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(Reuters)   Western Maryland conservatives want to secede, create own state because ... they don't like Democrats   (reuters.com) divider line 236
    More: Obvious, Western Maryland, Democrats, Maryland's Eastern Shore, Southern Oregon AVA, West Country, Carroll County, Martin O'Malley  
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2013-10-12 08:55:49 AM
I live in western Maryland and, even though I'm pretty liberal, I would welcome this.  Montgomery County is a nightmare.  The entire area is a scam meant to take your money (red light cameras/speed cameras/taxes on everything/legions of parking enforcement officers).  Fark that place.  Western MD is wonderful compared to MoCo.
 
2013-10-12 10:11:20 AM
While I do hate the speed cameras. I really like living here in Ashton.

the only down side is its too damn fr away from work in DC. The 50 minute commute each way for an 18 mile drive is killing me.
 
2013-10-12 10:32:20 AM

CPT Ethanolic: I live in western Maryland and, even though I'm pretty liberal, I would welcome this.  Montgomery County is a nightmare.  The entire area is a scam meant to take your money (red light cameras/speed cameras/taxes on everything/legions of parking enforcement officers).  Fark that place.  Western MD is wonderful compared to MoCo.


Western MD has more in common with WV than with the rest of the state. Would it make more sense for them to become part of WV as opposed to separate state?
 
2013-10-12 10:36:29 AM
Ya know... screw this United States crap, too

/everyone declare your own country
//my economy sucks... can I get a loan?
 
2013-10-12 10:45:07 AM
Good luck with that...
 
2013-10-12 12:00:30 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ya know... screw this United States crap, too

/everyone declare your own country
//my economy sucks... can I get a loan?


My economy sucks, I'm going to invade you.
 
2013-10-12 12:16:07 PM
The eastern states need to all break apart to get portion all representation in congress.
 
2013-10-12 12:19:13 PM

RedPhoenix122: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ya know... screw this United States crap, too

/everyone declare your own country
//my economy sucks... can I get a loan?

My economy sucks, I'm going to invade you.


I surrender

/now can I have foreign aid?
 
2013-10-12 12:20:21 PM
They do have a nice scenic railroad.  I recommend the murder mystery train.  It's not cheap, but it's about 3 hours and you get dinner.
 
2013-10-12 12:24:58 PM
Just be patient, the scary black man will go away in a few years.
 
2013-10-12 12:53:00 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Just be patient, the scary black man will go away in a few years.


The whole "We get it, he's black" line has become sort of a cliche, but at the same time I cannot imagine that politics would be anywhere near as derpy as they are now if Hillary Clinton or John Edwards had been elected President.

There's just this visceral, even irrational, hatred of President Obama that I think doesn't make sense without considering a racial angle to it.
 
2013-10-12 01:02:52 PM
Western Maryland is basically West Virginia. I went to college in Allegany county.
 
2013-10-12 01:09:54 PM
So, is Western Maryland basically the same as the deep south?
 
2013-10-12 01:10:15 PM
My cousin lives in this area. Sadly, he has gone over to the derp side.
 
2013-10-12 01:19:16 PM
So long as a Democratic strong hold is allowed to break away from another state at the same time.
SO western Maryland would get two new GOP senators and Commonwealth of Chicago would get two new DEM senators.

Keeping the current senate balance intact.
 
2013-10-12 01:27:59 PM

jake_lex: Lionel Mandrake: Just be patient, the scary black man will go away in a few years.

The whole "We get it, he's black" line has become sort of a cliche, but at the same time I cannot imagine that politics would be anywhere near as derpy as they are now if Hillary Clinton or John Edwards had been elected President.

There's just this visceral, even irrational, hatred of President Obama that I think doesn't make sense without considering a racial angle to it.


Perhaps it's more widespread these days, but our local right wing radio nuts (Quinn and Rose) really were exactly this derpy in the Clinton years.  Except back then, I was experimenting in college, as one does, and bought into my share of derp.
 
2013-10-12 01:30:13 PM

nekom: Perhaps it's more widespread these days, but our local right wing radio nuts (Quinn and Rose) really were exactly this derpy in the Clinton years.  Except back then, I was experimenting in college, as one does, and bought into my share of derp.


I remember riding around with my Grandfather during Clinton's presidency, and hearing Rush Limbaugh open up his show every day with "AMERICA UNDER SIEGE!"
 
2013-10-12 01:40:09 PM

hardinparamedic: nekom: Perhaps it's more widespread these days, but our local right wing radio nuts (Quinn and Rose) really were exactly this derpy in the Clinton years.  Except back then, I was experimenting in college, as one does, and bought into my share of derp.

