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2013-10-12 02:58:15 AM  
"One of the things that upsets me about modern society is the coarseness of manners. You can't go to a movie-or watch a television show for that matter-without hearing the constant use of the F-word-including, you know, ladies using it.... My goodness!"

Fetch Scalia's fainting couch. Of course he's admitted he's immersed himself in the right-wing echo chamber (only reads the Washington Times and the WSJ) so it's not surprising he sees moral decay and social boogeymen behind every tree.
 
2013-10-12 03:06:17 AM  
The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.
 
2013-10-12 03:17:16 AM  

kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.


I do miss having thralls. What's the point of sailing across an ocean if you're not even taking monks prisoner?
 
2013-10-12 03:17:28 AM  

kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.


But there's WAAAAAY too damned much equality these days.
 
2013-10-12 03:23:51 AM  
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2013-10-12 03:25:43 AM  

kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.


Old white bro culture still shoving their rape culture all across Silicon Valley, college campuses and Brooklyn.
 
2013-10-12 03:25:52 AM  
I fail to see what's spiffy about.....


www.faustoponce.com

Have I been Poe's Law-ed?
 
2013-10-12 03:26:06 AM  
Who gives a fark about the f-word any more.

Fark.

fark fark fark.

Oh.
 
2013-10-12 03:27:14 AM  
Patton had a rather sour view of peace.
 
2013-10-12 03:29:18 AM  
It's funny, I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years, but society is also way more pussified and offendable. Outrage this, I'm SO offended that..
 
2013-10-12 03:48:15 AM  
Violence, gore and death = wholesome family entertainment
The human body intact but short on clothing = mass hysteria
 
2013-10-12 03:49:15 AM  
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2013-10-12 03:52:54 AM  
I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.
 
2013-10-12 03:56:39 AM  
No
 
2013-10-12 03:59:08 AM  

dai the flu: I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.


To be fair, the same'd be true if they replaced profanity with any other word or noise. Once you stop using words to communicate, it doesn't matter what sounds you make.
 
2013-10-12 03:59:12 AM  

robohobo: I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years


By a static, 35-year-old definition of "coarse" it probably is. But that doesn't mean anything.

For example, I think it's rude to interrupt an in-person conversation to answer the phone. My grandmother thinks it's rude not to (but somehow also thinks call waiting is rude; apparently only the first caller gets interruption rights). From my point of view her old-fashion behavior is "coarser" than mine.

But it's silly to argue about such things because there's no absolute scale. Occasionally our expectations of others are based on actual moral precepts (e.g. no killing), but mostly it's just about expecting people to match the sort of behavior you learned when you were young. Deviations from your expectations are seen as "coarse" even if you don't have any particular value or moral to support your expectation, and the people you think are "coarse" may well be making the same judgement about you.
 
2013-10-12 04:01:47 AM  
Sure.
 
2013-10-12 04:04:00 AM  
We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents
 
2013-10-12 04:04:25 AM  

profplump: robohobo: I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years

By a static, 35-year-old definition of "coarse" it probably is. But that doesn't mean anything.

For example, I think it's rude to interrupt an in-person conversation to answer the phone. My grandmother thinks it's rude not to (but somehow also thinks call waiting is rude; apparently only the first caller gets interruption rights). From my point of view her old-fashion behavior is "coarser" than mine.

But it's silly to argue about such things because there's no absolute scale. Occasionally our expectations of others are based on actual moral precepts (e.g. no killing), but mostly it's just about expecting people to match the sort of behavior you learned when you were young. Deviations from your expectations are seen as "coarse" even if you don't have any particular value or moral to support your expectation, and the people you think are "coarse" may well be making the same judgement about you.


While values and morals are unique to the individual. There are still social norms that we share.
 
2013-10-12 04:06:46 AM  
The only word that offends me is "literally." The same thing people say about cursing (you lose the message, they say) is how I feel about that word.
 
2013-10-12 04:25:59 AM  

generallyso: Violence, gore and death = wholesome family entertainment
The human body intact but short on clothing = mass hysteria


Guns and football for all!
 
