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2013-10-12 12:33:12 PM  
There's lots of ways to cheat those tests, especially if you're anal about it.
 
2013-10-12 01:11:52 PM  
You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?
 
2013-10-12 01:20:35 PM  

hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?


Its kind of like how Floria didn't have a law forbidding beastiality for the longest time, no one ever really needed to be told it was unacceptable.  This is the same sort thing, and surprise surprise the people who need this spelt out are recent immigrants from religiously fundamentalist backgrounds.
 
2013-10-12 01:42:16 PM  

hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?


I'm Texan and I laughed so hard at this.  Thanks!!

/new keyboard and what not
 
2013-10-12 01:43:40 PM  

hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?


In our defense, Quebec is barely part of Canada. They have a large number of exemptions to federal laws for "cultural reasons"
 
2013-10-12 01:47:04 PM  

BumpInTheNight: There's lots of ways to cheat those tests, especially if you're anal about it.


*snerk*


and last I checked, I thought virginity tests were complete bullshiat?

/ahh, Quebec, you're an interesting province
 
2013-10-12 01:48:02 PM  
Reminds of years ago when I was an IT manager for a group of 8 clinics, we went to a presentation put on by the CDC concerning a certain female malady that causes the shame cave to be quite odoriferous.

The doctor from the CDC explained the easiest way to detect the possibility of an infection was to glove the hand, insert finger into the vagina, and then rub finger on the slide and smell the slide.  It is called the "whiff" test, and it would give off a distinct fish like odor.

One of our docs sitting with us says to the table "that is what you boys call stink finger".
 
2013-10-12 01:48:43 PM  

CSM101: hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?

In our defense, Quebec is barely part of Canada. They have a large number of exemptions to federal laws for "cultural reasons"


So was gonna say, "So it's your Arizona?"

Then I realized that it could apply to a number of our states that use that pretense to violate people's rights for a wide spectrum of reasons.

Then I got depressed.
 
2013-10-12 01:50:47 PM  
Shaheen Ashraf, from the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, said virginity tests are "archaic."

"We should be able to control our own bodies," she said. "No one else should have the right to even think (along) those lines."


/Hear hear!! Well said. Those old archaic "rules" are bullshiat, and only meant as another in a long line of tools to control / demean, and subjugate women and girls to the whims and desires of old school cavemen. Good for you Canada.
 
2013-10-12 01:50:55 PM  
I guess it's pass/fail.  No such thing as a gentleman's C.
 
2013-10-12 01:56:00 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Shaheen Ashraf, from the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, said virginity tests are "archaic."

"We should be able to control our own bodies," she said. "No one else should have the right to even think (along) those lines."

/Hear hear!! Well said. Those old archaic "rules" are bullshiat, and only meant as another in a long line of tools to control / demean, and subjugate women and girls to the whims and desires of old school cavemen. Good for you Canada.


not sure if trolling or genuine

/Quebec is like Texas, big, bold, whiney, and a bit behind the times
//though the nice people there barely make up for the batshiat loonery
 
2013-10-12 01:57:47 PM  

hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?


CSM101: hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?

In our defense, Quebec is barely part of Canada. They have a large number of exemptions to federal laws for "cultural reasons"


AS CSM101 points out, Quebec is barely a part of Canada. They've also have since gone "full retard" by electing the Bloc Quebecois over many, many issues that would take too long to get into.

I'm surprised that this isn't a test in my province, given that we've been in the news for the past 6 months over how we treat women. Nova Scotians seem to think underaged women who get raped deserve it, because they're slutty mcslutterson.
 
2013-10-12 01:59:13 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Shaheen Ashraf, from the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, said virginity tests are "archaic."

"We should be able to control our own bodies," she said. "No one else should have the right to even think (along) those lines."

/Hear hear!! Well said. Those old archaic "rules" are bullshiat, and only meant as another in a long line of tools to control / demean, and subjugate women and girls to the whims and desires of old school cavemen. Good for you Canada.


I didn't think Muslim men ever let non-relatives even see their women uncovered much less get anywhere near their  ladyparts.
 
2013-10-12 02:01:45 PM  
Boy, that country of Queebec sure is archaic.