I remember riding around with my Grandfather during Clinton's presidency, and hearing Rush Limbaugh open up his show every day with "AMERICA UNDER SIEGE!"


I didn't listen to Rush back then, but I'm not surprised.  Now to be fair, there is probably a LOT of intersection in the sets of people who hate him because he's black and the set of people who hate him because he's a Demoncrap.
 
2013-10-12 01:44:48 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: RedPhoenix122: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ya know... screw this United States crap, too

/everyone declare your own country
//my economy sucks... can I get a loan?

My economy sucks, I'm going to invade you.

I surrender

/now can I have foreign aid?


Depends, do you have oil?
 
2013-10-12 01:44:49 PM
"My personal belief is that I will probably move to Wyoming before too much longer. I believe Maryland has reached a tipping point," he said.

[wellbye.jpg]
 
2013-10-12 02:06:44 PM
Take every single one of these fools and deport them to Saudi Arabia. I'm certain they'll find a country where a tiny group controls nearly all the wealth, and laws are dictated by religious superstition, to be much more to their liking.
 
2013-10-12 02:15:06 PM
These same pieces of shiat that want to secede, simply because their political views are in the minority, will cry to know end about people and their "entitlement mentality."

They have absolutely no self awareness.
 
2013-10-12 02:35:30 PM
Well, this worked for West Virginia.

Right?
 
2013-10-12 02:38:41 PM

hardinparamedic: nekom: Perhaps it's more widespread these days, but our local right wing radio nuts (Quinn and Rose) really were exactly this derpy in the Clinton years.  Except back then, I was experimenting in college, as one does, and bought into my share of derp.

I remember riding around with my Grandfather during Clinton's presidency, and hearing Rush Limbaugh open up his show every day with "AMERICA UNDER SIEGE!"


Remember how Hillary killed Vince Foster and the "Clinton Body Count?"

But both sides are bad.
 
2013-10-12 03:23:07 PM
The latest round of gerrymandering in Maryland is sickeningly dishonorable.
 
2013-10-12 03:33:08 PM

Triumph: The latest round of gerrymandering in Maryland is sickeningly dishonorable.


Care to name any state whose latest round of gerrymandering wasn't?
 
2013-10-12 03:45:23 PM

RedPhoenix122: MaudlinMutantMollusk: RedPhoenix122: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ya know... screw this United States crap, too

/everyone declare your own country
//my economy sucks... can I get a loan?

My economy sucks, I'm going to invade you.

I surrender

/now can I have foreign aid?

Depends, do you have oil?


Joehio has a swimming pool...
 
2013-10-12 03:46:29 PM
Let them try.  Then send in the military to carpet bomb them into the stoneage.
 
2013-10-12 03:47:39 PM
There are many liberal parts of conservative states (Austin in Texas, for example).

I never hear about liberals wanting to secede to get away from conservatives.

What is it about the rightwing mentality that so often leads them to secession? Or mass-killing Jews?
 
2013-10-12 03:49:25 PM

jake_lex: The whole "We get it, he's black" line has become sort of a cliche, but at the same time I cannot imagine that politics would be anywhere near as derpy as they are now if Hillary Clinton or John Edwards had been elected President.

There's just this visceral, even irrational, hatred of President Obama that I think doesn't make sense without considering a racial angle to it.


That's true, but I think they would have done the same with Hillary. The derp has just gotten so extreme at this point - blaming Democrats is really all Republicans know how to do any more.
 
2013-10-12 03:50:00 PM
there are entirely too many people in this country who seem determined to instigate the armed rebellion they believe they will win

they are creating a self-fulfilled prophecy with no regard to actual consequences
 
2013-10-12 03:50:38 PM
You're hearing this more and more every year. It seems our whole system doesn't work well with such great division.

80 reps managed to shut down everything. 80 out of 435. 40 are hard core about it, sticking to their guns.

I think you could find more than 20% of rural dwellers that have no use for the government (democrat led, especially); 10% that outright want to tear it down.

And that's enough to do it, if they can convince "moderates" on their side to go along.

What comes irst, the will of the people, or the good of the nation? And remember, if you say the latter, you're a communist.
 
2013-10-12 03:51:30 PM
Scott Strzelczyk is fed up with what he calls political slavery in Maryland and sees one way out...

Seriously?  A whole article about ONE GUY no one has ever heard of, with no influence or political power, wanting to secede?

You know, I have several strong opinions of my own as well.  When is my interview?
 
2013-10-12 03:52:28 PM

Corn_Fed: There are many liberal parts of conservative states (Austin in Texas, for example).

I never hear about liberals wanting to secede to get away from conservatives.

