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2013-10-11 08:41:28 PM
But as the NBC News investigation uncovered, the remains contained within the coffins had not just arrived - they'd been taken from labs where they were waiting for analysis, sometimes for as long as months - and the planes used weren't functional; instead, they were towed into place before each ceremony.

Considering I thought they were going to say, "but it turns out the coffins were empty," I can't find this too outrageous.
 
2013-10-11 08:42:26 PM
That's pretty farked up right there
 
2013-10-11 08:44:44 PM
Thanks, Obama
 
2013-10-11 09:03:55 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: That's pretty farked up right there


why?
 
2013-10-11 09:25:56 PM

nekom: Thanks, Obama


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-10-11 09:28:19 PM
Oh for fark's sake, can't we let the families have a little peace and dignity?  This isn't an expose, it's a hit piece.
 
2013-10-11 10:11:11 PM
I worked with a guy who's father was a forensic dentist.  Every year he had to make a couple 3-week field trips to SE Asia to work on bodies in situ.  Real life is not CSI - it takes a long time to figure these things out.
 
2013-10-11 10:15:05 PM
Call me crazy, but I'm a little more upset over the fact that identification costs a million dollars, these people $80 million a year, and there's a backlog of 11 years.  I seriously doubt this couldn't be done for a tenth of the money and five times as fast.
 
2013-10-11 10:15:26 PM

impaler: Considering I thought they were going to say, "but it turns out the coffins were empty," I can't find this too outrageous.


Same... thinking when I clicked the link "they're just pretending to have found bodies to trick the families?"... Military likes its pomp and circumstance, them doing a ceremony after doing tests to ID the remains doesn't really rank high on my "this is an outrage" meter.
 
2013-10-11 10:15:36 PM
This is just like those guys on Craigslist M4M that advertise as being in shape and have photos of their huge dicks and then you meet up with them in the Walmart bathroom and they end up being fat, frumpy old men with tiny cocks.  Sure, you're still gonna suck them off, but it's an awful trespass of trust.  I'm talking to you Mastedong1024.
 
2013-10-11 10:17:12 PM
Having friends and family who served in various branches of the military, I feel comfortable in saying the following:

For fark's sake, why the fark is this news? Why is this shocking? Let the families have some goddamned closure. Even if it's fake, at least the families aren't grieving in perpetuity because their loved one never "came home." If my brother went MIA in the sandbox, I'd for damned sure rather a faked arrival ceremony than to wonder forever if he was alive.

Having said all that, maybe--just maybe--there could be a better solution...but I'll be damned if I can think of one.
 
2013-10-11 10:17:40 PM
Bullsh*t from the military? You'll never convince me the families are surprised.
 
2013-10-11 10:18:56 PM
So when remains are found they are sent to a lab while they undergo identification, then about four times a year they take the identified remains and have a ceremony. I'm failing to see what the problem is here.
 
2013-10-11 10:20:46 PM
My only actual outrage was this:  FTFA: JPAC, by the way, identifies about 80 bodies per year, at a cost of $1 million per body; each set of remains sits in a lab for an average of 11 years before it's identified, according to an internal report.
 
2013-10-11 10:21:03 PM
Autopen!
 
2013-10-11 10:21:11 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Oh for fark's sake, can't we let the families have a little peace and dignity?  This isn't an expose, it's a hit piece.


Thank you. I came here to say this. This a ceremony for the benefit of the families. Let them alone. Don't try to make their loss a "Thanks Obama" jibe.
 
2013-10-11 10:22:44 PM
I had been wondering, but this explains why I almost always just saw the rear of the aircraft during these ceremonies.
 
2013-10-11 10:24:03 PM

nekom: Thanks, Obama


Obama wasn't president 7 years ago.  This practice was started by the shiathead who started the war.
 
2013-10-11 10:31:23 PM
Don't believe the mainstream media and don't trust the Government.

/saw this bumper sticker last week
//same car had another - "Keep Vermont Weird"
 
2013-10-11 10:32:13 PM

Bucky Katt: nekom: Thanks, Obama

Obama wasn't president 7 years ago.  This practice was started by the shiathead who started the war.


That's the joke.
 
2013-10-11 10:33:24 PM
Yeah. After the million for ID is spent I guess the cost of towing the planes in and filming is probably peanuts and superfluous. So cut the ceremony. Your next of kin got their closure. Dumb move, but really? Outrage?
 
2013-10-11 10:34:43 PM

Bucky Katt: nekom: Thanks, Obama

Obama wasn't president 7 years ago.  This practice was started by the shiathead who started the war.


Clinton?
 
