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2013-10-12 11:52:07 AM  
...and it's also against the law to require proof that a service dog is indeed, a service dog.
 
2013-10-12 12:03:17 PM  

BunkyBrewman: ...and it's also against the law to require proof that a service dog is indeed, a service dog.


Or indeed that a service pig is indeed a service pig.
 
2013-10-12 12:28:19 PM  
I use one to facilitate picking up fake chicks.

Wait...
 
2013-10-12 01:29:58 PM  
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Is it still against the law if you need it to drive?
 
2013-10-12 01:31:21 PM  
I see fake service dogs all the time, usually some chihuaha, min pin, or something other trembling rat sized dog in an entitled old lady or fat chicks purse.
 
2013-10-12 01:32:19 PM  
It's a catch 22 because the things I am using the fake dog for are certainly illegal with a real dog.

/better check TFA before I say any more.
 
2013-10-12 01:33:06 PM  

theflatline: I see fake service dogs all the time, usually some chihuaha, min pin, or something other trembling rat sized dog in an entitled old lady or fat chicks purse.


Hey now!  That dog is to help her with her anxiety!  What kind of evil monster are you, denying her the comfort of her little rat dog while she's grabbing that family sized box of Hot Pockets at Wal-Mart?
 
2013-10-12 01:33:34 PM  
It's even more difficult because no papers are legally required for real service dogs.

Don't the dogs get some sort of doggie diploma, showing that they are actually trained to do what they do?
 
2013-10-12 01:34:56 PM  

devildog123: theflatline: I see fake service dogs all the time, usually some chihuaha, min pin, or something other trembling rat sized dog in an entitled old lady or fat chicks purse.

Hey now!  That dog is to help her with her anxiety!  What kind of evil monster are you, denying her the comfort of her little rat dog while she's grabbing that family sized box of Hot Pockets at Wal-Mart?


Hahahaha, it is always at Wal-mart.

There is one big old biatch that has a chi-poo mix that wears a diaper and a vest.

Now a dog that needs a diaper is not a service dog.
 
2013-10-12 01:35:45 PM  
I don't really understand why a card/ID would be an invasion of privacy.  I don't see why it couldn't merely say said dog was registered to said person, just don't put why (blind, motor issues etc).
 
2013-10-12 01:36:48 PM  
People who pull the fake service dog scam are the same assholes who will park in handicapped spots.  Bunch of scumbags.
 
2013-10-12 01:38:09 PM  
If your "service dog" isn't a Lab, Golden, or a Schwanzessenhund like police use you're lying.

There's a 0.0001% chance you have a service dog that was specially trained from a different breed, but that's the exception that proves I rule.
 
2013-10-12 01:38:13 PM  

theflatline: I see fake service dogs all the time, usually some chihuaha, min pin, or something other trembling rat sized dog in an entitled old lady or fat chicks purse.


Nice milk chocolate treats will fix the problem in no time...
 
2013-10-12 01:39:18 PM  

doglover: If your "service dog" isn't a Lab, Golden, or a Schwanzessenhund like police use you're lying.

There's a 0.0001% chance you have a service dog that was specially trained from a different breed, but that's the exception that proves I rule.


Even if the person is completely full of shiat, there's nothing the business can do.

/except if the dog bites somebody or shiats on the floor
 
2013-10-12 01:39:47 PM  
Uh oh. Don't look under my bed.
 
2013-10-12 01:40:07 PM  
FTA: Tuttle uses a service dog, Yara, because of a spinal cord injury from a traffic accident, and he and his wife were once stopped from entering a furniture store. "A girl greeted us and said she'd be glad to hold my dog outside," he said.

Why do you need to take your dog with you into a furniture store if your wife is with you? What can the dog do that the wife can't?
I fully support service dogs usage, but if there is a family member or caretaker with you when you go out, that eliminates the whole purpose of having a service dog with you. I know there are some service dogs who can detect epileptic seizures which I could understand. A guy in a wheelchair doesn't need a dog with him when he goes out to eat at a restaurant with his family. He is doing it just because the law says he can, not because the dog is needed there.
 