/Next up: Farkers who think queebec is actually part of Canada.
//Sure they receive lots of Canada's tax money to stay attached and some of 'their' laws actually comply with Canada's laws.
///Yo Mr. business man!! Heres comes the French language police to rip down your sign that is not in French.

///Now how about them chastity belts the Christians still use...
 
2013-10-12 02:02:28 PM  
All cultures are equal.  Difficulty:  Michelle Bachmann once said that all cultures are not equal.
 
2013-10-12 02:04:16 PM  

BumpInTheNight: hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?

Its kind of like how Floria didn't have a law forbidding beastiality for the longest time, no one ever really needed to be told it was unacceptable ... the people who need this spelt out are recent immigrants from religiously fundamentalist backgrounds.


Southern Baptists  from the Panhandle are immigrants now?

/Floria?  Really?
//The reason it wasn't illegal was because 3/4 of the good ol boys were diddling their livestock and/or coon hounds
 
2013-10-12 02:04:23 PM  
Fail: they were performing the virginity test on guys.
 
2013-10-12 02:04:38 PM  
As a non-doctor, I smell a business opportunity.  There's nothing preventing me from performing virginity testing.
 
2013-10-12 02:06:18 PM  

jjorsett: Bit'O'Gristle: Shaheen Ashraf, from the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, said virginity tests are "archaic."

"We should be able to control our own bodies," she said. "No one else should have the right to even think (along) those lines."

/Hear hear!! Well said. Those old archaic "rules" are bullshiat, and only meant as another in a long line of tools to control / demean, and subjugate women and girls to the whims and desires of old school cavemen. Good for you Canada.

I didn't think Muslim men ever let non-relatives even see their women uncovered much less get anywhere near their  ladyparts.


/I think the whole point is to keep them covered, pregnant, uneducated, and submissive, to control them totally. Nice huh?
 
2013-10-12 02:06:50 PM  
Looks like Quebec is protecting lying biatches.
 
2013-10-12 02:07:43 PM  

CSM101: In our defense, Quebec is barely part of Canada. They have a large number of exemptions to federal laws for "cultural reasons"


I've visited Montreal a handful of times and each time, after a couple nights of excellent food and nightlife I'll think "damn, I could live here". Then eventually one morning I'm too lazy/hungover to leave the hotel room anytime soon, I'll read some articles on what local politicians and community leaders are up to and think "okay, maybe not".

Sure seems like a pervasive arrogance and perceived cultural superiority has some of the populace and government complaining and legislating against stupid sh*t.
 
2013-10-12 02:10:53 PM  

BumpInTheNight: There's lots of ways to cheat those tests, especially if you're anal about it.


Aaand we're done here. Last one out, hit the lights.
 
2013-10-12 02:15:41 PM  
Fruit flies...cherry...

/I'll just leave this slashie here
 
2013-10-12 02:33:18 PM  
Anyone catch Bob in the comments?


There is nothing wrong with having a virginity test if you (not your parents, not your church, not your school)if the girl or woman wants one. It has taken a long time for us to come around to the idea that a woman's body is her body and choices about it are her choice. If she wants a virginity test she should be able to have one and a doctor should be able to perform one IF THE GIRL OR WOMAN WANTS IT DONE. I'm npt convinced I should pay for it though. She should.


Look at the big brain on Bob

said nobody ever.
 
2013-10-12 02:34:04 PM  
Although this has likely come from the recent anti-Muzzie efforts in Quebec (NO RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS OR DRESS AT ALL SO WE TOTALLY AREN'T DISCRIMINATING but small crucifixes are still cool!!) it is definitely a plus for women's rights. Frankly I'm surprised this type of thing was allowed in Canada in the first place barring police investigations into molestation/incest/rape.

But seriously... the frenchies freaking HATE muslims. It's one of the few things I despise about Quebec. Otherwise it's like a whirlwind of awesome party sexytime with the coolest musical themetrack to keep you pumping through your debauched chaotic stupor.

Just get checked for STDs and stab wounds once you leave.
 
2013-10-12 02:34:12 PM  
I live in the tird world-province called Quebec. Don't believe me ? 
Go check every contest open worldwide, we get excluded even when Best Korea isn't...

