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2013-10-12 03:48:15 AM  
6 votes:
Violence, gore and death = wholesome family entertainment
The human body intact but short on clothing = mass hysteria
2013-10-12 03:06:17 AM  
4 votes:
The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.
2013-10-12 12:47:09 PM  
2 votes:
"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."

Things were very different in the past.

/see what I did there?
Ant
2013-10-12 12:11:38 PM  
2 votes:

ramblinwreck: No one tolerates rape and it sure as hell isn't encouraged or ignored


Except when it's done by football players in Steubenville, Ohio. "Oh no! Those poor boys' lives are ruined!"
2013-10-12 07:52:45 AM  
2 votes:
This is the same argument as "music sucks today, it was so much better before"

Whatever Scalia thinks society SHOULD be like, I assure you, people 70 years older than HIM would disagree.


The times they are a-changin'
2013-10-12 05:28:17 AM  
2 votes:
Things are better these days, aside from crazy people shutting down the government and trying to turn back women's rights by a few centuries.
2013-10-12 02:58:15 AM  
2 votes:
"One of the things that upsets me about modern society is the coarseness of manners. You can't go to a movie-or watch a television show for that matter-without hearing the constant use of the F-word-including, you know, ladies using it.... My goodness!"

Fetch Scalia's fainting couch. Of course he's admitted he's immersed himself in the right-wing echo chamber (only reads the Washington Times and the WSJ) so it's not surprising he sees moral decay and social boogeymen behind every tree.
2013-10-12 01:16:16 PM  
1 vote:

Desmo: "By virtually every measure, we're a safer, nicer, kinder country."

No.

We're surrounded by more self-centered, inept, narcissistic, assholes than ever before.


But enough about congress..
2013-10-12 12:17:12 PM  
1 vote:

profplump: robohobo: I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years

By a static, 35-year-old definition of "coarse" it probably is. But that doesn't mean anything.

For example, I think it's rude to interrupt an in-person conversation to answer the phone. My grandmother thinks it's rude not to (but somehow also thinks call waiting is rude; apparently only the first caller gets interruption rights). From my point of view her old-fashion behavior is "coarser" than mine.

But it's silly to argue about such things because there's no absolute scale. Occasionally our expectations of others are based on actual moral precepts (e.g. no killing), but mostly it's just about expecting people to match the sort of behavior you learned when you were young. Deviations from your expectations are seen as "coarse" even if you don't have any particular value or moral to support your expectation, and the people you think are "coarse" may well be making the same judgement about you.


THIS. I just had to have an argument about this with my girlfriend last night. I sent her 28-year-old daughter a link to a (raunchy) comedy show I REALLY thought she'd like/identify with. Oh boy, did I catch some shiat.

1) Daughter was fine with it.
2) She's almost 30, c'mon.
3) I was just trying to be friendly. The important factor is INTENT, not style or content.
4) I was raised European-style: Anything goes, we don't automatically assume everyone is out to hurt us, and if so, that's THEIR problem.

Girlfriend apologized. :)

// Miley Cyrus is disgusting because she's INTENDING to be disgusting. To paraphrase a song, "there's no sex in her violence".
2013-10-12 12:02:35 PM  
1 vote:
Hate to break it to people, but your grandmother was giving handies in that old Chevy on the top of hookup hill.

People wrongly assume the past was so much more pure than the present.  It wasn't.  It was actually even worse.

Hollywood isn't history.  Married people don't sleep in twin beds and never have sex.  Well, at least newly married, attractive people.
Ant
2013-10-12 11:53:54 AM  
1 vote:

kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.


But, but, but nudity... and coarse language.... and masturbation... These are the things that really matter, not stuff that causes actual harm!

I was loading a truck one day with a bunch of old, broken cabinets I'd ripped out of my kitchen. This Christian Evangelist was going door-to-door, trying to get people to come to his church, and he stopped to talk to me while I worked. After some small talk about kitchen remodeling and the weather, he brought the conversation got around to what a bad place the world was becoming. I stopped him right there and said "No, it's not getting worse. The world as a whole is actually getting to be a much better place to live. We have fewer and less bloody wars, less racial tension. All the things that actually matter are getting better, for the most part."

His response: "You're an atheist, aren't you?"

I never even mentioned being an atheist, but somehow he knew.
2013-10-12 11:34:45 AM  
1 vote:

cryinoutloud: Yeah_Right: There have always been narcissists - but prior to the internet, they were generally referred to as 'that; uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, cousin, etc...' and generally ignored by their social circle before. Now they have the means to broadcast their narcissistic tendencies to a multitude of people - so it just seems like there are more of them.

