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2013-10-12 06:40:49 AM
Guns N Roses' acquostic output, including but not limited to "Patience" is underrated

Discuss.
 
2013-10-12 06:50:11 AM
I wonder what kind of "guide" he was using.

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I highly recommend "An Apology to Elephants":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-c4kexoI1U
 
2013-10-12 06:52:35 AM

nickdaisy: Guns N Roses' acquostic output, including but not limited to "Patience" is underrated

Discuss.


Sad keeper, take it slow, or you'll be crushed beneath her ass
You don't want to piss of lil' Patience
 
2013-10-12 07:05:10 AM
Were his trousers pressed?
 
2013-10-12 07:10:07 AM
Serves him right for dressing like a peanut.
 
2013-10-12 07:30:33 AM
Death by electrocution raycityhistory.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-12 07:33:37 AM

WillofJ2: Death by electrocution [raycityhistory.files.wordpress.com image 850x925]


i hate people. they are so petty.
 
2013-10-12 07:38:04 AM
I love how they won't euthanize the elephant. I guess because it is such a "majestic beast". but if it had been somebodies dog, they would have shot it on the spot. if anything, if elephants are so smart like they say, it should be held responsible for it's actions.
I guess elephants get a free pass for murder.
 
2013-10-12 07:44:23 AM

gulogulo: I wonder what kind of "guide" he was using.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x237]

I highly recommend "An Apology to Elephants":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-c4kexoI1U


That's a sharp one used by cruel circus types. AZA places use similar sticks, but filed down so they don't cut.
 
2013-10-12 07:50:45 AM

doglover: gulogulo: I wonder what kind of "guide" he was using.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x237]

I highly recommend "An Apology to Elephants":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-c4kexoI1U

That's a sharp one used by cruel circus types. AZA places use similar sticks, but filed down so they don't cut.


Watch the video all the same. It addresses the use of them in zoos.
 
2013-10-12 07:54:27 AM

WillofJ2: Death by electrocution


I thought it was "Mary" that was electrocuted, partially in order to showcase Edison's wonderous DC current? Still sad.
 
2013-10-12 07:57:02 AM
Q: What do elephants have between their toes?

A: Slow-running natives. Or in this case, zookeepers.
 
2013-10-12 07:57:23 AM

Kalashinator: WillofJ2: Death by electrocution

I thought it was "Mary" that was electrocuted, partially in order to showcase Edison's wonderous DC current? Still sad.


Killed one to show how dangerous alternating current was to promote his direct over TeslaWestinghouse A/C elephants was tops or something like that I think
 
2013-10-12 08:01:03 AM

bigbobowski: I love how they won't euthanize the elephant. I guess because it is such a "majestic beast". but if it had been somebodies dog, they would have shot it on the spot.


Who the fark do you think "they" is? Anyone who works with animals professionally knows it's never the animal's fault. No zoo keeper would put a dog down just because it killed someone. First thing they'd ask is "Well what did the they(the deader) do to get attacked?" and unless it's a pretty crazy dog, chances are there will be a logical answer.

And elephants are feakin' strong. You have no idea just how much power two tons of muscle has until you see it in action. They can toss an accidental hip check into you and break your spine like it was a piece of chalk. Around pachyderms, human bodies do not last. So when an elephant kills someone, usually it's an accident, not an attack. For you dog analogy to be remotely accurate, the "dog" in question would have to be a dire wolf that stood 6 feet tall at the shoulder and had metal teeth (possibly filled with deadly bees)

Do you know who shoots animals just because someone farked up and got killed by one? Cops and farmers. Why? Because cops want to shoot all their problems and farmers spend year after year birthing, raising, and slaughtering until they reach the point where letting something on four legs die of old age seems like a waste of good meat.

So again, I ask you to consider who "they" really is and what "they" would really say. To give you a hint: My co-worked was killed by an elephant back nearly a decade ago. The elephant that trampled him's still alive and well. Great man, he was, but I've not heard one person at that park talk about euthanizing the elephant even though the elephant was witnessed to charge him and roll him on the ground. They just wonder why she did it and how we can avoid such things in the future.
 
2013-10-12 08:03:15 AM

doglover: bigbobowski: I love how they won't euthanize the elephant. I guess because it is such a "majestic beast". but if it had been somebodies dog, they would have shot it on the spot.