2013-10-11 10:35:35 PM
The article should less noted for the not-a-suprise content and more noted for the comments. Specifically the comment which appears to have coined a new phrase--- "the conservative wharrgarblsphere..."
 
2013-10-11 10:36:52 PM
i618.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-11 10:37:43 PM
Of all the offensive things our government does, this is the least.
 
2013-10-11 10:38:34 PM
Do they hire a guy to make jet engine noises?
 
2013-10-11 10:39:11 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Oh for fark's sake, can't we let the families have a little peace and dignity?  This isn't an expose, it's a hit piece.


this

It beats "Here's a shoebox"
 
2013-10-11 10:40:21 PM

uncleacid: Do they hire a guy to make jet engine noises?


marissaburgess.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-11 10:43:00 PM
Fark, I think I finally got banhammered over at gawker.
 
2013-10-11 10:47:04 PM

cretinbob: [i618.photobucket.com image 400x323]




JPAC, by the way, identifies about 80 bodies per year, at a cost of $1 million per body.
farm2.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-11 10:53:41 PM
This is the dumbest manufactured rage I have seen in a while.
 
2013-10-11 11:02:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Oh for fark's sake, can't we let the families have a little peace and dignity?  This isn't an expose, it's a hit piece.


yeah it's much ado about nothing. so what if the remains had been at a lab being analyzed and the plane wasn't just flown in.
 
2013-10-11 11:04:50 PM
I thought in one of those ceremonies that was Bruce Willis in the background in uniform.
 
2013-10-11 11:09:07 PM

impaler: But as the NBC News investigation uncovered, the remains contained within the coffins had not just arrived - they'd been taken from labs where they were waiting for analysis, sometimes for as long as months - and the planes used weren't functional; instead, they were towed into place before each ceremony.

Considering I thought they were going to say, "but it turns out the coffins were empty," I can't find this too outrageous.


But NBC really shouldn't have attached rocket motors to ignite the coffins.
 
2013-10-11 11:10:49 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: That's pretty farked up right there


Servicemen getting killed in pursuit of endless military adventurism? Yeah, that's 37 flavors of farked up right there.
 
2013-10-11 11:12:34 PM

MrHappyRotter: This is just like those guys on Craigslist M4M that advertise as being in shape and have photos of their huge dicks and then you meet up with them in the Walmart bathroom and they end up being fat, frumpy old men with tiny cocks.  Sure, you're still gonna suck them off, but it's an awful trespass of trust.  I'm talking to you Mastedong1024.


How you doin?
 
2013-10-11 11:13:13 PM
I don't understand what's going on here.  Are they just saluting empty coffins being carried off a static airplane?  WTF for?  I'm guessing they tape it and send it to the family and that's an issue because the family thinks they are actually seeing a coffin that contains their long lost loved ones nearly petrified flesh and in fact they are just empty boxes and these are arrival ceremonies and jesus christ I have no idea what is really happening here and what is expected that must be different from what is happening because people be like concerned and turd?
 
2013-10-11 11:22:37 PM

maram500: Having friends and family who served in various branches of the military, I feel comfortable in saying the following:

For fark's sake, why the fark is this news? Why is this shocking? Let the families have some goddamned closure. Even if it's fake, at least the families aren't grieving in perpetuity because their loved one never "came home." If my brother went MIA in the sandbox, I'd for damned sure rather a faked arrival ceremony than to wonder forever if he was alive.

Having said all that, maybe--just maybe--there could be a better solution...but I'll be damned if I can think of one.


WTF? This is a non issue. I dont understand. As someone who has multible family members in multiple branches of the armed forces. Its a ceremony. I would be happy the military acknowledged my family member. My great great grandfather was a navigator on an recon aircraft shot down over Russia during the 50's. Where is our ceremony?
 
2013-10-11 11:23:41 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Oh for fark's sake, can't we let the families have a little peace and dignity?  This isn't an expose, it's a hit piece.


YES.  A million times, yes.
 
2013-10-11 11:23:42 PM
And here I was just hoping that the government had finally found s good way to get all the whale oil from the moon to the earth to solve the energy crisis.
I'd also have accepted helium 3 deposits being harvested but then we'd have to deal with space Nazis...
 
2013-10-11 11:25:32 PM

aerojockey: Call me crazy, but I'm a little more upset over the fact that identification costs a million dollars, these people $80 million a year, and there's a backlog of 11 years.  I seriously doubt this couldn't be done for a tenth of the money and five times as fast.


Cheaper? maybe. Faster? Unless I have been mislead, I am pretty sure DNA checking takes longer than on Star Trek or Futurama.
 