2013-10-12 04:31:25 AM  

signaljammer: Patton had a rather sour view of peace.


But he had a great view of that truck!

/aisle seat, long legs
 
2013-10-12 04:32:08 AM  
When I first saw the Miley thing I thought:  "Wow how hot".  Then I saw her face and said:  "Whoa!  A girl she is not".
 
2013-10-12 04:41:59 AM  
People have always used course language, maybe more. Think the 50s was all squeaky clean and polite like on those old TV shows? Well go watch some blooper reels and outtakes from those very shows listen to how those actors really spoke. F bombs galore...
 
2013-10-12 04:56:12 AM  
You can't go to a movie-or watch a television show for that matter-without hearing the constant use of the F-word

Yeah, and in the 50s everyone used the n-word. Now they don't.

Our level of crudeness hasn't gotten worse, it has just shifted from one taboo field (sexuality) to another (race). Typically, when this happens in a system, it's usually a barometer of the level of repression, and dirty words are a reflection of that repression.
 
2013-10-12 05:07:22 AM  

Resident Muslim: We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...


Didn't read the article, did you?

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents


What, pray tell, are these "natural human emotions"?  I hear religious folks yammer about these, and when they get called on it, the best they can usually do is point to some Edenic vision that never existed.

Hopefully you can do better?
 
2013-10-12 05:13:51 AM  
Define 'better'.
 
2013-10-12 05:14:59 AM  
(My comment was directed at the headline and not PunGent)
 
2013-10-12 05:15:39 AM  
people.virginia.edu tag was off somewhere twerking, I guess.
 
2013-10-12 05:23:46 AM  
I refuse to read TFA. Get off my screen, Miley Cyrus.
 
2013-10-12 05:28:17 AM  
Things are better these days, aside from crazy people shutting down the government and trying to turn back women's rights by a few centuries.
 
2013-10-12 05:30:18 AM  

PunGent: Resident Muslim: We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...

Didn't read the article, did you?

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents

What, pray tell, are these "natural human emotions"?  I hear religious folks yammer about these, and when they get called on it, the best they can usually do is point to some Edenic vision that never existed.

Hopefully you can do better?


Jealousy for one?
How many times have we heard that being jealous is not civilized, that it is primal, and that we should let it go?
Then you read all of these articles and letters for advice talking about SO's meeting with past flames that are now "just friends".

I get a feeling this is either a very sensitive subject for you or you have issues with "religious folks".
Not sure which.

I'd be more than happy to hear your viewpoint and would digress with all respect should you care to discuss.
 
2013-10-12 05:30:37 AM  

Alphax: Things are better these days, aside from crazy people shutting down the government and trying to turn back women's rights by a few centuries.


Also assholes who feel the need to dirty every thread with politics.
 
2013-10-12 05:43:48 AM  

robohobo: Alphax: Things are better these days, aside from crazy people shutting down the government and trying to turn back women's rights by a few centuries.

Also assholes who feel the need to dirty every thread with politics.


Were you implying that I'm one of those assholes?  My comment was less political than the Time Magazine link.
 
2013-10-12 05:52:26 AM  

CowardlyLion: dai the flu: I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.

To be fair, the same'd be true if they replaced profanity with any other word or noise. Once you stop using words to communicate, it doesn't matter what sounds you make.


Excellent point. I think it's been slowly grinding my gears more and more over the years because it's consistently the F-bomb.
 
2013-10-12 06:06:24 AM  

robohobo: It's funny, I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years, but society is also way more pussified and offendable. Outrage this, I'm SO offended that..


You take that back.
 
2013-10-12 06:08:39 AM  

HooskerDoo: robohobo: It's funny, I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years, but society is also way more pussified and offendable. Outrage this, I'm SO offended that..

You take that back.


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/lol
 
2013-10-12 06:16:54 AM  
Scalia should be more concerned with whether those words were immoral to begin with. The "curse word" list is as arbitrary as it is utilized.
 
2013-10-12 06:27:15 AM  
Congrats America, you're at Europe in the 1930s level of prudishness when it comes to the human body.  Just a few more decades of progress to go!
 