Who the fark do you think "they" is? Anyone who works with animals professionally knows it's never the animal's fault. No zoo keeper would put a dog down just because it killed someone. First thing they'd ask is "Well what did the they(the deader) do to get attacked?" and unless it's a pretty crazy dog, chances are there will be a logical answer.

And elephants are feakin' strong. You have no idea just how much power two tons of muscle has until you see it in action. They can toss an accidental hip check into you and break your spine like it was a piece of chalk. Around pachyderms, human bodies do not last. So when an elephant kills someone, usually it's an accident, not an attack. For you dog analogy to be remotely accurate, the "dog" in question would have to be a dire wolf that stood 6 feet tall at the shoulder and had metal teeth (possibly filled with deadly bees)

Do you know who shoots animals just because someone farked up and got killed by one? Cops and farmers. Why? Because cops want to shoot all their problems and farmers spend year after year birthing, raising, and slaughtering until they reach the point where letting something on four legs die of old age seems like a waste of good meat.

So again, I ask you to consider who "they" really is and what "they" would really say. To give you a hint: My co-worked was killed by an elephant back nearly a decade ago. The elephant that trampled him's still alive and well. Great man, he was, but I've not heard one person at that park talk about euthanizing the elephant even though the elephant was witnessed to charge him and roll him on the ground. They just wonder why she did it and how we can avoid such things in the future.


yeah. what he said
 
2013-10-12 08:06:56 AM

gulogulo: doglover: gulogulo: I wonder what kind of "guide" he was using.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x237]

I highly recommend "An Apology to Elephants":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-c4kexoI1U

That's a sharp one used by cruel circus types. AZA places use similar sticks, but filed down so they don't cut.

Watch the video all the same. It addresses the use of them in zoos.


I've seen the ones they use in certified zoos.

They're the same general shape, but without sharp edges. It's filled down aluminum or stainless steel.
 
2013-10-12 08:09:52 AM

doglover: gulogulo: doglover: gulogulo: I wonder what kind of "guide" he was using.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x237]

I highly recommend "An Apology to Elephants":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-c4kexoI1U

That's a sharp one used by cruel circus types. AZA places use similar sticks, but filed down so they don't cut.

Watch the video all the same. It addresses the use of them in zoos.

I've seen the ones they use in certified zoos.

They're the same general shape, but without sharp edges. It's filled down aluminum or stainless steel.


I've worked with large animals before: even things without sharp edges can hurt and do damage. It's how it's used.  Saying that just because its not sharp any more it is inherently humane means is negligent. I'd really encourage you, as you apparently work with/in a zoo, to watch the video.
 
2013-10-12 08:10:50 AM
Please forgive typos. I'm hungover.
 
2013-10-12 08:14:52 AM
Always loved the elephant display at the NC zoo, if you have never been to the NC zoo its great, they seem to be relatively free roaming
 
2013-10-12 08:16:11 AM

gulogulo: Please forgive typos. I'm hungover.


Man bachelor party red bull vodkas, drunk and cant sleep, what fark has proven good for
 
2013-10-12 08:21:22 AM
I read that as Zoolander, and began morning Ben Stiller
 
2013-10-12 08:28:30 AM

gulogulo: I've worked with large animals before: even things without sharp edges can hurt and do damage.



Personally, I know we'd all like to be able to release the elephants back into the wild and not face any sticks at all, but the fact is most zoo animals were born in captivity, so even in the rare circumstances there's a wild left that humans haven't cut down yet, they'd die rather quickly and in a much crueler fashion if left alone there. So the choice is let them die in horrible agony, or try to minimize their discomfort in a park while keeping them trained enough to safely transport for medical and breeding purposes. It's a nasty choice, but unless some depopulation virus comes along that kills off everyone in Africa and Asia and we can train the elephants to repopulate when their native forests recover, the sticks are the best of the bad options available today.
 
2013-10-12 08:52:09 AM
Raaaaain on your wedding day
 
2013-10-12 09:01:52 AM

doglover: Personally, I know we'd all like to be able to release the elephants back into the wild and not face any sticks at all, but the fact is most zoo animals were born in captivity, so even in the rare circumstances there's a wild left that humans haven't cut down yet, they'd die rather quickly and in a much crueler fashion if left alone there. So the choice is let them die in horrible agony, or try to minimize their discomfort in a park while keeping them trained enough to safely transport for medical and breeding purposes. It's a nasty choice, but unless some depopulation virus comes along that kills off everyone in Africa and Asia and we can train the elephants to repopulate when their native forests recover, the sticks are the best of the bad options available today.