What is it about the rightwing mentality that so often leads them to secession? Or mass-killing Jews?


FTFA: ...Liberals in Tucson, Arizona, fed up with the conservative state governor and lawmakers, want out as well.

We don't hear about it nearly as much, but it does happen.
 
2013-10-12 03:53:35 PM
www.ronmartin.net
 
2013-10-12 03:53:59 PM
Show me a state where everyone thinks exactly like you do...and I'll show you a state with a population of 1.
 
2013-10-12 03:54:13 PM
Whiney spoiled petulant children
 
2013-10-12 03:54:33 PM

Lionel Mandrake: hardinparamedic: nekom: Perhaps it's more widespread these days, but our local right wing radio nuts (Quinn and Rose) really were exactly this derpy in the Clinton years.  Except back then, I was experimenting in college, as one does, and bought into my share of derp.

I remember riding around with my Grandfather during Clinton's presidency, and hearing Rush Limbaugh open up his show every day with "AMERICA UNDER SIEGE!"

Remember how Hillary killed Vince Foster and the "Clinton Body Count?"

But both sides are bad.


I think you are reinforcing his argument that it is more than just a racial thing. The right wing loses it's mind whenever they do not control the Whitehouse and the pure hatred is just not rational. I think there is a racist element to the hatred of BHO but it more than that. A dem is in the Whitehouse and that drives them insane.
 
2013-10-12 03:57:42 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: Whiney spoiled petulant children


you forgot "armed" - don't forget that part - it may be important later :(
 
2013-10-12 04:00:49 PM
STFU
Put on your big-boy pants
GBTW

God damn pussies up there, I tell ya.
 
2013-10-12 04:01:04 PM
Go get some property in Somalia if everything here is not to your liking.
 
2013-10-12 04:01:27 PM
Dude that stupid billboard from the other day has the teabaggers humping the furniture Jesus Christ. You wanna know a little secret about their brilliant plan?

 If Texas were to succeed, they won't but if we did why would we club together with a bunch red state welfare junkies? I don't know where inbreds from the Ozarks and deep south get the idea Texas wants to join their pathetic little club but it doesn't. Trust me even the teabaggers in this state laugh at the idea of Texas joining with anyone. Everyone around here knows we'll end up supporting the rest and well I think you guys know how Texans feel about helping people especially the poors.

Bear in mind the previous statements are from the perspective of my dumbass neighbors. If it were up to me we'd put these white trash dirtbags on a sheet of plywood and push them into the Gulf in the general direction of Cuba.
 
2013-10-12 04:01:30 PM
How about a compromise?

You can seccede from the state, but you become a U.S. territory, not your own state.
 
2013-10-12 04:01:53 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Well, this worked for West Virginia.

Right?


The backwards state of Virginia was shunned by the enlightened progressive folk of West Virginia.

Worked out well for them as Virginia is a shiathole and West Virginia is Best Virginia.

/right?

namatad: So long as a Democratic strong hold is allowed to break away from another state at the same time.
SO western Maryland would get two new GOP senators and Commonwealth of Chicago would get two new DEM senators.

Keeping the current senate balance intact.


The Free State of Illinois would then send 2 GOP senators to DC. You'd have to break off Austin or Palm Beach to work that out.
 
2013-10-12 04:02:28 PM

namatad: So long as a Democratic strong hold is allowed to break away from another state at the same time.
SO western Maryland would get two new GOP senators and Commonwealth of Chicago would get two new DEM senators.

Keeping the current senate balance intact.


And Austin TX.
 
2013-10-12 04:02:30 PM
I'm sorry, we simply cannot allow a Cumberland gap.

/got nuthin
 
2013-10-12 04:04:23 PM
No one does.  They use the government to force people to behave in the manner they wish.  I cant think of a worse kind of person.
 
2013-10-12 04:05:04 PM

ultraholland: Go get some property in Somalia if everything here is not to your liking.


Or, you know, move to West Virginia.  Might be worth checking out.  Unless everything else on earth might as well be Somalia compared to the glory of Maryland....which I don't think is true.
 
2013-10-12 04:06:10 PM

Corn_Fed: There are many liberal parts of conservative states (Austin in Texas, for example).

I never hear about liberals wanting to secede to get away from conservatives.

What is it about the rightwing mentality that so often leads them to secession? Or mass-killing Jews?


That is a Godwin I have not seen before. Kudos, or something.
 
2013-10-12 04:06:15 PM
I doubt it will pan out, but who knows. There were similar movements years ago for the eastern shore here in MD. The situation is no different than those in Upstate NY, and Northern California: Big urban centers dissipating the representation of rural areas.
 
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