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2013-10-12 02:58:15 AM  
"One of the things that upsets me about modern society is the coarseness of manners. You can't go to a movie-or watch a television show for that matter-without hearing the constant use of the F-word-including, you know, ladies using it.... My goodness!"

Fetch Scalia's fainting couch. Of course he's admitted he's immersed himself in the right-wing echo chamber (only reads the Washington Times and the WSJ) so it's not surprising he sees moral decay and social boogeymen behind every tree.
 
2013-10-12 03:06:17 AM  
The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.
 
2013-10-12 03:17:16 AM  

kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.


I do miss having thralls. What's the point of sailing across an ocean if you're not even taking monks prisoner?
 
2013-10-12 03:17:28 AM  

kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.


But there's WAAAAAY too damned much equality these days.
 
2013-10-12 03:23:51 AM  
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2013-10-12 03:25:43 AM  

kxs401: The idea that society is somehow worse now than it's ever been is ridiculous. We've never been safer, healthier, longer-lived, or less bigoted. Things aren't perfect, but they're pretty damn good.


Old white bro culture still shoving their rape culture all across Silicon Valley, college campuses and Brooklyn.
 
2013-10-12 03:25:52 AM  
I fail to see what's spiffy about.....


www.faustoponce.com

Have I been Poe's Law-ed?
 
2013-10-12 03:26:06 AM  
Who gives a fark about the f-word any more.

Fark.

fark fark fark.

Oh.
 
2013-10-12 03:27:14 AM  
Patton had a rather sour view of peace.
 
2013-10-12 03:29:18 AM  
It's funny, I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years, but society is also way more pussified and offendable. Outrage this, I'm SO offended that..
 
2013-10-12 03:48:15 AM  
Violence, gore and death = wholesome family entertainment
The human body intact but short on clothing = mass hysteria
 
2013-10-12 03:49:15 AM  
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2013-10-12 03:52:54 AM  
I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.
 
2013-10-12 03:56:39 AM  
No
 
2013-10-12 03:59:08 AM  

dai the flu: I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.


To be fair, the same'd be true if they replaced profanity with any other word or noise. Once you stop using words to communicate, it doesn't matter what sounds you make.
 
2013-10-12 03:59:12 AM  

robohobo: I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years


By a static, 35-year-old definition of "coarse" it probably is. But that doesn't mean anything.

For example, I think it's rude to interrupt an in-person conversation to answer the phone. My grandmother thinks it's rude not to (but somehow also thinks call waiting is rude; apparently only the first caller gets interruption rights). From my point of view her old-fashion behavior is "coarser" than mine.

But it's silly to argue about such things because there's no absolute scale. Occasionally our expectations of others are based on actual moral precepts (e.g. no killing), but mostly it's just about expecting people to match the sort of behavior you learned when you were young. Deviations from your expectations are seen as "coarse" even if you don't have any particular value or moral to support your expectation, and the people you think are "coarse" may well be making the same judgement about you.
 
2013-10-12 04:01:47 AM  
Sure.
 
2013-10-12 04:04:00 AM  
We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents
 
2013-10-12 04:04:25 AM  

profplump: robohobo: I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years

By a static, 35-year-old definition of "coarse" it probably is. But that doesn't mean anything.

For example, I think it's rude to interrupt an in-person conversation to answer the phone. My grandmother thinks it's rude not to (but somehow also thinks call waiting is rude; apparently only the first caller gets interruption rights). From my point of view her old-fashion behavior is "coarser" than mine.

But it's silly to argue about such things because there's no absolute scale. Occasionally our expectations of others are based on actual moral precepts (e.g. no killing), but mostly it's just about expecting people to match the sort of behavior you learned when you were young. Deviations from your expectations are seen as "coarse" even if you don't have any particular value or moral to support your expectation, and the people you think are "coarse" may well be making the same judgement about you.


While values and morals are unique to the individual. There are still social norms that we share.
 
2013-10-12 04:06:46 AM  
The only word that offends me is "literally." The same thing people say about cursing (you lose the message, they say) is how I feel about that word.
 
2013-10-12 04:25:59 AM  

generallyso: Violence, gore and death = wholesome family entertainment
The human body intact but short on clothing = mass hysteria


Guns and football for all!
 
