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(KHOU Houston)   Believe it or not, some people in Texas are opposed to spending $69-million in tax dollars to build a new high school football stadium   (khou.com) divider line 97
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2013-10-12 11:04:02 AM  
It could be worse. Daryl Katz could be involved.
 
2013-10-12 11:05:10 AM  
Spending that kind of money on a high school stadium is no more stupid than spending it on a professional stadium.  Both are signs of gross stupidity.

This shiat always seems to come up in assorted cities here in CA.  I remember voting no on some bill in San Jose back in the 80s or 90s when they wanted folks to foot the bill for a stadium.  Right now Sacramento is one of the cities thinking taxpayers should foot the bill for a basketball stadium. fark that.  The only people that should be paying for the stadiums are the users, through ticket/parking/food prices.
 
2013-10-12 11:12:11 AM  
They want a top notch stadium to help attract top notch players. That's true even in high school, where supposedly kids just go to the school closest to where they live.

The ag center and science and technology center wouldn't have a chance if the new stadium wasn't on the ballot too.

Either way, the kids in Katy aren't suffering. That's the rich Houston suburb part of Texas. They can afford $70 million dollar boondoggles.
 
2013-10-12 11:12:16 AM  

AmericanEagle: johnnieconnie: I'd like to see some Texans opposed to funding a new football stadium...do those people exist?


Yes, they do.


What he said.
 
2013-10-12 11:12:50 AM  
Shared by 7 schools?! This is Texas, where Every High-school has its own stadium... These people are behind the times and making the rest of us look bad... They need more than 2 stadiums IMHO...
 
2013-10-12 11:12:58 AM  

Krieghund: $70 million dollar


dollar dollar bill, y'all.
 
2013-10-12 11:15:44 AM  
Notice how they want to include a new agricultural complex and a science and technology center in the deal.  See which gets finished first.
 
2013-10-12 11:17:25 AM  

wingnut396: Coolfusis: Not like they're paying much to maintain an astroturf field with a few hundred band kids that are required to clean it after the game.

The band has to clean up after the game?


Apparently. We were going to stay and see her after, but she said they had to clean up, and they wouldn't leave for a few hours.
 
2013-10-12 11:21:52 AM  
Defund Acorn. Now they can afford 2.
 
2013-10-12 11:23:47 AM  

number_man: 1) if you don't live in Texas or have ever lived in Texas, you literally have no idea what High School Football means to their communities. I used to live in Western PA before living here and I thought fans were rabid out there; they've got nothing on Texas.

1a) football is not bad

2) the expansion is necessary not only to accommodate the 8th (and potentially more) high schools in the district, but to accommodate other things that will make money for the district.

2a) the benefit goes beyond football to band, CG, etc.

3) $99 MM really isn't that much money for a bond in a district the size of KISD and it's not for one school or one purpose. There's already a technology center (read -- Vo-Tech and a kick-ass culinary program), and the STEM center will add to the ability of the district to focus education for the kids. And for the AG center, we need it -- our rodeo arena, like our football stadium, is too small.

4) I'll vote for it -- it's a benefit for all the kids and I'm not afraid to pay for it.

4a) If you don't like it, move here and vote against it.


I thought Katy's thing was baseball

I think ya'll are working on filling every texas sports fanatic myth

Also, why the hell are there so many damn cowboys fans down there
 
2013-10-12 11:24:34 AM  
If foodball is a religion in texas, let 'em pass that hat to pay for their 'churches', don't ask the taxpayer to fund your antisocial foodball teams.

Hell, in Texas they start telling 'em they are special in Peewee Football, no wonder they need a multi-million dollar stadium to feel special in High School - and then off to the Pre-Majors [AKA College] where they have to play in a 200 million plus before they graduate to the majors and get to play in a half billion to a billion dollar 'office'.

And somehow, there are people who think this makes sense.
 
2013-10-12 11:34:37 AM  

jpo2269: It is my understanding that Katy High School threatened to move to Sugarland, TX if a new stadium wasn't built.


Could be a good thing?
 
2013-10-12 11:40:42 AM  
Chrissakes. It's HIGH SCHOOL football! Lay down some sod, put up some scaffolding style bench bleachers and STFU! It's not like people are gonna get freaking snowed on and even still I thought that was part of the damned sport.

These nice young fellows have some insights for these people... NSFW Swear Werds
 
2013-10-12 11:42:32 AM  
assets.sbnation.com

Because, Texas
 
2013-10-12 11:46:06 AM  
When I lived in Wichita Falls TX, they used a city of 100,000 to feed talent to only one high school; They were on 2 shifts a day and talking 3 shifts when the State Athletic Board made them knock it off and build two additional high schools.

They built a $50 million stadium which put my U*niversity's stadium to shame, yet I went to the flagship U of one of the smaller States.