2013-10-12 01:40:51 PM  

NutWrench: It's even more difficult because no papers are legally required for real service dogs.

Don't the dogs get some sort of doggie diploma, showing that they are actually trained to do what they do?


www.refinery29.com
Ivy League.
 
2013-10-12 01:43:38 PM  
Why not make it at least as difficult to get a service dog permit as a handicapped parking placard?
 
2013-10-12 01:45:41 PM  

MarkEC: FTA: Tuttle uses a service dog, Yara, because of a spinal cord injury from a traffic accident, and he and his wife were once stopped from entering a furniture store. "A girl greeted us and said she'd be glad to hold my dog outside," he said.

Why do you need to take your dog with you into a furniture store if your wife is with you? What can the dog do that the wife can't?
I fully support service dogs usage, but if there is a family member or caretaker with you when you go out, that eliminates the whole purpose of having a service dog with you. I know there are some service dogs who can detect epileptic seizures which I could understand. A guy in a wheelchair doesn't need a dog with him when he goes out to eat at a restaurant with his family. He is doing it just because the law says he can, not because the dog is needed there.


The dog provides therapy for having to shop with the wife.

FTA:"When my dog is attacked by an aggressive dog, he is not sure what to do about it and looks to me. It becomes a safety issue, not only for my dog, the target of the attack, but for me if I am between the dogs," Brozman said "


She knows that aggressive dogs can attack outside too right?
 
2013-10-12 01:46:06 PM  

doglover: If your "service dog" isn't a Lab, Golden, or a Schwanzessenhund like police use you're lying.

There's a 0.0001% chance you have a service dog that was specially trained from a different breed, but that's the exception that proves I rule.


I've seen shepherds commonly used around here, especially German and Australian... There's a blind guy i see all the time downtown who has this Aussie that is beautiful and awesome... She has barks to identify people they know...
 
2013-10-12 01:47:30 PM  
That's OK I have a fake cat to use that will work just fine.
 
2013-10-12 01:49:33 PM  
The law says those entering businesses with animals can be asked just two questions:
Is this a service dog?

Yes

What is it trained to do for you?
It barks at things that don't exist, which helps me with my LSD flashback hallucinations. Training was surprisingly easy.
 
2013-10-12 01:50:58 PM  
Business owners also face problems. In August, Russell Ireland banned a dog from his Oxford, Mass., diner after its owner put a plate of food on the floor for the dog.

Good for the owner.
 
2013-10-12 01:52:11 PM  
Ya'll don't decide who needs a service dog or not. I'm glad that you guys all know that a guy with his wife with him could never need a service dog. Or a guy in a wheelchair would never need a service dog. Sometimes deaf people have service dogs- how do you know who they are? Sometimes people have illnesses where they are fine at times but tire quickly and need their dog to help them when they are tired. And there is no reason why any particular breed of dog cannot be a service dog. I agree that it is unlikely that an ill-mannered pug in a purse is a service dog but a min-pin could alert a deaf person of a fire alarm just as well as any other dog.

There isn't one universal group that certifies all service dogs. So there are just random real and fake groups that could certify dogs. Plus how would you even prove that the certificate was actually for the dog that was with you? Yea, you have an old copy of a certificate for a dog that looks exactly like yours. IT won't stop people from breaking the rules, it will just cause problems for people who are disabled.

Further, would you deny a disabled person their wheelchair if they forgot their wheelchair ID card? No. So that is basically why they don't have a ID card for people with service dogs. If you need a service dog you need it enough that people shouldn't take it away from you if you forgot your wallet.
 
2013-10-12 01:52:31 PM  
Is this a service dog?
Sure is.

What is it trained to do for you?
Piss on things.  I have a shy bladder.
 
2013-10-12 01:52:38 PM  
With only a jar of peanut butter your dog can be a service dog too!
 