2013-10-12 04:31:25 AM  

signaljammer: Patton had a rather sour view of peace.


But he had a great view of that truck!

/aisle seat, long legs
 
2013-10-12 04:32:08 AM  
When I first saw the Miley thing I thought:  "Wow how hot".  Then I saw her face and said:  "Whoa!  A girl she is not".
 
2013-10-12 04:41:59 AM  
People have always used course language, maybe more. Think the 50s was all squeaky clean and polite like on those old TV shows? Well go watch some blooper reels and outtakes from those very shows listen to how those actors really spoke. F bombs galore...
 
2013-10-12 04:56:12 AM  
You can't go to a movie-or watch a television show for that matter-without hearing the constant use of the F-word

Yeah, and in the 50s everyone used the n-word. Now they don't.

Our level of crudeness hasn't gotten worse, it has just shifted from one taboo field (sexuality) to another (race). Typically, when this happens in a system, it's usually a barometer of the level of repression, and dirty words are a reflection of that repression.
 
2013-10-12 05:07:22 AM  

Resident Muslim: We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...


Didn't read the article, did you?

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents


What, pray tell, are these "natural human emotions"?  I hear religious folks yammer about these, and when they get called on it, the best they can usually do is point to some Edenic vision that never existed.

Hopefully you can do better?
 
2013-10-12 05:13:51 AM  
Define 'better'.
 
2013-10-12 05:14:59 AM  
(My comment was directed at the headline and not PunGent)
 
2013-10-12 05:15:39 AM  
people.virginia.edu tag was off somewhere twerking, I guess.
 
2013-10-12 05:23:46 AM  
I refuse to read TFA. Get off my screen, Miley Cyrus.
 
2013-10-12 05:28:17 AM  
Things are better these days, aside from crazy people shutting down the government and trying to turn back women's rights by a few centuries.
 
2013-10-12 05:30:18 AM  

PunGent: Resident Muslim: We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...

Didn't read the article, did you?

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents

What, pray tell, are these "natural human emotions"?  I hear religious folks yammer about these, and when they get called on it, the best they can usually do is point to some Edenic vision that never existed.

Hopefully you can do better?


Jealousy for one?
How many times have we heard that being jealous is not civilized, that it is primal, and that we should let it go?
Then you read all of these articles and letters for advice talking about SO's meeting with past flames that are now "just friends".

I get a feeling this is either a very sensitive subject for you or you have issues with "religious folks".
Not sure which.

I'd be more than happy to hear your viewpoint and would digress with all respect should you care to discuss.
 
2013-10-12 05:30:37 AM  

Alphax: Things are better these days, aside from crazy people shutting down the government and trying to turn back women's rights by a few centuries.


Also assholes who feel the need to dirty every thread with politics.
 
2013-10-12 05:43:48 AM  

robohobo: Alphax: Things are better these days, aside from crazy people shutting down the government and trying to turn back women's rights by a few centuries.

Also assholes who feel the need to dirty every thread with politics.


Were you implying that I'm one of those assholes?  My comment was less political than the Time Magazine link.
 
2013-10-12 05:52:26 AM  

CowardlyLion: dai the flu: I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.

To be fair, the same'd be true if they replaced profanity with any other word or noise. Once you stop using words to communicate, it doesn't matter what sounds you make.


Excellent point. I think it's been slowly grinding my gears more and more over the years because it's consistently the F-bomb.
 
2013-10-12 06:06:24 AM  

robohobo: It's funny, I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years, but society is also way more pussified and offendable. Outrage this, I'm SO offended that..


You take that back.
 
2013-10-12 06:08:39 AM  

HooskerDoo: robohobo: It's funny, I agree we're coarser than I've seen in my 35 years, but society is also way more pussified and offendable. Outrage this, I'm SO offended that..

You take that back.


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2013-10-12 06:16:54 AM  
Scalia should be more concerned with whether those words were immoral to begin with. The "curse word" list is as arbitrary as it is utilized.
 
2013-10-12 06:27:15 AM  
Congrats America, you're at Europe in the 1930s level of prudishness when it comes to the human body.  Just a few more decades of progress to go!
 