2013-10-11 11:27:13 PM

trappedspirit: I don't understand what's going on here.  Are they just saluting empty coffins being carried off a static airplane?  WTF for?  I'm guessing they tape it and send it to the family and that's an issue because the family thinks they are actually seeing a coffin that contains their long lost loved ones nearly petrified flesh and in fact they are just empty boxes and these are arrival ceremonies and jesus christ I have no idea what is really happening here and what is expected that must be different from what is happening because people be like concerned and turd?


The coffins weren't empty - they did contain the soldiers, it's just that the soldiers weren't "arriving", as they may have been there for some time while they were properly identified. So basically its not worth worrying about.
 
2013-10-11 11:27:34 PM
Its a ceremony. Its ceremonial. Thats the point.
 
2013-10-11 11:29:47 PM

trappedspirit: I don't understand what's going on here.  Are they just saluting empty coffins being carried off a static airplane?  WTF for?  I'm guessing they tape it and send it to the family and that's an issue because the family thinks they are actually seeing a coffin that contains their long lost loved ones nearly petrified flesh and in fact they are just empty boxes and these are arrival ceremonies and jesus christ I have no idea what is really happening here and what is expected that must be different from what is happening because people be like concerned and turd?


No, the remains are in the casket.  Since the real world isn't like CSI and you can't get DNA/dental record results in the same amount of time it takes to order a coffee at Dunkin' Donuts, they don't know who's remains they have when they get them from whatever shiathole piece of jungle they dug them out of.  It takes months or years to figure out stuff like that.  So, once they do, the military likes to try to give the families and the deceased service member the ceremony they would have gotten if their body had been recovered, rather than abandoned in a rice paddy in Korea or Vietnam because when the company got hit, they didn't have time to grab the guy who got blown away, and when they finally got back, he had sunken too deep into the mud to find.  They truck whatever remains they have identified over to a cargo plane that's down for maintenance, load them up in a nice flag draped coffin, and walk them off the plane.  It's an attempt to give some poor bastard who got killed for his country a little dignity, rather than saying, "here, we found a jaw bone and his femur, they're in this small case, enjoy".  I don't have a problem with this.  I think it's a nice gesture.  And since you probably had the plane around anyway, and the honor guard of troops, you might as well.
 
2013-10-11 11:30:50 PM

PhDemented: impaler: Considering I thought they were going to say, "but it turns out the coffins were empty," I can't find this too outrageous.

Same... thinking when I clicked the link "they're just pretending to have found bodies to trick the families?"... Military likes its pomp and circumstance, them doing a ceremony after doing tests to ID the remains doesn't really rank high on my "this is an outrage" meter.


I concur and thought the same when I started to read the article that it would be a slurry of phony corpses.
 
2013-10-11 11:32:44 PM

aerojockey: Call me crazy, but I'm a little more upset over the fact that identification costs a million dollars, these people $80 million a year, and there's a backlog of 11 years.  I seriously doubt this couldn't be done for a tenth of the money and five times as fast.


Probably. But this is the military, they don't do anything cheaply. If they did it for less money they'd just get their budget cut next year.
 
2013-10-11 11:34:10 PM
Remember, government only lies about the little things.

Never the big things. Never the things that really matter.
 
2013-10-11 11:35:13 PM
I hope they also understand, That when they where declared dead. The burred an empty coffin. Or a coffin with just a uniform in it. Someone just needed to write an article to fill there staff writer requirements. And could not think of anything else.
 
2013-10-11 11:36:41 PM

fusillade762: aerojockey: Call me crazy, but I'm a little more upset over the fact that identification costs a million dollars, these people $80 million a year, and there's a backlog of 11 years.  I seriously doubt this couldn't be done for a tenth of the money and five times as fast.

Probably. But this is the military, they don't do anything cheaply. If they did it for less money they'd just get their budget cut next year.


I'm guessing that the 80 million is their entire budget.  It probably includes things like flights to and from Vietnam or some tiny Pacific island, hotel roooms for investigators, paying the locals that found the body, getting the body flown back to their center, plus all the tests they have to run, notification of families, salaries for staff, ect...
 
2013-10-11 11:40:33 PM

FrancoFile: I worked with a guy who's father was a forensic dentist.  Every year he had to make a couple 3-week field trips to SE Asia to work on bodies in situ.  Real life is not CSI - it takes a long time to figure these things out.


Exactly, I worked in the lab on a 1800's cemetery in Delaware. If there is no funding the remains go unidentified.

One of the more interesting burials there was a Civil war vet with a wooden leg. He was never identified, but got interred at a new cemetery with a military burial hosted by the VFW...

I don't really see a problem with this.
 
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