2013-10-12 06:27:43 AM  

CowardlyLion: dai the flu: I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.

To be fair, the same'd be true if they replaced profanity with any other word or noise. Once you stop using words to communicate, it doesn't matter what sounds you make.


Carlin: replace the word "kill" with the word "fark" in old westerns.

"Now we got ya' sheriff, and we're gonna fark ya'. But we're gonna fark ya' *slow*"
 
2013-10-12 06:48:00 AM  

fusillade762: "One of the things that upsets me about modern society is the coarseness of manners. You can't go to a movie-or watch a television show for that matter-without hearing the constant use of the F-word-including, you know, ladies using it.... My goodness!"

Fetch Scalia's fainting couch. Of course he's admitted he's immersed himself in the right-wing echo chamber (only reads the Washington Times and the WSJ) so it's not surprising he sees moral decay and social boogeymen behind every tree.


Typical white male.
 
2013-10-12 06:48:01 AM  

Jill'sNipple: I refuse to read TFA. Get off my screen, Miley Cyrus.


It's actually someone much more offensive than Miley Cyrus.
 
2013-10-12 07:03:01 AM  
Get Scalia his fainting couch.  Then explain to Annie Lennox why this

blu.stb.s-msn.com

is just a fancy dress version of
 img.fark.net
 
2013-10-12 07:20:34 AM  
The author thinks Scalia's sub debate team grandiloquence is 'lapidary'?
 
2013-10-12 07:24:05 AM  

FarkinNortherner: The author thinks Scalia's sub debate team grandiloquence is 'lapidary'?


I was wondering about that.. looking up the word now, he's a gemcutter?

Even calling his words 'precise' doesn't seem to fit.
 
2013-10-12 07:34:49 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Congrats America, you're at Europe in the 1930s level of prudishness when it comes to the human body.  Just a few more decades of progress to go!


Yurp is a diverse place- northern Europe, maybe. Southern, and Catholic wimmen better cover their heads in 'church.'
 
2013-10-12 07:52:24 AM  
The parade of talent free, over hyped, ugly celebrities like Madonna, Kim Kardashian and Mikey Cyrus is hardly the reason that violent crime has gone down because CAUSATION \=\ CORRELATION which the writer doesn't seem to understand. If anything give the credit to GTA V which made $250,000,000 in its first weekend and gave all the little psychopaths the ability to go out and shoot hookers in their tits in Los Santos. We could have a genteel society with capable musicians and beautiful and accomplished actors but the double digit IQs don't want that. They want rappers and soap operas masquerading as reality TV so people can watch and say, "I may be a fat ugly stupid slut but Honey Boo Boo's ma is fatter and uglier and Kim Kardashian is fatter and sluttier. Nobody's never pissed on me least wise not on video."
 
2013-10-12 07:52:37 AM  
Crazy gringos and their fear of bobbies
 
2013-10-12 07:52:45 AM  
This is the same argument as "music sucks today, it was so much better before"

Whatever Scalia thinks society SHOULD be like, I assure you, people 70 years older than HIM would disagree.


The times they are a-changin'
 
2013-10-12 07:58:11 AM  

Resident Muslim: We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents


Texas has abstinence-only education, and one of the highest (if not the highest) teen pregnancy rates in the country. So take your "morals" and blow it out your ass.
 
2013-10-12 08:04:42 AM  

filter: BumpInTheNight: Congrats America, you're at Europe in the 1930s level of prudishness when it comes to the human body.  Just a few more decades of progress to go!

Yurp is a diverse place- northern Europe, maybe. Southern, and Catholic wimmen better cover their heads in 'church.'


I don't quite see it that way. It's only in southern Europe and their former colonies where people routinely go to the beach wearing no more material than can be easily swallowed along with a glass of water. I'll grant you that there's a lot more naked sauna time in the north but it's not quite as open.

Mind you, that observation may be because I am coming from a British perspective and we still haven't shaken off the Puritan and Victorian body shame.
 
