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2013-10-12 02:45:37 PM
3 votes:
Lots of ways for women to break that cherry without having sex, especially today what with all the sports, etc...

/The 1500s called, they want their Doctors back.
2013-10-12 01:20:35 PM
3 votes:

hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?


Its kind of like how Floria didn't have a law forbidding beastiality for the longest time, no one ever really needed to be told it was unacceptable.  This is the same sort thing, and surprise surprise the people who need this spelt out are recent immigrants from religiously fundamentalist backgrounds.
2013-10-12 04:31:24 PM
2 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: gblive: Fark_Guy_Rob: I really don't see an ethical issue.  Surely, when it comes to matters of the heart, people should be free to decide what considerations they care about....

There are lots of medical tests that are not 100% or that have false positives.  We don't stop doing them.  If my wife decides she'll leave me if I do heroin again, and I want to get tested to show her I'm clean, who is hurt by that?  If my wife thinks I've cheated on her and demands an STD test to show her I'm clean....and I'm willing to do it - who is to say I shouldn't?

I'm not saying I *agree* with those stances.  But I also believe people should be able to decide how to live their lives.  If you want to marry a virgin - cool.  If you want to marry a gangbang fanatic - cool.  But the government stepping in and telling doctors they can't meet a need, that hurts nobody, is ridiculous.

How about if you are a teenage girl in Quebec?  Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on you. If you you fail the test then you are promptly beaten to death by your male family members.  Have you been reading the recent press in Quebec?

Okay, I'm a teenage girl in Quebec.  Check.
Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on me?  Absolutely.  Having sex is, at least, as dangerous as using illegal recreational drugs and those are allowed.
Should we allow people to beat their daughter's to death?  Absolutely not.

But how is that any different from anything else that might prompt a parent beating a child to death?  Should we ban schools from giving grades?  What if a parent beats a child to death for failing out of school?

Beating someone to death is *already* illegal in Canada, is it not?  So we're going to pass another law, because we think people who will MURDER THEIR OWN CHILD, will not break *two* laws?


So in summary, passing laws or regulations that help prevent violence against women is not acceptable to you. We should simply allow the current situation to continue and read about the latest victim each week in the press.

"Sex is, at least, as dangerous as using illegal recreational drugs". No, it is not. Sex is legal first of all, and illegal recreational drugs are not allowed. Second of all, if there is a concern about the medical impact of sexual relations then perform a STD test as medical professional with the intent of providing treatment and not sharing the private medical results with other family members. Keep in mind that if the person is over the age of consent than the other family members have no right to know the result of a 'virginity test'.

There is also a huge insurance fraud need in the market. Should we stop telling doctors that they should not sign off on fake injury claims - after all they are just meeting a need in the market. It doesn't hurt nobody, eh... it's just money paid by big insurance companies.  Well at least it does not hurt anyone when comparing it to the violence toll from 'virginity tests'.
2013-10-12 01:50:47 PM
2 votes:
Shaheen Ashraf, from the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, said virginity tests are "archaic."

"We should be able to control our own bodies," she said. "No one else should have the right to even think (along) those lines."


/Hear hear!! Well said. Those old archaic "rules" are bullshiat, and only meant as another in a long line of tools to control / demean, and subjugate women and girls to the whims and desires of old school cavemen. Good for you Canada.
2013-10-12 01:43:40 PM
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?


In our defense, Quebec is barely part of Canada. They have a large number of exemptions to federal laws for "cultural reasons"
2013-10-12 01:11:52 PM
2 votes:
You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?
2013-10-12 12:33:12 PM
2 votes:
There's lots of ways to cheat those tests, especially if you're anal about it.
2013-10-13 03:53:00 PM
1 votes:

brantgoose: They do require virginity tests to attend ComicCon, but they are not intrusive.

They just ask you a couple or four questions.

1. Are you of sane mind and body?
2. Are you attending ComicCon of your own free will rather than acting under duress?
3. Do you admit that you are a virgin?
4. If no, do you still want to attend ComicCon?


You obviously have never been to the SDCC, largest one on the west coast. It brings milllions in tourist dollars to San Diego every year, so much that the local convention center is being expanded -again- just to keep them here.
I've been going since 1989, when they were just a few rooms in the old concourse. Plenty of sane people there, families by the thousands, and many whom I would not classify as perpetual virgins. Matter of fact, for some of these guys and girls this is the only time they get laid all year... some of the hotel parties I have been to would blow your farking mind. The girls get especially wild, being on vacation and all... what happens at comic-con stays at comic-con.

You should come visit sometime if you haven't already. You'd like it. Although it will have to be in 2015... 2014 sold out months ago.
/3d animator
//defense contractor
///have been getting in for free since 1990
2013-10-12 10:44:57 PM
1 votes:
If my white ass asked a girl for a virginity test, then the entire female population of my town would line up to cock-punch me.

How come the brown people get a free pass? Isn't the whole treating people differently based on their colour racism?
2013-10-12 09:49:30 PM
1 votes:

ginkor: Actually there is a legitimate medical reason for one kind a virginity test.  With healthier diets, some women today have penois-proof hymens.  So eventually they need to have it surgically busted.  Those that try to "force the issue" can hurt themselves and possibly have serious bleeding or even an infection.


None of the requests for "virginity tests" in Quebec are for health reasons. All are so families can take the female who fails the test out back and beat her to death.
2013-10-12 06:56:40 PM
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: I really don't see an ethical issue. [...] the government stepping in and telling doctors they can't meet a need, that hurts nobody, is ridiculous.