You just tore down a straw man that I never recommended. Of course a captive animal can't be released into the wild.  Again, I urge you to watch the video. There are methods of training and habitat enhancement  that don't require the 'big stick' approach, even for large animals.  Just maybe, too, we shouldn't be breeding large animals in captivity when we cannot provide them adequate habitats for them to roam. I am a fan of zoos. I like them for the educational purposes and the fact that for some people its the only way they will understand the world beyond their concrete jungle. I am not a fan of animals as entertainment and treated in a way that forgoes their own comforts in order to satisfy the customer.
 
2013-10-12 10:02:44 AM

bigbobowski: I love how they won't euthanize the elephant. I guess because it is such a "majestic beast". but if it had been somebodies dog, they would have shot it on the spot. if anything, if elephants are so smart like they say, it should be held responsible for it's actions.
I guess elephants get a free pass for murder.


Elephants cost a hell of a lot more than a pit bull.
 
2013-10-12 10:06:58 AM
if harsh language can put your dog in its corner on its belly, think what it can do when combined with what is essentially a spear, to a much more intelligent and social animal.
 
2013-10-12 10:16:45 AM
Someone pointed this animal down the wrong path in life.
 
2013-10-12 10:31:23 AM
I am not an elephant training expert but sometimes with large animals it seems like a hands completely off positive reinforcement training method where nobody is physically close to the animal without a barrier in between would be best. Of course I am sure people have been mostly successful doing it one way for sometime so they figure that is good enough.
 
2013-10-12 10:36:31 AM

cryinoutloud: bigbobowski: I love how they won't euthanize the elephant. I guess because it is such a "majestic beast". but if it had been somebodies dog, they would have shot it on the spot. if anything, if elephants are so smart like they say, it should be held responsible for it's actions.
I guess elephants get a free pass for murder.

Elephants cost a hell of a lot more than a pit bull.


What people don't realize is that most dogs with owners are not euthanized for biting a person and that no dog experts advocate euthanizing a dog for biting. They only support euthanization if the bite was truly unpredictable and for no reason. That is very rarely the case... Most humans just aren't paying enough attention to what a dog is saying to realize.
 
2013-10-12 10:45:34 AM
Was his name Zeke?

i.imgur.com

/obscure?
 
2013-10-12 10:48:56 AM

spidermilk: What people don't realize is that most dogs with owners are not euthanized for biting a person and that no dog experts advocate euthanizing a dog for biting. They only support euthanization if the bite was truly unpredictable and for no reason. That is very rarely the case... Most humans just aren't paying enough attention to what a dog is saying to realize.


Tell me about it. I had to rescue my dog from the pound more than once because some strange dumbass was grabbing her face or trying to take her for a walk or something. My dog didn't like being touched by strangers and she'd snap at them. And the dumbass would run off and call the police.

/f*ck all you dumbasses.
 
2013-10-12 11:04:19 AM

spidermilk: I am not an elephant training expert but sometimes with large animals it seems like a hands completely off positive reinforcement training method where nobody is physically close to the animal without a barrier in between would be best. Of course I am sure people have been mostly successful doing it one way for sometime so they figure that is good enough.


If you notice, elephant cages, when there are cages, will have bars a human can quickly jump through if needed. Bulls especially like to take the odd swipe at keepers, I've been told.
 
2013-10-12 11:07:05 AM

bigbobowski: I love how they won't euthanize the elephant. I guess because it is such a "majestic beast". but if it had been somebodies dog, they would have shot it on the spot. if anything, if elephants are so smart like they say, it should be held responsible for it's actions.
I guess elephants get a free pass for murder.


I would guess the beast did not mean to crush the man.
 
2013-10-12 11:07:28 AM

Persnickety: Was his name Zeke?

[i.imgur.com image 450x338]

/obscure?


Damn you Persnickety! I had that exact same image queued up and everything.

/nothing is obscure on Fark
//too bad he failed to win a bonus Keeper
 
2013-10-12 11:23:20 AM

cryinoutloud: spidermilk: What people don't realize is that most dogs with owners are not euthanized for biting a person and that no dog experts advocate euthanizing a dog for biting. They only support euthanization if the bite was truly unpredictable and for no reason. That is very rarely the case... Most humans just aren't paying enough attention to what a dog is saying to realize.