2013-10-12 01:53:49 PM  
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just let people bring their farking dog inside.  jesus christ.  kick them out if the animal shiats in the floor.

/considerate dog owner, i don't take my dog to restaurants and stores, but know people with animals that would be more than fine in those situations.  hell, my dachshund would be fine anywhere I took him and just sit at my feet.  alas, pete stays at home and waits, much like Huell.
 
2013-10-12 01:54:19 PM  
Thats just as bad as the tools i see parking in the Handicapped spaces, and jogging into the store. When confronted, they say the car belongs to their mom, brother, gramma, etc. I love the look on their faces when the cop hands them a 500 dollar fine for being a lazy ass douche bag. Priceless, and yes, i call the cops. fark them, by taking a spot reserved for the handicapped, they force them to park WAAAY in the back.

/Has a brother in a wheelchair.
 
2013-10-12 01:54:50 PM  

theflatline: Business owners also face problems. In August, Russell Ireland banned a dog from his Oxford, Mass., diner after its owner put a plate of food on the floor for the dog.

Good for the owner.


the owner of the diner or the dog?

cuz fark that diner.
 
2013-10-12 01:56:20 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Thats just as bad as the tools i see parking in the Handicapped spaces, and jogging into the store. When confronted, they say the car belongs to their mom, brother, gramma, etc. I love the look on their faces when the cop hands them a 500 dollar fine for being a lazy ass douche bag. Priceless, and yes, i call the cops. fark them, by taking a spot reserved for the handicapped, they force them to park WAAAY in the back.

/Has a brother in a wheelchair.


this is different, in my opinion.  don't farking park in handicapped spaces if you aren't.  you deserve to have your car towed.
 
2013-10-12 01:56:28 PM  

frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.JPG

just let people bring their farking dog inside.  jesus christ.  kick them out if the animal shiats in the floor.

/considerate dog owner, i don't take my dog to restaurants and stores, but know people with animals that would be more than fine in those situations.  hell, my dachshund would be fine anywhere I took him and just sit at my feet.  alas, pete stays at home and waits, much like Huell.


Mine sits at home and goes through the bedside table, drinks juice boxes through sippy straws, and hoards various items in his igloo.

Once I left him on the patio but with the house windows open, I came home and the little bastard had jumped high enough to grab the curtains and sail back into the house like Tarzan.
 
2013-10-12 01:57:09 PM  

spidermilk: Further, would you deny a disabled person their wheelchair if they forgot their wheelchair ID card? No. So that is basically why they don't have a ID card for people with service dogs. If you need a service dog you need it enough that people shouldn't take it away from you if you forgot your wallet.


So if I forgot my wallet with a concealed carry license in it, you'd be ok with me still carrying a handgun?
 
2013-10-12 01:59:14 PM  
A search of Ebay for "service animal vest" turns up all kinds of interesting ptches for you service dog's vest.

I like the "PANIC ATTACK COMFORT DOG" and the "DEPRESSION ALERT DOG" patches.
 
2013-10-12 01:59:20 PM  

frepnog: theflatline: Business owners also face problems. In August, Russell Ireland banned a dog from his Oxford, Mass., diner after its owner put a plate of food on the floor for the dog.

Good for the owner.

the owner of the diner or the dog?

cuz fark that diner.


The diner.  I let my dogs lick the plates, but for many people it is a total gross out.

If the owner brought his own plate for the dog, and asked the diner owner if he could feed him, it is a different story.  But if he plopped a people plate down, that is inconsiderate and would hurt the diners business.

I know of several restaurants that have dog bowls for water and food.
 
2013-10-12 02:01:07 PM  

theflatline: ut if he plopped a people plate down, that is inconsiderate and would hurt the diners business.


why, exactly?  dishes wash and the dog's mouth is no dirtier than a human's.  Hell, it is possibly cleaner.
 
2013-10-12 02:02:03 PM  

theflatline: drinks juice boxes through sippy straws


how?  I'd like to see that.
 