Seems the cases were some isolated incidents... Doubtful, but as long as it's taken care of.
 
2013-10-12 02:35:25 PM  
Not the government, the Collège des médecins. And it's not like it is an epidemic as only 4 cases were reported. The Collège des médecins did its job correctly, they were informed of that some doctors were doing unethical tests, they told them to stop. I fail to see how this make Quebec a backward province. I wonder how many of these virginity tests are performed in the U.S. without anyone doing anything about it.
 
2013-10-12 02:45:37 PM  
Lots of ways for women to break that cherry without having sex, especially today what with all the sports, etc...

/The 1500s called, they want their Doctors back.
 
2013-10-12 02:50:22 PM  

theflatline: Reminds of years ago when I was an IT manager for a group of 8 clinics, we went to a presentation put on by the CDC concerning a certain female malady that causes the shame cave to be quite odoriferous.

The doctor from the CDC explained the easiest way to detect the possibility of an infection was to glove the hand, insert finger into the vagina, and then rub finger on the slide and smell the slide.  It is called the "whiff" test, and it would give off a distinct fish like odor.

One of our docs sitting with us says to the table "that is what you boys call stink finger".


Seems like a waste of a glove and a slide, if all they are going to do is smell it.
 
2013-10-12 02:58:15 PM  

Gleeman: Lots of ways for women to break that cherry without having sex, especially today what with all the sports, etc...

/The 1500s called, they want their Doctors back.


you sure it's not Texas?

/sorry, low hanging fruit and all that
 
2013-10-12 02:59:13 PM  
An alleged first world country is still doing this?
What the f*cking f*ck, Canadia?
 
2013-10-12 03:05:05 PM  
I really don't see an ethical issue.  Surely, when it comes to matters of the heart, people should be free to decide what considerations they care about....

There are lots of medical tests that are not 100% or that have false positives.  We don't stop doing them.  If my wife decides she'll leave me if I do heroin again, and I want to get tested to show her I'm clean, who is hurt by that?  If my wife thinks I've cheated on her and demands an STD test to show her I'm clean....and I'm willing to do it - who is to say I shouldn't?

I'm not saying I *agree* with those stances.  But I also believe people should be able to decide how to live their lives.  If you want to marry a virgin - cool.  If you want to marry a gangbang fanatic - cool.  But the government stepping in and telling doctors they can't meet a need, that hurts nobody, is ridiculous.
 
2013-10-12 03:07:26 PM  
There is a simple, non-intrusive virginity test. Just ask the patient the following questions :

!- Are you a Trekkie?
2- Do you spend more than eight hours a day playing games on the computer?
3-Do you listen to ABBA?
4- Would you rather read a science text book than seek contact from other human beings?
5- Do you wear thick glasses.

If the patient answers yes to three out of the five, they are a virgin and will remain a virgin for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-10-12 03:23:29 PM  

Gleeman: Lots of ways for women to break that cherry without having sex, especially today what with all the sports, etc...

/The 1500s called, they want their Doctors back.


Muslim girls in Quebec are not allowed to do any activities like sports.

This measure in Quebec is pushed by the government as part of recent anti-Muslim measures.  To be fair they do have a case with all the recent news stories about violence against girls who were not found to be virgins by male Muslim family members in the province. One way to avoid this violence problem is to strongly tell the doctors to not perform these tests.
 
2013-10-12 03:26:57 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I really don't see an ethical issue.  Surely, when it comes to matters of the heart, people should be free to decide what considerations they care about....

There are lots of medical tests that are not 100% or that have false positives.  We don't stop doing them.  If my wife decides she'll leave me if I do heroin again, and I want to get tested to show her I'm clean, who is hurt by that?  If my wife thinks I've cheated on her and demands an STD test to show her I'm clean....and I'm willing to do it - who is to say I shouldn't?

I'm not saying I *agree* with those stances.  But I also believe people should be able to decide how to live their lives.  If you want to marry a virgin - cool.  If you want to marry a gangbang fanatic - cool.  But the government stepping in and telling doctors they can't meet a need, that hurts nobody, is ridiculous.