2013-10-12 08:08:30 AM  
Oh, I forgot. Look at this, the resemblance is uncanny.

A cow:

i4.mirror.co.uk

Miley Cyrus:

i248.photobucket.com

Amazing!
 
2013-10-12 08:08:41 AM  
Social morality isn't about creating a culture of compassion, empathy, equality and physical comfort for as many as possible. It's about putting a halt to bad words and, of course, all that SEX, SEX, SEX people are having -- yes, actually HAVING -- that they shouldn't be having because Nazi Germany and the Roman Empire.

Our society is going to hell, you dolts. WAKE UP!

/sex
 
2013-10-12 08:16:27 AM  
Miley Cyrus is merely a distraction to stop you from noticing how bad your life sucks.
 
2013-10-12 08:55:00 AM  
Didn't read the article.  So she killed herself?
 
2013-10-12 08:56:59 AM  

oukewldave: Didn't read the article.  So she killed herself?


The article is about Justice Scalia.
 
2013-10-12 08:58:16 AM  
...and narcissism scores have skyrocketed, and clinical depression rates are being described by researchers as an epidemic, and America leads the world in prescription drug abuse, and scientific literacy and numeracy among students are dropping, and the TSA is hiring sex offenders to administer your pre-flight grope...

I can cherry-pick stuff too.
 
2013-10-12 09:07:24 AM  

Alphax: FarkinNortherner: The author thinks Scalia's sub debate team grandiloquence is 'lapidary'?

I was wondering about that.. looking up the word now, he's a gemcutter?

Even calling his words 'precise' doesn't seem to fit.


I think the action implied is 'grinding'...which could apply to either Scalia or Miley.
 
2013-10-12 09:28:38 AM  

Alphax: oukewldave: Didn't read the article.  So she killed herself?

The article is about Justice Scalia.


Even better!!! He killed himself?
 
2013-10-12 09:33:11 AM  

shtychkn: While values and morals are unique to the individual. There are still social norms that we share.


Maybe where we're falling apart is on the individual level. It seems like more and more people are a lot more concerned that they not be "disrespected", and that they have to do something about it, when I think we used to just brush little indignities off. Now everybody has to have such high self-esteem and self-worth that we're supposed to "stand our ground" over every stupid slight that comes our way.

It's making us into a bunch of assholes. But hey, at least we all have high regard for ourselves.

/As my mother used to say, "It's not always about YOU."


DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Get Scalia his fainting couch.  Then explain to Annie Lennox why this
[blu.stb.s-msn.com image 598x398]
is just a fancy dress version of
 [img.fark.net image 500x265]


I liked the fancy dress version much better.
 
2013-10-12 09:41:12 AM  
FTA " brutally lapidary prose "
I don't know what this means.  I used to do lapidary as a hobby, but it was never brutal, nor particularly poetic
 
2013-10-12 10:09:48 AM  
What's funny to me is all the men keeping quiet about Miley's little sexy dance.   If that was prancing around my bedroom I'd be banging it day and night.
 
2013-10-12 10:15:36 AM  
"By virtually every measure, we're a safer, nicer, kinder country."

No.

We're surrounded by more self-centered, inept, narcissistic, assholes than ever before.
 
2013-10-12 10:18:43 AM  

doglover: kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.

I do miss having thralls. What's the point of sailing across an ocean if you're not even taking monks prisoner?


And I say we should bring back dueling. It's a way for idiots who are pissed at other idiots to solve their problem with doing a drive by.
 
2013-10-12 10:34:21 AM  
I don't really care that pop culture is cruder, I care that it's not as interesting or novel as it was.

/onion, belt, cloud yelling
 
2013-10-12 10:40:31 AM  

Desmo: "By virtually every measure, we're a safer, nicer, kinder country."

No.

We're surrounded by more self-centered, inept, narcissistic, assholes have the ability to voice their narcissism to the masses more than ever before.


FTFY

There have always been narcissists - but prior to the internet, they were generally referred to as 'that; uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, cousin, etc...' and generally ignored by their social circle before. Now they have the means to broadcast their narcissistic tendencies to a multitude of people - so it just seems like there are more of them.
 