Texans are flatass crazy over high school football.
 
2013-10-12 11:47:10 AM  

Creoena: $69 million football stadium?  For high school?  How about, you know, using it on educating kids?

Just a thought.


 The total is $99 million.  The other $30 is going to educational stuff...and frankly, if I were in Texas, I'd be shocked that even got almost a third.
 
2013-10-12 11:49:02 AM  
I moved to the Katy area in 1983.  Just moved away this summer.  The district has grown like you wouldn't believe, and 90% of the growth has been upper to middle class homeowners.  Add a nice mall to the tax base and the school district has needed to grow and has done so.

The last head of the KISD was a bit of a monarch, lavishing most of the love on one particular school that really is a showpiece.  So, there's some friction.

That said, I've been to the existing stadium during popular games, and the 15K seats are more than filled, and it's just plain nuts.  Plus, the stadium has been there for at least what, 20 years?  I finished off high school in the school district to the east and their stadium I graduated from in the 70s was upgraded recently while the Katy stadium hasn't (except for new astroturf)

So, there's a need, but does it need the high price tag?  Well, Katy can afford it.  It just pisses people off after seeing their kids graduate and have to pay higher local taxes.
 
2013-10-12 12:09:25 PM  

SVenus: So, there's a need, but does it need the high price tag? Well, Katy can afford it. It just pisses people off after seeing their kids graduate and have to pay higher local taxes.


The current residents with kids in will biatch about the taxes as well.

I just don't want any more development along my current route to work.  :0

They REALLY need to widen the surrounding roads and improve the intersections for this crap.
 
2013-10-12 12:15:49 PM  

Creoena: $69 million football stadium?  For high school?  How about, you know, using it on educating kids?

Just a thought.


This is 'Muricah!
 
2013-10-12 12:26:07 PM  

johnnieconnie: I'd like to see some Texans opposed to funding a new football stadium...do those people exist?


Right here.
 
2013-10-12 12:26:12 PM  

T-Servo: I wonder if the guy who said the debt can be managed also complains about Obama spending too much.


Obama doesn't spend a dime. The House originates all spending, so if ou have a spending issue, see them.

All the Senate and President can really do is what they've done - shut down government because they didn't like the bills the House approved.
 
2013-10-12 12:28:35 PM  

number_man: r1niceboy: You need a parking lot, a grass of turf field, bleachers to hold 15k, lights, media center, and changing rooms. You could do all that for considerably less. In England Colchester United built a stadium holding 10k, with expansion room to double, for barely $20 million. They had to figure in land costs in a built up area, too. This whole venture proposed in Katy sounds like a kickback boondoggle, it'll end up with several contractors, school officials, local politicians, all being able to splash out on Olympic sized swimming pools and new tits for both the wife and mistress.

Katy ISD already owns the land...one of the reasons they chose that spot. And the city has already been expanding traffic access.

No doubt it's probably an overstated dollar value because every project estimator I know is prone to act like they're on acid, but I'm not thinking anybody is walking away with a new set of hooters or a sweet pool with this.


So the same people that place street values on police drug busts are the same people that place dollar values on stadia construction? I bet you could build a similar stadium for a fifth of the cost. It wouldn't be state of the art, but would be more than good enough for the need.
 
2013-10-12 12:44:47 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: SVenus: So, there's a need, but does it need the high price tag? Well, Katy can afford it. It just pisses people off after seeing their kids graduate and have to pay higher local taxes.

The current residents with kids in will biatch about the taxes as well.

I just don't want any more development along my current route to work.  :0

They REALLY need to widen the surrounding roads and improve the intersections for this crap.


The short road from the new Highway 99 ought to suffice.
 
2013-10-12 12:58:42 PM  

devilskware: Satanic_Hamster: CSB:
I drive down Katy Ft.-Bend road all the time, one of the main routes for me into work.

CSB: I know a girl named Katy and I live in Fort Bend County.


I let loose some fart bandwidth and it sounded like "kaaaaa-te"
 
2013-10-12 01:05:48 PM  
I loved growing up in Austin, before every douchebag in L.A. decided to move here.......but Texas is really a travesty. Pretty awful people for the most part.
 
2013-10-12 01:06:39 PM  

bearcats1983: groppet: I remember the stink my school got in when they got lights for the field for $500k. If they had asked for $69 mil they would have been laughed out of the county.

Funny thing they only got to use the lights once when I went there because they promoted the hell out of the first game under the lights and the place was packed. Somehow a mini riot started and some guy got hit in the face with a 2X4. After that all night games cancelled until further notice. They started having them again after I graduated.

How does a game under the lights escalate to being pummeled with a 2x4?


Beats me. It was just a knee jerk reaction by the school and county probably. I guess they figured night games = danger!!!
 