I understand your point of view. I think this is to stop Muslims who would force their daughters to get the test and beat them when they fail it.

Why would you want to test, anyway? If a lady IS a virgin, tells you she is and lost her hymen when doing sports, what are you going to do when the test comes back and she failed it?

What worth can there actually be in knowing this? It just further objectifies women that their virginal status can demanded like that
2013-10-12 05:17:48 PM
1 votes:
The amusing thing about this thread is the way that the leftish goobers who normally foam at the mouth about patriachy and keeping the government out of vaginas and other such foolishness are, now get this, advocating the spending of public funds for a procedure that merely isn't just elective, with absolutely no medical purpose, but also serves to enforce *actual misogyny*.

The cognitive dissonance of the apologists here is clearly evident.
2013-10-12 04:07:02 PM
1 votes:

gblive: Fark_Guy_Rob: I really don't see an ethical issue.  Surely, when it comes to matters of the heart, people should be free to decide what considerations they care about....

There are lots of medical tests that are not 100% or that have false positives.  We don't stop doing them.  If my wife decides she'll leave me if I do heroin again, and I want to get tested to show her I'm clean, who is hurt by that?  If my wife thinks I've cheated on her and demands an STD test to show her I'm clean....and I'm willing to do it - who is to say I shouldn't?

I'm not saying I *agree* with those stances.  But I also believe people should be able to decide how to live their lives.  If you want to marry a virgin - cool.  If you want to marry a gangbang fanatic - cool.  But the government stepping in and telling doctors they can't meet a need, that hurts nobody, is ridiculous.

How about if you are a teenage girl in Quebec?  Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on you. If you you fail the test then you are promptly beaten to death by your male family members.  Have you been reading the recent press in Quebec?


Okay, I'm a teenage girl in Quebec.  Check.
Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on me?  Absolutely.  Having sex is, at least, as dangerous as using illegal recreational drugs and those are allowed.
Should we allow people to beat their daughter's to death?  Absolutely not.

But how is that any different from anything else that might prompt a parent beating a child to death?  Should we ban schools from giving grades?  What if a parent beats a child to death for failing out of school?

Beating someone to death is *already* illegal in Canada, is it not?  So we're going to pass another law, because we think people who will MURDER THEIR OWN CHILD, will not break *two* laws?
2013-10-12 03:47:57 PM
1 votes:
The silent revolution was a little too silent it appears.
2013-10-12 03:26:57 PM
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: I really don't see an ethical issue.  Surely, when it comes to matters of the heart, people should be free to decide what considerations they care about....

There are lots of medical tests that are not 100% or that have false positives.  We don't stop doing them.  If my wife decides she'll leave me if I do heroin again, and I want to get tested to show her I'm clean, who is hurt by that?  If my wife thinks I've cheated on her and demands an STD test to show her I'm clean....and I'm willing to do it - who is to say I shouldn't?

I'm not saying I *agree* with those stances.  But I also believe people should be able to decide how to live their lives.  If you want to marry a virgin - cool.  If you want to marry a gangbang fanatic - cool.  But the government stepping in and telling doctors they can't meet a need, that hurts nobody, is ridiculous.


How about if you are a teenage girl in Quebec?  Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on you. If you you fail the test then you are promptly beaten to death by your male family members.  Have you been reading the recent press in Quebec?
2013-10-12 02:35:25 PM
1 votes:
Not the government, the Collège des médecins. And it's not like it is an epidemic as only 4 cases were reported. The Collège des médecins did its job correctly, they were informed of that some doctors were doing unethical tests, they told them to stop. I fail to see how this make Quebec a backward province. I wonder how many of these virginity tests are performed in the U.S. without anyone doing anything about it.
2013-10-12 02:06:50 PM
1 votes:
Looks like Quebec is protecting lying biatches.
2013-10-12 02:06:18 PM
1 votes:

jjorsett: Bit'O'Gristle: Shaheen Ashraf, from the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, said virginity tests are "archaic."

"We should be able to control our own bodies," she said. "No one else should have the right to even think (along) those lines."

/Hear hear!! Well said. Those old archaic "rules" are bullshiat, and only meant as another in a long line of tools to control / demean, and subjugate women and girls to the whims and desires of old school cavemen. Good for you Canada.

I didn't think Muslim men ever let non-relatives even see their women uncovered much less get anywhere near their  ladyparts.


/I think the whole point is to keep them covered, pregnant, uneducated, and submissive, to control them totally. Nice huh?
2013-10-12 02:04:38 PM
1 votes:
As a non-doctor, I smell a business opportunity.  There's nothing preventing me from performing virginity testing.
2013-10-12 01:56:00 PM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Shaheen Ashraf, from the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, said virginity tests are "archaic."

"We should be able to control our own bodies," she said. "No one else should have the right to even think (along) those lines."

/Hear hear!! Well said. Those old archaic "rules" are bullshiat, and only meant as another in a long line of tools to control / demean, and subjugate women and girls to the whims and desires of old school cavemen. Good for you Canada.


not sure if trolling or genuine

/Quebec is like Texas, big, bold, whiney, and a bit behind the times
//though the nice people there barely make up for the batshiat loonery
2013-10-12 01:48:43 PM
1 votes:

CSM101: hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?

In our defense, Quebec is barely part of Canada. They have a large number of exemptions to federal laws for "cultural reasons"


So was gonna say, "So it's your Arizona?"

Then I realized that it could apply to a number of our states that use that pretense to violate people's rights for a wide spectrum of reasons.

Then I got depressed.
 
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