2013-10-12 06:27:43 AM  

CowardlyLion: dai the flu: I don't mind swearing. I swear a lot. I hear other people swear a lot. Try it, it's very relieving.

What I find really jarring is when people just swear for the sake of having other people hear them swear:
"I was just, farkin', goin' through the farkin' drivethrough, 'cos I, farkin', wanted some farkin' food. fark."

It doesn't deliver anything of meaning, it just makes everyone around you that little bit stupider.

To be fair, the same'd be true if they replaced profanity with any other word or noise. Once you stop using words to communicate, it doesn't matter what sounds you make.


Carlin: replace the word "kill" with the word "fark" in old westerns.

"Now we got ya' sheriff, and we're gonna fark ya'. But we're gonna fark ya' *slow*"
 
2013-10-12 06:48:00 AM  

fusillade762: "One of the things that upsets me about modern society is the coarseness of manners. You can't go to a movie-or watch a television show for that matter-without hearing the constant use of the F-word-including, you know, ladies using it.... My goodness!"

Fetch Scalia's fainting couch. Of course he's admitted he's immersed himself in the right-wing echo chamber (only reads the Washington Times and the WSJ) so it's not surprising he sees moral decay and social boogeymen behind every tree.


Typical white male.
 
2013-10-12 06:48:01 AM  

Jill'sNipple: I refuse to read TFA. Get off my screen, Miley Cyrus.


It's actually someone much more offensive than Miley Cyrus.
 
2013-10-12 07:03:01 AM  
Get Scalia his fainting couch.  Then explain to Annie Lennox why this

blu.stb.s-msn.com

is just a fancy dress version of
 img.fark.net
 
2013-10-12 07:20:34 AM  
The author thinks Scalia's sub debate team grandiloquence is 'lapidary'?
 
2013-10-12 07:24:05 AM  

FarkinNortherner: The author thinks Scalia's sub debate team grandiloquence is 'lapidary'?


I was wondering about that.. looking up the word now, he's a gemcutter?

Even calling his words 'precise' doesn't seem to fit.
 
2013-10-12 07:34:49 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Congrats America, you're at Europe in the 1930s level of prudishness when it comes to the human body.  Just a few more decades of progress to go!


Yurp is a diverse place- northern Europe, maybe. Southern, and Catholic wimmen better cover their heads in 'church.'
 
2013-10-12 07:52:24 AM  
The parade of talent free, over hyped, ugly celebrities like Madonna, Kim Kardashian and Mikey Cyrus is hardly the reason that violent crime has gone down because CAUSATION \=\ CORRELATION which the writer doesn't seem to understand. If anything give the credit to GTA V which made $250,000,000 in its first weekend and gave all the little psychopaths the ability to go out and shoot hookers in their tits in Los Santos. We could have a genteel society with capable musicians and beautiful and accomplished actors but the double digit IQs don't want that. They want rappers and soap operas masquerading as reality TV so people can watch and say, "I may be a fat ugly stupid slut but Honey Boo Boo's ma is fatter and uglier and Kim Kardashian is fatter and sluttier. Nobody's never pissed on me least wise not on video."
 
2013-10-12 07:52:37 AM  
Crazy gringos and their fear of bobbies
 
2013-10-12 07:52:45 AM  
This is the same argument as "music sucks today, it was so much better before"

Whatever Scalia thinks society SHOULD be like, I assure you, people 70 years older than HIM would disagree.


The times they are a-changin'
 
2013-10-12 07:58:11 AM  

Resident Muslim: We are becoming ridiculous as a society; more coarser language, more people taking offense. More sexual education, not much effect in teen pregnancy. More sexual acceptance, more people on the sex offender list. More ways to hook up, more people staying at home on weekends, finding sexual release on the Internet and passing the time with TV or other stuff. More encouragement for sexual expression, more mocking for people who do. And so on...

We have become such a contradiction going against natural human emotions claiming that they have been forced on us by society, then wondering why things don't happen the way we planned once the 'shackles' have been taken off.

/2cents


Texas has abstinence-only education, and one of the highest (if not the highest) teen pregnancy rates in the country. So take your "morals" and blow it out your ass.
 
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