2013-10-12 02:03:06 PM  

spidermilk: Ya'll don't decide who needs a service dog or not. I'm glad that you guys all know that a guy with his wife with him could never need a service dog. Or a guy in a wheelchair would never need a service dog. Sometimes deaf people have service dogs- how do you know who they are? Sometimes people have illnesses where they are fine at times but tire quickly and need their dog to help them when they are tired. And there is no reason why any particular breed of dog cannot be a service dog. I agree that it is unlikely that an ill-mannered pug in a purse is a service dog but a min-pin could alert a deaf person of a fire alarm just as well as any other dog.

There isn't one universal group that certifies all service dogs. So there are just random real and fake groups that could certify dogs. Plus how would you even prove that the certificate was actually for the dog that was with you? Yea, you have an old copy of a certificate for a dog that looks exactly like yours. IT won't stop people from breaking the rules, it will just cause problems for people who are disabled.

Further, would you deny a disabled person their wheelchair if they forgot their wheelchair ID card? No. So that is basically why they don't have a ID card for people with service dogs. If you need a service dog you need it enough that people shouldn't take it away from you if you forgot your wallet.


there are service dogs for sitting on
 
2013-10-12 02:04:58 PM  

frepnog: theflatline: ut if he plopped a people plate down, that is inconsiderate and would hurt the diners business.

why, exactly?  dishes wash and the dog's mouth is no dirtier than a human's.  Hell, it is possibly cleaner.


If a human licked the plate I'd ban the human.  It's nothing against the dog.  That being said, it would have to be pretty extenuating circumstances to ever see a legitimate service dog eating in public, especially anything other than actual dog food.
 
2013-10-12 02:06:04 PM  

frepnog: theflatline: drinks juice boxes through sippy straws

how?  I'd like to see that.


I need to video him doing it.  Dog is too smart for his own good.

I set one down on my bedside table, then went over to my computer desk, and sat down for a minute, when i heard his paws on the table.  I hear slurping noises and he had the straw in his mouth and was slurping.  I left him to it and he drank most of the box.

When he is outside and the wind blows in his igloo be blocks the door with his pillow.

If he gets locked in a room, he walks over to the door stop and twangs it with his foot until you let him out.
 
2013-10-12 02:08:52 PM  

InternetSecurityGuard: A search of Ebay for "service animal vest" turns up all kinds of interesting ptches for you service dog's vest.

I like the "PANIC ATTACK COMFORT DOG" and the "DEPRESSION ALERT DOG" patches.


i like dogs that can alert me of deptressed people and can calm a panicked gunman, good dogs
 
2013-10-12 02:09:03 PM  

Yes please: If a human licked the plate I'd ban the human.


is that wrong?  should I not have done that?  Cuz I'm known to lick my farking plate, especially if it was spaghetti.  Good to the last farkin' drop, man.

I lick my wife's butthole, I surely will lick my plate.
 
2013-10-12 02:13:25 PM  

frepnog: theflatline: ut if he plopped a people plate down, that is inconsiderate and would hurt the diners business.

why, exactly?  dishes wash and the dog's mouth is no dirtier than a human's.  Hell, it is possibly cleaner.


Have you ever smelled doggie breath? Not to mention some have a habit of eating poo. Definitely not cleaner.

Animals = health and safety issue and I don't see any reason why they should have to jeopardize their business for pet owners. For every responsible pet owner there will be one that hasn't bothered to take it to the vet for a checkup/shots. Is the owner going to pay for any damages or will they have to drag them into court? What if the pet upsets other guests? What about allergies? What if the pet injures another guest? If they start letting people bring their pets on a regular basis will the health inspector give them a hard time about it because they keep pooping on the floor? Do you think other patrons are going to want to eat when that happens?

Business owners don't need the hassle.

They make exceptions for service animals because of the medical necessity coupled with the excellent training. How many pets receive that kind of training? Few.
 
