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(Opposing Views)   If a kid can't pay for his lunch, should the school: a.) send home a letter, b.) call his parents, or c.) make him walk around with a sticker reading "Lunch money please"?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 55
    More: Strange, California Elementary School, Kim Segaline, Opposing Views, stickers, elementary schools  
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2013-10-12 12:08:02 PM
The reason why there are still poor people is because we haven't made being poor miserable enough. I call for abject humiliation and prostration before they get one iota of aid. If they still feel like a whole human being you haven't gone far enough.
 
2013-10-12 12:30:10 PM
If the parents do not like the sticker maybe the school could just have kids on the free lunch program wear an armband or if they appear destine to remain in poverty long term a face tattoo may be a cost effective means of identifying them. Any number on the tattoo could used later in a lottery to decide who gets food and who becomes food.
 
2013-10-12 12:32:03 PM
This has nothing to do with being poor. This is about parents not doing what they're supposed to do.

The sticker didn't say "fill out paperwork for free lunch". It said "Lunch money please", and it's the same sticker they put on the doctor's kid when he forgets to send money with his kid.
 
2013-10-12 12:43:43 PM

Krieghund: This has nothing to do with being poor. This is about parents not doing what they're supposed to do.

The sticker didn't say "fill out paperwork for free lunch". It said "Lunch money please", and it's the same sticker they put on the doctor's kid when he forgets to send money with his kid.


Um, sure.  You just go right on ahead and believe that school administrators are stupid enough to fark with the neurologist's kid.

Oh wait, yeah, his kid isn't there.  He's in the private school down the street anyway.

But go ahead and keep believing it's everyone's duty not to lie under a bridge, so fair's fair.
 
2013-10-12 12:50:56 PM
Well, all I know is that if I were that kid, that sticker would be coming off long before the end of the school day.
 
2013-10-12 12:57:27 PM
I don't even know why adults are involved. When I was a kid, we were allowed to handle exhibitions of non-conformity ourselves. Too fat, too poor, too stupid, too ugly, whatever, we took care of it. That's what recess was for. It was the People's farking Court.
 
2013-10-12 01:07:49 PM
What moron thought this would be a good idea? Shiat smells GOPish.
/could be wrong and this might be some liberal douche overthinking
 
2013-10-12 01:47:16 PM
I see that, in lieu of citing credible sources, Opposing Views just cites themselves now.  Good show, Consumerist Part Deux.
 
2013-10-12 02:23:08 PM
Well, I learned in the poor-people-thread yesterday that this kid should feel ashamed, so they're just steering him down the proper development path.
 
2013-10-12 02:43:13 PM
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2013-10-12 02:44:58 PM

rumpelstiltskin: I don't even know why adults are involved. When I was a kid, we were allowed to handle exhibitions of non-conformity ourselves. Too fat, too poor, too stupid, too ugly, whatever, we took care of it. That's what recess was for. It was the People's farking Court. Thunderdome.


No matter what administrators do, they can't humiliate kids the way kids humiliate kids.
 
2013-10-12 03:28:29 PM
I dig the pouty picture in TFA.

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Oh, and that's BS about the lunch thing.
 
2013-10-12 03:39:14 PM
Lunch at a public school should be free for all kids. Regardless of wealth, parents forget to give their kids lunch money. I am willing to pay a little more taxes to know that every kid will be able to get lunch during the school day. For some kids, it's the only meal of the day.
/don't have kids
//don't want any
 
2013-10-12 03:48:57 PM
The reasoning is that somehow the notes don't make it home, so a dehumanizing sticker will? Does this school not know what a phone or an e-mail consists of? Did they even bother to mail the new forms required for free lunch, or did they just think about the new requirement real hard and laugh at whoever didn't get the message?

I vote for a firin' for whoever came up with this idea. Poor kid.
 
2013-10-12 03:53:18 PM
From TFA:

Segaline, who told Opposing Views she was shocked that the school would make her son wear a sticker that publicized her family's financial situation

No, lady,  you publicized your family's financial situation by first crying about it and then going to the media. The impression I got from the article was that this was a sticker that got put on every kid that didn't have lunch money regardless of whether they were supposed to be in a free lunch program or not. At best this sticker would have earned the kid a day or two of grief before the kids found something else to make fun of. Now the whole world can see that you're a dumbass.
 
2013-10-12 03:56:48 PM

Vector R: The reasoning is that somehow the notes don't make it home, so a dehumanizing sticker will? Does this school not know what a phone or an e-mail consists of? Did they even bother to mail the new forms required for free lunch, or did they just think about the new requirement real hard and laugh at whoever didn't get the message?

I vote for a firin' for whoever came up with this idea. Poor kid.


This. I'm not even a parent, just an emergency contact for my niece, and yet the school can ring my phone for "Community event" notifications all the farking time. I'd be pissed royal as a parent if my kid came home with a sticker like that pasted on them instead of somebody doing their job and sending home a note or calling. The sheer amount of paperwork at the beginning of the year means somebody is bound to not get paperwork or misplace it in the stack. Making the kid feel like shiat helps no one.
 