Tell me about it. I had to rescue my dog from the pound more than once because some strange dumbass was grabbing her face or trying to take her for a walk or something. My dog didn't like being touched by strangers and she'd snap at them. And the dumbass would run off and call the police.

/f*ck all you dumbasses.


That is pretty much the number one reason I keep my dog in my house if I can't supervise- not because he would get in trouble, but because people are cruel and taunt/hurt dogs. People don't seem to realize that dogs don't really like having their faces grabbed but if I ask them, well, wouldn't you think it was weird if an acquaintance came up and grabbed your face with both hands? Wouldn't you think it was a lot more normal if a person just patted you on the back or the shoulder?
 
2013-10-12 11:31:22 AM

spidermilk: cryinoutloud: spidermilk: What people don't realize is that most dogs with owners are not euthanized for biting a person and that no dog experts advocate euthanizing a dog for biting. They only support euthanization if the bite was truly unpredictable and for no reason. That is very rarely the case... Most humans just aren't paying enough attention to what a dog is saying to realize.

Tell me about it. I had to rescue my dog from the pound more than once because some strange dumbass was grabbing her face or trying to take her for a walk or something. My dog didn't like being touched by strangers and she'd snap at them. And the dumbass would run off and call the police.

/f*ck all you dumbasses.

That is pretty much the number one reason I keep my dog in my house if I can't supervise- not because he would get in trouble, but because people are cruel and taunt/hurt dogs. People don't seem to realize that dogs don't really like having their faces grabbed but if I ask them, well, wouldn't you think it was weird if an acquaintance came up and grabbed your face with both hands? Wouldn't you think it was a lot more normal if a person just patted you on the back or the shoulder?


Well tell your dog I don't really like when he comes up to me and sticks his nose in my butt then wants to lick my face.   wouldn't you think it was weird if an acquaintance came up and did that to you? ("
 
2013-10-12 11:32:36 AM

spidermilk: cryinoutloud: spidermilk: What people don't realize is that most dogs with owners are not euthanized for biting a person and that no dog experts advocate euthanizing a dog for biting. They only support euthanization if the bite was truly unpredictable and for no reason. That is very rarely the case... Most humans just aren't paying enough attention to what a dog is saying to realize.

Tell me about it. I had to rescue my dog from the pound more than once because some strange dumbass was grabbing her face or trying to take her for a walk or something. My dog didn't like being touched by strangers and she'd snap at them. And the dumbass would run off and call the police.

/f*ck all you dumbasses.

That is pretty much the number one reason I keep my dog in my house if I can't supervise- not because he would get in trouble, but because people are cruel and taunt/hurt dogs. People don't seem to realize that dogs don't really like having their faces grabbed but if I ask them, well, wouldn't you think it was weird if an acquaintance came up and grabbed your face with both hands? Wouldn't you think it was a lot more normal if a person just patted you on the back or the shoulder?


Both of these. Let the dog approach you. If he/she likes you, he/she will let you know he/she wants more interaction. Never assume, NEVER.
 
2013-10-12 11:35:10 AM

KimNorth: spidermilk: cryinoutloud: spidermilk: What people don't realize is that most dogs with owners are not euthanized for biting a person and that no dog experts advocate euthanizing a dog for biting. They only support euthanization if the bite was truly unpredictable and for no reason. That is very rarely the case... Most humans just aren't paying enough attention to what a dog is saying to realize.

Tell me about it. I had to rescue my dog from the pound more than once because some strange dumbass was grabbing her face or trying to take her for a walk or something. My dog didn't like being touched by strangers and she'd snap at them. And the dumbass would run off and call the police.

/f*ck all you dumbasses.

That is pretty much the number one reason I keep my dog in my house if I can't supervise- not because he would get in trouble, but because people are cruel and taunt/hurt dogs. People don't seem to realize that dogs don't really like having their faces grabbed but if I ask them, well, wouldn't you think it was weird if an acquaintance came up and grabbed your face with both hands? Wouldn't you think it was a lot more normal if a person just patted you on the back or the shoulder?