2013-10-12 01:26:13 PM  

Creoena: $69 million football stadium?  For high school?  How about, you know, using it on educating kids?

Just a thought.


In Texas, iffn' they know's Jeeeeeeeeezus, they's got eefuf edekashun.
 
2013-10-12 01:30:26 PM  

jayphat: r1niceboy: school officials, local politicians, all being able to splash out on Olympic sized swimming pools and new tits for both the wife and mistress.

To be fair, the mistress is an A cup and could really use them.


She became a mistress with an A-cup? How? Oh - she's 14. Now I get it.
 
2013-10-12 01:31:12 PM  

SVenus: Satanic_Hamster: SVenus: So, there's a need, but does it need the high price tag? Well, Katy can afford it. It just pisses people off after seeing their kids graduate and have to pay higher local taxes.

The current residents with kids in will biatch about the taxes as well.

I just don't want any more development along my current route to work.  :0

They REALLY need to widen the surrounding roads and improve the intersections for this crap.

The short road from the new Highway 99 ought to suffice.


The new bit's going to be a toll road.
 
2013-10-12 01:38:10 PM  

bikerwalla: Thousands of people don't show up dressed in the high school's colors on Friday night to watch some kids take a chemistry test. Sad to say, this is what brings the hometown pride.


Having just watched the Frontline show about Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) in NFL football players (this kind of brain damage is usually seen only in the elderly, but it's been seen in an 18-yr-old HS football player who committed suicide), as well as the episode called "Football High", about how some HS football programs are now on par with some college programs, as far as spending, recruiting (yes, recruiting for HIGH SCHOOL), etc.

We're going to end up with a generation of men who have dementia, CTE, Alzheimer's, etc., as the result of repeated brain injuries incurred while playing football, and taxpayers will foot the bill for their care!

I played one year when I was 10 and was knocked out twice.  The scary part is that the 18-yr-old (and a 21-yr-old) who committed suicide has NO recorded instance of a concussion!   Some researchers fear that the cumulative effects of sub-concussive injuries might cause these diseases/conditions, and we really have no way of measuring just how hard those little brains in Pee-Wee football players are being bounced around inside their skulls.

Do a Google search on "Junior Seau" to read how his life spiraled out of control at the end, and how his brain showed significant damage.  Recently, the NFL payed $745M into a fund for player care, so at least they've tacitly admitted that football harms players; their lawyers will NEVER allow the NFL to admit that playing football causes harm.  It's too big of a business to admit that simply playing causes harm.  They were being compared to Big Tobacco in their absolute denial of harm caused by playing, so they gave in and paid the $745M to try to calm things down.

Maybe kids do poorly in HS because of the damage they've incurred playing in Pee-Wee leagues and Jr. High.  Scary stuff.
 
2013-10-12 01:46:25 PM  

Lifeless: SVenus: Satanic_Hamster: SVenus: So, there's a need, but does it need the high price tag? Well, Katy can afford it. It just pisses people off after seeing their kids graduate and have to pay higher local taxes.

The current residents with kids in will biatch about the taxes as well.

I just don't want any more development along my current route to work.  :0

They REALLY need to widen the surrounding roads and improve the intersections for this crap.

The short road from the new Highway 99 ought to suffice.

The new bit's going to be a toll road.


A small price to pay for easy access.

You have to remember that the football coaches in this school district command higher salaries than 99% of the teachers in the state.
 
2013-10-12 01:49:42 PM  
WAY too much money.
The contractor and crew can retire on what he's skimming off the top.
 
2013-10-12 01:52:06 PM  

SVenus: Lifeless: SVenus: Satanic_Hamster: SVenus: So, there's a need, but does it need the high price tag? Well, Katy can afford it. It just pisses people off after seeing their kids graduate and have to pay higher local taxes.

The current residents with kids in will biatch about the taxes as well.

I just don't want any more development along my current route to work.  :0

They REALLY need to widen the surrounding roads and improve the intersections for this crap.

The short road from the new Highway 99 ought to suffice.

The new bit's going to be a toll road.

A small price to pay for easy access.

You have to remember that the football coaches in this school district command higher salaries than 99% of the teachers in the state.


Sure, but coaches aren't the only ones going to the game or using those bits of road on a friday evening, and Franz is already getting crowded near the KFB intersection. If they wanted it to be accessible, they'd put it on or adjacent to Cinco Ranch HS, which has more or less its own exit on the free part of 99.
 
2013-10-12 02:10:51 PM  

2wolves: Too small?


Oh right. Silly me.
 
2013-10-12 02:19:17 PM  

Creoena: $69 million football stadium?  For high school?  How about, you know, using it on educating kids?

Just a thought.


