out Catholics

You're asking bigots to explain their bigotry? Gooood luck with that.
 
2013-10-12 05:38:28 PM
They allowed girls on my wrestling team in junior high. It was pretty damned awkward at times, but then, awkward kinda comes with the territory:

robzerrvations.com
 
2013-10-12 05:43:21 PM

Beta Tested: RockofAges: DrewCurtisJr: Agent Smiths Laugh: I'd be for that. Then again, I've long been of a meritocratic mindset anyway. Capability matters. Gender does not.

so why are you singling out Catholics when just about every single school in the country has gender segregated sports?

Not just that, but let's get real. There are several issues at play here (NOT specific to this case, but generally):

A) Girl gets injured in a contact sport with boys. In our current climate of extreme hysteria over safety, do the math.

No.  You have absolutely no proof that a female wrestling in High School is at any greater risk of injury than a male, and there is no reason to think so.

B) In reality, meritocracy means that in a mixed-gender playing field, most sports that people care about, men are always going to dominate. Take the top 100 male MMA fighters and put them against the top 100 female MMA fighters. I bet that the results fall at least 80/20 if not more like 90/10 or 95/5. Cue the insane histrionics after "men being stronger" really does actually show up. Because men ARE biologically much stronger, in general, and at their peak. Any strength based contest, easily, and essentially any contest that is altered by strength.

You have obviously never grappled before, being a good wrestler is HEAVILY skill based.  Amateurs, especially when they are teenagers, are on nearly equal footing when in the sport.

C) Wrestling between teenage boys and girls, even competetively, is going to have a sexually charged component. If you don't think so, you don't remember being a teenager. Note that I don't give a crap about this, and it shouldn't really matter as much as any other point, but it is a reality.

Ok, now I think you are just trolling.  When you are grappling you are concentrating not getting pinned, a limb broken, or being choked unconscious.  There are some very, very attractive females at my academy and at no point are things ever even remotely sexual.


You're an apologist and obviously don't know jack shiat about the real world. In the real world, women would lose a huge majority of fights to men. It's not "bragging" (obviously bragging about beating up a woman isn't exactly the height of masculinity or integrity) but that's reality. Sure, there are plenty of women who could kick my ass. I doubt very much that if you took the top 100 female MMA fighters and put them up against the top 100 male MMA fighters that they would hold their own. It would be a slaughter, basically -- and these are highly trained professionals.

Now, you're saying that high school boys and high school girls would be evenly matched (assuming weight class solves everything)? 

I'm an egalitarian, and a big supporter of equality. But biological inequality exists in terms of physical strength, endurance, ability to take a striking blow, and many other factors that favour males by a very very wide (and very generalized) margin. Stop making a mountain of a molehill.
 
2013-10-12 05:44:08 PM
allowing females to play with the boys destroys the homo-erotic appeal of the sport. that will never do.
 
2013-10-12 05:56:50 PM

OnlyM3: DrewCurtisJr

so why are you singling out Catholics
You're asking bigots to explain their bigotry? Gooood luck with that.


Waaaa! Why won't you tolerate my intolerance???
 
2013-10-12 05:57:57 PM

r1niceboy: The school where I coached soccer has a female wrestling program. Most of the team were barely above five feet tall, but were built like a brick shiathouse. It's no surprise really that they'd have good chances against boys in the same weight class, they'd almost certainly have leverage.


I think a longer lever gives more leverage.
 
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