2013-10-12 02:17:35 PM  

frepnog: theflatline: ut if he plopped a people plate down, that is inconsiderate and would hurt the diners business.

why, exactly?  dishes wash and the dog's mouth is no dirtier than a human's.  Hell, it is possibly cleaner.


Because people's comfort is more important than exacting some lesson in science while eating dinner. Maybe you are just being obtuse.
 
2013-10-12 02:27:50 PM  
Fake dog you say?

media3.onsugar.com
 
2013-10-12 02:28:29 PM  

corneliusfiddlebone: frepnog: theflatline: ut if he plopped a people plate down, that is inconsiderate and would hurt the diners business.

why, exactly?  dishes wash and the dog's mouth is no dirtier than a human's.  Hell, it is possibly cleaner.

Because people's comfort is more important than exacting some lesson in science while eating dinner. Maybe you are just being obtuse.


Possibly a bit, I am just saying that lots of people have animals that would be just fine in public places.  Fact is tho that we say "dog's are a man's best friend" while that is a total lie because Fido is just not welcome in most places.

If a well behaved animal is making you uncomfortable, well, who actually has the problem?

yeah, yeah, i know, a few bad apples spoil the bunch, but when they let little snot nosed kids into most places with no problem (and trust me, we have all been out someplace and there was a kid acting and smelling worse than most dogs) a well behaved dog should not be a big issue.

I mean come on.  if they let this bullshiat into WalMart

media.peopleofwalmart.com

my dog should not pose that big an issue.
 
2013-10-12 02:33:03 PM  
I'll admit I've thought about doing this just because my dog goes through severe separation anxiety when I leave the house. I am disabled and I have trained her to pick up things that I drop and place them in my lap (more for my convenience than any actual need) so she's probably more qualified than majority of the fake dogs.

However she has an almost pathological need to a) seek out any thoroughly investigate every unfamiliar smell in her environment and b) befriend every single person she sees, usually by frantically licking them about the face and neck. Ultimately I decided she was far too high strung and gregarious to "pass" as a service dog.
 
2013-10-12 02:35:58 PM  

theflatline: frepnog: theflatline: drinks juice boxes through sippy straws

how?  I'd like to see that.

I need to video him doing it.  Dog is too smart for his own good.

I set one down on my bedside table, then went over to my computer desk, and sat down for a minute, when i heard his paws on the table.  I hear slurping noises and he had the straw in his mouth and was slurping.  I left him to it and he drank most of the box.

When he is outside and the wind blows in his igloo be blocks the door with his pillow.

If he gets locked in a room, he walks over to the door stop and twangs it with his foot until you let him out.


I don't suppose you might have a picture of your clever critter to share?
 
2013-10-12 02:37:50 PM  

Yes please: spidermilk: Further, would you deny a disabled person their wheelchair if they forgot their wheelchair ID card? No. So that is basically why they don't have a ID card for people with service dogs. If you need a service dog you need it enough that people shouldn't take it away from you if you forgot your wallet.

So if I forgot my wallet with a concealed carry license in it, you'd be ok with me still carrying a handgun?


A) Yes, if it isn't concealed, which is completely legal. In my state it is perfectly legal to carry a handgun unconcealed in many places.
B) Many private properties don't allow handguns anyway. That is legal. It is illegal for them to not allow people to have their service dogs. That is how laws work.
C) A handgun may be used for personal protection but it is not a medical or assistance device. It does not help you perform tasks. Plus what do handguns have to do with ADA law???

So your analogy is terrible.
 
2013-10-12 02:38:36 PM  

frepnog: theflatline: drinks juice boxes through sippy straws

how?  I'd like to see that.


t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-12 02:42:03 PM  
In Switzerland I was allowed to bring my dog pretty much everywhere and so was everybody else. I never witnessed a problem. However, all those dogs were well trained. Nothing like your average American swine mutt. Of course people there were perfectly happy to be bound by social conventions like "don't let you dog shiat everywhere"
 
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