It teaches some kids to dodge mortar fire and bullets, isn't  that what Texas schools are for?
 
2013-10-12 02:24:21 PM  

SVenus: Lifeless: SVenus: Satanic_Hamster: SVenus: So, there's a need, but does it need the high price tag? Well, Katy can afford it. It just pisses people off after seeing their kids graduate and have to pay higher local taxes.

The current residents with kids in will biatch about the taxes as well.

I just don't want any more development along my current route to work.  :0

They REALLY need to widen the surrounding roads and improve the intersections for this crap.

The short road from the new Highway 99 ought to suffice.

The new bit's going to be a toll road.

A small price to pay for easy access.

You have to remember that the football coaches in this school district command higher salaries than 99% of the teachers in the state.


fark that easy access.  I'm just talking about driving THROUGH that area, even ignoring the extra traffic from this.  Those areas are just old farm-to-market roads with a lot of four way stop intersections, two lane only.  The 99 extension is insufficient.
 
2013-10-12 02:51:44 PM  
LOL! Thats actually less expensive than what Cypress Fairbanks ISD opened up in May 2006, the Berry Center, for $84 million dollars.  http://www.cfisd.net/bond/esc.htm#gen
 
2013-10-12 03:05:34 PM  

TxKicker: LOL! Thats actually less expensive than what Cypress Fairbanks ISD opened up in May 2006, the Berry Center, for $84 million dollars.  http://www.cfisd.net/bond/esc.htm#gen


I suspect the berry center will pay itself off, the thing gets used a lot for events. Not to mention 2nd Baptist rents it out as a campus on sundays
 
2013-10-12 03:11:09 PM  
Not big enough?
 
2013-10-12 03:22:53 PM  
"Playing football at a $69 million stadium in Katy, TX may have been the opportunity of your lifetime, but I don't want your life!"
www.dvdizzy.com

I do, however, want Ali Larter in a whipped cream bikini.
 
2013-10-12 03:31:43 PM  
All the negative posters need to RTFA. 7 High schools share one stadium, it also will include a data/technology area, an agriculture area, and of course a band/instrument wing, along with obvious athletic areas. Don't see a problem with this....
 
2013-10-12 03:56:00 PM  
America... the only country on earth that calls a national health service too socialist whilst government controlled entities spend billions of dollars annually on socialized sports.
 
2013-10-12 04:45:24 PM  

bikerwalla: Creoena: $69 million football stadium?  For high school?  How about, you know, using it on educating kids?

Just a thought.

Thousands of people don't show up dressed in the high school's colors on Friday night to watch some kids take a chemistry test. Sad to say, this is what brings the hometown pride.


I'm sure "hometown pride" will provide good paying middle class careers.  Lots of middle aged losers with delusions of high school football dreams.  Lots of non-athletic geeks in the IPO multi-millionaire crowd.

Sound investment.
 
2013-10-12 04:53:08 PM  

MFAWG: I like the rode hard and put up wet look she's going with in 'Nashville';


WORD UP.

/The wife loves her, too
 
2013-10-12 05:20:28 PM  

wingnut396: Coolfusis: Not like they're paying much to maintain an astroturf field with a few hundred band kids that are required to clean it after the game.

The band has to clean up after the game?


I was in band in my freshman year (I came to my senses after that).  If they had told me to clean the field, I would have told them to kiss my ass.
 
2013-10-12 05:21:10 PM  
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$13,000,000 in 1990. We made the coal power plant that lies within city limits and owned by Tucson Electric Power pay for it. They sued and lost, and we got the stadium. The maintenance on it keeps our sales tax at 10.1%.

'Murka.
 
2013-10-12 06:30:07 PM  

r1niceboy: number_man: r1niceboy: You need a parking lot, a grass of turf field, bleachers to hold 15k, lights, media center, and changing rooms. You could do all that for considerably less. In England Colchester United built a stadium holding 10k, with expansion room to double, for barely $20 million. They had to figure in land costs in a built up area, too. This whole venture proposed in Katy sounds like a kickback boondoggle, it'll end up with several contractors, school officials, local politicians, all being able to splash out on Olympic sized swimming pools and new tits for both the wife and mistress.

Katy ISD already owns the land...one of the reasons they chose that spot. And the city has already been expanding traffic access.

No doubt it's probably an overstated dollar value because every project estimator I know is prone to act like they're on acid, but I'm not thinking anybody is walking away with a new set of hooters or a sweet pool with this.

So the same people that place street values on police drug busts are the same people that place dollar values on stadia construction? I bet you could build a similar stadium for a fifth of the cost. It wouldn't be state of the art, but would be more than good enough for the need.


Ultimately it's up to the taxpayers -- that's the nice thing. If it's wanted, it will happen, if not, it won't.

Pretty sure that's the way it should be.
 
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