How about if you are a teenage girl in Quebec?  Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on you. If you you fail the test then you are promptly beaten to death by your male family members.  Have you been reading the recent press in Quebec?
 
2013-10-12 03:32:15 PM  
I guess this means that Quebec is officially "out" of virgins. (rimshot)

The RCC is just not what it used to be before the Révolution tranquille.

Contrary to popular misconception, you don't need to pass a virginity test to become a nun. Just to quit the cloth. (rimshot)

Misconception is also a no-no. Or so I hear.

Thank you, thank you, tip your servers generously. I get a 5% kickback for saying that after every set.
 
2013-10-12 03:34:15 PM  
I'm guessing, but my first joke may have something to do with why more provinces and states don't do virgin tests in the 21st Century.
 
2013-10-12 03:37:08 PM  
They do require virginity tests to attend ComicCon, but they are not intrusive.

They just ask you a couple or four questions.

1. Are you of sane mind and body?
2. Are you attending ComicCon of your own free will rather than acting under duress?
3. Do you admit that you are a virgin?
4. If no, do you still want to attend ComicCon?
 
2013-10-12 03:37:58 PM  
You only have to answer one of he entry questions "yes" to attend ComicCon.
 
2013-10-12 03:40:42 PM  

phunkey_monkey: There is a simple, non-intrusive virginity test. Just ask the patient the following questions :

!- Are you a Trekkie?
2- Do you spend more than eight hours a day playing games on the computer?
3-Do you listen to ABBA?
4- Would you rather read a science text book than seek contact from other human beings?
5- Do you wear thick glasses.

If the patient answers yes to three out of the five, they are a virgin and will remain a virgin for the rest of their lives.


Your test is faulty. Three times out of ten it gives a false positive if the testees are gay.

Huh, huh, huh, he said testees.
 
2013-10-12 03:42:48 PM  

rewind2846: An alleged first world country is still doing this?
What the f*cking f*ck, Canadia?


Oh, stop acting so surprised. Pat Robertson's not Canadian.

Besides, Canadian bureaucrats are so politically correct they avoid offending the bad guys. Well, apart from Cabinet Ministers.
 
2013-10-12 03:47:57 PM  
The silent revolution was a little too silent it appears.
 
2013-10-12 04:07:02 PM  

gblive: Fark_Guy_Rob: I really don't see an ethical issue.  Surely, when it comes to matters of the heart, people should be free to decide what considerations they care about....

There are lots of medical tests that are not 100% or that have false positives.  We don't stop doing them.  If my wife decides she'll leave me if I do heroin again, and I want to get tested to show her I'm clean, who is hurt by that?  If my wife thinks I've cheated on her and demands an STD test to show her I'm clean....and I'm willing to do it - who is to say I shouldn't?

I'm not saying I *agree* with those stances.  But I also believe people should be able to decide how to live their lives.  If you want to marry a virgin - cool.  If you want to marry a gangbang fanatic - cool.  But the government stepping in and telling doctors they can't meet a need, that hurts nobody, is ridiculous.

How about if you are a teenage girl in Quebec?  Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on you. If you you fail the test then you are promptly beaten to death by your male family members.  Have you been reading the recent press in Quebec?


Okay, I'm a teenage girl in Quebec.  Check.
Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on me?  Absolutely.  Having sex is, at least, as dangerous as using illegal recreational drugs and those are allowed.
Should we allow people to beat their daughter's to death?  Absolutely not.

But how is that any different from anything else that might prompt a parent beating a child to death?  Should we ban schools from giving grades?  What if a parent beats a child to death for failing out of school?

Beating someone to death is *already* illegal in Canada, is it not?  So we're going to pass another law, because we think people who will MURDER THEIR OWN CHILD, will not break *two* laws?
 
2013-10-12 04:26:53 PM  

Killer Cars: CSM101: In our defense, Quebec is barely part of Canada. They have a large number of exemptions to federal laws for "cultural reasons"

I've visited Montreal a handful of times and each time, after a couple nights of excellent food and nightlife I'll think "damn, I could live here". Then eventually one morning I'm too lazy/hungover to leave the hotel room anytime soon, I'll read some articles on what local politicians and community leaders are up to and think "okay, maybe not".