I actually think there's more of them now. Our culture encourages it, and advertising has a much bigger effect on us than most of us realize. Because we're all "worth it" you know--we should all have everything we want, damn the consequences. We also encourage this idea today that everyone is special and unique and no matter what kind of person they are, they're still worthy of respect. Well, ya know--some people actually need to be smacked and told to have some goddamn respect for others.

I have a whole farking book about this subject in my head, so don't get me started.


Read Jean Twenge's book Generation Me, and you'll have a whole farking book about this subject on your bookshelf.
2013-10-12 11:01:17 AM  
1 vote:

Yeah_Right: There have always been narcissists - but prior to the internet, they were generally referred to as 'that; uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, cousin, etc...' and generally ignored by their social circle before. Now they have the means to broadcast their narcissistic tendencies to a multitude of people - so it just seems like there are more of them.


I actually think there's more of them now. Our culture encourages it, and advertising has a much bigger effect on us than most of us realize. Because we're all "worth it" you know--we should all have everything we want, damn the consequences. We also encourage this idea today that everyone is special and unique and no matter what kind of person they are, they're still worthy of respect. Well, ya know--some people actually need to be smacked and told to have some goddamn respect for others.

I have a whole farking book about this subject in my head, so don't get me started.
2013-10-12 09:33:11 AM  
1 vote:

shtychkn: While values and morals are unique to the individual. There are still social norms that we share.


Maybe where we're falling apart is on the individual level. It seems like more and more people are a lot more concerned that they not be "disrespected", and that they have to do something about it, when I think we used to just brush little indignities off. Now everybody has to have such high self-esteem and self-worth that we're supposed to "stand our ground" over every stupid slight that comes our way.

It's making us into a bunch of assholes. But hey, at least we all have high regard for ourselves.

/As my mother used to say, "It's not always about YOU."


DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Get Scalia his fainting couch.  Then explain to Annie Lennox why this
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is just a fancy dress version of
 [img.fark.net image 500x265]


I liked the fancy dress version much better.
2013-10-12 08:58:16 AM  
1 vote:
...and narcissism scores have skyrocketed, and clinical depression rates are being described by researchers as an epidemic, and America leads the world in prescription drug abuse, and scientific literacy and numeracy among students are dropping, and the TSA is hiring sex offenders to administer your pre-flight grope...

I can cherry-pick stuff too.
2013-10-12 08:16:27 AM  
1 vote:
Miley Cyrus is merely a distraction to stop you from noticing how bad your life sucks.
2013-10-12 08:08:30 AM  
1 vote:
Oh, I forgot. Look at this, the resemblance is uncanny.

A cow:

i4.mirror.co.uk

Miley Cyrus:

i248.photobucket.com

Amazing!
2013-10-12 07:58:11 AM  
1 vote:

Resident Muslim: We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents


Texas has abstinence-only education, and one of the highest (if not the highest) teen pregnancy rates in the country. So take your "morals" and blow it out your ass.
2013-10-12 05:43:48 AM  
1 vote:

robohobo: Alphax: Things are better these days, aside from crazy people shutting down the government and trying to turn back women's rights by a few centuries.

Also assholes who feel the need to dirty every thread with politics.


Were you implying that I'm one of those assholes?  My comment was less political than the Time Magazine link.
2013-10-12 05:23:46 AM  
1 vote:
I refuse to read TFA. Get off my screen, Miley Cyrus.
2013-10-12 05:13:51 AM  
1 vote:
Define 'better'.
2013-10-12 04:04:00 AM  
1 vote:
We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents
2013-10-12 03:59:12 AM  
1 vote:

robohobo: I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years


By a static, 35-year-old definition of "coarse" it probably is. But that doesn't mean anything.

For example, I think it's rude to interrupt an in-person conversation to answer the phone. My grandmother thinks it's rude not to (but somehow also thinks call waiting is rude; apparently only the first caller gets interruption rights). From my point of view her old-fashion behavior is "coarser" than mine.

But it's silly to argue about such things because there's no absolute scale. Occasionally our expectations of others are based on actual moral precepts (e.g. no killing), but mostly it's just about expecting people to match the sort of behavior you learned when you were young. Deviations from your expectations are seen as "coarse" even if you don't have any particular value or moral to support your expectation, and the people you think are "coarse" may well be making the same judgement about you.
2013-10-12 03:59:08 AM  
1 vote:

dai the flu: I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.


To be fair, the same'd be true if they replaced profanity with any other word or noise. Once you stop using words to communicate, it doesn't matter what sounds you make.
2013-10-12 03:52:54 AM  
1 vote:
I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.
2013-10-12 03:29:18 AM  
1 vote:
It's funny, I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years, but society is also way more pussified and offendable. Outrage this, I'm SO offended that..
2013-10-12 03:25:52 AM  
1 vote:
I fail to see what's spiffy about.....


www.faustoponce.com

Have I been Poe's Law-ed?
2013-10-12 03:23:51 AM  
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