2013-10-12 03:57:10 PM
That ridiculous.

What is the school bully going to do for lunch money if the 20% of kids who are food-deprived can legally beg for lunch money?

Well, we know where he's going to go: the kids with the Cash Machine labels.

Then again, maybe all the bullies are poor kids. I doubt it. In my experience, there are just as many bullies who are fat kids, or stupid kids, or the children of lawyers.
 
Ant
2013-10-12 03:57:17 PM

EvilEgg: The reason why there are still poor people is because we haven't made being poor miserable enough. I call for abject humiliation and prostration before they get one iota of aid. If they still feel like a whole human being you haven't gone far enough.


Bring back the work houses and debtor's prisons, I say!
 
2013-10-12 04:04:15 PM

DubyaHater: Lunch at a public school should be free for all kids. Regardless of wealth, parents forget to give their kids lunch money. I am willing to pay a little more taxes to know that every kid will be able to get lunch during the school day. For some kids, it's the only meal of the day.
/don't have kids
//don't want any


This
 
2013-10-12 04:10:58 PM
Not the best decision? ✔
Worthy of an outrage? ❌

This wasn't a giant sign they made him wear on his back as a sign of public shame. It was a way (not better than a phone call) to make sure his parents saw the note. Kids aren't necessarily the best at passing on paper notes, especially if they think it tells the parentals that he's in trouble
 
2013-10-12 04:15:57 PM
No option to just give the kid a damn sandwich just this once?
 
2013-10-12 04:16:23 PM

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2013-10-12 04:18:20 PM
If this just happened, then this kid has been eating for free for over a month if the school is on a regular schedule.  Anyway, many people don't realize that once you qualify for free lunch at some point during the year, you continue to get it for the rest of the school year.  There is no requirement to update the paperwork if income increases.     We could send our kids to private school, but we choose to send them to public schools and use the money we would have spent on enriching activities outside of school, books, college savings, travel, and so on.   Our state releases school-specific demographics and our elementary-aged kid is one of only 8% of kids NOT getting free or reduced lunch at that school.   There have been a couple of times that I forgot to add money onto her account and they just sent a note home in her folder and continue serving her.
 
2013-10-12 04:20:50 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: No option to just give the kid a damn sandwich just this once?


If she didn't fill out the paperwork at the beginning of the year, then apparently he's been getting free sandwiches for a month a so.
 
2013-10-12 04:22:10 PM
Free lunch for all kids. Period. Not required to partake. Remove the snack soda machines. Done.
 
2013-10-12 04:23:11 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: What moron thought this would be a good idea? Shiat smells GOPish.
/could be wrong and this might be some liberal douche overthinking


Lunch ladies are apolitically evil.
 
2013-10-12 04:25:04 PM
Well it's a good thing that kids are known for their kind and empathetic nature, and would never use that sticker as a reason to further mock and humiliate this kid for the foreseeable future. Thanks God for that at least.
 
2013-10-12 05:10:04 PM

Ant: EvilEgg: The reason why there are still poor people is because we haven't made being poor miserable enough. I call for abject humiliation and prostration before they get one iota of aid. If they still feel like a whole human being you haven't gone far enough.

Bring back the work houses and debtor's prisons, I say!


If we did that, everyone would be in prison or work houses and the economy would grind to a halt.

Also, we'd resemble China a little more than we'd like.
 
2013-10-12 05:15:10 PM
Why isn't lunch just something that's free for all public school children?
 
2013-10-12 05:22:28 PM
Considering how icky the food is, I don't believe any kid should have to pay.
 
2013-10-12 05:29:20 PM

ZeroCorpse: Ant: EvilEgg: The reason why there are still poor people is because we haven't made being poor miserable enough. I call for abject humiliation and prostration before they get one iota of aid. If they still feel like a whole human being you haven't gone far enough.

Bring back the work houses and debtor's prisons, I say!

If we did that, everyone would be in prison or work houses and the economy would grind to a halt.

Also, we'd resemble China a little more than we'd like.


We'd have a lot fewer people in prison if we had China's incarceration rate!
 
2013-10-12 06:01:10 PM
Making the kid wear a "lunch money please" sticker is just an arbitrary and cruel device by the school that serves no useful purpose.
No ethic is taught by pointless humiliation.
 
2013-10-12 06:17:40 PM
That definitely was not cool.
 
2013-10-12 06:33:45 PM
If poor kids eat free, a public request for payment will suggest to the other kids that this one isn't poor, which is precisely the opposite of what the mother is complaining about.
 
2013-10-12 06:48:17 PM

Peki: We'd have a lot fewer people in prison if we had China's incarceration rate!


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Ant
2013-10-12 07:21:22 PM

ZeroCorpse: If we did that, everyone would be in prison or work houses and the economy would grind to a halt.