Sure seems like a pervasive arrogance and perceived cultural superiority has some of the populace and government complaining and legislating against stupid sh*t.


Yeah.  it makes me wish Schwartz's deli was In some other part of canada
 
2013-10-12 04:31:24 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: gblive: Fark_Guy_Rob: I really don't see an ethical issue.  Surely, when it comes to matters of the heart, people should be free to decide what considerations they care about....

There are lots of medical tests that are not 100% or that have false positives.  We don't stop doing them.  If my wife decides she'll leave me if I do heroin again, and I want to get tested to show her I'm clean, who is hurt by that?  If my wife thinks I've cheated on her and demands an STD test to show her I'm clean....and I'm willing to do it - who is to say I shouldn't?

I'm not saying I *agree* with those stances.  But I also believe people should be able to decide how to live their lives.  If you want to marry a virgin - cool.  If you want to marry a gangbang fanatic - cool.  But the government stepping in and telling doctors they can't meet a need, that hurts nobody, is ridiculous.

How about if you are a teenage girl in Quebec?  Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on you. If you you fail the test then you are promptly beaten to death by your male family members.  Have you been reading the recent press in Quebec?

Okay, I'm a teenage girl in Quebec.  Check.
Should we allow doctor's to perform a virginity test on me?  Absolutely.  Having sex is, at least, as dangerous as using illegal recreational drugs and those are allowed.
Should we allow people to beat their daughter's to death?  Absolutely not.

But how is that any different from anything else that might prompt a parent beating a child to death?  Should we ban schools from giving grades?  What if a parent beats a child to death for failing out of school?

Beating someone to death is *already* illegal in Canada, is it not?  So we're going to pass another law, because we think people who will MURDER THEIR OWN CHILD, will not break *two* laws?


So in summary, passing laws or regulations that help prevent violence against women is not acceptable to you. We should simply allow the current situation to continue and read about the latest victim each week in the press.

"Sex is, at least, as dangerous as using illegal recreational drugs". No, it is not. Sex is legal first of all, and illegal recreational drugs are not allowed. Second of all, if there is a concern about the medical impact of sexual relations then perform a STD test as medical professional with the intent of providing treatment and not sharing the private medical results with other family members. Keep in mind that if the person is over the age of consent than the other family members have no right to know the result of a 'virginity test'.

There is also a huge insurance fraud need in the market. Should we stop telling doctors that they should not sign off on fake injury claims - after all they are just meeting a need in the market. It doesn't hurt nobody, eh... it's just money paid by big insurance companies.  Well at least it does not hurt anyone when comparing it to the violence toll from 'virginity tests'.
 
2013-10-12 05:17:48 PM  
The amusing thing about this thread is the way that the leftish goobers who normally foam at the mouth about patriachy and keeping the government out of vaginas and other such foolishness are, now get this, advocating the spending of public funds for a procedure that merely isn't just elective, with absolutely no medical purpose, but also serves to enforce *actual misogyny*.

The cognitive dissonance of the apologists here is clearly evident.
 
2013-10-12 05:21:00 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: CSM101: hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?

In our defense, Quebec is barely part of Canada. They have a large number of exemptions to federal laws for "cultural reasons"

So was gonna say, "So it's your Arizona?"

Then I realized that it could apply to a number of our states that use that pretense to violate people's rights for a wide spectrum of reasons.

Then I got depressed.


Except in Canada we don't use the law to violate people's rights.  We hyper-extend rights to different cultures to make sure we don't hurt their feelings.  It's part of your culture to murder your daughter because she held hands with a boy without the benefit of marriage?  Then that's OK if it's your culture.
 
2013-10-12 05:31:53 PM  

hardinparamedic: You know, I would expect this out of a third world, Sharia law following country like Saudi Arabia or Texas.

But out of Canada?


If you read the article, you'd see that the tests are only being requested by people from third world Sharia countries.
 
2013-10-12 05:35:17 PM  
Came hoping for "hot dog down the hall" gif.

Left disappointed...
 
2013-10-12 06:24:19 PM  
Quebec trying to catch-up to the GOP controlled states hey Governor Vagina Probe.
 
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