2013-10-12 11:01:17 AM  

Yeah_Right: There have always been narcissists - but prior to the internet, they were generally referred to as 'that; uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, cousin, etc...' and generally ignored by their social circle before. Now they have the means to broadcast their narcissistic tendencies to a multitude of people - so it just seems like there are more of them.


I actually think there's more of them now. Our culture encourages it, and advertising has a much bigger effect on us than most of us realize. Because we're all "worth it" you know--we should all have everything we want, damn the consequences. We also encourage this idea today that everyone is special and unique and no matter what kind of person they are, they're still worthy of respect. Well, ya know--some people actually need to be smacked and told to have some goddamn respect for others.

I have a whole farking book about this subject in my head, so don't get me started.
 
2013-10-12 11:22:51 AM  

RoyBatty: kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.

Old white bro culture still shoving their rape culture all across Silicon Valley, college campuses and Brooklyn.


What is this bullshiat "rape culture" you're referring to?  No one tolerates rape and it sure as hell isn't encouraged or ignored, except in the American prison system - where 200,000 men are victimized every year. (compared to ~100,000 non-prisoner reports)

It's a crime so reprehensible that those in jail for it have to be separated from the general population.

If you think universities tolerate it, I have some news for you.  Universities can dismiss students without the accused student having been convicted criminally.  They can conduct a tribunal where the student has no right to legal counsel, where a 50.01% standard of evidence is good enough to dismiss a student.  So much for due process and presumption of innocence.

The "1 in 4" women are victimized is complete garbage.  It doesn't even pass a basic logic "sniff test."  One school as an example, University of Georgia reports 15 sex related crimes in 2012.  ~60% of the school is female.  That's over 20,000 students out of 34,000 total.  15 out of 20,000 per year sure as hell doesn't even get close to get a 1/4 rate over 4 years.  That's just one example and it's similar across every university.  So, please stop with that bullshiat.

And if we have such a "rape culture," then why does the Bureau of Justice Statistics report a 58% drop from 1995 to 2010? (had to link cached copy as BJS.gov is down due to shutdown)
 
2013-10-12 11:34:45 AM  

cryinoutloud: Yeah_Right: There have always been narcissists - but prior to the internet, they were generally referred to as 'that; uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, cousin, etc...' and generally ignored by their social circle before. Now they have the means to broadcast their narcissistic tendencies to a multitude of people - so it just seems like there are more of them.

I actually think there's more of them now. Our culture encourages it, and advertising has a much bigger effect on us than most of us realize. Because we're all "worth it" you know--we should all have everything we want, damn the consequences. We also encourage this idea today that everyone is special and unique and no matter what kind of person they are, they're still worthy of respect. Well, ya know--some people actually need to be smacked and told to have some goddamn respect for others.

I have a whole farking book about this subject in my head, so don't get me started.


Read Jean Twenge's book Generation Me, and you'll have a whole farking book about this subject on your bookshelf.
 
2013-10-12 11:45:21 AM  
It is in the eye, and maybe hand, of the beholder.

Anybody actually care about my personal tastes? Thought not.

/who's your Nanny?
 
Ant
2013-10-12 11:53:54 AM  

kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.


But, but, but nudity... and coarse language.... and masturbation... These are the things that really matter, not stuff that causes actual harm!

I was loading a truck one day with a bunch of old, broken cabinets I'd ripped out of my kitchen. This Christian Evangelist was going door-to-door, trying to get people to come to his church, and he stopped to talk to me while I worked. After some small talk about kitchen remodeling and the weather, he brought the conversation got around to what a bad place the world was becoming. I stopped him right there and said "No, it's not getting worse. The world as a whole is actually getting to be a much better place to live. We have fewer and less bloody wars, less racial tension. All the things that actually matter are getting better, for the most part."

His response: "You're an atheist, aren't you?"

I never even mentioned being an atheist, but somehow he knew.
 
2013-10-12 12:02:35 PM  
Hate to break it to people, but your grandmother was giving handies in that old Chevy on the top of hookup hill.