I was kidding, of course.
 
2013-10-12 07:24:28 PM
I have three chirrens in school and we pay for their lunches - no free lunchy for me.  However, I do OFTEN forget to refill their accounts.  Even with the e-mail reminders it sometimes just slips my mind.  I would not mind a sticker - this is just another way of sending a note home about lunch money.  If your kid is big enough to be annoyed by it he can remove it.
 
2013-10-12 07:55:45 PM
Pssssh. He'll probably spend it on booze.
 
2013-10-12 07:59:49 PM

bigstoopidbruce: I have three chirrens in school and we pay for their lunches - no free lunchy for me.  However, I do OFTEN forget to refill their accounts.  Even with the e-mail reminders it sometimes just slips my mind.  I would not mind a sticker - this is just another way of sending a note home about lunch money.  If your kid is big enough to be annoyed by it he can remove it.


Well, that's awful big of you.  And stupid.
 
2013-10-12 08:03:11 PM

bigstoopidbruce: I have three chirrens in school and we pay for their lunches - no free lunchy for me.  However, I do OFTEN forget to refill their accounts.  Even with the e-mail reminders it sometimes just slips my mind.  I would not mind a sticker - this is just another way of sending a note home about lunch money.  If your kid is big enough to be annoyed by it he can remove it.


You're not the one wearing the sticker.
 
2013-10-12 08:06:49 PM
What's with the Chik-a-felate popup ad?
 
2013-10-12 08:24:47 PM
Ok, whippersnappers, when I was in kindergarten, lunch was $0.55 a day. You gave the $ to your teacher in the morning when she called roll, if you didn't have it she would make you walk across the school to the office and borrow it from the secretary, who was always a biatch about it, then walk back and hand it to the teacher.

The next day you had to go by on your free time to pay them back. I lost my lunch $ all the damn time for some reason. It didn't "teach me a lesson" it just helped me learn earlier on in my life that that school sucked farking balls.
 
2013-10-12 09:13:01 PM

EvilEgg: The reason why there are still poor people is because we haven't made being poor miserable enough. I call for abject humiliation and prostration before they get one iota of aid. If they still feel like a whole human being you haven't gone far enough.


Humiliation wont work. We've made being poor and accepting handouts not only accepted, but expected.

You don't hear of too many little old ladies or out-of-work men being too proud to ask for help anymore. that strength of character is long dead.

There are people on my wifes family (that we dont talk to that much anymore) that think we were crazy for getting married (officially) because "we just didnt get married so i can go on foodstamps for the kids because we say i am a single mother". Both work full time and could afford not to (tight, but possible) but its "hey, its free money, why say no?" They also have been looking into getting into a housing project. They can afford their current rent, but they think its better to pay less even if its sub-standard living. Again, free money, right?
 
2013-10-12 09:15:44 PM
Silly poor kid! Stealing is much easier.
 
2013-10-12 09:15:54 PM

twiztedjustin: Ok, whippersnappers, when I was in kindergarten, lunch was $0.55 a day.



About the same for me, too, but you brought in 2.50 or whatever on friday and pre-paid for the next week.

Not that it matters in NYC anymore. There isnt a public school in the city where 99% of the kids aren't magically eligible for free lunch. Its amazing what a false income report and a electric bill from a neighbor's friends cousins house in another zip code to "establish your residence "
 
2013-10-12 09:21:00 PM
"Stupid enough to be a school administrator".
 
2013-10-12 09:36:34 PM
i live in Yuma, AZ and once last year (6th grade) my son came home with a stamp, on his skin, in black ink notifying me that his meal account was negative
i was a bit uncomfortable with my son's skin being used as a message board when a simple phone call or letter home would have sufficed
 
2013-10-12 09:45:47 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: What moron thought this would be a good idea? Shiat smells GOPish.
/could be wrong and this might be some liberal douche overthinking


It isn't liberal douchiness. It is a compassionate liberal philosophy to want the poor to get assistance. What better way for other compassionate liberals to identify who is in need of some assistance?This is very efficient.
 
2013-10-12 10:09:28 PM

Benjimin_Dover: drjekel_mrhyde: What moron thought this would be a good idea? Shiat smells GOPish.
/could be wrong and this might be some liberal douche overthinking

It isn't liberal douchiness. It is a compassionate liberal philosophy to want the poor to get assistance. What better way for other compassionate liberals to identify who is in need of some assistance?This is very efficient.


And the conservative philosophy isn't that poor people should be able to get help from those who want to offer it. They just think that help should be given by those who want to volunteer it, and it's no longer "helping" when you are forced to do so.
 
2013-10-13 02:16:20 AM

eurotrader: If the parents do not like the sticker maybe the school could just have kids on the free lunch program wear an armband or if they appear destine to remain in poverty long term a face tattoo may be a cost effective means of identifying them. Any number on the tattoo could used later in a lottery to decide who gets food and who becomes food.


Awesome post.
 
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