Well tell your dog I don't really like when he comes up to me and sticks his nose in my butt then wants to lick my face.   wouldn't you think it was weird if an acquaintance came up and did that to you? ("


It's my experience that most dogs will sense wether you are a dog person or not. They sense if you don't want them around.

Dachshunds, howerver are to stupid to know this simple thing.
 
2013-10-12 11:37:43 AM

KimNorth: Well tell your dog I don't really like when he comes up to me and sticks his nose in my butt then wants to lick my face.


Shaddup, you love it.

/Is that cabbage I detect?
 
2013-10-12 12:40:42 PM
A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.
 
2013-10-12 01:02:59 PM

KimNorth: spidermilk: cryinoutloud: spidermilk: What people don't realize is that most dogs with owners are not euthanized for biting a person and that no dog experts advocate euthanizing a dog for biting. They only support euthanization if the bite was truly unpredictable and for no reason. That is very rarely the case... Most humans just aren't paying enough attention to what a dog is saying to realize.

Tell me about it. I had to rescue my dog from the pound more than once because some strange dumbass was grabbing her face or trying to take her for a walk or something. My dog didn't like being touched by strangers and she'd snap at them. And the dumbass would run off and call the police.

/f*ck all you dumbasses.

That is pretty much the number one reason I keep my dog in my house if I can't supervise- not because he would get in trouble, but because people are cruel and taunt/hurt dogs. People don't seem to realize that dogs don't really like having their faces grabbed but if I ask them, well, wouldn't you think it was weird if an acquaintance came up and grabbed your face with both hands? Wouldn't you think it was a lot more normal if a person just patted you on the back or the shoulder?

Well tell your dog I don't really like when he comes up to me and sticks his nose in my butt then wants to lick my face.   wouldn't you think it was weird if an acquaintance came up and did that to you? ("


haha you have a good point- the 'imagine a dog is a human' thing really doesn't work all the way because dogs just aren't humans. My dog is really aloof to strangers so he won't sniff or lick- when meeting a new person he will basically look at them for a few minutes and then completely ignore them- you cannot imagine how much this upsets people- they will beg him to come over and get smothered with affection. So apparently people really *do* want their butts sniffed...
 
2013-10-12 01:05:53 PM

some_beer_drinker: doglover: bigbobowski: I love how they won't euthanize the elephant. I guess because it is such a "majestic beast". but if it had been somebodies dog, they would have shot it on the spot.

Who the fark do you think "they" is? Anyone who works with animals professionally knows it's never the animal's fault. No zoo keeper would put a dog down just because it killed someone. First thing they'd ask is "Well what did the they(the deader) do to get attacked?" and unless it's a pretty crazy dog, chances are there will be a logical answer.

And elephants are feakin' strong. You have no idea just how much power two tons of muscle has until you see it in action. They can toss an accidental hip check into you and break your spine like it was a piece of chalk. Around pachyderms, human bodies do not last. So when an elephant kills someone, usually it's an accident, not an attack. For you dog analogy to be remotely accurate, the "dog" in question would have to be a dire wolf that stood 6 feet tall at the shoulder and had metal teeth (possibly filled with deadly bees)

Do you know who shoots animals just because someone farked up and got killed by one? Cops and farmers. Why? Because cops want to shoot all their problems and farmers spend year after year birthing, raising, and slaughtering until they reach the point where letting something on four legs die of old age seems like a waste of good meat.

So again, I ask you to consider who "they" really is and what "they" would really say. To give you a hint: My co-worked was killed by an elephant back nearly a decade ago. The elephant that trampled him's still alive and well. Great man, he was, but I've not heard one person at that park talk about euthanizing the elephant even though the elephant was witnessed to charge him and roll him on the ground. They just wonder why she did it and how we can avoid such things in the future.

yeah. what he said

sorry I meant "it" would have been shot on the spot. referring of course to the elephant. in the article the said the animal had previously exhibited behavior problems. that three people had to handle it. Fark the elephant. shoot it, or take it back to Africa or Asia, where it's ancestors came from and drop it of in the wild.
/leave the elephants in the wild, where they can take their chances.

 
2013-10-12 04:39:13 PM
Raji's Untimely Demise.
Obscure?


/U-betcha.
 
2013-10-13 06:33:19 AM
...and an elephant who never forgets...
TO KILL!

/and Citizen Snips

http://youtu.be/V92agzmjcsk
 
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