People wrongly assume the past was so much more pure than the present.  It wasn't.  It was actually even worse.

Hollywood isn't history.  Married people don't sleep in twin beds and never have sex.  Well, at least newly married, attractive people.
 
Ant
2013-10-12 12:05:43 PM  
 
Ant
2013-10-12 12:11:38 PM  

ramblinwreck: No one tolerates rape and it sure as hell isn't encouraged or ignored


Except when it's done by football players in Steubenville, Ohio. "Oh no! Those poor boys' lives are ruined!"
 
2013-10-12 12:17:12 PM  

profplump: robohobo: I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years

By a static, 35-year-old definition of "coarse" it probably is. But that doesn't mean anything.

For example, I think it's rude to interrupt an in-person conversation to answer the phone. My grandmother thinks it's rude not to (but somehow also thinks call waiting is rude; apparently only the first caller gets interruption rights). From my point of view her old-fashion behavior is "coarser" than mine.

But it's silly to argue about such things because there's no absolute scale. Occasionally our expectations of others are based on actual moral precepts (e.g. no killing), but mostly it's just about expecting people to match the sort of behavior you learned when you were young. Deviations from your expectations are seen as "coarse" even if you don't have any particular value or moral to support your expectation, and the people you think are "coarse" may well be making the same judgement about you.


THIS. I just had to have an argument about this with my girlfriend last night. I sent her 28-year-old daughter a link to a (raunchy) comedy show I REALLY thought she'd like/identify with. Oh boy, did I catch some shiat.

1) Daughter was fine with it.
2) She's almost 30, c'mon.
3) I was just trying to be friendly. The important factor is INTENT, not style or content.
4) I was raised European-style: Anything goes, we don't automatically assume everyone is out to hurt us, and if so, that's THEIR problem.

Girlfriend apologized. :)

// Miley Cyrus is disgusting because she's INTENDING to be disgusting. To paraphrase a song, "there's no sex in her violence".
 
2013-10-12 12:47:09 PM  
"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."

Things were very different in the past.

/see what I did there?
 
2013-10-12 12:54:59 PM  
I'll give her that, once she actually does something of substance.

I was told by an acquaintance that Miley has a purpose in acting the way she's been doing, and has explained it in interviews and everything. I'm not sure how to tell this person that we've seen the interviews and understand what she thinks she's doing, we just think she's consistently done a piss-poor job of making it look anything but awkward and uncomfortable.
 
2013-10-12 12:55:36 PM  

Resident Muslim: More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy.


Wat.
 
2013-10-12 01:16:16 PM  

Desmo: "By virtually every measure, we're a safer, nicer, kinder country."

No.

We're surrounded by more self-centered, inept, narcissistic, assholes than ever before.


But enough about congress..
 
2013-10-12 02:27:49 PM  
Hope she never does anything in three-D...those big choppers comin' at you....
 
2013-10-12 02:36:12 PM  
My bet for Hanna montana is drug overdose within 6 months.
 
2013-10-12 05:11:19 PM  

Ant: ramblinwreck: No one tolerates rape and it sure as hell isn't encouraged or ignored

Except when it's done by football players in Steubenville, Ohio. "Oh no! Those poor boys' lives are ruined!"


Are you farking mentally disabled?
 
2013-10-12 07:02:23 PM  

kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.


Funniest post ever - uses you actually believe that then I'm surprised you know how to use a computer.
 
2013-10-12 09:54:21 PM  
Between the Crusades, The Holocaust, nukes, chemical weapons, holy wars, the Spanish Inquisition, the Congo genocides, Franco, Pinchon, Stalin, Hitler, etc., I say we as humans have seen worse social traits than boobs, dongs, and Miley Cyrus shaking her Gumbi-esque ass around. So, shake what your mama gave ya, Miley! (wherever it is)
 
2013-10-12 11:00:17 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Oh, I forgot. Look at this, the resemblance is uncanny.

A cow:

[i4.mirror.co.uk image 615x409]

Miley Cyrus:

[i248.photobucket.com image 400x300]

Amazing!


+1 to you sir.
 
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